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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 16:33:42 GMT
linkThis coukd turn out to be interesting if true. McClatchy “Cell signal puts Cohen outside Prague around time of purported Russian meeting”From the article.. “WASHINGTON A mobile phone traced to President Donald Trump’s former lawyer and “fixer” Michael Cohen briefly sent signals ricocheting off cell towers in the Prague area in late summer 2016, at the height of the presidential campaign, leaving an electronic record to support claims that Cohen met secretly there with Russian officials, four people with knowledge of the matter say. During the same period of late August or early September, electronic eavesdropping by an Eastern European intelligence agency picked up a conversation among Russians, one of whom remarked that Cohen was in Prague, two people familiar with the incident said. The phone and surveillance data, which have not previously been disclosed, lend new credence to a key part of a former British spy’s dossier of Kremlin intelligence describing purported coordination between Trump’s campaign and Russia’s election meddling operation. The dossier, which Trump has dismissed as “a pile of garbage,” said Cohen and one or more Kremlin officials huddled in or around the Czech capital to plot ways to limit discovery of the close “liaison” between the Trump campaign and Russia.”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 16:36:36 GMT
Mimi Rocah..
”As anyone in law enforcement will tell you - cell data like this doesn’t lie. So, if sources are correct this is hugely significant.”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 16:57:40 GMT
So some pissed off membet of their Parliament doesn't like the fact that he visited the troops, who cares. Didn't seem to violate their sovereignty when Bush or Obama went to Iraq but because it's Trump it suddenly becomes an issue. As with most things Trump, it’s more often how he goes about doing things other Presidents have done (usually like a bull in a china shop), than anything. 😏 Exactly! I think I'd be pissed off too if he had threatened my country in the way he did in his speech,all while standing on the very ground of that country saying it. Not all the people of Iraq believe what ISIS believe. Why can't he just zip his mouth up occasionally. He's just adding fuel to the fire. He still can't get the concept that ISIS is an ideology and not confined to the middle east
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 17:33:48 GMT
linkKyle Griffin.. ”Even as parts of the federal government grind to a halt, Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort still needs tents for the winter party season—and taxpayers are footing at least $54,000 of the bill, according to Government Executive.” I don’t remember the tax payers forking out $$$ for party tents for Presidents Clinton, Bush, or Obama. And yet, despite Congress saying no, trump is cutting those who receive SNAP benefits. A plan that will hurt the elderly, disabled and children the most. Just think of how many people could be fed with $54,000.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Dec 27, 2018 18:24:55 GMT
linkKyle Griffin.. ”Even as parts of the federal government grind to a halt, Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort still needs tents for the winter party season—and taxpayers are footing at least $54,000 of the bill, according to Government Executive.” I don’t remember the tax payers forking out $$$ for party tents for Presidents Clinton, Bush, or Obama. And yet, despite Congress saying no, trump is cutting those who receive SNAP benefits. A plan that will hurt the elderly, disabled and children the most. Just think of how many people could be fed with $54,000. What the ever loving fuck?! How is that legal? And why should we foot the bill for Trump's lavish lifestyle? I get that tents are sometimes used by secret service for protection uses, but I don't understand why they have to go all out at a Trump property.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Dec 27, 2018 18:46:43 GMT
I don’t want to derail the pillow thread, but for anyone on this thread who might be interested in the My Pillow read up on the founder. He’s a trumpster
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 18:57:30 GMT
Beto ArticleI’m getting a headache already about who the Democrats are going to put up against trump. There is this guy David Sirota who wrote this article about Beto O’Rourke. “Beto vs. Democrats: Texas Lawmaker Frequently Voted to Help Trump and GOP”In the article he did bring up Beto’s voting record and it could be problematic for him if he should decide to run for President. Because this guy David at some point worked for Bernie, he got slammed for the article. Then today I have been seeing stories that mainstream, corporate Democrats are attacking Bernie. Then there is the recent polls in Iowa where Joe Biden was at the top. See below for who landed where in this poll. Anyway someone pointed out we shouldn’t put too much stock in that poll and the one in New Hampshire because the the people polled were mostly white because these states are inhabited by a larger % of white folks then the rest of the country/states. And does not reflect the makeup of the Democratic Party. In other words Biden, Sanders, and Beto may not poll as high in CA as they did in Iowa and New Hampshire. “FIRST IOWA POLL by SELZER: BIDEN 32% SANDERS 19% BETO 11% WARREN 8% HARRIS 5% BOOKER 4% BLOOMBERG 3% KLOBUCHAR 3% DELANEY 1% SHERROD 1% CASTRO 1%” That somebody was Jay Kuo... “The top Dem candidates in the Iowa straw poll were white men. Here's part of why that is. So long as we allow predominantly small, rural states with largely white populations to have a disproportionate say over our primary election process, we cannot fix the problem.“ From US Census Bureau 2014. White population in NH 94% White population in IA 92.4% White population in US 77.4% To me ... Biden is out because of his age. Sanders is out because of his age and because he really is a socialist and this country will not elect a socialist, even running against trump, and if he was elected he would do as much damage to this country as trump. Beto is out if what he said about oil/gas in the article is true. Technology has given us the ability to move away from fossil fuels and as such we no longer need to open up new drilling sites. For the rest, time will tell. But it’s going to be a long two years.
