sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Oct 27, 2018 20:36:04 GMT
You are all kinds of fucked up and lack basic comprehension skills. You are an example of what is wrong with society and how we got where we are right now. #isupportdomesticterrorism #blamethevictims #gunsforeveryone If you can’t see the difference, get some help. If she hadn't of worn a short skirt, she wouldn't have been raped. If she hadn't of been drunk, she wouldn't have been assaulted. If he hadn't of been alone, he wouldn't have been robbed and shot. I don't see any difference at all. Its reprehensible that you're even defending it, from the President. Its indefensible. People should be able to go to any place of religion to worship, free from fear of being shot, simply because they are there. I just heard the news. How heartbreakingly tragic.
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Post by sassyangel on Oct 27, 2018 20:37:59 GMT
What is a Bris? Would someone mind explaining?
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Post by mnmloveli on Oct 27, 2018 20:40:08 GMT
If you can’t see the difference, get some help. If she hadn't of worn a short skirt, she wouldn't have been raped. If she hadn't of been drunk, she wouldn't have been assaulted. If he hadn't of been alone, he wouldn't have been robbed and shot. I don't see any difference at all. Its reprehensible that you're even defending it, from the President. Its indefensible. People should be able to go to any place of religion to worship, free from fear of being shot, simply because they are there. I just heard the news. How heartbreakingly tragic. Seriously not the time or place for this. Quit defending guns and hate speech. Another person just reported they believe several children died. Children. Let that sink in. This is incredibly tragic. Amen
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Post by peano on Oct 27, 2018 20:40:41 GMT
Sending prayers to the survivors, their families, the community, & our country. Until we as a society respect others, I fear violence/tragedies will continue. “Until we as a society RESPECT others, I fear violence/tragedies will continue” So so true ! So perhaps you’d like to actually LIVE your avowal. You would do that by not meandering onto a thread where people are experiencing outrage and grief at yet ANOTHER mass shooting, and spouting off your gun-loving platitudes. Instead, if you feel compelled to utter anything along the lines of “Chicago”, “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” or “the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun” I would encourage you to attend, say a rally of the NRA, which is full of your type of people. I know I would really be appreciative and it would give your statement so much more credibility.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 27, 2018 20:41:05 GMT
What is a Bris? Would someone mind explaining? It’s a Jewish ceremony where the rabbi circumcises the baby boy. My family doesn’t do it that way. Our boys get circumcised in the hospital. But at least I can say the words. I noticed our president referred to it as a baby naming.
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Oct 27, 2018 20:46:25 GMT
If she hadn't of worn a short skirt, she wouldn't have been raped. If she hadn't of been drunk, she wouldn't have been assaulted. If he hadn't of been alone, he wouldn't have been robbed and shot. I don't see any difference at all. Its reprehensible that you're even defending it, from the President. Its indefensible. People should be able to go to any place of religion to worship, free from fear of being shot, simply because they are there. I just heard the news. How heartbreakingly tragic. Seriously not the time or place for this. Quit defending guns and hate speech. Another person just reported they believe several children died. Children. Let that sink in. This is incredibly tragic. Amen How nice. NOW you take the moral high ground. *eyeroll*
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Post by sassyangel on Oct 27, 2018 20:50:53 GMT
What is a Bris? Would someone mind explaining? It’s a Jewish ceremony where the rabbi circumcises the baby boy. My family doesn’t do it that way. Our boys get circumcised in the hospital. But at least I can say the words. I noticed our president referred to it as a baby naming. Thank you. I saw that and wondered if that was correct. I guess I could have googled, but I figured one of the peas would likely be able to add additional context to it. Does whether the Rabbi does it or its done at the hospital depend on type of Jewish faith of the family? Or is it a personal choice?
