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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 3:50:28 GMT
So...this thread has gone exactly as expected. You beat me to saying that.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 25, 2019 3:58:44 GMT
Oh, I don’t know, but bombs being sent to President Obama, Vice President Biden, Hilary Clinton, George Soros, CNN, etc.. seems a comparable example. Thankfully the bombs didn’t go off, doesn’t make the intent any less than what happened on that ball field. Not okay at ALL, but it seems we have a payback mentality going on here. Does that not disturb you? Aren't you the one who was asking for examples? Daily lies and division created and inflamed by Fox news---people who apparently have a lot of influence over people on the right and the President. As opposed to three examples of stupid celebrities that nobody listens to or cares about. The killing of Heather Heyer (probably spelled that wrong), the threats and killings at synagogues, any of the numerous videos of minorities being threatened and harassed, and on and on.....
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 25, 2019 4:04:00 GMT
Interesting because I find it far more appalling that the right wing news/pundits/blogs and their conservative followers would go after the students that survived the Parkland High School shooting. They're high school kids, for cripe's sake and they and their families have received death threats. So, want to compare? Kids that survived a school shooting vs. kids that decided it was a good idea to wear MAGA hats and act like cretins on a school trip. Any and all who ripped the Parkland kids went on instant ignore for me. It was beyond deplorable. But seriously, blaming a MAGA hat as justification for harassment and death threats? Why not go back to blaming women being raped on the 'suggestive clothes' she was wearing. Come on. Grow up and be better than that. I don't condone or justify death threats towards the teens wearing the MAGA hats. Nor do I think that the hats are the reason for people being upset with them. Their actions are the reason. However, they wore the hats for a reason, and people noticed. Whether you like it or not, MAGA hats or clothing do say something about someone and their values. I wouldn't compare it to a swastika at this point, but more like a confederate flag--maybe a step up from that in regards to how offensive it is since it is a newer symbol that is more relevant to today's issues.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jan 25, 2019 4:05:13 GMT
I have really thought about how to respond here. If this same exact topic had been posted three years ago, I would have raised my hand as a right leaning pea with no hesitation.
I am no longer a right leaning pea. I don't know what I am exactly. I am not right leaning, or left leaning. I HATE the extremes of both parties. I am middle of the road, I guess. And in this political climate, that is a difficult place to be. I don't really fit in anywhere. I never am sure of what I should post on political threads.
*I have always been for tight immigration laws, but I am definitely against spending billions of $$$ on a wall because I don't think it will solve any of the problems we have with illegal immigrants.
*I am not in favor of socialized medicine, but I do believe we desperately need to find a way to fix our healthcare system.
*I do not believe that people should be discriminated against because of their sexual orientation. This hits very close to home for me.
*I am pro-choice. NOT "pro-abortion." I hope and pray that none of my children will ever have an abortion, but I also hope and pray that there is never a time when we go back to the days of unsafe abortions.
*The 2016 election was one of only 3 times since I was old enough to vote that I did not vote for a Republican president. (The first time I was of age to vote was when I voted for Reagan). I've never been a registered Republican, but I have rarely voted any other party.
I am so disillusioned now. I did not vote for Trump, but when he won, I told myself that the party would rein him in. Checks and balances, ya know? But that hasn't happened, and I have found myself really disillusioned with the Republican party.
I feel lost politically.
Me too@justt...me too...the only thing that differs for me is that 2016 was the second election I did not vote Republican not my third. But I agree with everything else you posted.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 25, 2019 4:08:00 GMT
The right seems to hate anything or anyone that is not heterosexual, lily white American or European and have gone to great lengths to make life hard for anyone that does not fall under those categories. On your scale, I register as a die-hard, liberal, left-leaning, rabidly anti-Trump, LGBTQA person of color.
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Post by mom26 on Jan 25, 2019 4:22:27 GMT
Not okay at ALL, but it seems we have a payback mentality going on here. Does that not disturb you? Aren't you the one who was asking for examples? Daily lies and division created and inflamed by Fox news---people who apparently have a lot of influence over people on the right and the President. As opposed to three examples of stupid celebrities that nobody listens to or cares about. The killing of Heather Heyer (probably spelled that wrong), the threats and killings at synagogues, any of the numerous videos of minorities being threatened and harassed, and on and on..... No, I did not ask for examples. I was asked to give examples. I did. The response to my reply was pretty ridiculous and only showed the bias and division of thought and comprehension. And I don't know what Fox news does, but I do know what MSM does.
