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Post by freecharlie on Jan 21, 2019 2:27:35 GMT
High school students roll out ‘Trump 2020’ flag for predominantly black visiting basketball team link to while story
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Post by Merge on Jan 21, 2019 2:35:00 GMT
High school students roll out ‘Trump 2020’ flag for predominantly black visiting basketball team link to while storyWow. Please show this to anyone who thinks that a bunch of teenage boys showing up in MAGA hats isn't an attempt at intimidation.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jan 21, 2019 2:41:05 GMT
White rage in action.
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Post by scrappinmama on Jan 21, 2019 3:39:41 GMT
Yup. MAGA is the modern day swastika or confederate flag. It's shameful and we need to keep calling them out as racists.
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Post by dewryce on Jan 21, 2019 3:51:23 GMT
Yup. MAGA is the modern day swastika or confederate flag. It's shameful and we need to keep calling them out as racists. It is definitely being tied to it. And even if Trump was blameless in that shift from political slogan to racist symbol ( ), when that shift occurred he needed to speak out. It makes me sick that the slogan for the POTUS is now known as a racist symbol, and he is comfortable with that. So many people are comfortable with that.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jan 21, 2019 3:55:17 GMT
Yup. MAGA is the modern day swastika or confederate flag. It's shameful and we need to keep calling them out as racists. It is definitely being tied to it. And even if Trump was blameless in that shift from political slogan to racist symbol ( ), when that shift occurred he needed to speak out. It makes me sick that the slogan for the POTUS is now known as a racist symbol, and he is comfortable with that. So many people are comfortable with that. The brand is known. For people to choose it now is making a clear statement. We see y’all.
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Post by roberta on Jan 21, 2019 4:02:59 GMT
I just read that the team has pulled out of the tournament. - The “MAGA” team
Sorry I don’t know how to link
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 21, 2019 4:09:17 GMT
That is horrible. The mother’s response is, just, I don’t even know what the words are that would express my outrage today.
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Post by trollie on Jan 21, 2019 4:16:53 GMT
Gross. Just gross. Hillary's basket of deplorables comment has become an utter and complete understatement.
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Post by freecharlie on Jan 21, 2019 4:17:55 GMT
I just read that the team has pulled out of the tournament. - The “MAGA” team Sorry I don’t know how to link so I feel bad for the players if they had nothing to do with it.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jan 21, 2019 4:27:43 GMT
When people say “where were the adults,” let’s remember that these school leaders and parents must have been aware that their students planned a “USA” theme when they knew a predominantly black team would be at their school and would likely be sitting out the anthem.
They knew. They allowed it. Some parents encouraged it, clearly.
It was clearly a counter-protest. Actions have consequences. If that means they face scrutiny or have to opt out of a tournament, they need to consider whether or not it was worth it to them.
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Post by trollie on Jan 21, 2019 4:36:12 GMT
When people say “where were the adults,” let’s remember that these school leaders and parents must have been aware that their students planned a “USA” theme when they knew a predominantly black team would be at their school and would likely be sitting out the anthem. They knew. They allowed it. Some parents encouraged it, clearly. It was clearly a counter-protest. Actions have consequences. If that means they face scrutiny or have to opt out of a tournament, they need to consider whether or not it was worth it to them. USA theme, ok, but a Trump 2020 flag is not ok IMO. There should not be that kind of politicking at a school sanctioned event.
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 21, 2019 4:42:46 GMT
Goddamnit I am so sick of shit like this. I cannot believe that this is where we are as a country in 2019. I really can’t.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 21, 2019 6:16:23 GMT
What an embarrassment for my state. SMDH. Ugh.
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Jan 21, 2019 11:53:26 GMT
We used to play against that school. Not surprising.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jan 21, 2019 13:10:31 GMT
We used to play against that school. Not surprising. Interesting! Can you say more?
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Jan 21, 2019 17:11:45 GMT
We used to play against that school. Not surprising. Interesting! Can you say more? There were a couple schools we knew when we went to their school the sportsmanship was "a little lacking". Jordan was one and the other was a private Christian school, the Christian school was much worse. It was many years ago, so I can't remember many details, but I remember it was one we did not look forward to visiting.
Also, Jordan is not a Minneapolis school. They are about 45 miles from Minneapolis, a more rural school for sure.