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Post by mnmloveli on Oct 27, 2018 20:52:32 GMT
“Until we as a society RESPECT others, I fear violence/tragedies will continue” So so true ! So perhaps you’d like to actually LIVE your avowal. You would do that by not meandering onto a thread where people are experiencing outrage and grief at yet ANOTHER mass shooting, and spouting off your gun-loving platitudes. Instead, if you feel compelled to utter anything along the lines of “Chicago”, “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” or “the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun” I would encourage you to attend, say a rally of the NRA, which is full of your type of people. I know I would really be appreciative and it would give your statement so much more credibility. Seriously not the time or place for this. Quit defending guns and hate speech. Another person just reported they believe several children died. Children. Let that sink in. This is incredibly tragic. Amen
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Post by Rainbow on Oct 27, 2018 20:54:07 GMT
No he didn’t blame them. He said it would help if we could have armed guards in more places like churches and schools. BIG DIFFERENCE !! But WHY are victims being made to defend themselves in schools and places of worship where they should be SAFE?! These are sacred places. Why should we need to do this? Seriously? This is just nuts. It's like blaming a store owner that he didn't have a security guard on staff when the store was robbed. Just nuts. The same reason you have locks on your home. Criminals do not obey the law.
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Post by mnmloveli on Oct 27, 2018 20:54:21 GMT
How nice. NOW you take the moral high ground. *eyeroll* Amen
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Post by lucyg on Oct 27, 2018 20:59:04 GMT
It’s a Jewish ceremony where the rabbi circumcises the baby boy. My family doesn’t do it that way. Our boys get circumcised in the hospital. But at least I can say the words. I noticed our president referred to it as a baby naming. Thank you. I saw that and wondered if that was correct. I guess I could have googled, but I figured one of the peas would likely be able to add additional context to it. Does whether the Rabbi does it or its done at the hospital depend on type of Jewish faith of the family? Or is it a personal choice? I grew up in a very Reform Jewish family and community, in Northern California which is more removed from traditional Judaism than the Northeast U.S. No one I’m close to had a bris. I’ve never been to one. But I think they’re more common in other areas and traditions. On the other hand, I know of NO Jewish family ever that skipped circumcision completely. I’m sure they exist, especially since circumcision has come under attack in some circles in the past generation. But it is such an integral part of Judaism that I’ve never seen it happen.
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Post by Rainbow on Oct 27, 2018 21:00:27 GMT
No he didn’t blame them. He said it would help if we could have armed guards in more places like churches and schools. BIG DIFFERENCE !! It WOULD HELP A LOT MORE if we had some FUCKING SENSIBLE GUN LAWS!!!!!! Criminals DO NOT OBEY GUN LAWS.
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Post by birukitty on Oct 27, 2018 21:09:05 GMT
I am heartbroken to hear of this tragedy today. My prayers go out to the victims and their families.
Whatever your view on gun control VOTE in the upcoming mid term elections.
But keep this in mind when you go to vote: these mass shootings don't happen in any other developed first world country at this rate. In 2017 according to Gun Violence Advocate (a not for profit cooperation founded to provide free on line access to accurate information about gun related violence in the United States) there were 346 mass shootings. There are 364 days in a year. That's almost one mass shooting PER DAY with only 18 days of no shootings left! We only read about the most horrific or large ones in the news.
To this date in 2018 there have been 294 mass shootings including today's and we still have 65 days left until the end of the year. At this rate it could equal or pass last years record. My point is every single mass shooting results in people's lives that are lost. Innocent people. People who are in their place of worship, or at a concert, or at school, at the movies, at work, going about their daily lives. Our country has turned into a war zone. We know why this is happening. We know how to fix it. Australia fixed it in their country. We don't have to go as far as they did although I wish that we would. Even taking steps toward something like that would be a good start. Baby steps.
We have to get to a point where we agree that innocent human lives matter more than one person's want or desire to own an object. Basically that's what it boils down to. I'll leave you with this quote I read recently. I ask you to think not only of yourself and your wants, but think of the greater picture. Consider others too when you vote.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace" Jimi Hendrix
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 27, 2018 21:19:20 GMT
Seriously not the time or place for this. Quit defending guns and hate speech. Another person just reported they believe several children died. Children. Let that sink in. This is incredibly tragic. YOU ARE CORRECT ! I apologize for getting drawn into this thread by the frustrated Peas who turned this thread into something else. WE ALL know the names of the Peas who always take these sad threads in a different direction to meet their own hateful agenda. They should have started a separate thread marked “political”. God Bless all the killed and injured today and deliver strength to their families and friends. Peace If by hateful agenda, you mean an agenda in which innocent people are not killed by crackpots, then you win the prize. Seriously, why are you doing this? This guy is a nut-a white supremacist nut. Yes, yes, there are many, many crimes in big cities. There is a difference here though; this crackpot sought out and deliberately shot Jews. Why not denounce nuttery when you see it?
