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Post by phoenixcov on Jan 23, 2019 18:52:18 GMT
I know I am a Brit and the politics are slightly different but for what it`s worth I wouldn`t vote Conservative if it was the only choice available.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 23, 2019 19:07:16 GMT
I think on some issues I would be considered to be more conservative in my thinking. But at this point I can't think of any recent policies or ideas that the Republicans have put forth that are even close to what I believe in. The farther they go into the racist, sexist policies and rhetoric and protecting corporations over people and the environment, the farther left I go.
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MizIndependent
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Post by 950nancy on Jan 24, 2019 5:21:00 GMT
I was a Republican for almost 35 years. I didn't always vote party line when it dealt with women's issues, but I preferred the US to be fiscally responsible and have smaller government. Currently I cannot support this administration and the rights of others being taken away in the US. I don't care who you love or where you go to the bathroom. I do care about 40,000 people dying each year from gun violence, women's rights being taken away and people needing mental health support. I also agree that we need stronger border security, but I don't for a second think a wall will deter people. Even in the Middle Ages people figured out how to defeat a wall without much technology.
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Post by gar on Jan 24, 2019 7:37:21 GMT
but I don't for a second think a wall will deter people. Even in the Middle Ages people figured out how to defeat a wall without much technology.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jan 24, 2019 11:39:21 GMT
Raising my hand. I'm very liberal on social issues and very right-leaning pragmatic on financial and security issues, but the unfiltered HATE coming from the radical left is going to kill this country. This is at least the third time I’m specifically asking you this: ideologically, what characterizes the “radical left”? I haven’t gotten any answer before, so if any of the 11 of you who LIKEd this stance is willing, I would appreciate learning what you considered “radical left” to mean when you agreed with it. I’m honestly curious - and this is not the only poster here I have asked this question of who hasn’t replied. (Carp, that was a radically bad sentence.) I’ve asked it of at least four people here and none has ever replied. I’ve also asked what people mean when they write that the Democratic Party has moved alarmingly Left - and also not received any reply. (Note: normally wouldn’t interrupt a thread like this, but I am mystified why this continues to be a claim without explanation, so thought I’d try here. Full disclosure, I have more than once written here about my beliefs about the history and progression of Rightward movement in the Republican Party since the 1970s, but again: wrong thread for that. I just wanted to establish that I am personally willing to explain my own claims about shifting political ideology.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 15:44:55 GMT
The lack of reply is likely due to the fact that *I* for one do not feel like having my opinion dissected. I'm sure others feel the same. Not saying that you, AmeliaBloomer would dissect the opinions but others likely will.
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Post by Nink on Jan 24, 2019 16:05:05 GMT
Former Republican, now independent. The longer this administration is in office, the more left I become.
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Post by pilcas on Jan 24, 2019 16:40:53 GMT
I registered many years ago as an independent. I even recall voting for McCain years ago. I realized how liberal I had become on that fateful November 2016 day when DT got elected. The constant lying and contradictions are appalling. The health care debacle and the tax breaks for corporations, let’s reverse all protections on the environment have left me so disgusted I don’t think I will ever, ever vote Republican again. Plus I have a very poor opinion of anybody who really thought Mexico would pay for that wall!
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Post by mimi3566 on Jan 24, 2019 16:42:47 GMT
I'm very liberal on social issues and very right-leaning pragmatic on financial and security issues, but the unfiltered HATE coming from the radical left is going to kill this country. I guess you haven’t seen the unfiltered hate coming from the right. It’s there. Very obvious. I was going to say the same thing....in fact, I think the hate is far more unfiltered from the right than the left. The right seems to hate anything or anyone that is not heterosexual, lily white American or European and have gone to great lengths to make life hard for anyone that does not fall under those categories.
I work with a women from Poland...still not an American citizen despite living in this country for 20 years, make a comment in the office one day about all of the democrats just making constant noise....I told her it's called exercising our 1st Amendment...freedom of speech. I personally think she's a hypocrite...how dare she make comments on our politics, but she won't become a citizen. She married a retired US military man a couple of years ago and now has all of his benefits and brags about how great they are and takes full advantage of them too....hypocrite!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 24, 2019 17:01:47 GMT
I guess you haven’t seen the unfiltered hate coming from the right. It’s there. Very obvious. I was going to say the same thing....in fact, I think the hate is far more unfiltered from the right than the left. The right seems to hate anything or anyone that is not heterosexual, lily white American or European and have gone to great lengths to make life hard for anyone that does not fall under those categories.