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Post by freecharlie on Dec 27, 2018 19:38:56 GMT
I agree with Biden and Sanders being too old and Sanders being too extreme.
I do not agree that Beto is out just because of the oil and gas thing. Oil and gas us a huge industry in the United states and while it is better to go green in the long run, it isn't going to happen overnight
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 19:52:33 GMT
I agree with Biden and Sanders being too old and Sanders being too extreme. I do not agree that Beto is out just because of the oil and gas thing. Oil and gas us a huge industry in the United states and while it is better to go green in the long run, it isn't going to happen overnight Agreed, but there is no need to expand it either by opening new drilling sites. Especially in our National Parks and off our coasts. This is the part of the article that concerns me. “But while climate scientists say policymakers must halt new fossil fuel exploration, O’Rourke has pushed back against the notion that the world must decide between carbon emissions and clean energy. Instead, he has insisted that “we can reject the false choice between oil and gas and renewable energy.” Meanwhile, he has cast key votes with Republicans to boost the fossil fuel industry whose carbon emissions are at the root of the crisis.”
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Dec 27, 2018 20:07:18 GMT
^^^ Beto O'Rourke is from Texas... he couldn't totally abandon that industry and expect to keep a large contingent of TX voters, could he? I think maybe I agree with him, that it can't be an either/or decision. Or at least not all at once.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 27, 2018 20:21:54 GMT
From the AP article you cited : So some pissed off membet of their Parliament doesn't like the fact that he visited the troops, who cares. Didn't seem to violate their sovereignty when Bush or Obama went to Iraq but because it's Trump it suddenly becomes an issue. yeah, he also put lives in danger by tweeting pictures he should not have tweeted if special operations personnel who’s faces he should not have shown - you know because he’s Trump. I’m with the angry parliament dude in this one
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 20:33:54 GMT
^^^ Beto O'Rourke is from Texas... he couldn't totally abandon that industry and expect to keep a large contingent of TX voters, could he? I think maybe I agree with him, that it can't be an either/or decision. Or at least not all at once. So you are ok if they open new drilling sites in the National Parks?
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Dec 27, 2018 20:36:40 GMT
didn't say that- just saying that it might not be an either/or choice.
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Post by freecharlie on Dec 27, 2018 20:37:32 GMT
^^^ Beto O'Rourke is from Texas... he couldn't totally abandon that industry and expect to keep a large contingent of TX voters, could he? I think maybe I agree with him, that it can't be an either/or decision. Or at least not all at once. So you are ok if they open new drilling sites in the National Parks? I am not okay with it currently, but that would not take him out of the running for me. While i would prefer there not be drilling in our NP, it isn't a hill i would die on.