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Post by pyccku on Jan 21, 2019 17:33:11 GMT
When people say “where were the adults,” let’s remember that these school leaders and parents must have been aware that their students planned a “USA” theme when they knew a predominantly black team would be at their school and would likely be sitting out the anthem. They knew. They allowed it. Some parents encouraged it, clearly. It was clearly a counter-protest. Actions have consequences. If that means they face scrutiny or have to opt out of a tournament, they need to consider whether or not it was worth it to them. Exactly. When in the past has this been done? Were people taking Bush or Obama flags to sporting events? Why are they now taking Trump flags? One reason - to "own" the libs, to "trigger" the minorities, etc. It's this idea that you MUST put people in their place. In the past, it was entirely possible to attend a sporting event without having someone decide that they needed to force you to do something. You could buy a cup of coffee without someone saying "yeah, you need to say Merry Christmas to me or I'm gonna be mad." It's coffee in a red cup. It's a basketball game. Buy the coffee and drink it - or don't. Go to the tournament and play - or don't. The thing to always remember is that the people who believe this way and think that this is the right thing to do are outnumbered. How do you know? Companies like Gilette are making ads calling for kindness, civility, etc. and pushing back against these beliefs. That means that their marketing department did research and found that the potential to sell more product was better with THIS message than a different message. It's calculated - they did the math and found that the numbers were on the side that wasn't wearing MAGA hats. Have you seen a single commercial (other than Trumpy bear type things) where the MAGA message or the build the wall message has been used to sell products? Even one? Compare that to the number of companies who have come out publicly as opposing those messages.
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Post by mnmloveli on Jan 21, 2019 18:09:49 GMT
When people say “where were the adults,” let’s remember that these school leaders and parents must have been aware that their students planned a “USA” theme when they knew a predominantly black team would be at their school and would likely be sitting out the anthem. They knew. They allowed it. Some parents encouraged it, clearly. It was clearly a counter-protest. Actions have consequences. If that means they face scrutiny or have to opt out of a tournament, they need to consider whether or not it was worth it to them. Exactly. When in the past has this been done? Were people taking Bush or Obama flags to sporting events? Why are they now taking Trump flags? One reason - to "own" the libs, to "trigger" the minorities, etc. It's this idea that you MUST put people in their place. In the past, it was entirely possible to attend a sporting event without having someone decide that they needed to force you to do something. You could buy a cup of coffee without someone saying "yeah, you need to say Merry Christmas to me or I'm gonna be mad." It's coffee in a red cup. It's a basketball game. Buy the coffee and drink it - or don't. Go to the tournament and play - or don't. The thing to always remember is that the people who believe this way and think that this is the right thing to do are outnumbered. How do you know? Companies like Gilette are making ads calling for kindness, civility, etc. and pushing back against these beliefs. That means that their marketing department did research and found that the potential to sell more product was better with THIS message than a different message. It's calculated - they did the math and found that the numbers were on the side that wasn't wearing MAGA hats. Have you seen a single commercial (other than Trumpy bear type things) where the MAGA message or the build the wall message has been used to sell products? Even one? Compare that to the number of companies who have come out publicly as opposing those messages. I think because the predominantly black team sits out the National Anthem in the locker room at every game, which, let's face it, most people see as a political stand since President Trump is against it, the kids decided to show their support of President Trump. You can't let one team choose a political stand and not the other one.
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Post by Merge on Jan 21, 2019 18:21:10 GMT
Exactly. When in the past has this been done? Were people taking Bush or Obama flags to sporting events? Why are they now taking Trump flags? One reason - to "own" the libs, to "trigger" the minorities, etc. It's this idea that you MUST put people in their place. In the past, it was entirely possible to attend a sporting event without having someone decide that they needed to force you to do something. You could buy a cup of coffee without someone saying "yeah, you need to say Merry Christmas to me or I'm gonna be mad." It's coffee in a red cup. It's a basketball game. Buy the coffee and drink it - or don't. Go to the tournament and play - or don't. The thing to always remember is that the people who believe this way and think that this is the right thing to do are outnumbered. How do you know? Companies like Gilette are making ads calling for kindness, civility, etc. and pushing back against these beliefs. That means that their marketing department did research and found that the potential to sell more product was better with THIS message than a different message. It's calculated - they did the math and found that the numbers were on the side that wasn't wearing MAGA hats. Have you seen a single commercial (other than Trumpy bear type things) where the MAGA message or the build the wall message has been used to sell products? Even one? Compare that to the number of companies who have come out publicly as opposing those messages. I think because the predominantly black team sits out the National Anthem in the locker room at every game, which, let's face it, most people see as a political stand since President Trump is against it, the kids decided to show their support of President Trump. You can't let one team choose a political stand and not the other one. The boys who sit out the anthem are protesting injustice regardless of what Trump has tried to make it into.The boys who wear the MAGA hats and carry the Trump banner are protesting what, exactly? Blackness?