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Post by peano on Oct 27, 2018 21:25:46 GMT
It’s a Jewish ceremony where the rabbi circumcises the baby boy. My family doesn’t do it that way. Our boys get circumcised in the hospital. But at least I can say the words. I noticed our president referred to it as a baby naming. Thank you. I saw that and wondered if that was correct. I guess I could have googled, but I figured one of the peas would likely be able to add additional context to it. Does whether the Rabbi does it or its done at the hospital depend on type of Jewish faith of the family? Or is it a personal choice? Another extremely Reform Jew weighing in, who has also never been to a bris. The circumcision is done by a specially trained person called a mohel, and I would guess whether it’s done in a hospital or synagogue is related to the level of orthodoxy and size of the congregation. Where I grew up, our congregation was so small, we did not even have a permanent rabbi. Ours rotated from one small southern town to another. Others feel free to correct me.
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Oct 27, 2018 21:26:02 GMT
Thank you. I saw that and wondered if that was correct. I guess I could have googled, but I figured one of the peas would likely be able to add additional context to it. Does whether the Rabbi does it or its done at the hospital depend on type of Jewish faith of the family? Or is it a personal choice? I grew up in a very Reform Jewish family and community, in Northern California which is more removed from traditional Judaism than the Northeast U.S. No one I’m close to had a bris. I’ve never been to one. But I think they’re more common in other areas and traditions. On the other hand, I know of NO Jewish family ever that skipped circumcision completely. I’m sure they exist, especially since circumcision has come under attack in some circles in the past generation. But it is such an integral part of Judaism that I’ve never seen it happen. Okay, that makes sense, thanks. I only know a few Jewish people where I live currently, but I had a lot of Jewish friends back home and I found that to be true too. I don't know of any who skipped circumcision, either. Granted that was 15 years ago, but I can't imagine much has changed.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Oct 27, 2018 21:27:17 GMT
A Bris. A Bris. Baruch Ha-Ba. Blessed is the one who has arrived. Incomprehensible. Hatred and fear and mental feebleness are not incomprehensible. What is incomprehensible is enabling them. Agreed. Some facts (for all): -Six of ten guns recovered in Chicago came from states with much laxer gun laws. -Nine of ten guns recovered in New York City came states with much laxer gun laws. So yes, if the bad guys want guns bad enough, they absolutely will manage to find them somewhere. But those Somewheres are a mammoth part of the problem. The “iron pipelines.” Instead, we’ve got somebody here pointing fingers in every other direction willy-nilly: the permissive justice system, the indulgent comfy correctional system (?), the complacent media. And most of all, the industrious gangbangers. Tenacity is the problem! Don’t stop the flow; those guys will find them anyway. Wash our hands, right? “I am innocent of this man’s blood. See you to it.” Yeah, enable. ——————————- (And thank you to those who took up the mantle of resisting the ChicagoIsTheMostMurderous trope with facts, my old full-time job here. Honestly, the right-wing obsessive concern for the victims of Chicago gun violence (/s) has died down so dramatically since the departure of President Obama, that those who haven’t gotten the memo seem just tragically out of touch with their own own echo chamber.)
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Post by sabrinae on Oct 27, 2018 21:29:23 GMT
Seriously not the time or place for this. Quit defending guns and hate speech. Another person just reported they believe several children died. Children. Let that sink in. This is incredibly tragic. YOU ARE CORRECT ! I apologize for getting drawn into this thread by the frustrated Peas who turned this thread into something else. WE ALL know the names of the Peas who always take these sad threads in a different direction to meet their own hateful agenda. They should have started a separate thread marked “political”. God Bless all the killed and injured today and deliver strength to their families and friends. Peace Your lack of self awareness almost equals that of Trump.
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Post by sassyangel on Oct 27, 2018 21:43:54 GMT
Thank you. I saw that and wondered if that was correct. I guess I could have googled, but I figured one of the peas would likely be able to add additional context to it. Does whether the Rabbi does it or its done at the hospital depend on type of Jewish faith of the family? Or is it a personal choice? Another extremely Reform Jew weighing in, who has also never been to a bris. The circumcision is done by a specially trained person called a mohel, and I would guess whether it’s done in a hospital or synagogue is related to the level of orthodoxy and size of the congregation. Where I grew up, our congregation was so small, we did not even have a permanent rabbi. Ours rotated from one small southern town to another. Others feel free to correct me. Thank you, I appreciate when people take the time to educate me. I find I grasp things more when people explain stuff in layman's terms, especially when they include personal experiences.
