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Post by anxiousmom on Sept 24, 2014 19:29:22 GMT
You claim to be willing to place blame on other administrations. But your words seem clear to me that you only blame GWB for Iraq. GWB invaded Iraq. WJC failed to take care of Bin Laden. RR helped build OBL in the 80's into the monster we dealt with in the late 90's and into the new century. Many factors go into Iraq being what it is today. It's not just GWB that "set up this current situation". The situation was "set up" long before he was even the Governor of Texas. Me?? You misunderstand, I don't blame President Bush or Obama, any more than I blame any previous administration. Middle Eastern politics is MUCH too complicated to lay the blame at any one administration's feet. I have a history degree. One of the interesting things I learned throughout the time I was in school is that there is rarely a single event or person that is responsible-it is an accumulation of events over time that generally leads down the path to war. I would guess that pretty much every administration since Jefferson (I think) sent the US Marines to fight in the First Barbary War could be responsible in a way-like death by a thousand cuts. The seeds were planted long before the current, or previous administration.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 19:30:23 GMT
This and being "Anti Common Core" are the latest of the Tea Party, AFP, 9/12'ers (or whatever the Koch Brothers funded groups call themselves these days) rants. All are a diversion whilst we have record high prices for gasoline. And the Koch Brothers are in the oil refinery business. Follow the money.... "Sheep, mere sheep." I have no idea what "AFP" 9/12'ers" is...but allrightythen.
I've never expressed any interest in all on common core and I've specifically stated that I will never support a candidate who has been backed by the Tea Party.
But if throwing out all of this makes you feel better, and makes my opinion, even if you don't agree with it, any less valid...have at it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 19:32:44 GMT
You claim to be willing to place blame on other administrations. But your words seem clear to me that you only blame GWB for Iraq. GWB invaded Iraq. WJC failed to take care of Bin Laden. RR helped build OBL in the 80's into the monster we dealt with in the late 90's and into the new century. Many factors go into Iraq being what it is today. It's not just GWB that "set up this current situation". The situation was "set up" long before he was even the Governor of Texas. Me?? You misunderstand, I don't blame President Bush or Obama, any more than I blame any previous administration. Middle Eastern politics is MUCH too complicated to lay the blame at any one administration's feet. I have a history degree. One of the interesting things I learned throughout the time I was in school is that there is rarely a single event or person that is responsible-it is an accumulation of events over time that generally leads down the path to war. I would guess that pretty much every administration since Jefferson (I think) sent the US Marines to fight in the First Barbary War could be responsible in a way-like death by a thousand cuts. The seeds were planted long before the current, or previous administration. My "argument" in regards to only blaming the former administration was directed to Melly...but I know sometimes with all the quoting, it's difficult to tell what you're really referencing.
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Post by mellyw on Sept 24, 2014 19:38:45 GMT
You claim to be willing to place blame on other administrations. But your words seem clear to me that you only blame GWB for Iraq. GWB invaded Iraq. WJC failed to take care of Bin Laden. RR helped build OBL in the 80's into the monster we dealt with in the late 90's and into the new century. Many factors go into Iraq being what it is today. It's not just GWB that "set up this current situation". The situation was "set up" long before he was even the Governor of Texas. I do blame GWB, or more likely, Dick Cheney, for invading & de-stabilizing Iraq. Mostly because, they were the Administration who cooked up false info & invaded. Other Administrations had a hand in what Iraq became, but GWB invaded on false info. No need to give me a history lesson, I'm well aware of everything you just wrote. It's a long twisted story of dealing with one devil to quell another. I'm not commenting based on party lines, which it seems you want to accuse me of. They all f*cked up in one way or another. Now we get to deal with the consequences, some of us in more personal ways than others.
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Post by mellyw on Sept 24, 2014 19:41:29 GMT
This and being "Anti Common Core" are the latest of the Tea Party, AFP, 9/12'ers (or whatever the Koch Brothers funded groups call themselves these days) rants. All are a diversion whilst we have record high prices for gasoline. And the Koch Brothers are in the oil refinery business. Follow the money.... "Sheep, mere sheep." O.K, maybe my brain isn't working but I don't understand what you are saying here. I'd love to know though, if you wouldn't mind breaking it down.
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Post by anxiousmom on Sept 24, 2014 19:49:46 GMT
My "argument" in regards to only blaming the former administration was directed to Melly...but I know sometimes with all the quoting, it's difficult to tell what you're really referencing.
It sure is, isn't it?? And I am sure I don't help, I do ask a lot of questions and sometimes the intent behind questions can misunderstood so easily.