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Post by elaine on Jan 25, 2019 4:28:26 GMT
Who has said that? And surely you realize that with your original list we can find equally disturbing examples from the right? Have you not seen the Savannah Guthrie interview? She makes it a point that 'if he'd not been wearing *the hat*'. Many others have made the same suggestion. I've even seen it said here that the MAGA hat is equal to a Swastika. That's beyond nuts. And, can any of your examples be as far as a baseball field of Republicans being shot at?Question for examples asked.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 25, 2019 4:30:54 GMT
Aren't you the one who was asking for examples? Daily lies and division created and inflamed by Fox news---people who apparently have a lot of influence over people on the right and the President. As opposed to three examples of stupid celebrities that nobody listens to or cares about. The killing of Heather Heyer (probably spelled that wrong), the threats and killings at synagogues, any of the numerous videos of minorities being threatened and harassed, and on and on..... No, I did not ask for examples. I was asked to give examples. I did. The response to my reply was pretty ridiculous and only showed the bias and division of thought and comprehension. And I don't know what Fox news does, but I do know what MSM does. I believe that your question, "Can any of your examples be as far as a baseball field of Republicans being shot at?" is why people are giving you examples.
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Post by Zee on Jan 25, 2019 4:37:12 GMT
I really don't have any problem with you not wanting to get into a discussion (I get it), but if you TRULY didn't care what anyone here thinks, you wouldn't mind putting your opinion out there. mom26 I'm another who would love to hear what this "unfiltered hate" from the left consists of. I must have missed it. Probably because my TV is never on Fox News. The 'unfiltered hate' is everywhere. Kathy Griffin holding a fake bloody head of Trump. Madonna wanting to blow up the White House. Snoop Dog pretending to shoot the president. Five minutes of Joy Behar. Debra Messing's (and others) tweets about the Covington kids. They're 14yo kids, for cripe's sake, and they and their families have received death threats. Maxine Waters and her incessant calls for violence on Republicans. Any of the 24/20+ pages of 'Trump catch all' threads. Quite a bit of hate can be found in those. I've seen people disown family and friends over political differences. Saying truly horrid things about them. But, I'm thinking if you don't see it, it's because you agree with it. (You is general you, not specific you.) And, yeah, I saw the Fox News dig. That is such an old and tired insult. Not everyone who is not left-leaning are Fox sheeple. I only watch one show on Fox - The Five - because they have a liberal panel member and I like to hear their views. So, just celebrities? Because I see/hear hate all over comments sections (where brain cells go to die) and IRL from the right but I don't tend to ever hear that from liberals.
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Post by lucyg on Jan 25, 2019 4:47:58 GMT
While not on the same scale, the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords was a horrid thing and I remember it well. I have to ask, though, if you're thinking is tit-for-tat is okay with you? I hope not. I wasn’t going to get involved in this thread, but this statement is pure insanity and I cannot stay silent. Sure, you’re right, these shootings were not on the same scale, but not the way you apparently mean. 20 people were shot and six were killed (including a child), and the Congresswoman was permanently and severely disabled, at the Gifford event. In what way is that not as horrific as the Scalise shooting? And that’s aside from the fact that you’re the one who asked for examples of comparable events. Really? I guess I might be feeling sensitive, too, if my argument was so weak.
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Post by lucyg on Jan 25, 2019 4:50:16 GMT
Also the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston where nine African Americans were gunned down by a white supremacist that I can confidentially say wasn't towing the liberal mindset. Dylan Roof was a straight up mentally disturbed human being and not a republican. Are you saying all non-left are mentally disturbed? Again with the hate. Thanks for making my point for me.
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Post by Country Ham on Jan 25, 2019 4:54:34 GMT
As a Brit I find all American politics right wing. Perhaps it's because I'm quite left in the UK which seems to be very left as far the USA. When I moved to the US from Canada I found myself more middle of the spectrum yet in Canada I was quite conservative. It's part of the reason I hate to label myself. Whether it's politics or Religion I truly feel that one man's conservative is another man's liberal.
