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Post by Leone on Feb 17, 2019 1:48:45 GMT
The two were released. It was a hoax.
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Post by mom on Feb 17, 2019 2:10:18 GMT
I dont know if what happened is true or not. Hell, I wouldn't even know who this guy is if it weren't for him being on the news this week. BUT I did see his interview with Robin Roberts and I did not find him to be credible. Maybe the attack did happen and he 'stretched' some of the details. Maybe it didn't happen at all. Honestly I just felt like he was not being completely honest. I totally agree. He was blinking a lot, looking down. Acting. There was a body language/behaviorial specialist said that he was struck by the extra details thrown in -- said that happens a lot when people are lying. Just for fun, I looked up what a behavior expert said about the interview as I hadn't heard any of their thoughts. This was the interview I watched and they hit on a lot of what I was feeling myself.
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Post by sasha on Feb 17, 2019 2:18:42 GMT
Something to think about. What are your thoughts now SockMonkey?
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 17, 2019 2:54:04 GMT
Something to think about. What are your thoughts now SockMonkey? My thoughts are that it’ll be extremely upsetting if he fabricated this story (which hasn’t been determined yet), and he should face any consequences/fallout from that. But, it’s not an example that racism doesn’t exist and shouldn’t be used as a “but, see, it’s not that bad.”
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 17, 2019 3:26:17 GMT
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Post by sasha on Feb 17, 2019 3:55:18 GMT
What are your thoughts now SockMonkey? My thoughts are that it’ll be extremely upsetting if he fabricated this story (which hasn’t been determined yet), and he should face any consequences/fallout from that. But, it’s not an example that racism doesn’t exist and shouldn’t be used as a “but, see, it’s not that bad.” Totally agree.
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Post by zella on Feb 17, 2019 4:12:26 GMT
If what is coming out is true, and it seems the cops have some hard evidence that it is, Smollett just killed his career. For what? A few days of fame? Where the hell was his head at? Why would anyone do this, let alone someone who is on the verge of becoming a huge star? Unbelievable!
I fully expect he'll face criminal charges for this incident if there's enough evidence.
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Post by pierkiss on Feb 17, 2019 14:04:59 GMT
Why the hell would anyone make something like this up??? There’s not enough actual violence taking place in our country right now? Is he mentally ill? I cannot think one 1single reason why he would do this.
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Post by teach4u on Feb 17, 2019 14:13:07 GMT
To fuel the anti Trump sentiment and pin something on his political opponents. Look how many people said it absolutely happened and if not for Trump we wouldn’t see this typ of thing.
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 17, 2019 14:15:29 GMT
To fuel the anti Trump sentiment and pin something on his political opponents. Look how many people said it absolutely happened and if not for Trump we wouldn’t see this typ of thing. Nah. Racist shit has been happening since before we were a country and continues to happen. We don't need Trump for that. People of color really don't need to manufacture this kind of shit. It'll be disappointing if he did, but he really didn't need to do it to make a point. The point is made every day.
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Post by scrappinmama on Feb 17, 2019 16:45:06 GMT
What are your thoughts now SockMonkey? My thoughts are that it’ll be extremely upsetting if he fabricated this story (which hasn’t been determined yet), and he should face any consequences/fallout from that. But, it’s not an example that racism doesn’t exist and shouldn’t be used as a “but, see, it’s not that bad.” My thoughts exactly. I hate that victims might be taken less seriously because of his false accusations.
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Post by mrssmith on Feb 17, 2019 16:51:17 GMT
To fuel the anti Trump sentiment and pin something on his political opponents. Look how many people said it absolutely happened and if not for Trump we wouldn’t see this typ of thing. Nah. Racist shit has been happening since before we were a country and continues to happen. We don't need Trump for that. People of color really don't need to manufacture this kind of shit. It'll be disappointing if he did, but he really didn't need to do it to make a point. The point is made every day. Agree - the point is made every day and he could have used his fame to draw more attention to real cases. So disappointing.
