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Post by seaexplore on Jan 21, 2019 2:10:37 GMT
Why on earth would you believe the rest of us should be feeling this harder??? I’ve paid my taxes! I have voted and I have done my civic duty to be informed. The damn government (no matter which hat you put on-) should be feeling this. Not moreso the people! Insanity. And while everyone’s heart is breaking for employed people who chose to be federal (or state) knowing this could happen, and laugh their happy asses off when nonessentials leave work early for a snowstorm or don’t have to come in for one. I have absolute not an ounce of feeling the American people should be held even greater pawns. The "government" does not feel things, people do. My point is that many people are shielded from the consequences of this thing unfairly. If we the people (via our elected officials) dont want to pay for shit we shouldn't get shit. If we had options to vote for who weren’t shit, we wouldn’t have shit.
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Post by mustlovecats on Jan 21, 2019 2:14:54 GMT
My dh is not allowed to go to work through no fault of his own. He will be working extra hours (unpaid!) after this is over. It is very difficult to plan anything for the family time wise or financially with all this going on. We are making a lot of sacrifices through all this. He is trapped at home because we don’t know when things will change. And as he said and I agree, we’ll believe he is being paid when the money is in his hands. This admin is just TOO unprofessional and unpredictable! The “essential” rule is supposed to be about safety but tRump is expanding it to help himself. In terms of taxes, the parks, the clock tower at tRump Hotel being open - those are all things tRump is doing to try to benefit himself. The parks should be closed so there would be much less damage. He doesn’t care about future problems only himself and now. He cares more about staying in power than what is good for the country. For anyone saying we should not be paid - well, I can’t say it here. My blood boils and I want to explode at that selfish and pretentious attitude. The vast majority of employees effected are not double dipping and not relaxing and having a great time. ETA: oops 😬 that should be affected not effected, this shutdown is affecting my brain Guessing that is directed at me because I said folks not at work and not spending vacation time shouldn’t get paid. Ok 😊 That said, just like I can’t wave a magic wand and reopen the government, my opinion won’t “effect” your bank account balance. Maybe your husband should consider private sector employment. I work in healthcare where the difference between essential and non essential is if you are expected to go to work even if the weather and life in general is adverse. If not, you burn vacation or take unpaid time off. This is why grown ups weigh the benefits package, pay and responsibility. Unless your husband has only been working two years, he knew this could happen. pure nonsense. If everyone who couldn’t absorb the impact of this shutdown went to private sector, you would have no national parks, no national security support, no IRS to process your tax filings, no national health situation monitoring, no food inspections, and hundreds of other things you benefit from because there would be no one to do those jobs. This is not about “grown ups” making good employment decisions.
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Post by yivit on Jan 21, 2019 2:37:45 GMT
My dh is not allowed to go to work through no fault of his own. He will be working extra hours (unpaid!) after this is over. It is very difficult to plan anything for the family time wise or financially with all this going on. We are making a lot of sacrifices through all this. He is trapped at home because we don’t know when things will change. And as he said and I agree, we’ll believe he is being paid when the money is in his hands. This admin is just TOO unprofessional and unpredictable! The “essential” rule is supposed to be about safety but tRump is expanding it to help himself. In terms of taxes, the parks, the clock tower at tRump Hotel being open - those are all things tRump is doing to try to benefit himself. The parks should be closed so there would be much less damage. He doesn’t care about future problems only himself and now. He cares more about staying in power than what is good for the country. For anyone saying we should not be paid - well, I can’t say it here. My blood boils and I want to explode at that selfish and pretentious attitude. The vast majority of employees effected are not double dipping and not relaxing and having a great time. ETA: oops 😬 that should be affected not effected, this shutdown is affecting my brain Guessing that is directed at me because I said folks not at work and not spending vacation time shouldn’t get paid. Ok 😊 That said, just like I can’t wave a magic wand and reopen the government, my opinion won’t “effect” your bank account balance. Maybe your husband should consider private sector employment. I work in healthcare where the difference between essential and non essential is if you are expected to go to work even if the weather and life in general is adverse. If not, you burn vacation or take unpaid time off. This is why grown ups weigh the benefits package, pay and responsibility. Unless your husband has only been working two years, he knew this could happen. ... and YOU can't seem to understand that we have no choice. It's not like we want to take a mental health day or the roads are icy or we have a sick kid. We are FORBIDDEN to work (onsite or from home) if we are not excepted personnel (really, you people need to stop using essential and nonessential because ALL the positions are essential or they wouldn't fill them).
