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Post by 950nancy on Nov 4, 2018 21:25:02 GMT
Me, too. I’ve always considered myself a liberal-leaning fiscal conservative, who registered and voted Republican my whole life. Couldn’t do it for Trump, and didn’t do it for a single Republican this time, either. I voted Republican because of the fiscal conservative side—but the current party has blown that out of the water while also trying to be as restrictive and socially backward as possible. I must say that my email inbox has been very interesting as I get “ Stop the crazy liberal Democrats!” and “Stop the Trump lackeys!” ones both. As a registered Republican, I’m being flooded with their scare tactic emails, and I’m also getting the Democratic ones begging for help because I contributed to Nelson’s campaign against Governor Voldemort (Rick Scott). I too keep getting mail and texts reminding me to vote. I kind of smile because I know I am not voting the way they want. I almost voted for the Republican AG candidate, but decided against it. I respond back to each and every one of their texts and emails. I think they should know why I left. Might not care, but if they see enough people change, it could help. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 21:33:46 GMT
How has Jerry Brown run California into the ground? And how is what trump doing better? High speed train to nowhere. Tunnels in the delta to take water to southern california. Just 2 things I can name off the top of my head. I don’t agree with his grand plan to ship water south. He tried that the first time he was governor. As for the high speed train, that is the future. And when you say to nowhere, funny thing about that. Here in Sonoma County they have the Smart Train that I was absolutely positive no one would ride because it didn’t solve the problem of a better commute to SF. It’s now been running a year from Santa Rosa to San Rafael and guess what, lots of people ride it. To have a high speed train from SF to LA makes sense to me. My guess is when they actually get running from SF to LA people will ride it and wonder why it wasn’t done sooner. . |
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Post by lucyg on Nov 4, 2018 21:37:04 GMT
I tend to agree with @fred on the bullet train. I know it’s bogged down, maybe worse, and people are annoyed by the whole thing ... but sooner or later it will be up and running and successful.
And I don’t think letting our infrastructure get further and further outdated is the answer to anything.
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Post by seaexplore on Nov 4, 2018 21:52:23 GMT
I tend to agree with @fred on the bullet train. I know it’s bogged down, maybe worse, and people are annoyed by the whole thing ... but sooner or later it will be up and running and successful. And I don’t think letting our infrastructure get further and further outdated is the answer to anything. So... you’re a no on 6? |
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Post by lucyg on Nov 4, 2018 21:54:15 GMT
I tend to agree with @fred on the bullet train. I know it’s bogged down, maybe worse, and people are annoyed by the whole thing ... but sooner or later it will be up and running and successful. And I don’t think letting our infrastructure get further and further outdated is the answer to anything. So... you’re a no on 6? Yes, ma’am.  |
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Post by seaexplore on Nov 4, 2018 21:55:36 GMT
High speed train to nowhere. Tunnels in the delta to take water to southern california. Just 2 things I can name off the top of my head. I don’t agree with his grand plan to ship water south. He tried that the first time he was governor. As for the high speed train, that is the future. And when you say to nowhere, funny thing about that. Here in Sonoma County they have the Smart Train that I was absolutely positive no one would ride because it didn’t solve the problem of a better commute to SF. It’s now been running a year from Santa Rosa to San Rafael and guess what, lots of people ride it. To have a high speed train from SF to LA makes sense to me. My guess is when they actually get running from SF to LA people will ride it and wonder why it wasn’t done sooner. . The train is being started in the Central Valley. Not sure how the hell it’s supposed to connect to SF. Are they planning to tie it into BART? It’s also WAYYYYYY over budget. So we face more and higher gas taxes and registration fees and whatever else they can pile on to get us to pay for. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 22:40:44 GMT
