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Post by dudleypippen on Oct 18, 2018 16:52:36 GMT
Cytotec has an FDA indication for stomach ulcers. The work around I’ve used when local pharmacists wouldn’t dispense is to write the prescription as if it is for that reason, then provide the woman with detailed instructions about how to take it to induce bleeding for a missed miscarriage (pregnancy is not viable but body has not started the process or has incompletely gone through the process). It’s completely ridiculous that that’s even necessary.
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Post by malibou on Oct 18, 2018 18:17:10 GMT
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Post by eleezybeth on Oct 18, 2018 18:58:40 GMT
I agree - but if he is anti-abortion she wasn't there for an abortion. This had NOTHING to do with abortion. His stance is invalid. His argument that his conscience is preventing dispensing is null. A miscarriage is also called a “spontaneous abortion”. Yes, yes, of course, but I won't be splitting medical hairs. He is a Dr. of Pharmacy. He knows that the word "spontaneous abortion" is a miscarriage. He ain't that dumb. He wasn't denying her the medication because she was "spontaneously aborting." I refuse to give him grace. He said he didn't trust her to know if she was miscarrying or having an abortion. He would not believe her. He obviously knows the difference and if he doesn't he needs to read some journal articles. Imagine having to be mansplained that you are miscarrying?? DAFUQ? Having had a couple... no. And to not give her back the prescription- is this some law I am unaware of? Cause now you are messing with my health and I have a problem with that.
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Post by dillydally on Oct 18, 2018 19:20:41 GMT
That just makes me sad. I had a miscarriage almost 19 years ago and I still remember being surprised at just how heart-broken dh & I were. The contraction pain was worse than when I gave birth to our daughter and to know there was no baby at the end of that pain was just devastating. I can't imagine having someone question me (and my Dr) in the midst of that.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 18, 2018 19:56:33 GMT
Stupid question here, I googled but couldn’t find any instances, is it ever a female pharmacist refusing prescriptions during a miscarriage?
Not that it should make a difference, but the instances I’ve heard of it’s been men. Just curious.
Might be me because I’m just annoyed at this point.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 18, 2018 19:58:50 GMT
Stupid question here, I googled but couldn’t find any instances, is it ever a female pharmacist refusing prescriptions during a miscarriage? Not that it should make a difference, but the instances I’ve heard of it’s been men. Just curious. IIRC, the instance that happened somewhere here in the Phx area was a man. w as a woman. but I could be wrong. (I was wrong; it WAS a male pharmacist.) <iframe width="22.680000000000064" height="4.180000000000007" style="position: absolute; width: 22.680000000000064px; height: 4.180000000000007px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_75165440" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="22.680000000000064" height="4.180000000000007" style="position: absolute; width: 22.68px; height: 4.18px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1075px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_67922171" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="22.680000000000064" height="4.180000000000007" style="position: absolute; width: 22.68px; height: 4.18px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 148px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_53381417" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="22.680000000000064" height="4.180000000000007" style="position: absolute; width: 22.68px; height: 4.18px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1075px; top: 148px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_90941953" scrolling="no"></iframe>
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Post by melissa on Oct 18, 2018 20:03:35 GMT
These "health care providers," a label that covers everyone in healthcare, need to stay in their own lane. Period.
As already said several times here and as should be known by anyone in the actual field of prescribing, the term abortion does not only mean elective termination of pregnancy.
That said, by refusing to prescribe the drug, he could be forcing the patient into a surgical procedure with it's own set of risks. If, perhaps, she were to develop infertility from needing a surgical procedure for her missed abortion, I would want to sue the freaking pants off him.
Stay in your own lane!!!