I'm one of the lucky (or many not so lucky) ones who is still having to work AND still getting paid (only because I'm a contractor and we haven't run out of money yet). The pay part ends at the end of this month. At that point, I don't know if I'll be forced to take vacation time to keep a paycheck, or work without pay, or maybe even put both on the timesheet so I get a paycheck and pray that the working contractor positions get reimbursed after this is over (which would allow me to replenish my vacation bank). Nobody seems to know the answer to that yet, which is really pissing me off because in my two tours out here over almost 30 years, I've never seen such disarray. If it goes into using vacation time, I've got a few weeks still on the books (our company only allows 140 or 150 hours on the books and then you're capped and no longer accruing, so it's not like we can stockpile much).
I have some cushion but not much because of a move, a few major emergency vehicle purchases (if you wanna try to get the hospital bill and replacement cost for my son's hit and run rollover from right before our last hurricane out of the asshole who hit him, I'll tell you which jail he's in because I've had no luck) and from going from a two income family to a single income widow all over the last few years.
I've BEEN in "private sector" (between my gov contract tours) - it was no cakewalk either. Tech for O&G and the barrel of oil went in the toilet and so did some jobs, and tech sector that got hit in the dot-bust. Plus, I love what I do and I believe in the mission of the agency.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 21, 2019 2:59:17 GMT
No one is taking time off. They are not being allowed to work because of the president’s shenanigans. I am going to say this one time and one time only here. If you (all y'all general you) don't think that Pelosi & Schumer are full to the brim of shenanigans regarding this stand-off, than we are of a significant difference of opinion. The government goes into shut-down mode with the full knowledge that people will receive pay that they would have earned had the government not shut down. It's a kind of safety switch politicians employ that allows them to continue to refuse to come to the table to hash out a working budget year after year after year after year. Yes, employees forced to not come to work should receive their pay. I really don't like politics. There is always some politician (from either side of the aisle) doing something I find incredibly dumb and/or shortsighted with a throng of people thinking it's the most wonderful thing ever OR there's a politician doing something I am in full support of and a throng of people thinking it's the worst thing ever in the history of ever. Bah!
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Post by busy on Jan 21, 2019 3:33:12 GMT
No one is taking time off. They are not being allowed to work because of the president’s shenanigans. I am going to say this one time and one time only here. If you (all y'all general you) don't think that Pelosi & Schumer are full to the brim of shenanigans regarding this stand-off, than we are of a significant difference of opinion. The government goes into shut-down mode with the full knowledge that people will receive pay that they would have earned had the government not shut down. It's a kind of safety switch politicians employ that allows them to continue to refuse to come to the table to hash out a working budget year after year after year after year. Yes, employees forced to not come to work should receive their pay. I really don't like politics. There is always some politician (from either side of the aisle) doing something I find incredibly dumb and/or shortsighted with a throng of people thinking it's the most wonderful thing ever OR there's a politician doing something I am in full support of and a throng of people thinking it's the worst thing ever in the history of ever. Bah! Agree to disagree.
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Post by roberta on Jan 21, 2019 4:29:29 GMT
@fuzzymutt This is the longest and most chaotic shutdown we are aware of. This is dh’s third or fourth shutdown. There is NEVER a guarantee of receiving pay. There are many reasons to choose government work vs private sector. The government NEEDS good, qualified employees. Many of them ARE public servants. It is the politicians doing this not the workers. No one would work for a company that would arbitrarily decide you had to take a random amount of time off without pay and not knowing when it would end. The pay and benefits are better in the private sectors for some positions. I am certain some workers will leave over this. If I was workings for the govt I probably would. We pay taxes also. (and I don’t want 5 billion wasted on an ecologically disaster) I worked many years in the health care field and in the blizzard of ‘79 I spent 3 days at my hospital because a replacement could not get there so I very much understand that level of “essential”. I also worked for a small organization that ran into financial difficulties and a number of us worked for quite a while without being paid. We were eventually but it wasn’t guaranteed. That was a choice. leftturnonly : agree to disagree
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Post by yivit on Jan 21, 2019 4:41:32 GMT
I am certain some workers will leave over this. If I was workings for the govt I probably would. I am certain this will happen too. In fact, I know it's happening already. Heck, I've been through every shutdown since the 80s and this one's just DIFFERENT so it even has me starting to think about biting the bullet and jumping back into non-gov-contract work (and that means for my type of work that I have to make a pretty horrendous drive).