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Post by teach4u on Feb 17, 2019 17:18:15 GMT
It seems like there's an attempt at "nothing to see here," or 'he shouldn't have done it.... but.".
I don't deny that racism exists and I don't give anyone a pass for committing actual hate crimes.
If true, this was an attempt to smear a group of people to advance an agenda- and since it's a politically correct agenda, no biggie.
On the other hand, it's ok for some to race to judge that this was "MAGA" affiliated crime, and the kids in Covington are still guilty despite most, if not all , of what the media said was fact, wasn't .
When we judge facial expressions and declare intent, we're in a sad state.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Feb 17, 2019 17:23:41 GMT
Heh. Lookee’ here. A whole ‘nother thread. There oughta’ be a law. Heh. My thoughts exactly. I hate that victims might be taken less seriously because of his false accusations. This. Look at the ever-growing and outsized preoccupation with women making false sexual abuse accusations. Hell, look at how many millions of people honestly believe Christine Ford is a craven liar. It’s totally confounding to me that belief/disbelief of victims is now so frequently mirroring political “side.” Somebody in the other thread expressed disbelief that a victim of a crime without proof would be believed at all, which I found astonishing. Yes, false accusers are scum. But so are perpetrators of real crimes. The fact that real victims will suffer because of increasing disbelief deeply disturbs me, politics or no politics.
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 17, 2019 17:59:31 GMT
It seems like there's an attempt at "nothing to see here," or 'he shouldn't have done it.... but.".
I don't deny that racism exists and I don't give anyone a pass for committing actual hate crimes.
If true, this was an attempt to smear a group of people to advance an agenda- and since it's a politically correct agenda, no biggie.
On the other hand, it's ok for some to race to judge that this was "MAGA" affiliated crime, and the kids in Covington are still guilty despite most, if not all , of what the media said was fact, wasn't .
When we judge facial expressions and declare intent, we're in a sad state.
I don't think there's a "nothing to see here" attitude here. I think if he staged all this or is lying, that's terrible and he should face consequences. I've said that on TWO threads now. Let me ask you... what's your definition of a "politically correct agenda?" What, in that sort of "agenda," are you opposed to? I'm intrigued.
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Post by *leslie* on Feb 18, 2019 23:29:20 GMT
The same day this hoax took place a Jewish man was beaten in Brooklyn. In this case the beating is on camera. Where is the media? Oh yeah, black men beating Jews doesn’t fit the narrative.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 23:38:31 GMT
It seems like there's an attempt at "nothing to see here," or 'he shouldn't have done it.... but.".
I don't deny that racism exists and I don't give anyone a pass for committing actual hate crimes.
If true, this was an attempt to smear a group of people to advance an agenda- and since it's a politically correct agenda, no biggie.
On the other hand, it's ok for some to race to judge that this was "MAGA" affiliated crime, and the kids in Covington are still guilty despite most, if not all , of what the media said was fact, wasn't .
When we judge facial expressions and declare intent, we're in a sad state.
I don't think there's a "nothing to see here" attitude here. I think if he staged all this or is lying, that's terrible and he should face consequences. I've said that on TWO threads now. Let me ask you... what's your definition of a "politically correct agenda?" What, in that sort of "agenda," are you opposed to? I'm intrigued. Yes, that horrible "politically correct agenda!" You know, be able to live in peace, marry the consenting adult you love, have kids, pay taxes, determine who can use your organs, live life, not be forced to recite verses from someone else's favorite bedtime storybook in places of public education and government, make banana splits, binge-watch Netflix. Shocking!!
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Post by peabay on Feb 18, 2019 23:59:29 GMT
The same day this hoax took place a Jewish man was beaten in Brooklyn. In this case the beating is on camera. Where is the media? Oh yeah, black men beating Jews doesn’t fit the narrative. To be fair (and this doesn't make it right), the "victim" in the first case is famous.