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Post by hop2 on Oct 18, 2018 20:05:54 GMT
A miscarriage is also called a “spontaneous abortion”. Yes, yes, of course, but I won't be splitting medical hairs. He is a Dr. of Pharmacy. He knows that the word "spontaneous abortion" is a miscarriage. He ain't that dumb. He wasn't denying her the medication because she was "spontaneously aborting." I refuse to give him grace. He said he didn't trust her to know if she was miscarrying or having an abortion. He would not believe her. He obviously knows the difference and if he doesn't he needs to read some journal articles. Imagine having to be mansplained that you are miscarrying?? DAFUQ? Having had a couple... no. And to not give her back the prescription- is this some law I am unaware of? Cause now you are messing with my health and I have a problem with that. Frankly I’m tired of any man mansplaining anything about my body to ‘me’ They feel free telling women what We should do, when we should do it and how We should feel about it. They feel free telling women that ‘we really wanted it’ and that ‘awww come on slapping your ass is not sexual assault’ They feel free telling women that they should prolong a potentially harmful medical problem ( miscarriage ) just because it hurts their sensibilities. I’m in a mood today, I know it, ill own it. But I am so sick and tired of men mansplaining, deciding, dictating, insisting & legislating what I can do with myself. I’d like to see law or two about what they should do with their penises and see how they like it. Deny viagra and not give the script back and see how that flies.
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Post by Lexica on Oct 18, 2018 20:14:25 GMT
I am disgusted that thea no been a formal complaint filed against this pharmacist. I wonder if he is still employed at Meijer? The Meijer spokesperson stated their policy is to pass on the prescription to a pharmacist who does not have a moral objection, and their pharmacist clearly did not do that. And he had no right to make this woman feel guilty or to discuss the situation with her mother.
I hope we get to know how this was handled. I feel the pharmacist needs to write a letter of apology to Mrs. Peterson in addition to whatever disciplinary action is taken by his employer. And there absolutely needs to be a formal complaint filed against him with LARA. The poor woman is dealing with the loss of twin babies and certainly doesn’t need any lecture from someone who has no knowledge of the circumstances surrounding her situation. If a licensed doctor writes a prescription that the pharmacist takes issue with, he should contact the doctor, not just make a decision and refuse to fill or forward the prescription.
This really pisses me off!
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Post by tara on Oct 18, 2018 21:51:59 GMT
My baby died at 12 weeks. I couldn’t get a d&c for a couple of days due to my doctors schedule. To be pregnant with a baby you know is already dead is something I wouldn’t wish on my worse enemy. It was the worse thing I’ve ever been through. My heart goes out to this woman and this “pharmacist “ needs to lose his job.
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Post by cawoman on Oct 18, 2018 23:07:04 GMT
This incident makes me sick. And I find it disturbing they have a policy in place of what to do should the pharmacist have a moral objection. He should have a career where he has no contact with other humans. Pompous ass.
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Post by brina on Oct 18, 2018 23:17:42 GMT
Yes, yes, of course, but I won't be splitting medical hairs. He is a Dr. of Pharmacy. He knows that the word "spontaneous abortion" is a miscarriage. He ain't that dumb. He wasn't denying her the medication because she was "spontaneously aborting." I refuse to give him grace. He said he didn't trust her to know if she was miscarrying or having an abortion. He would not believe her. He obviously knows the difference and if he doesn't he needs to read some journal articles. Imagine having to be mansplained that you are miscarrying?? DAFUQ? Having had a couple... no. And to not give her back the prescription- is this some law I am unaware of? Cause now you are messing with my health and I have a problem with that. Frankly I’m tired of any man mansplaining anything about my body to ‘me’ They feel free telling women what We should do, when we should do it and how We should feel about it. They feel free telling women that ‘we really wanted it’ and that ‘awww come on slapping your ass is not sexual assault’ They feel free telling women that they should prolong a potentially harmful medical problem ( miscarriage ) just because it hurts their sensibilities. I’m in a mood today, I know it, ill own it. But I am so sick and tired of men mansplaining, deciding, dictating, insisting & legislating what I can do with myself. I’d like to see law or two about what they should do with their penises and see how they like it. Deny viagra and not give the script back and see how that flies.If God wanted your dick to work it would.