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Post by lucyg on Jan 21, 2019 5:05:12 GMT
My dh is not allowed to go to work through no fault of his own. He will be working extra hours (unpaid!) after this is over. It is very difficult to plan anything for the family time wise or financially with all this going on. We are making a lot of sacrifices through all this. He is trapped at home because we don’t know when things will change. And as he said and I agree, we’ll believe he is being paid when the money is in his hands. This admin is just TOO unprofessional and unpredictable! The “essential” rule is supposed to be about safety but tRump is expanding it to help himself. In terms of taxes, the parks, the clock tower at tRump Hotel being open - those are all things tRump is doing to try to benefit himself. The parks should be closed so there would be much less damage. He doesn’t care about future problems only himself and now. He cares more about staying in power than what is good for the country. For anyone saying we should not be paid - well, I can’t say it here. My blood boils and I want to explode at that selfish and pretentious attitude. The vast majority of employees effected are not double dipping and not relaxing and having a great time. ETA: oops 😬 that should be affected not effected, this shutdown is affecting my brain Guessing that is directed at me because I said folks not at work and not spending vacation time shouldn’t get paid. Ok 😊 That said, just like I can’t wave a magic wand and reopen the government, my opinion won’t “effect” your bank account balance. Maybe your husband should consider private sector employment. I work in healthcare where the difference between essential and non essential is if you are expected to go to work even if the weather and life in general is adverse. If not, you burn vacation or take unpaid time off. This is why grown ups weigh the benefits package, pay and responsibility. Unless your husband has only been working two years, he knew this could happen. I think it is complete BS to tell public employees if they don’t like the furloughs, they should go find another job. The shutdowns are BS and there is no excuse for them to happen over and over again. We wouldn’t tolerate this treatment of employees in private business, and we shouldn’t tolerate it in government work, either. The people in this thread who seem to think public employees are mostly lazy leeches sucking off the government teat shock the sh*t out of me. I know a lot of public employees (mostly local/state) and I don’t know a single one who doesn’t earn his or her keep, or more than earn it. I find it very difficult to believe that there’s something special about federal workers that makes them different. I think your attitude sucks. I don’t want people to wander off to better jobs, and I don’t want government shutdowns used as a political weapon ever again. And no, “Chuck and Nancy” aren’t responsible for this crap. The self-described “great negotiator” who only knows how to negotiate by bullying and threats is 100% responsible, just as he admitted before he figured out it wasn’t such a popular move after all.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Jan 21, 2019 15:07:33 GMT
Guessing that is directed at me because I said folks not at work and not spending vacation time shouldn’t get paid. Ok 😊 That said, just like I can’t wave a magic wand and reopen the government, my opinion won’t “effect” your bank account balance. Maybe your husband should consider private sector employment. I work in healthcare where the difference between essential and non essential is if you are expected to go to work even if the weather and life in general is adverse. If not, you burn vacation or take unpaid time off. This is why grown ups weigh the benefits package, pay and responsibility. Unless your husband has only been working two years, he knew this could happen. pure nonsense. If everyone who couldn’t absorb the impact of this shutdown went to private sector, you would have no national parks, no national security support, no IRS to process your tax filings, no national health situation monitoring, no food inspections, and hundreds of other things you benefit from because there would be no one to do those jobs. This is not about “grown ups” making good employment decisions. mustlovecats what is pure nonsense is the group think that it is not the place of responsible people to have a plan in place for events that are not just possible, but likely to impact a households income. This is why we pay for insurance. Some have to be forced, some do so willingly, and yet there are always those that refuse then want to point the finger in blame with one hand, while the other is out and up asking for a handout. The services you mentioned are valuable uses of taxpayer money. That said, those folks could play in the sandbox with the rest of us that don’t get sweet pensions at 20 years anymore, pay out every orifice for healthcare and are expected to plan for layoffs, jobs moving overseas, and underemployment.