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Post by Skellinton on Dec 27, 2018 20:41:25 GMT
So you are ok if they open new drilling sites in the National Parks? I am not okay with it currently, but that would not take him out of the running for me. While i would prefer there not be drilling in our NP, it isn't a hill i would die on. I feel the same way. I am completely against drilling on NP sites, but I don’t vote on a single issue and I understand just because he may be ok with it he wouldn’t necessarily get that passed through. I am willing to risk it if he is the best candidate to defeat Trump.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 27, 2018 20:42:55 GMT
So you are ok if they open new drilling sites in the National Parks? I am not okay with it currently, but that would not take him out of the running for me. While i would prefer there not be drilling in our NP, it isn't a hill i would die on. the bar for whom I’d vote for in 2020 is set so low, there are very few hills I’d die on in 2020
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Dec 27, 2018 20:50:30 GMT
I am not okay with it currently, but that would not take him out of the running for me. While i would prefer there not be drilling in our NP, it isn't a hill i would die on. the bar for whom I’d vote for in 2020 is set so low, there are very few hills I’d die on in 2020 plus, the way they tack things on to legislation nowadays, I can see how someone might vote for or against a piece of legislation based on how impractical it is to implement, how poor a job it might do at whatever they want it to address, etc. or what other stuff they might have tried to hide in it. But then when you look at just the record of 'for' or 'against' votes, it might be a bit misleading.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 22:32:33 GMT
Beto has insisted that “we can reject the false choice between oil and gas and renewable energy.”
The hill that we should all die on is climate change. Decision that are made today will determine the kind of world we leave for our kids, and their kids, and their kids.
100 years floods are happening more frequently. Forest fires have become fire storms, hurricanes are becoming more deadly. Glaciers are melting. Water is rising in the oceans threatening to drown coastal communities. Droughts happen more often and for longer periods of time.
I think that we can no longer be wishy-washy on the subject of climate change. We need to act and act now because decisions that are made today will take years for them to be fully implemented.
As such I don’t think someone who believes as Beto apparently does would be a good choice as president that we will need to move us forward on taking steps to combat climate change.
As technology advances we can totally eliminate fossil fuels. Fuels that pollute the air and you know the rest. We need leaders that are open to this real possibility instead of saying it’s a false choice between gas/oil and renewable energy.
Is any of this going to happen overnight? Nope, probably not in my life time. And I’m not saying we need to shut down all oil rigs the day after tomorrow either. What I am saying is we don’t need to open up any addition oil fields as we prepare, to sometime down the road, stop all oil drilling and coal mining as it’s replaced by clean renewable energy. That is the future and we need leaders that are going to lead us in that direction today and not sometime down the road. And I think this because I think we are running out of time.
I will now get off my 🧼 📦.
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Post by sassyangel on Dec 27, 2018 22:39:51 GMT
So you are ok if they open new drilling sites in the National Parks? I am not okay with it currently, but that would not take him out of the running for me. While i would prefer there not be drilling in our NP, it isn't a hill i would die on. Agreed, it’s not a hill I’d die on, if he’s the best chance of avoiding four more years of Trump.
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Post by sassyangel on Dec 27, 2018 22:43:55 GMT
As with most things Trump, it’s more often how he goes about doing things other Presidents have done (usually like a bull in a china shop), than anything. 😏 Exactly! I think I'd be pissed off too if he had threatened my country in the way he did in his speech,all while standing on the very ground of that country saying it. Not all the people of Iraq believe what ISIS believe. Why can't he just zip his mouth up occasionally. He's just adding fuel to the fire. He still can't get the concept that ISIS is an ideology and not confined to the middle east Absolutely! Because addressing it like the radical extreme ideology it is, gives him fewer people to demonize. And he built his campaign of fear on boogeymen like that.
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Post by Merge on Dec 27, 2018 22:51:11 GMT
Yes, Beto was a Texas representative and his voting record reflects that. Here's the hill I die on: if we start in-fighting and demand ideological purity from our candidate, Trump will win again.
Republicans and their supporters (Russia) are already spreading disinformation about potential candidates to get people to sit out the next election because they just "can't" vote for the Democratic candidate. Whoever we nominate, he /she will not be perfect. We all need to start the process of getting over that shit now. Get on message: Trump must go and that's all that matters. Any of the potential candidates being floated would be a thousand times better than Trump, period.