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Post by mom26 on Jan 25, 2019 4:56:40 GMT
The 'unfiltered hate' is everywhere. Kathy Griffin holding a fake bloody head of Trump. Madonna wanting to blow up the White House. Snoop Dog pretending to shoot the president. Five minutes of Joy Behar. Debra Messing's (and others) tweets about the Covington kids. They're 14yo kids, for cripe's sake, and they and their families have received death threats. Maxine Waters and her incessant calls for violence on Republicans. Any of the 24/20+ pages of 'Trump catch all' threads. Quite a bit of hate can be found in those. I've seen people disown family and friends over political differences. Saying truly horrid things about them. But, I'm thinking if you don't see it, it's because you agree with it. (You is general you, not specific you.) And, yeah, I saw the Fox News dig. That is such an old and tired insult. Not everyone who is not left-leaning are Fox sheeple. I only watch one show on Fox - The Five - because they have a liberal panel member and I like to hear their views. So, just celebrities? Because I see/hear hate all over comments sections (where brain cells go to die) and IRL from the right but I don't tend to ever hear that from liberals. *sigh* No, not just from celebrities. And if you aren't hearing it, then it's simply not registering as being wrong to you. Which means you agree with it.
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Post by Country Ham on Jan 25, 2019 4:58:36 GMT
And surely you realize that with your original list we can find equally disturbing examples from the right? This is probably part of the reason folks from either side don't want to try and explain why they feel the way they do though. Some says "I am ________ leaning because the other side does xyz" and instead of saying "i can see that, i understand why you feel that way" the reply is "well let me tell you how bad your side is". Sounds like a big game of one uppance.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 4:59:38 GMT
I used to be, before this administration pushed me so far to the left, I'm considering a bra burning... I'm in just for the sake of hating bras.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 25, 2019 5:10:24 GMT
I used to be, before this administration pushed me so far to the left, I'm considering a bra burning... I'm in just for the sake of hating bras. If only political affiliation was determined by by the intensity of bra hate. Here on the left, we've seated those who just don't like the darn things. And here on the right, we've seated those who even wear bras to bed. Not sure where that leaves the men. Maybe they could just sit in the middle and be quiet for a while.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 5:12:24 GMT
I'm in just for the sake of hating bras. If only political affiliation was determined by by the intensity of bra hate. Here on the left, we've seated those who just don't like the darn things. And here on the right, we've seated those who even wear bras to bed. Not sure where that leaves the men. Maybe they could just sit in the middle and be quiet for a while. Is it wrong that I snickered?!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 5:14:02 GMT
Don't forget the green party...no bras at all due to the effects on the environment due to manufacturing. LOL
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Post by mom26 on Jan 25, 2019 5:18:44 GMT
While not on the same scale, the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords was a horrid thing and I remember it well. I have to ask, though, if you're thinking is tit-for-tat is okay with you? I hope not. I wasn’t going to get involved in this thread, but this statement is pure insanity and I cannot stay silent. Sure, you’re right, these shootings were not on the same scale, but not the way you apparently mean. 20 people were shot and six were killed (including a child), and the Congresswoman was permanently and severely disabled, at the Gifford event. In what way is that not as horrific as the Scalise shooting? And that’s aside from the fact that you’re the one who asked for examples of comparable events. Really? I guess I might be feeling sensitive, too, if my argument was so weak. My point, very clumsily made, is that hate is not the answer and never can be. Look around and see where that is getting us. Nowhere good, that's for sure. If we don't want more of the same, we have be to willing to do something different. Perhaps listen to each other and find common ground? What a novel idea. Listening. Compromising. Coming together.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 25, 2019 5:24:20 GMT
Don't forget the green party...no bras at all due to the effects on the environment due to manufacturing. LOL Yeah, sure. Let's use that excuse.
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 25, 2019 5:26:52 GMT
So...this thread has gone exactly as expected. Perhaps. But on this one.... I'll consider the source of it. Hardly surprisingly, given that.
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Post by mellyw on Jan 25, 2019 5:46:21 GMT
I'm in just for the sake of hating bras. If only political affiliation was determined by by the intensity of bra hate. Here on the left, we've seated those who just don't like the darn things. And here on the right, we've seated those who even wear bras to bed. Not sure where that leaves the men. Maybe they could just sit in the middle and be quiet for a while. I think we need to add the party of... I hate the damn things, wish I could get away without wearing one...but the droop is real. Would this be the vaunted middle who want both sides to get their shit together?
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Post by mellyw on Jan 25, 2019 5:52:25 GMT
And surely you realize that with your original list we can find equally disturbing examples from the right? This is probably part of the reason folks from either side don't want to try and explain why they feel the way they do though. Some says "I am ________ leaning because the other side does xyz" and instead of saying "i can see that, i understand why you feel that way" the reply is "well let me tell you how bad your side is". Sounds like a big game of one uppance. The problem with your analogy in this particular thread, is a poster asked for examples, at least that’s what the typed words say. So several of us gave those examples. I know I personally wasn’t doing it in a one uppance way, I was answering the question she appeared to be asking. Sad to say neither side of the political divide has a clean slate with violence, and that is disheartening and sickening to me.