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Post by yivit on Jan 21, 2019 15:13:47 GMT
That said, those folks could play in the sandbox with the rest of us that don’t get sweet pensions at 20 years anymore, pay out every orifice for healthcare and are expected to plan for layoffs, jobs moving overseas, and underemployment. You seem to think that federal employees have some kind of golden parachute style retirement or benefits. They don't, at least not at the agency I contract to.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Jan 21, 2019 15:38:20 GMT
That said, those folks could play in the sandbox with the rest of us that don’t get sweet pensions at 20 years anymore, pay out every orifice for healthcare and are expected to plan for layoffs, jobs moving overseas, and underemployment. You seem to think that federal employees have some kind of golden parachute style retirement or benefits. They don't, at least not at the agency I contract to. I don’t know you, your agency or your contract terms. And truthfully, I don’t know a lot about government contractors other than I was one, for a very very short period of time. It was seat warming well paid work. I dated a guy that contracted for the Marines for a long time.Talk about falling into a rainbow and pot of glitter. No education, work from home, and paid $125k in a low cost of living area. He served with the contract administrator and they were buddies. I also spent a good deal time in the military, during which I worked with quite a few folks that were federal employees. Since then, my military peer group is mostly transitioning into civilian work. And I know folks that work for a lot of agencies. Some union, some not. Regardless. No. I don’t think they have a golden parachute gig lol What I do know is they are no different or more helpless than I am. The federal government is a never ending network of agencies that don’t perform any better than private sector, and they are given the badge of “public servant.” Most of it is old rusty and expanded New Deal job making and the machine keeps turning. I don’t even care about that honestly. What I do care about is for some reason I am supposed to feel bad that a job that took has a consequence they knew about, and the result is pay for work not done. There are a lot of Peas who work for a lot less money than they could be making because they value benefits packages. How is this any different? Gee you knew if you made X you’d get more affordable healthcare, but instead you chose to make (.5)X or 2X or whatever but the heathcare sucks. It’s a choice. www.forbes.com/sites/waynecrews/2019/01/14/if-the-government-shutdown-falls-short-of-armageddon-we-should-rethink-the-other-75-percent-too/#710398a312e6
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Post by mustlovecats on Jan 21, 2019 15:38:29 GMT
pure nonsense. If everyone who couldn’t absorb the impact of this shutdown went to private sector, you would have no national parks, no national security support, no IRS to process your tax filings, no national health situation monitoring, no food inspections, and hundreds of other things you benefit from because there would be no one to do those jobs. This is not about “grown ups” making good employment decisions. mustlovecats what is pure nonsense is the group think that it is not the place of responsible people to have a plan in place for events that are not just possible, but likely to impact a households income. This is why we pay for insurance. Some have to be forced, some do so willingly, and yet there are always those that refuse then want to point the finger in blame with one hand, while the other is out and up asking for a handout. The services you mentioned are valuable uses of taxpayer money. That said, those folks could play in the sandbox with the rest of us that don’t get sweet pensions at 20 years anymore, pay out every orifice for healthcare and are expected to plan for layoffs, jobs moving overseas, and underemployment. Wow, if that’s what you think fed jobs are like... nobody gets a pension anymore and the landscape changes with every administration. It’s no easier to work for the fed than it is to work for a big company. Like I said we are beltway people, my husband is a contractor and most people we know are either govies or contractors (or teachers because that’s me - don’t get me started on the impact to my students). Doesn’t matter which color your badge is, not many of us live the easy life working for the government. Your perception is 100% incorrect. We have been in this for 20+ years now and I think that means I can speak to it more accurately than someone who dated a guy who did contract work for the marines once upon a time somewhere.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 21, 2019 15:44:27 GMT
Of course there is politics involved, it is Washington DC. Let us not forget that the president stated, while sitting in the Oval office, that he was proud and would accept responsibility for the shutdown (shown LIVE on TV). Why doesn't he use the money that is already in the account for border 'whatever'? The 'wall' cannot be built in days or even this year or the next. They are still fighting the land acquisitions from 2006 today, yes those lawyers are still working, hiring more too! Technology has advanced so much and improves every day there have to be ways to do this better. The Border Patrol is severely understaffed and under equipped. Those are places to take action now for far less then 25 billion dollars..