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Post by scrappinmama on Feb 19, 2019 0:34:58 GMT
The same day this hoax took place a Jewish man was beaten in Brooklyn. In this case the beating is on camera. Where is the media? Oh yeah, black men beating Jews doesn’t fit the narrative. That is terrible. I hope they catch them. Did the victim survive? Not every story is going to be covered. Ever notice how missing little Caucasian children get more coverage than missing minority children? It's messed up and I wish I could change that. I wish innocent people didn't get targeted for a crime.
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 19, 2019 0:43:19 GMT
The same day this hoax took place a Jewish man was beaten in Brooklyn. In this case the beating is on camera. Where is the media? Oh yeah, black men beating Jews doesn’t fit the narrative. What is “the narrative?” Whose “narrative?”
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Post by flanz on Feb 19, 2019 0:58:40 GMT
I'm disgusted by the actions of J. Smollett. Agree with you, OP, shit like this harms actual victims of hate crimes. GRRRR!
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Post by dewryce on Feb 19, 2019 1:25:28 GMT
The same day this hoax took place a Jewish man was beaten in Brooklyn. In this case the beating is on camera. Where is the media? Oh yeah, black men beating Jews doesn’t fit the narrative. I think it’s fairly uncommon for most attacks to make the national news isn’t it? But in the case of the original attack there was a famous actor involved so I can see why that one got the attention it did.
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 19, 2019 1:35:41 GMT
The same day this hoax took place a Jewish man was beaten in Brooklyn. In this case the beating is on camera. Where is the media? Oh yeah, black men beating Jews doesn’t fit the narrative. I think it’s fairly uncommon for most attacks to make the national news isn’t it? But in the case of the original attack there was a famous actor involved so I can see why that one got the attention it did. Agreed. On the same day, I could find at least two stories of women being murdered by partners. Yet, we are not having a national conversation about domestic violence because of them. Probably because they’re not famous. Sad, but true.
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Post by teach4u on Feb 19, 2019 1:38:30 GMT
And Anti Semitic crimes aren't "cool" to talk about. We have numerous threads about women attacked by partners. the fact is, some people won't/don't speak out about anti Jewish hate crime. Somethings never change
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 19, 2019 2:12:04 GMT
And Anti Semitic crimes aren't "cool" to talk about. We have numerous threads about women attacked by partners. the fact is, some people won't/don't speak out about anti Jewish hate crime. Somethings never change That’s quite the broad generalization, and quite unfair, I think. Would you mind answering my question about the “politically correct agenda” you referred to earlier?
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Post by *leslie* on Feb 19, 2019 3:21:54 GMT
What is disgusting about Smollett is before he found out that the police had the two Nigerians he hired in custody, he was going to sign the complaint. In other words, he was willing to testify against two innocent men.
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Post by *leslie* on Feb 19, 2019 3:28:48 GMT
And Anti Semitic crimes aren't "cool" to talk about. Yes, Jews are low on intersectionality hierarchy yet FBI stats show the crimes against Jews are growing.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 19, 2019 3:35:05 GMT
What is disgusting about Smollett is before he found out that the police had the two Nigerians he hired in custody, he was going to sign the complaint. In other words, he was willing to testify against two innocent men. I would not agree that the two men were innocent in all this—if what is being reported now is true, they both conspired to commit this “crime” and were paid to do so.
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Post by *leslie* on Feb 19, 2019 3:39:56 GMT
What is disgusting about Smollett is before he found out that the police had the two Nigerians he hired in custody, he was going to sign the complaint. In other words, he was willing to testify against two innocent men. I would not agree that the two men were innocent in all this—if what is being reported now is true, they both conspired to commit this “crime” and were paid to do so. You don’t understand my post. He didn’t know the police had the guys he hired. He thought they had two random guys and he was willing the press charges and testify even if they were innocent.
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 19, 2019 4:14:50 GMT
And Anti Semitic crimes aren't "cool" to talk about. Yes, Jews are low on intersectionality hierarchy yet FBI stats show the crimes against Jews are growing. All hate crimes are up, yes. That is NOT good, and of great concern. It always has been. And please don’t use the word intersectionality unless you understand what it means. Here’s a good thread that explains it.
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