I don’t agree with his grand plan to ship water south. He tried that the first time he was governor. As for the high speed train, that is the future. And when you say to nowhere, funny thing about that. Here in Sonoma County they have the Smart Train that I was absolutely positive no one would ride because it didn’t solve the problem of a better commute to SF. It’s now been running a year from Santa Rosa to San Rafael and guess what, lots of people ride it. To have a high speed train from SF to LA makes sense to me. My guess is when they actually get running from SF to LA people will ride it and wonder why it wasn’t done sooner. . The train is being started in the Central Valley. Not sure how the hell it’s supposed to connect to SF. Are they planning to tie it into BART? It’s also WAYYYYYY over budget. So we face more and higher gas taxes and registration fees and whatever else they can pile on to get us to pay for. I seem to remember a lot of whinning when they were building BART. Now imagine the SF Bay Area if it didn’t exist. Building something as thing as big as the bullet train is bound to be messy. They probably should have started building it 25 years ago because the longer they wait to start projects like this ,the messier it becomes to get it done. But that doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be done. So we will disagree on this. I also voted no on prop 6. I believe in fixing our roads and bridges and I’m a strong supporter of mass transit. I also understand that if people vote yes they are either condemning the state to bad roads and unsafe bridges or money to fixe the infrastructure will have to come from someplace else like maybe schools. Certainly Brown’s rainy day fund will disappear. A rainy day fund that help pay the costs of the wildfires that tore through the state the last 2 years. In both Southern and Northern California. Also it doesn’t hurt the economy when the work on the infrastructure creates jobs. And fairly good paying jobs. Which means there is more disposable income to put into CA’s economy which we all benefit from. The big elephant in the room is affordable housing and it needs to be brought under control. You have a better chance with a Democrat then a Republican to come anywhere near resolving that issue. |
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Post by ntsf on Nov 4, 2018 23:42:25 GMT
yes!! no on 6... high speed train I believe will tie into caltrain.. could be wrong.. infrastructure is messy and expensive but makes life better for those without unlimited funds...
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Post by pyccku on Nov 5, 2018 0:54:17 GMT
Having travelled extensively in Europe over the summer, I wish we would get our act together with the trains. Knowing that we could pretty much go anywhere at a reasonable cost and time was great. My two kids who are legally blind love the ability to get around like everyone else, and my daughter who isn’t blind loved it as well. Yes, it costs money. Yes, it’s a hassle while being built. But once it’s done, it really does add to the quality of life.
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Post by lisae on Nov 5, 2018 1:16:13 GMT
Just saw a lengthy ad from former Republican NYC mayor Bloomberg urging people to vote Democrat on Tuesday.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 1:50:44 GMT
He’s right.
Benjamin Wittes...
“(1) We live in a two-party system.
(2) Trump is the leader of one of our two parties.
3) That party has not ousted him or controlled him. It is, in fact, organized chiefly to support him.
4) All of the internal party mechanisms to manage his demagoguery have failed.
5) Trump is a threat to the rule of law.
6) A party organized to support him and which has no internal mechanisms available to control his demagoguery is thus also a threat to the rule of law.
Hence, the Republican Party as currently constituted is a threat to the rule of law.
7) In a two-party system, the only remedy when one party is functioning as a threat to the rule of law is to vote for the other party.
(8) Punishing the Republican Party for several election cycles up and down the ballot in a fashion that will reverberate for decades is the single most important thing to do to protect democracy.
9) It is much more important than the Mueller investigation.
10) Because in the end, one way or another in a democracy, the people get what they want. If we vote for a party that wants what is currently happening in our politics, we will get it--because we will deserve it.“
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Post by refugeepea on Nov 7, 2018 6:52:55 GMT
Interesting discussion on NPR today "By portraying Congress as an institution of extremes — extreme rhetoric, extreme policie, extreme belligerence; a den of braggarts and brawlers; a place of sectional conflict waged by sectional champions—the press downplayed the appeal and even the possibility of compromise. Caught in the cross-fire with urgent decisions at hand, congressmen sided with their section more consistently and defiantly than ever before." But they also reached compromises. Senators Henry Clay, Daniel Webster and John C. Calhoun, particularly, made deals that kept the nation together … until it was torn apart in bloody conflict over the nation’s founding act of violence: slavery. Now, again, we’re in a time of harsh political rhetoric and occasional acts of political violence. Will compromise follow? We’ll talk to historians about violence and compromise to see whether the nation could ever have one without the other. the1a.org/shows/2018-11-06/bloody-political-battles |
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Post by hop2 on Nov 7, 2018 13:52:53 GMT
Mass transportation is the future. We are so far behind other places with mass transit it’s not funny. The new generation actually prefers mass transit when it’s available. Mass transit is an investment in the future.
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