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Post by elaine on Jan 21, 2019 16:38:24 GMT
You seem to think that federal employees have some kind of golden parachute style retirement or benefits. They don't, at least not at the agency I contract to. I don’t know you, your agency or your contract terms. And truthfully, I don’t know a lot about government contractors other than I was one, for a very very short period of time. It was seat warming well paid work. I dated a guy that contracted for the Marines for a long time.Talk about falling into a rainbow and pot of glitter. No education, work from home, and paid $125k in a low cost of living area. He served with the contract administrator and they were buddies. I also spent a good deal time in the military, during which I worked with quite a few folks that were federal employees. Since then, my military peer group is mostly transitioning into civilian work. And I know folks that work for a lot of agencies. Some union, some not. Regardless. No. I don’t think they have a golden parachute gig lol What I do know is they are no different or more helpless than I am. The federal government is a never ending network of agencies that don’t perform any better than private sector, and they are given the badge of “public servant.” Most of it is old rusty and expanded New Deal job making and the machine keeps turning. I don’t even care about that honestly. What I do care about is for some reason I am supposed to feel bad that a job that took has a consequence they knew about, and the result is pay for work not done. There are a lot of Peas who work for a lot less money than they could be making because they value benefits packages. How is this any different? Gee you knew if you made X you’d get more affordable healthcare, but instead you chose to make (.5)X or 2X or whatever but the heathcare sucks. It’s a choice. www.forbes.com/sites/waynecrews/2019/01/14/if-the-government-shutdown-falls-short-of-armageddon-we-should-rethink-the-other-75-percent-too/#710398a312e6I wish I lived in your world - it certainly doesn’t match my experience with the Navy nor civilian federal workers. I find your descriptions inaccurate at best, and quite offensive at worst, when applied to the vast majority of military and government workers who exist outside of your tiny sphere of experience.
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Post by roberta on Jan 21, 2019 18:01:52 GMT
Some of you seem to think that fed employees are recession proof. That is absolutely not true . Budgets change all the time and fed employees get laid off. In the 23+ years my dh has been working at this job there have been three rounds of layoffs!
Many long term employees max out their pay. They teach the top of their pay grade and can’t move to the next without another degree, experience or whatever. The only increase is the cost of living increase which is usually lower than reality and of course this year does not exist because tRump canceled it so the rich could be richer.
My mom was a minimum wage clerk for many years with the government. It is no piece of cake!
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Post by lucyg on Jan 21, 2019 18:47:33 GMT
Damn. Someone sounds bitter. And misguided.
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Post by Just T on Jan 21, 2019 20:02:05 GMT
No one is taking time off. They are not being allowed to work because of the president’s shenanigans. I am going to say this one time and one time only here. If you (all y'all general you) don't think that Pelosi & Schumer are full to the brim of shenanigans regarding this stand-off, than we are of a significant difference of opinion. The government goes into shut-down mode with the full knowledge that people will receive pay that they would have earned had the government not shut down. It's a kind of safety switch politicians employ that allows them to continue to refuse to come to the table to hash out a working budget year after year after year after year. Yes, employees forced to not come to work should receive their pay. I really don't like politics. There is always some politician (from either side of the aisle) doing something I find incredibly dumb and/or shortsighted with a throng of people thinking it's the most wonderful thing ever OR there's a politician doing something I am in full support of and a throng of people thinking it's the worst thing ever in the history of ever. Bah! I really don't like politics either. LOL And I am most definitely not the most politically saavy person. I have no doubt that Pelosi and Schumer are up to some shenanigans as well. Honestly, whenever there is a government shut down, I am irrationally pissed off at both sides and want to scream at them that since THEY are still getting paid, they need to lock themselves in a room, do their freaking jobs, and not come out until an agreement is reached. I think that no matter who the president is, or which party is dominate in congress.
I think this time, I am more upset by Trump than by Pelosi and Schumer for one reason: Trump campaigned not only on building the wall, but on his insistence that Mexico would pay for it. And not just pay for it, but gladly pay for it. So in one way, I can understand Pelosi and Schumer digging in and saying no to anything that involves a huge amount of money that will likely be taken from other things it is already earmarked for to build the wall that he said we wouldn't have to pay for. Also, before he did shut down the government, he said he would own the shut down and be proud of it. I think that was an insensitive thing to say when people's livelihoods were on the line.
That said, I am still disgusted by all of them. It's a vicious circle at this point, and I just want it to end. I feel awful for anyone who is missing their pay checks. At this point in our lives, missing a pay check or two would totally suck, but it wouldn't ruin us. There have been lean times however, when it most definitely would have.
I am glad you waded into this conversation as I do like seeing other's viewpoints presented in a kind way. I hope I have responded in a kind way myself. I think these are the kinds of discussions we need to have, not the name calling, zinger dropping posts that aren't very productive ways to get one's point across.