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Post by alexa11 on Oct 18, 2018 23:46:17 GMT
I just saw this on the news tonight. The police would've had to carry me out because I would've been raising hell and everyone in the store would've heard. That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard lately. They did say he hasn't worked since July, but I don't know if they fired his idiot ass.
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Post by tincin on Oct 18, 2018 23:50:20 GMT
I am disgusted that thea no been a formal complaint filed against this pharmacist. I wonder if he is still employed at Meijer? The Meijer spokesperson stated their policy is to pass on the prescription to a pharmacist who does not have a moral objection, and their pharmacist clearly did not do that. And he had no right to make this woman feel guilty or to discuss the situation with her mother. I hope we get to know how this was handled. I feel the pharmacist needs to write a letter of apology to Mrs. Peterson in addition to whatever disciplinary action is taken by his employer. And there absolutely needs to be a formal complaint filed against him with LARA. The poor woman is dealing with the loss of twin babies and certainly doesn’t need any lecture from someone who has no knowledge of the circumstances surrounding her situation. If a licensed doctor writes a prescription that the pharmacist takes issue with, he should contact the doctor, not just make a decision and refuse to fill or forward the prescription. This really pisses me off! He no longer works for Meijer. I know this because Meijer had a Facebook post promoting their flu shots. I commented that I wondered if any of their pharmacists had religious objections to administering flu shots because I didn’t want to go all the way there and have their pharmacist’s religious beliefs keep me from getting it. They replied that he no longer works for them.
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Post by johnnysmom on Oct 19, 2018 1:01:16 GMT
Oh that poor woman, I know the pain of a missed miscarriage but I can’t imagine her having to deal with this idiot in addition to that and not being able to start the process to complete the miscarriage 😢
My situation resulted in a d&c but I’m almost positive I had a script for this med after the procedure to help my uterus contract down or something (it’s been 10 years while i vividly remember most of that period the rx info escapes me). If I’m right then for all that pharmacist knows the woman may no longer be pregnant anyhow.
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Post by laureljean on Oct 19, 2018 1:20:33 GMT
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Post by melissa on Oct 19, 2018 10:24:53 GMT
situation resulted in a d&c but I’m almost positive I had a script for this med after the procedure to help my uterus contract down or something (it’s been 10 years while i vividly remember most of that period the rx info escapes me). If I’m right then for all that pharmacist knows the woman may no longer be pregnant anyhow. That would have been a different medication. You were most likely prescribed methergine to help the uterus contract. Cytotec is probably what she was prescribed and acts differently. You would not give it after the contents of the uterus had been emptied (either surgically or naturally). We can also use it to ripen the cervix for labor. It's a really handy medication in ob/gyn even if it is all off-label use. There are many studies showing how effective it is. I believe the manufacturer would have to seek the FDA indication and it's probably not worth the liability issues to them to do so.
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Post by birukitty on Oct 20, 2018 5:57:12 GMT
He also discussed the situation w/the patient's mother when she called the pharmacy to get the pharmacist's name. Discussing a patient's medications w/a person other than the patient or the doc, without consent of the patient, is a violation of Michigan law according to the letter at the link. Isn't it also a violation of the HIPPA rules? If I were this woman and he did break these rules along with everything else he did I'd sue the bastard. I'm livid about this situation and agree with the rest of you. It's one thing to not fill the prescription on religious grounds, but he should have immediately had another pharmacist in the store fill it or if that wasn't possible transfer it to another store WITHOUT saying a word of judgement to this poor woman other than "I'm sorry I can't fill it here, but I've transferred it to ..." If she asked why all he should have said to her was that they were out of stock. Those should be the rules. No one needs to hear why a pharmacist is unable to fill a prescription based on religious grounds. In my opinion this shouldn't even be allowed. If it matters that much to a pharmacist than that person should find another career.
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