I work with a women from Poland...still not an American citizen despite living in this country for 20 years, make a comment in the office one day about all of the democrats just making constant noise....I told her it's called exercising our 1st Amendment...freedom of speech. I personally think she's a hypocrite...how dare she make comments on our politics, but she won't become a citizen. She married a retired US military man a couple of years ago and now has all of his benefits and brags about how great they are and takes full advantage of them too....hypocrite!
I agree. I also think that the "noise" or "hate" as some call it, from Democrats, is aimed at injustices that are happening in the government and society as a whole. I was taught that we need to confront this, so I do. I am very disappointed that people I care about are supportive of fake news, racist/sexist/discriminatory practices and policies, and so on. That is much different than treating people poorly or taking away their rights simply because of the color of their skin, where they are from, their gender, etc.
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Post by Merge on Jan 24, 2019 17:11:19 GMT
The lack of reply is likely due to the fact that *I* for one do not feel like having my opinion dissected. I'm sure others feel the same. Not saying that you, AmeliaBloomer would dissect the opinions but others likely will. That's so interesting. I've noticed a lot of the right leaning peas here have felt the same way. For me, I don't necessarily enjoy having my opinion dissected or challenged, either - but I appreciate the opportunity to consider whether my opinions stand up to being challenged, or if I need to rethink and refine them.
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Post by femalebusiness on Jan 24, 2019 17:20:14 GMT
Raising my hand. I'm very liberal on social issues and very right-leaning pragmatic on financial and security issues, but the unfiltered HATE coming from the radical left is going to kill this country. This is at least the third time I’m specifically asking you this: ideologically, what characterizes the “radical left”? I haven’t gotten any answer before, so if any of the 11 of you who LIKEd this stance is willing, I would appreciate learning what you considered “radical left” to mean when you agreed with it. I’m honestly curious - and this is not the only poster here I have asked this question of who hasn’t replied. (Carp, that was a radically bad sentence.) I’ve asked it of at least four people here and none has ever replied. I’ve also asked what people mean when they write that the Democratic Party has moved alarmingly Left - and also not received any reply. (Note: normally wouldn’t interrupt a thread like this, but I am mystified why this continues to be a claim without explanation, so thought I’d try here. Full disclosure, I have more than once written here about my beliefs about the history and progression of Rightward movement in the Republican Party since the 1970s, but again: wrong thread for that. I just wanted to establish that I am personally willing to explain my own claims about shifting political ideology.) Don't hold your breath waiting for an explanation. People who believe this stuff are incapable of putting together an actual well reasoned out justification for their opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 17:28:35 GMT
We don't have to justify our opinion. And I can put together a well reasoned statement, tyvm.
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Post by femalebusiness on Jan 24, 2019 17:34:44 GMT
We don't have to justify our opinion. And I can put together a well reasoned statement, tyvm. Yeah, you do. If you are going to come on a thread and voice an opinion you need to back it up and explain what you are throwing out there. Either that or have people believe you are incapable of explaining the reasoning behind your opinions and that you are just repeating what you have heard.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 17:40:53 GMT
We don't have to justify our opinion. And I can put together a well reasoned statement, tyvm. Yeah, you do. If you are going to come on a thread and voice an opinion you need to back it up and explain what you are throwing out there. Either that or have people believe you are incapable of explaining the reasoning behind your opinions and that you are just repeating what you have heard. Who said? Just so people can argue and say how wrong I am ? I could care less what people on the internet think about me and my opinions. I thought the op was taking a census of some sort. I already said upthread I am fiscally conservative but lean more liberal on some social issues.
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Post by gar on Jan 24, 2019 18:17:11 GMT
It's the basic premise of discussion.