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Post by Merge on Jan 21, 2019 20:14:14 GMT
You seem to think that federal employees have some kind of golden parachute style retirement or benefits. They don't, at least not at the agency I contract to. I don’t know you, your agency or your contract terms. And truthfully, I don’t know a lot about government contractors other than I was one, for a very very short period of time. It was seat warming well paid work. I dated a guy that contracted for the Marines for a long time.Talk about falling into a rainbow and pot of glitter. No education, work from home, and paid $125k in a low cost of living area. He served with the contract administrator and they were buddies. I also spent a good deal time in the military, during which I worked with quite a few folks that were federal employees. Since then, my military peer group is mostly transitioning into civilian work. And I know folks that work for a lot of agencies. Some union, some not. Regardless. No. I don’t think they have a golden parachute gig lol What I do know is they are no different or more helpless than I am. The federal government is a never ending network of agencies that don’t perform any better than private sector, and they are given the badge of “public servant.” Most of it is old rusty and expanded New Deal job making and the machine keeps turning. I don’t even care about that honestly. What I do care about is for some reason I am supposed to feel bad that a job that took has a consequence they knew about, and the result is pay for work not done. There are a lot of Peas who work for a lot less money than they could be making because they value benefits packages. How is this any different? Gee you knew if you made X you’d get more affordable healthcare, but instead you chose to make (.5)X or 2X or whatever but the heathcare sucks. It’s a choice. www.forbes.com/sites/waynecrews/2019/01/14/if-the-government-shutdown-falls-short-of-armageddon-we-should-rethink-the-other-75-percent-too/#710398a312e6Where do you live that everyone has their choice of jobs and benefits packages? My husband and I are both highly educated and live in a large city and have never found it quite so simple as just making a choice of this job or that one. I have to imagine that people with less education, or who live in less populated areas, find their choices even fewer. One must also consider that if we make public service jobs unattractive, we will have a difficult time recruiting people who do have a choice. We'll be left with the dregs for some very important jobs. Does that seem like a good business choice?
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Jan 21, 2019 20:48:59 GMT
mustlovecats what is pure nonsense is the group think that it is not the place of responsible people to have a plan in place for events that are not just possible, but likely to impact a households income. This is why we pay for insurance. Some have to be forced, some do so willingly, and yet there are always those that refuse then want to point the finger in blame with one hand, while the other is out and up asking for a handout. The services you mentioned are valuable uses of taxpayer money. That said, those folks could play in the sandbox with the rest of us that don’t get sweet pensions at 20 years anymore, pay out every orifice for healthcare and are expected to plan for layoffs, jobs moving overseas, and underemployment. Wow, if that’s what you think fed jobs are like... nobody gets a pension anymore and the landscape changes with every administration. It’s no easier to work for the fed than it is to work for a big company. Like I said we are beltway people, my husband is a contractor and most people we know are either govies or contractors (or teachers because that’s me - don’t get me started on the impact to my students). Doesn’t matter which color your badge is, not many of us live the easy life working for the government. Your perception is 100% incorrect. We have been in this for 20+ years now and I think that means I can speak to it more accurately than someone who dated a guy who did contract work for the marines once upon a time somewhere. Thank you for discounting my military service where I worked with contractors on the daily in Garrison, my experience working as a contractor, and the many friends I have doing such work around the world with different agencies. Perfect example of a headline reader/opinion former. Love ya doll!! Keep on keeping on!
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Jan 21, 2019 21:01:07 GMT
I don’t know you, your agency or your contract terms. And truthfully, I don’t know a lot about government contractors other than I was one, for a very very short period of time. It was seat warming well paid work. I dated a guy that contracted for the Marines for a long time.Talk about falling into a rainbow and pot of glitter. No education, work from home, and paid $125k in a low cost of living area. He served with the contract administrator and they were buddies. I also spent a good deal time in the military, during which I worked with quite a few folks that were federal employees. Since then, my military peer group is mostly transitioning into civilian work. And I know folks that work for a lot of agencies. Some union, some not. Regardless. No. I don’t think they have a golden parachute gig lol What I do know is they are no different or more helpless than I am. The federal government is a never ending network of agencies that don’t perform any better than private sector, and they are given the badge of “public servant.” Most of it is old rusty and expanded New Deal job making and the machine keeps turning. I don’t even care about that honestly. What I do care about is for some reason I am supposed to feel bad that a job that took has a consequence they knew about, and the result is pay for work not done. There are a lot of Peas who work for a lot less money than they could be making because they value benefits packages. How is this any different? Gee you knew if you made X