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Post by I-95 on Sept 24, 2014 20:08:23 GMT
Stop making me rip my hair out!!!! That report has NEVER been released so you haven't got a clue what it said, or didn't say. If the contents of that report don't come from sources that are named and verified, then they aren't worth a hill of beans. You want Bergdahl to be a bad guy, but absolutely NOTHING you have said proves it. Let's look at a hypothetical situation...one of your neighbors comes to you and says she KNOWS your DH is having an affair with the blonde bimbo down the street. You ask her how she knows and she says some other people told her about it. You ask who these people are and she won't say. You ask around and a couple of people say they saw your DH walking your dog at the same time the bimbo was walking her dog, and they 'think' he might have been actually talking to her. You know that your DH has been depressed lately...midlife crisis, job pressures, financial concerns etc. You ask DH if he's having an affair with the bimbo and he says no. Do you conclude he's a liar, believe the neighbors, whom you are pretty sure don't like your DH anyway but they're righteous people as far as you can tell. Based on their information, do you pack up his stuff, toss it on the curb, file for divorce and change the locks on the doors.....or do you consider what the neighbors say as maybe having some truth, hire a PI to follow your DH, start checking his cell phone for numbers you don't know....in other words, do a full investigation before you conclude that your DH is a total loser and should be kicked to the curb? Because based on the way you want to convict Bergdahl, your DH is in a world of trouble
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 20:20:30 GMT
It's unfortunate that the report will never be released. If you don't believe the content of the report, do you believe that it was concluded in 2010?
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Post by I-95 on Sept 24, 2014 20:30:48 GMT
It's unfortunate that the report will never be released. If you don't believe the content of the report, do you believe that it was concluded in 2010? LOL. Are you checking my paranoid quotient? OK, I believe they concluded a report in 2010, but since I have no idea of what the conclusions were, I have no basis to believe, or disbelieve the contents....nor does anyone else. There are thousands, probably hundreds of thousands, of government reports that are classified. Some get released through the Freedom of Information Act, some never see the light of day. In the grand scheme of things, I don't think this particular report is all that important. Whatever investigation is going on now will probably duplicate the information in that report anyway....and you don't know whether that report will ever get released either. You make such definitive statements over stuff you have no knowledge of....c'mon, you're smarter than that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 20:32:11 GMT
It will be interesting to see, if when a Republican is POTUS (don't we need a reasonable candidate first? LOL) if the same people who are very patient in waiting for exact names, and the release of reports, will be as patient with such vagueness when a multitude of news agencies report their stories.
I remember the GWB years very well and somehow, he was lambasted on a daily basis on much less "reporting" than what we see today.
JMO.
Leaving now to pick up DS from school...stopping to get pizza and a salad on the way home. Yum!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 20:34:32 GMT
It was really a simple question, I-95...so you DO believe the report was concluded in 2010.
With that said, IF the report was "concluded" in 2010, why the need for further extensions into this investigation? Extending an investigation that has already been "concluded".
I know they didn't have Bergdahl's words in their 2010 report...so just how long does it take to get his side of the story?
Why the delay with no end in sight?
leaving now...for reals. LOL
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 24, 2014 21:44:23 GMT
Errant Thoughts on a Thread: 1. At the time, members of "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" were cited as compelling, believable comrades. 2. Whoever said it: I enjoyed the word "quell." (I'm too lazy to look, but I hope it was said by a conservative, so I will appear evenhanded in my errant-ness.)
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Post by mellyw on Sept 24, 2014 21:58:45 GMT
Errant Thoughts on a Thread: 1. At the time, members of "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" were cited as compelling, believable comrades. 2. Whoever said it: I enjoyed the word "quell." (I'm too lazy to look, but I hope it was said by a conservative, so I will appear evenhanded in my errant-ness.) That was me. I don't consider myself anything anymore, my voting record is all over the place. I vote for who I think will do a decent job regardless of D or R or I. I'd say Independant, but I do like my vote to be worth something & it's hard to be elected outside the 2 major parties. So there you go. Shoudn't have said that about the girl with the Political Science degree. I can go on forever about not having a good choice anymore, but I'll stop now. Maybe we should start a new party. The Decent F*cking Candidate Party. Bet we could come up with some catchy slogans! First pledge of this party, no political calls during dinner time.
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Post by I-95 on Sept 25, 2014 0:01:35 GMT
It was really a simple question, I-95...so you DO believe the report was concluded in 2010. With that said, IF the report was "concluded" in 2010, why the need for further extensions into this investigation? Extending an investigation that has already been "concluded". I know they didn't have Bergdahl's words in their 2010 report...so just how long does it take to get his side of the story? Why the delay with no end in sight? leaving now...for reals. LOL Well, you pretty much answered your own question. They concluded a report in 2010, based on the information they had at the time. This is another day and another time. I would imagine, just like in a cold case investigation, they will go back and re-interview the same people they interviewed for the first report....who knows, folks may have changed their stories, which would require further investigation. They have to actually investigate anything Bergdahl says, they won't just go 'Oh good, well, that's how it was, cased closed'. I would imagine they have to find people, interview them, corroborate their stories but interviewing other people. All that stuff takes time. As someone said earlier, criminal cases can take 5 years or more before they come to trail, civil cases even longer, I'm not sure why this one should be expected to get wrapped up in a few months.
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Post by I-95 on Sept 25, 2014 0:06:38 GMT
I don't think you give some of us enough credit. For me this isn't about politics, it's about what's legal, and what's right. I'd feel the same way even if it was a Republican administration.
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