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Post by femalebusiness on Jan 24, 2019 18:21:08 GMT
Yeah, you do. If you are going to come on a thread and voice an opinion you need to back it up and explain what you are throwing out there. Either that or have people believe you are incapable of explaining the reasoning behind your opinions and that you are just repeating what you have heard. Who said? Just so people can argue and say how wrong I am ? I could care less what people on the internet think about me and my opinions. I thought the op was taking a census of some sort. I already said upthread I am fiscally conservative but lean more liberal on some social issues. Were you the one who said “the unfiltered HATE coming from the radical left is going to kill this country.” ? If not why are you speaking for someone else? If you really can't take anyone disagreeing with your opinion or questioning why you think the way that you do maybe the political threads are not for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 18:43:28 GMT
Were you the one who said “the unfiltered HATE coming from the radical left is going to kill this country.” ? Nope. that was mom26.
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Post by peasapie on Jan 24, 2019 18:59:29 GMT
We don't have to justify our opinion. And I can put together a well reasoned statement, tyvm. Yeah, you do. If you are going to come on a thread and voice an opinion you need to back it up and explain what you are throwing out there. Either that or have people believe you are incapable of explaining the reasoning behind your opinions and that you are just repeating what you have heard. I will admit that is what I think as well when someone voices an opinion but can't/won't back it up with some kind of reasoning. It doesn't have to be a treatise - but some sort of thought process lends credibility. I consider myself centrist and was registered independent until the last election, when I wasn't able to vote in the primary because my state requires you to vote for a candidate in the party for which you are registered. I think Republicans have kept quiet for too long on some of the outrageous issues that have come up under the Trump presidency - the white nationalism and lack of transparency on Trump's part, for example, and that troubles me. I think the Democrats need to make it clear that something has to be done about unchecked immigration, and tell us what they propose - - but a $6 billion Trump's-Folly wall isn't going to do it.
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Post by mrst on Jan 24, 2019 19:02:20 GMT
As a Brit I find all American politics right wing. Perhaps it's because I'm quite left in the UK which seems to be very left as far the USA.
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Post by Zee on Jan 24, 2019 19:06:51 GMT
Yeah, you do. If you are going to come on a thread and voice an opinion you need to back it up and explain what you are throwing out there. Either that or have people believe you are incapable of explaining the reasoning behind your opinions and that you are just repeating what you have heard. Who said? Just so people can argue and say how wrong I am ? I could care less what people on the internet think about me and my opinions. I thought the op was taking a census of some sort. I already said upthread I am fiscally conservative but lean more liberal on some social issues. I really don't have any problem with you not wanting to get into a discussion (I get it), but if you TRULY didn't care what anyone here thinks, you wouldn't mind putting your opinion out there. mom26 I'm another who would love to hear what this "unfiltered hate" from the left consists of. I must have missed it. Probably because my TV is never on Fox News.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 19:58:48 GMT
I am pro gay and pro public education. I am not a supporter of unions. I prefer smaller government. I prefer lower taxes - especially in NYS. I believe we take care of our citizens first.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jan 24, 2019 20:35:05 GMT
Raising my hand. I'm very liberal on social issues and very right-leaning pragmatic on financial and security issues, but the unfiltered HATE coming from the radical left is going to kill this country. This is at least the third time I’m specifically asking you this: ideologically, what characterizes the “radical left”? I haven’t gotten any answer before, so if any of the 11 of you who LIKEd this stance is willing, I would appreciate learning what you considered “radical left” to mean when you agreed with it. I’m honestly curious - and this is not the only poster here I have asked this question of who hasn’t replied. (Carp, that was a radically bad sentence.) I’ve asked it of at least four people here and none has ever replied. I’ve also asked what people mean when they write that the Democratic Party has moved alarmingly Left - and also not received any reply. (Note: normally wouldn’t interrupt a thread like this, but I am mystified why this continues to be a claim without explanation, so thought I’d try here. Full disclosure, I have more than once written here about my beliefs about the history and progression of Rightward movement in the Republican Party since the 1970s, but again: wrong thread for that. I just wanted to establish that I am personally willing to explain my own claims about shifting political ideology.) I'm one of the 11 that liked that post and I can like the majority of a post without liking every word of it.