you’d get more affordable healthcare, but instead you chose to make (.5)X or 2X or whatever but the heathcare sucks. It’s a choice. www.forbes.com/sites/waynecrews/2019/01/14/if-the-government-shutdown-falls-short-of-armageddon-we-should-rethink-the-other-75-percent-too/#710398a312e6Where do you live that everyone has their choice of jobs and benefits packages? My husband and I are both highly educated and live in a large city and have never found it quite so simple as just making a choice of this job or that one. I have to imagine that people with less education, or who live in less populated areas, find their choices even fewer. One must also consider that if we make public service jobs unattractive, we will have a difficult time recruiting people who do have a choice. We'll be left with the dregs for some very important jobs. Does that seem like a good business choice? As an adult I’ve lived in 5 states. I grew up a military kid and had parents that hit hard times when I was in high school. No college fund, certainly no trust fund, and was out on my own at 17. There are a million paths to take. I chose one that worked for me. I’m both proud and thankful that I am 100% confident I can choose another job tomorrow in several fields as I have gotten experience, education and just as importantly made contacts over the years that know I am very good at what I do, do it with integrity and represent their business well. Lucky me, right? I had to find my own opportunities. Make them myself when there were none, and make sacrifices along the way. Not to say the federal employees didn’t. Someone upthread mentioned where they or their spouse works they’ve hit the ceiling- nowhere to go. Lol that happens pretty much anywhere. I think Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk have the same problem too, unless they expand their horizons. Like everyone else. Government workers aren’t any different than any other worker, except they expect to get paid even when they don’t work or burn vacation. I get it- I really really REALLY do that it isn’t their fault or their choice for the shutdown. The company I work for just eliminated about a hundred jobs- well- in the US. They are being done in Mexico now. Should they still be getting paid, because they “want to work” it wasn’t their choice?” What makes federal employees budgets any more important any other American? My nephew works fast food. The state puts a max on the hours he can work. He *wants* to work more hours but he is not allowed. Perhaps his employer should pay him?
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Post by Merge on Jan 21, 2019 21:15:46 GMT
Where do you live that everyone has their choice of jobs and benefits packages? My husband and I are both highly educated and live in a large city and have never found it quite so simple as just making a choice of this job or that one. I have to imagine that people with less education, or who live in less populated areas, find their choices even fewer. One must also consider that if we make public service jobs unattractive, we will have a difficult time recruiting people who do have a choice. We'll be left with the dregs for some very important jobs. Does that seem like a good business choice? As an adult I’ve lived in 5 states. I grew up a military kid and had parents that hit hard times when I was in high school. No college fund, certainly no trust fund, and was out on my own at 17. There are a million paths to take. I chose one that worked for me. I’m both proud and thankful that I am 100% confident I can choose another job tomorrow in several fields as I have gotten experience, education and just as importantly made contacts over the years that know I am very good at what I do, do it with integrity and represent their business well. Lucky me, right? I had to find my own opportunities. Make them myself when there were none, and make sacrifices along the way. Not to say the federal employees didn’t. Someone upthread mentioned where they or their spouse works they’ve hit the ceiling- nowhere to go. Lol that happens pretty much anywhere. I think Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk have the same problem too, unless they expand their horizons. Like everyone else. Government workers aren’t any different than any other worker, except they expect to get paid even when they don’t work or burn vacation. I get it- I really really REALLY do that it isn’t their fault or their choice for the shutdown. The company I work for just eliminated about a hundred jobs- well- in the US. They are being done in Mexico now. Should they still be getting paid, because they “want to work” it wasn’t their choice?” What makes federal employees budgets any more important any other American? My nephew works fast food. The state puts a max on the hours he can work. He *wants* to work more hours but he is not allowed. Perhaps his employer should pay him? I think you are a bit myopic on this issue. Perhaps some time spent listening to the life experiences of others would benefit you.
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Post by roberta on Jan 21, 2019 21:37:50 GMT
Damn. Someone sounds bitter. And misguided. I don’t understand your point. Please explain. Especially the misguided part. I was born and raised in DC so I know many federal employees. I am not bitter. I am angry that people say being a federal employee is a piece of cake and have cushy benefits. There are many restrictions in place that are not in the private sector.
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Post by elaine on Jan 21, 2019 21:49:18 GMT
Damn. Someone sounds bitter. And misguided. I don’t understand your point. Please explain. Especially the misguided part. I was born and raised in DC so I know many federal employees. I am not bitter. I am angry that people say being a federal employee is a piece of cake and have cushy benefits. There are many restrictions in place that are not in the private sector. I’m 99.999% certain that Lucy wasn’t talking about you; her comment was about FuzzyMutt.