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Post by lucyg on Jan 25, 2019 6:05:01 GMT
I wasn’t going to get involved in this thread, but this statement is pure insanity and I cannot stay silent. Sure, you’re right, these shootings were not on the same scale, but not the way you apparently mean. 20 people were shot and six were killed (including a child), and the Congresswoman was permanently and severely disabled, at the Gifford event. In what way is that not as horrific as the Scalise shooting? And that’s aside from the fact that you’re the one who asked for examples of comparable events. Really? I guess I might be feeling sensitive, too, if my argument was so weak. My point, very clumsily made, is that hate is not the answer and never can be. Look around and see where that is getting us. Nowhere good, that's for sure. If we don't want more of the same, we have be to willing to do something different. Perhaps listen to each other and find common ground? What a novel idea. Listening. Compromising. Coming together. Agreed. This conversation might have gone very differently if you hadn’t started with “radical left hate destroying America.”
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Post by mom26 on Jan 25, 2019 6:26:07 GMT
My point, very clumsily made, is that hate is not the answer and never can be. Look around and see where that is getting us. Nowhere good, that's for sure. If we don't want more of the same, we have be to willing to do something different. Perhaps listen to each other and find common ground? What a novel idea. Listening. Compromising. Coming together. Agreed. This conversation might have gone very differently if you hadn’t started with “radical left hate destroying America.” Yes, that was a fully charged opening, I agree. But, it is how I see things and tried to explain why to those who asked. My perception is my reality, just as your perception is your reality. In the end, though, we all have to do better and get above and beyond the bullshit. And as trite as it sounds, the warning of 'United we stand, divided we fall' is happening in real time right now.
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Post by gar on Jan 25, 2019 7:55:52 GMT
My point, very clumsily made, is that hate is not the answer and never can be. Look around and see where that is getting us. Nowhere good, that's for sure. If we don't want more of the same, we have be to willing to do something different. Perhaps listen to each other and find common ground? What a novel idea. Listening. Compromising. Coming together. Someone should mention that idea to your president. He certainly isn't leading by that example.
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Post by Zee on Jan 25, 2019 8:30:44 GMT
So, just celebrities? Because I see/hear hate all over comments sections (where brain cells go to die) and IRL from the right but I don't tend to ever hear that from liberals. *sigh* No, not just from celebrities. And if you aren't hearing it, then it's simply not registering as being wrong to you. Which means you agree with it. *dramatic message board sigh* no it doesn't and those simplistic tactics don't work on me. I'm not hearing it because I'm not hearing it and I don't listen to celebrities that endorse that kind of thing. I'm not a Trump fan or supporter but I certainly don't get behind wishing harm to him.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 25, 2019 10:09:47 GMT
Interesting because I find it far more appalling that the right wing news/pundits/blogs and their conservative followers would go after the students that survived the Parkland High School shooting. They're high school kids, for cripe's sake and they and their families have received death threats. So, want to compare? Kids that survived a school shooting vs. kids that decided it was a good idea to wear MAGA hats and act like cretins on a school trip. Any and all who ripped the Parkland kids went on instant ignore for me. It was beyond deplorable. But seriously, blaming a MAGA hat as justification for harassment and death threats? Why not go back to blaming women being raped on the 'suggestive clothes' she was wearing. Come on. Grow up and be better than that. Mags hats are the current version of the confederate flag.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 25, 2019 10:15:52 GMT
Who has said that? And surely you realize that with your original list we can find equally disturbing examples from the right? Have you not seen the Savannah Guthrie interview? She makes it a point that 'if he'd not been wearing *the hat*'. Many others have made the same suggestion. I've even seen it said here that the MAGA hat is equal to a Swastika. That's beyond nuts. And, can any of your examples be as far as a baseball field of Republicans being shot at? The trump guy Cesar Sayic who sent bombs to over 13 liberals including President Obama and HRC? How about the daily lies spewed by the potus and EVERY.SINGLE.DAY he disparages, demeaned, name calls, and is downright hateful towards Democrats. Every fucking day he tweets is bullshit.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 25, 2019 10:18:39 GMT
Also the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston where nine African Americans were gunned down by a white supremacist that I can confidentially say wasn't towing the liberal mindset. Dylan Roof was a straight up mentally disturbed human being and not a republican. Are you saying all non-left are mentally disturbed? Again with the hate. Thanks for making my point for me. You yourself have been stirring up hatred. But of course, IOKIYR...
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