I'm an independent Hispanic female that did not vote for Trump but no longer enjoys discussing politics here. I do not owe people an explanation of why I vote or feel the way I do. It's a no win situation here unless you fall in line with the majority of the outspoken peas. And if you are not vocal about your hatred of Trump then according to some, you must support him
This is where I come to relax, laugh, learn and enjoy my down time. This is not where I come to be in constant battle with people that continuously put others down for either not expressing themselves correctly or not agreeing with them.
And once again some of the liberals have come in and demanded answers and/or explanations.
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Post by scrappinmama on Jan 24, 2019 20:42:16 GMT
Former Republican, now independent. The longer this administration is in office, the more left I become. I have never been registered Republican, but have voted for Republicans before. I totally agree with you. The longer he sits in office and the Republican party supports him, the more liberal I feel. To think just several years ago I was prepared to vote for McCain (until he added Palin to the ticket). Right now, I can't imagine ever voting Republican again.
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Post by 950nancy on Jan 24, 2019 21:09:59 GMT
but I don't for a second think a wall will deter people. Even in the Middle Ages people figured out how to defeat a wall without much technology. I was thinking more of a trebuchet and tossing cows over, but yours works too.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jan 24, 2019 22:17:49 GMT
I'm one of the 11 that liked that post and I can like the majority of a post without liking every word of it.
I'm an independent Hispanic female that did not vote for Trump but no longer enjoys discussing politics here. I do not owe people an explanation of why I vote or feel the way I do. It's a no win situation here unless you fall in line with the majority of the outspoken peas. And if you are not vocal about your hatred of Trump then according to some, you must support him
This is where I come to relax, laugh, learn and enjoy my down time. This is not where I come to be in constant battle with people that continuously put others down for either not expressing themselves correctly or not agreeing with them.
And once again some of the liberals have come in and demanded answers and/or explanations.
I’m quite sure the way I wrote my question did not indicate I was demanding anything. And I tried to couch the question by indicating that I wouldn’t normally ask it in a thread like this. By request, I stayed off that long-running Conservative thread for its entire life, even though I regularly read the same “radical” claim there and often itched to ask my question. And then I explicitly asked the question several times on other threads. I always get silence in return; today I got two refusals, one of which was delivered angrily. I am somebody who will always answer a question about my political beliefs if I think it is asked in the service of seeking explanation. (Well, except for one one person here...) Why else would I write about my beliefs? I LIKE discussing politics, especially ideology, so I’m unaccustomed to blanket unwillingness to clarify stances. No, of course nobody “owes” me anything here, but I would think at least one somebody would be willing to offer an answer to support their claim. With the codicil that I am still very curious about the repeated claims about the transformation of the American Left to radicalism (or the claims of Socialism or the claims that the Democratic Party leadership has been hijacked by radicals), I would be pleased to hear from anybody by private message. And I promise I will stay off this thread. All that said, I’m sorry I angered you or anyone else. That was not my intention. I included the people who LIKEd the post because that made sense to me at the time, but that was a mistake.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 24, 2019 23:59:52 GMT
I am pro gay and pro public education. I am not a supporter of unions. I prefer smaller government. I prefer lower taxes - especially in NYS. I believe we take care of our citizens first. I too am: —pro-LBGTQ —pro-public education (not against private either but HATE what DeVos is doing) —pro-union —Small government, big government whatever, make the shit work already!!! I am against what trump is trying to do (and make all his friends rich) by privatizing everything. —lower taxes is always good, stop tax cuts on the biggest wealth. —we have had many opportunities to take care of citizens first, but republicans have trashed all that and continue to attack and degrade us. Everyday it’s something new. I truly believe that the are in a path to break the spirit of humanity, continue on their authoritarian way, and then what??? —immigration-NO on a wall, used the funds that were allotted last year (that haven’t been used) to increase human workforce to to the jobs needed, strengthen those resources and make it possible for a clean, clear path to citizenship. stop being assholes, because right now all that it screams is “we don’t want brown people or people who are not white”. —pro-environment. Republicans are ignorant and destroying our environment and refuse to look at scientific facts of climate change. Why??? Because the people who gave big $$$$ to them are in business that need laws and regulations to be axed to be more profitable. They’re selling off our natural parks and lands. And I’ve voted for many republicans in the past. I would have voted for McCain if it were not for Palin. I know I won’t be voting for any republicans anytime soon with the crap that they are pulling now.
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