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Post by elaine on Oct 27, 2018 21:48:06 GMT
Thank you. I saw that and wondered if that was correct. I guess I could have googled, but I figured one of the peas would likely be able to add additional context to it. Does whether the Rabbi does it or its done at the hospital depend on type of Jewish faith of the family? Or is it a personal choice? Another extremely Reform Jew weighing in, who has also never been to a bris. The circumcision is done by a specially trained person called a mohel, and I would guess whether it’s done in a hospital or synagogue is related to the level of orthodoxy and size of the congregation. Where I grew up, our congregation was so small, we did not even have a permanent rabbi. Ours rotated from one small southern town to another. Others feel free to correct me. Another Reform Jew here, we didn’t have a Bris for our first son (circumcised in the hospital) - we didn’t have a congregation that we regularly attended then - but we did with my second son. It was done at the synagogue we attended at that time. Our son’s pediatrician happened to also be a mohel, so he served that purpose for the ceremony. Ivanka and Jared had a Bris for their son - Trump skipped it.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 27, 2018 21:56:49 GMT
A white man screaming "The Jews must die!" killed at least 8 people and was taken in alive by police. Color me SHOCKED! So in the past few days, a bomber targeted multiple liberal leaders, two African-Americans were slaughtered just because they were black, and a man murdered people just because they were Jewish. Three acts of domestic terrorism within 5 days. Yet we need to be afraid of asylum-seekers and liberal mobs! This is absurd. Absolutely absurd. yeah, those liberals might interrupt your dinner to talk to you. The horror
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Post by paigepea on Oct 27, 2018 22:18:18 GMT
It’s a Jewish ceremony where the rabbi circumcises the baby boy. My family doesn’t do it that way. Our boys get circumcised in the hospital. But at least I can say the words. I noticed our president referred to it as a baby naming. Thank you. I saw that and wondered if that was correct. I guess I could have googled, but I figured one of the peas would likely be able to add additional context to it. Does whether the Rabbi does it or its done at the hospital depend on type of Jewish faith of the family? Or is it a personal choice? A ceremony that involves a circumcision, receiving a Hebrew name and other blessings by a mohel or Rabbi that involve being welcomed into the religion is a Bris, in the hospital they perform a circumcision. In our hospitals, no giving of Hebrew name / welcoming into Jewish religion is given. I don’t know what happens in other hospitals. A mohel does not need to be a doctor. For a girl, the ceremony is called a baby naming. This is when the same blessings and giving of a Hebrew name are done. Everything except the circumcision. That could be why trump uses the term baby naming.
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 27, 2018 22:18:50 GMT
Aside from being a virulent anti-semite, this is actually why the shooter went into this synagogue this morning. He blames the Jewish refugee resettlement services for encouraging the people in the caravans. These were his last 2 posts on twitter or Gab, I can't tell from the screen shot which one. I read it on NBC News as well: Bowers [the shooter] frequently posted about the “migrant caravan,” a group of several thousand refugees walking to the U.S.-Mexico border from Honduras to seek asylum. Preventing refugees in the caravan from entering the U.S. has been a major talking point among both right-wing commentators and President Donald Trump, who has spoken about it in recent pre-midterm election stump speeches. Bowers’ anti-Semitic posts and his apparent disdain for the caravan are tied to a viral image that appears to show refugees hopping onto the bed of a truck that had a Star of David visible on the side.
I'm just waiting now for somebody to tell me Trump's unhinged obsession with these migrants, threats to sic the military upon them, and vilification of them via tweets have no punitive effect.
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Post by paigepea on Oct 27, 2018 22:20:27 GMT
Our Rabbi knew little about the attack today when he gave his sermon because he had not had the opportunity to view news media. He’d only heard from congregants who had read what had happened. But he gave a very moving sermon and related it to the tragedy today. He also included mr Rogers, who I believe is from the same neighbourhood. Perhaps remembering the kindness and heartwarming feelings of mr Rogers are what we need right now.