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Post by mnmloveli on Jan 21, 2019 18:34:25 GMT
I think because the predominantly black team sits out the National Anthem in the locker room at every game, which, let's face it, most people see as a political stand since President Trump is against it, the kids decided to show their support of President Trump. You can't let one team choose a political stand and not the other one. The boys who sit out the anthem are protesting injustice regardless of what Trump has tried to make it into.The boys who wear the MAGA hats and carry the Trump banner are protesting what, exactly? Blackness? Not just President Trump making it into something; without the Media the kneeling would have gone no where. The boys wearing the MAGA hats and carrying the Trump banner are not protesting; they're showing their support of President Trump. Just like the black boys in the locker room are showing their support of black issues by sitting out the National Anthem of the country they live in.
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Post by Merge on Jan 21, 2019 20:00:58 GMT
The boys who sit out the anthem are protesting injustice regardless of what Trump has tried to make it into.The boys who wear the MAGA hats and carry the Trump banner are protesting what, exactly? Blackness? Not just President Trump making it into something; without the Media the kneeling would have gone no where. The boys wearing the MAGA hats and carrying the Trump banner are not protesting; they're showing their support of President Trump. Just like the black boys in the locker room are showing their support of black issues by sitting out the National Anthem of the country they live in. Sorry, totally disagree. Never in the history of our country has any protest around the flag been seen as an insult to the president himself. Only in Trump's messed up head. Sitting out the anthem is not general support of black issues; it's a protest of a specific injustice toward black youth. So on the one hand you have kids protesting a specific injustice, and other the other hand you have a raucous, jeering crowd set to intimidate and demean. I don't see that as equivalent at all.
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Post by PLurker on Jan 21, 2019 20:07:43 GMT
Not just President Trump making it into something; without the Media the kneeling would have gone no where. The boys wearing the MAGA hats and carrying the Trump banner are not protesting; they're showing their support of President Trump. Just like the black boys in the locker room are showing their support of black issues by sitting out the National Anthem of the country they live in. Sorry, totally disagree. Never in the history of our country has any protest around the flag been seen as an insult to the president himself. Only in Trump's messed up head. Sitting out the anthem is not general support of black issues; it's a protest of a specific injustice toward black youth. So on the one hand you have kids protesting a specific injustice, and other the other hand you have a raucous, jeering crowd set to intimidate and demean. I don't see that as equivalent at all. I a read an article where while playing a predominate black some white/religious student body of home team brought out a large trump banner and hung it in the gym. at half time. sudden urge to support their president for honorable reasons? I think not. ETA I say "some" school because although article was in response to this mess, I do not recall if it was Covington or another similar school.
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Post by mnmloveli on Jan 21, 2019 20:11:19 GMT
Not just President Trump making it into something; without the Media the kneeling would have gone no where. The boys wearing the MAGA hats and carrying the Trump banner are not protesting; they're showing their support of President Trump. Just like the black boys in the locker room are showing their support of black issues by sitting out the National Anthem of the country they live in. Sorry, totally disagree. Never in the history of our country has any protest around the flag been seen as an insult to the president himself. Only in Trump's messed up head. Sitting out the anthem is not general support of black issues; it's a protest of a specific injustice toward black youth. So on the one hand you have kids protesting a specific injustice, and other the other hand you have a raucous, jeering crowd set to intimidate and demean. I don't see that as equivalent at all. I never said the protest of the flag was an insult to President Trump. Where did you get that from ? The boys are showing support for their President and the black boys are showing their support for, as you say, “specific injustice toward black youth”. Both politically charged issues. By the way, I bet neither group could state why they supported Trump or what are the specific injustices they themselves have suffered. All these things are pushed by the media, parents and coaches/teachers.
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Post by missmcd on Jan 21, 2019 20:17:20 GMT
Sorry, totally disagree. Never in the history of our country has any protest around the flag been seen as an insult to the president himself. Only in Trump's messed up head. Sitting out the anthem is not general support of black issues; it's a protest of a specific injustice toward black youth. So on the one hand you have kids protesting a specific injustice, and other the other hand you have a raucous, jeering crowd set to intimidate and demean. I don't see that as equivalent at all. I never said the protest of the flag was an insult to President Trump. Where did you get that from ? The boys are showing support for their President and the black boys are showing their support for, as you say, “specific injustice toward black youth”. Both politically charged issues. By the way, I bet neither group could state why they supported Trump or what are the specific injustices they themselves have suffered. All these things are pushed by the media, parents and coaches/teachers. I'm stuck here.. The boys are showing support for their President and the black boys are showing their support for, as you say, “specific injustice toward black youth”. I don't have ANYTHING nice to say in response to what you've typed, so for now I will not say anything.