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Post by roberta on Jan 21, 2019 21:51:24 GMT
What makes federal employees budgets any more important any other American? My nephew works fast food. The state puts a max on the hours he can work. He *wants* to work more hours but he is not allowed. Perhaps his employer should pay him?[/quote]
I think you are a bit myopic on this issue. Perhaps some time spent listening to the life experiences of others would benefit you.[/quote]
I agree with this and want to add that this is a very very different situation from what @fuzzymutt is describing. As I mentioned the government does have layoffs and cutbacks. That is very different from this.
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Post by roberta on Jan 21, 2019 21:52:44 GMT
I don’t understand your point. Please explain. Especially the misguided part. I was born and raised in DC so I know many federal employees. I am not bitter. I am angry that people say being a federal employee is a piece of cake and have cushy benefits. There are many restrictions in place that are not in the private sector. I’m 99.999% certain that Lucy wasn’t talking about you; her comment was about FuzzyMutt. Oops 😬! Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 21:57:38 GMT
None of these people have a choice. You keep saying “they don’t have to work,” but the truth is they don’t *get* to work. They are *not allowed* to work. These people WANT to work. This isn’t a vacation for them, it’s a crisis. I just have a huge problem with the way you’re wording things and think it shows a lot about your mindset toward the workers. I get where Red is coming from. It seems like they shouldn't get paid because they're not working. BUT, like many have said- they WANT to work. I understand WHY they should/and will be paid. HOWEVER, it seems like "vacation" because they aren't working. It's really a stupid situation all the way around. They should be paid and should be at work. The President is being a big fat winey baby and affecting millions by his little temper tantrum. It completely sucks ass to want to work but not be able to. I'm sure there are some who aren't working who ARE doing fun stuff with their families and will receive pay for the time they did these things. Yes, it costs money to do things with your family most of the time but if they've saved up money, they can do things. If they were not able to save up money, they're stuck chilling at home or locally and miserable. If they saved up money to do fun things, more than likely they're using that money now to pay bills, not do the fun things.
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Post by lucyg on Jan 21, 2019 22:11:26 GMT
I don’t understand your point. Please explain. Especially the misguided part. I was born and raised in DC so I know many federal employees. I am not bitter. I am angry that people say being a federal employee is a piece of cake and have cushy benefits. There are many restrictions in place that are not in the private sector. I’m 99.999% certain that Lucy wasn’t talking about you; her comment was about FuzzyMutt. Yes, I’m sorry I wasn’t more clear. I’m totally on your side on this shutdown. roberta ETA and thanks, elaine!
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Post by mustlovecats on Jan 21, 2019 22:30:26 GMT
Wow, if that’s what you think fed jobs are like... nobody gets a pension anymore and the landscape changes with every administration. It’s no easier to work for the fed than it is to work for a big company. Like I said we are beltway people, my husband is a contractor and most people we know are either govies or contractors (or teachers because that’s me - don’t get me started on the impact to my students). Doesn’t matter which color your badge is, not many of us live the easy life working for the government. Your perception is 100% incorrect. We have been in this for 20+ years now and I think that means I can speak to it more accurately than someone who dated a guy who did contract work for the marines once upon a time somewhere. Thank you for discounting my military service where I worked with contractors on the daily in Garrison, my experience working as a contractor, and the many friends I have doing such work around the world with different agencies. Perfect example of a headline reader/opinion former. Love ya doll!! Keep on keeping on! You’re welcome. I consider it a form of community service to tell you that you don’t appear to know shit.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Jan 21, 2019 22:44:43 GMT
I don’t understand your point. Please explain. Especially the misguided part. I was born and raised in DC so I know many federal employees. I am not bitter. I am angry that people say being a federal employee is a piece of cake and have cushy benefits. There are many restrictions in place that are not in the private sector. I’m 99.999% certain that Lucy wasn’t talking about you; her comment was about FuzzyMutt. Yeaaaah I’m sure of that too!
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Jan 21, 2019 22:47:21 GMT
Thank you for discounting my military service where I worked with contractors on the daily in Garrison, my experience working as a contractor, and the many friends I have doing such work around the world with different agencies. Perfect example of a headline reader/opinion former. Love ya doll!! Keep on keeping on! You’re welcome. I consider it a form of community service to tell you that you don’t appear to know shit. No worries.. I certainly don’t come here because there are like minds! Back to your echo chambers dear Peas!! (And well wishes to those who don’t post against status quo! I know you’re out there.)
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