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Post by elaine on Oct 27, 2018 22:24:19 GMT
FWIW, I didn’t start a thread about it at the time because no one was injured, but 19 swastikas were painted on our Jewish Community Center on October 6. It is a large well-attended JCC. www.cnn.com/2018/10/06/us/swastika-virginia-jewish-community-center/index.htmlIt is incomprehensible to me that some people aren’t willing to admit that the President’s hate-filled rhetoric has had a direct negative impact on the behavior of people willing and able to carry out acts of violence. Anti-Semitism is on the rise, and it certainly isn’t due to “both sides.”
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Post by georgiabeachbum on Oct 27, 2018 22:57:10 GMT
It WOULD HELP A LOT MORE if we had some FUCKING SENSIBLE GUN LAWS!!!!!! BAD/CRAZY people will always find a way to get a gun. Until we severely punish people who do the shootings, nothing will change. They get a slap on the wrist and 3 square meals a day; probably better than their regular life. Look at all the multiple shootings in Chicago almost every weekend. No media even talks about them. Laws AND consequences need to change. I completely agree with you. Several Peas brought up gun laws before you said anything
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Post by georgiabeachbum on Oct 27, 2018 23:01:06 GMT
BAD/CRAZY people will always find a way to get a gun. Until we severely punish people who do the shootings, nothing will change. They get a slap on the wrist and 3 square meals a day; probably better than their regular life. Look at all the multiple shootings in Chicago almost every weekend. No media even talks about them. Laws AND consequences need to change. I know abortion is not the subject here, but let's go with this analogy: "Women who get pregnant will always find ways to get abortions, so why should we outlaw them?" I can't stand this logic! The whole point for common sense gun reform is to make it HARDER for people to get guns, just like outlawing abortion is supposed to make it HARDER for women to get abortions. Also, that Chicago argument is bull. From this article: " Chicago’s seemingly intractable problem with gun violence is one of America’s fondest fascinations. It’s also a myth. Chicago has more gun murders than other large cities like New York and Los Angeles, thanks mostly to its long, unsecured border with North Alabamastan (sometimes called Indiana). However, Chicago’s murder rate still lags far behind the nation’s leaders, many of which are in red states with loose gun restrictions.
America’s capital of gun violence is in deep-red Louisiana. New Orleans suffers from four times the rate of gun murders as Chicago. Such terrifying urban hellscapes as Kansas City, Memphis and Atlanta all rack up much higher rates of gun violence than Chicago. Expand the inquiry beyond crime, to include accidental gun deaths and suicide, and Chicago simply recedes from the frame. The obvious conclusion also happens to be an empirical fact: states with high levels of gun ownership have higher levels of gun death. " Wow. It should be easy to get an abortion if a woman wants it. Gun laws should be comprehensive and should include a thorough background check, including mental health. And DH and I are gun owners, who gladly allowed fingerprints and background checks.
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Post by georgiabeachbum on Oct 27, 2018 23:02:50 GMT
Seriously not the time or place for this. Quit defending guns and hate speech. Another person just reported they believe several children died. Children. Let that sink in. This is incredibly tragic. I watched the news conference with the police chief, governor and FBI. They said no children were killed
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 27, 2018 23:05:39 GMT
Fucking Trump, on television, just blamed the congregation for the devastation because they didn’t have armed security at Shabbat services. Asshole. There were 3 armed policemen there at the time. They could not stop the murderer. Trumps a fucking idiot.
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Post by mnmloveli on Oct 27, 2018 23:11:14 GMT
YOU ARE CORRECT ! I apologize for getting drawn into this thread by the frustrated Peas who turned this thread into something else. WE ALL know the names of the Peas who always take these sad threads in a different direction to meet their own hateful agenda. They should have started a separate thread marked “political”. God Bless all the killed and injured today and deliver strength to their families and friends. Peace If by hateful agenda, you mean an agenda in which innocent people are not killed by crackpots, then you win the prize. Seriously, why are you doing this? This guy is a nut-a white supremacist nut. Yes, yes, there are many, many crimes in big cities. There is a difference here though; this crackpot sought out and deliberately shot Jews. Why not denounce nuttery when you see it? Seriously not the time or place for this. Quit defending guns and hate speech. Another person just reported they believe several children died. Children. Let that sink in. This is incredibly tragic. Amen
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