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Post by Merge on Jan 21, 2019 20:19:51 GMT
Sorry, totally disagree. Never in the history of our country has any protest around the flag been seen as an insult to the president himself. Only in Trump's messed up head. Sitting out the anthem is not general support of black issues; it's a protest of a specific injustice toward black youth. So on the one hand you have kids protesting a specific injustice, and other the other hand you have a raucous, jeering crowd set to intimidate and demean. I don't see that as equivalent at all. I never said the protest of the flag was an insult to President Trump. Where did you get that from ? The boys are showing support for their President and the black boys are showing their support for, as you say, “specific injustice toward black youth”. Both politically charged issues. By the way, I bet neither group could state why they supported Trump or what are the specific injustices they themselves have suffered. All these things are pushed by the media, parents and coaches/teachers. Yeah, we're just going to have to disagree on that one.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jan 21, 2019 20:23:44 GMT
Sorry, totally disagree. Never in the history of our country has any protest around the flag been seen as an insult to the president himself. Only in Trump's messed up head. Sitting out the anthem is not general support of black issues; it's a protest of a specific injustice toward black youth. So on the one hand you have kids protesting a specific injustice, and other the other hand you have a raucous, jeering crowd set to intimidate and demean. I don't see that as equivalent at all. I never said the protest of the flag was an insult to President Trump. Where did you get that from ? The boys are showing support for their President and the black boys are showing their support for, as you say, “specific injustice toward black youth”. Both politically charged issues. By the way, I bet neither group could state why they supported Trump or what are the specific injustices they themselves have suffered. All these things are pushed by the media, parents and coaches/teachers. Do you think that the black students would be unable to come up with specific instances in which white supremacy affected them? That is the purpose of the protest when the national anthem is sung/played; America is not the land of the free for everyone. Also, while I have never experienced the specific injustices related to white supremacy, I would still feel comfortable participating in a protest against it. Many white folks participated in the March on Washington, even though they did not suffer racial injustice. Liberation is for everyone. I am sure that the students who support Trump could come up with their reasons. I'm not sure they'd admit them to everyone, though. In my mind, freedom and equality for all isn't a "politically charged issue" or a partisan issue. It's what's right for human beings. If a political party is against that, they're immoral.
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Post by sabrinae on Jan 21, 2019 20:25:16 GMT
Sorry, totally disagree. Never in the history of our country has any protest around the flag been seen as an insult to the president himself. Only in Trump's messed up head. Sitting out the anthem is not general support of black issues; it's a protest of a specific injustice toward black youth. So on the one hand you have kids protesting a specific injustice, and other the other hand you have a raucous, jeering crowd set to intimidate and demean. I don't see that as equivalent at all. I never said the protest of the flag was an insult to President Trump. Where did you get that from ? The boys are showing support for their President and the black boys are showing their support for, as you say, “specific injustice toward black youth”. Both politically charged issues. By the way, I bet neither group could state why they supported Trump or what are the specific injustices they themselves have suffered. All these things are pushed by the media, parents and coaches/teachers. Those “black boys”live the injustices they’re protesting every day. Every time they go out in public. Those white bouts are racist privileged protected jerks. If you don’t see the racism I have a bridge to sell you
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Post by mnmloveli on Jan 21, 2019 20:27:11 GMT
I never said the protest of the flag was an insult to President Trump. Where did you get that from ? The boys are showing support for their President and the black boys are showing their support for, as you say, “specific injustice toward black youth”. Both politically charged issues. By the way, I bet neither group could state why they supported Trump or what are the specific injustices they themselves have suffered. All these things are pushed by the media, parents and coaches/teachers. I'm stuck here.. The boys are showing support for their President and the black boys are showing their support for, as you say, “specific injustice toward black youth”. I don't have ANYTHING nice to say in response to what you've typed, so for now I will not say anything. Actually “merge” stated “specific injustice toward black youth”.
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Post by mnmloveli on Jan 21, 2019 20:30:51 GMT
I never said the protest of the flag was an insult to President Trump. Where did you get that from ? The boys are showing support for their President and the black boys are showing their support for, as you say, “specific injustice toward black youth”. Both politically charged issues. By the way, I bet neither group could state why they supported Trump or what are the specific injustices they themselves have suffered. All these things are pushed by the media, parents and coaches/teachers. Do you think that the black students would be unable to come up with specific instances in which white supremacy affected them? That is the purpose of the protest when the national anthem is sung/played; America is not the land of the free for everyone. Also, while I have never experienced the specific injustices related to white supremacy, I would still feel comfortable participating in a protest against it. Many white folks participated in the March on Washington, even though they did not suffer racial injustice. Liberation is for everyone. I am sure that the students who support Trump could come up with their reasons. I'm not sure they'd admit them to everyone, though. In my mind, freedom and equality for all isn't a "politically charged issue" or a partisan issue. It's what's right for human beings. If a political party is against that, they're immoral. I’ve watched news coverage of various demonstrations and when asked what they have to say, most of them look like a “deer in the headlights”. I’m sure both these groups would be the same if asked.
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