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Post by freecharlie on Dec 27, 2018 23:02:29 GMT
Yes, Beto was a Texas representative and his voting record reflects that. Here's the hill I die on: if we start in-fighting and demand ideological purity from our candidate, Trump will win again. Republicans and their supporters (Russia) are already spreading disinformation about potential candidates to get people to sit out the next election because they just "can't" vote for the Democratic candidate. Whoever we nominate, he /she will not be perfect. We all need to start the process of getting over that shit now. Get on message: Trump must go and that's all that matters. Any of the potential candidates being floated would be a thousand times better than Trump, period. Agree 100% And no candidate will line up exactly with me as I lean liberal on some topics, conservative on others, and middle of the road on the rest.
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Post by sassyangel on Dec 27, 2018 23:41:36 GMT
Yes, Beto was a Texas representative and his voting record reflects that. Here's the hill I die on: if we start in-fighting and demand ideological purity from our candidate, Trump will win again. Republicans and their supporters (Russia) are already spreading disinformation about potential candidates to get people to sit out the next election because they just "can't" vote for the Democratic candidate. Whoever we nominate, he /she will not be perfect. We all need to start the process of getting over that shit now. Get on message: Trump must go and that's all that matters. Any of the potential candidates being floated would be a thousand times better than Trump, period. Exactly. I would think the fact on some specific things he seems to be more middle of the road and open to compromise on some things, would be far more likely to reach those that are more moderate and disillusioned with the current state of the Republican Party. It could work for him.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 28, 2018 0:05:06 GMT
As with most things Trump, it’s more often how he goes about doing things other Presidents have done (usually like a bull in a china shop), than anything. 😏 Exactly! I think I'd be pissed off too if he had threatened my country in the way he did in his speech,all while standing on the very ground of that country saying it. Not all the people of Iraq believe what ISIS believe. Why can't he just zip his mouth up occasionally. He's just adding fuel to the fire. He still can't get the concept that ISIS is an ideology and not confined to the middle east He does not get it!! Why should we wait for 'them' to attack on our soil.... Great thing to say donny dimwit!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 28, 2018 0:14:11 GMT
Give him credit for lying straight to the service persons faces?
Give him credit for turning it into a rally?
Give him credit for having to be shamed into going?
His original plans were to be in Florida. He had no intention of going until he had to be holed up for the shutdown and he only chose to go to Iraq because of all the negative (yet truthful) press on the shutdown.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 28, 2018 0:17:42 GMT
”Even as parts of the federal government grind to a halt, Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort still needs tents for the winter party season—and taxpayers are footing at least $54,000 of the bill, according to Government Executive.” Why? What? No need, he's not even there!! My Pillow read up on the founder. He’s a trumpster BIG time supporter! So you are ok if they open new drilling sites in the National Parks? No not ok!! And no candidate will line up exactly with me as I lean liberal on some topics, conservative on others, and middle of the road on the rest. You are not alone, I think many do.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 28, 2018 0:22:47 GMT
His original plans were to be in Florida. He had no intention of going until he had to be holed up for the shutdown and he only chose to go to Iraq because of all the negative (yet truthful) press on the shutdown. That has been covered today on the news stations that these trips are planned well in advance. The logistics are huge. I have no clue how far in advance though. Thinking longer ago then last week for sure!
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Dec 28, 2018 1:53:56 GMT
Get on message: Trump must go and that's all that matters. Any of the potential candidates being floated would be a thousand times better than Trump, period. THIS.
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Post by Merge on Dec 28, 2018 2:05:33 GMT
Get on message: Trump must go and that's all that matters. Any of the potential candidates being floated would be a thousand times better than Trump, period. THIS.It occurred to me to add, afterward: except for Michael Avenatti. I'm really glad he decided not to run so we didn't have him as a distraction. Any of the current potential candidates I've heard of would be better than Trump. I honestly think Avenatti would have been just as bad as Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 2:19:06 GMT
It occurred to me to add, afterward: except for Michael Avenatti. I'm really glad he decided not to run so we didn't have him as a distraction. Any of the current potential candidates I've heard of would be better than Trump. I honestly think Avenatti would have been just as bad as Trump. Problem is you can’t count on voters to come out “just to vote for anybody but trump”. You have to give them someone they want to vote for and to make them get up off their rear ends and actually show up. And another reason you have to give people someone, especially Democrats, they want to vote for is some Republican could primary trump and win. I have had enough of Republicans for awhile. So if someone primaries trump I want to make sure whatever Democrat we nominate can win and will win regardless if it’s trump or another Republican.
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