MsKnit
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Jun 26, 2014 19:06:42 GMT
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Post by MsKnit on Feb 1, 2019 17:45:13 GMT
there's so many good choices I don't know who to pick in the primary yet? Kamala, Cory, or Elizabeth Warren? I have always wondered about Cory not being married. There's very few Congressman who aren't. Crazy Graham comes to mind, I think he's in the closet. I think he'll totally play that card! Of all the things to think about Cory Booker, may I ask why his sexuality is the one you’re focusing on? Democrats don't care about this issue. Many Repubs do. When choosing a Dem presidential candidate, if you want the Repubs who are unhappy with the asshole in the WH to vote Dem, you need someone that is, um, well, white male. A woman may have a chance, depending on the woman. However, if a too far left or not objectionable via lifestyle. Quite frankly, a gay black man as the Dem Presidential candidate is handing the Cheeto another 4 years. The Dems need to remember that we are more accepting of differences. Seriously, I would love for a Cory Booker to win the WH. Unfortunately, the racists and bigots are out and proud and running rampant. They will flock to the polls again, just like with Hillary, only worse. Yes, I have zero faith in a large majority of my fellow Americans. ETA: I do not believe being gay is a lifestyle. Using that terminology because that is the viewpoint that comes from the right.
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Post by papersilly on Feb 1, 2019 17:59:12 GMT
Ms Harris need to rethink her strategies. She can not keep blasting the Cheeto. Nor can she focus on mainly health care. i totally agree. nothing will rally his base more than feeling like they are under attack and must defend their leader. uggg. also, her "medicare of for all" may be her Trump's Wall if she makes that the crux of her campaign.
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 1, 2019 18:24:34 GMT
I think everyone needs to remember that most campaigns start on positions that lean toward the extremes and typically slowly come more center as the election gets closer. Let's not panic.
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Post by ilikepink on Feb 1, 2019 18:44:08 GMT
I met Corey Booker many years ago, just after he became mayor of Newark, and was very impressed by him. Have complete confidence that he would make an excellent president. Can he get elected? Probably not. And with so many early people to look at, I’m afraid none of them will get enough attention for us to really look at.
Gonna be a long haul.
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Post by karinec on Feb 1, 2019 19:00:33 GMT
I'm glad he has his hat in the race, he was the one person I was hoping would run. I've heard he takes a lot of money from big pharma but I want to investigate that for myself. I'm not crazy about the number of Dem candidates though.
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Post by hop2 on Feb 1, 2019 22:00:07 GMT
Years ago I was a fan of Bernie ( not necessarily for president) but I am so over his grab for the presidency. He should just go the hell away or he will screw the Democrats again in the next election. I also really like Joe Biden as a person and a representative but don't want him to run. It is time for younger, fresher candidate. I think Elizabeth Warren would make an excellent president but I am uncertain that she could win the election. At this point Kamala Harris has my vote but it is a long time until the primaries and things may change a lot by then. I will absolutely 100% vote for the Democratic candidate whoever that is. Did Bernie go back to being an independent after he lost the primary? If yes, then the Democrats ought to have some sense that he isn’t actually a democrat. However, Bernie is my least favorite candidate and while he is better than Trump, he is also somewhat out of touch with reality. Slew of other candidates can create the situation where the nominee is Bernie. And if your putting someone that far left into the White House you will stop and ground the donocrats have gained in the house & senate. He is the worst choice y’all could come up with if y’all want control back from the Republicans. A crowded field might just be the Dems worst nightmare.
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Post by hop2 on Feb 1, 2019 22:03:27 GMT
there's so many good choices I don't know who to pick in the primary yet? Kamala, Cory, or Elizabeth Warren? I have always wondered about Cory not being married. There's very few Congressman who aren't. Crazy Graham comes to mind, I think he's in the closet. I think he'll totally play that card! Why on earth is Booker's marital status or sexual orientation an issue and why would you wonder about it? I wonder about each candidates ability to handle the office they are running for but not who they are sleeping with. I don’t care if Booker is married or why or why not. Who cares. But I’ll give him this: Booker would have walked shoeless to the American cemetery in France for Veterans Day rather than miss the photo op. Guaranteed. So there is that.
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Post by femalebusiness on Feb 1, 2019 22:05:18 GMT
Years ago I was a fan of Bernie ( not necessarily for president) but I am so over his grab for the presidency. He should just go the hell away or he will screw the Democrats again in the next election. I also really like Joe Biden as a person and a representative but don't want him to run. It is time for younger, fresher candidate. I think Elizabeth Warren would make an excellent president but I am uncertain that she could win the election. At this point Kamala Harris has my vote but it is a long time until the primaries and things may change a lot by then. I will absolutely 100% vote for the Democratic candidate whoever that is. Did Bernie go back to being an independent after he lost the primary? If yes, then the Democrats ought to have some sense that he isn’t actually a democrat. However, Bernie is my least favorite candidate and while he is better than Trump, he is also somewhat out of touch with reality. Slew of other candidates can create the situation where the nominee is Bernie. And if your putting someone that far left into the White House you will stop and ground the donocrats have gained in the house & senate. He is the worst choice y’all could come up with if y’all want control back from the Republicans. A crowded field might just be the Dems worst nightmare. I don't know what his party affiliation is these days but the older he gets the less I like him. I want him to go away.
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Post by peano on Feb 1, 2019 22:09:06 GMT
I know very little about any of the candidates so far beyond superficial exposure in the press. I keep focusing on who I think is electable. I like Elizabeth Warren, but I don’t think she’s electable. I don’t know if Cory Booker is electable either, not only because of his race, but because he’s gotten the reputation of a showboat.
At this early date, based upon nothing but tv interviews (so no in-depth knowledge of where they stand on the issues) and how they present themselves, (and neither has formally thrown in their hat) I like Sherrod Brown and I like Amy Klobuchar. They don’t seem to have any baggage and they both seem to have a calm and steady Midwestern sensibility that I think will play well to an America exhausted after four years of chaos and turmoil.
I think Beto and Joe Kennedy are future possibilities but not for 2020.
ETA: And just to bolster my opinion, I just finished reading this in the WaPo:
From a new feature series called Post Pundit 2020 Power Ranking ...I generally subscribe to the David Axelrod axiom that voters don’t look for a replica; they look for a remedy.
So forget the celebrities and billionaires with no governing experience. After four years of Donald Trump, voters will be looking for a solid record — though not necessarily one inside the Beltway — and an even temperament. Boring may be beautiful in 2020. Yes, the base is fired up. But mostly, Democrats want someone who can win.
Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) is a star inquisitor in Senate hearings, and that might translate well when it comes to pressing the case against Trump.
Right now, however, my pick for the most interesting candidate-to-be is Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio). He’s seasoned, a little on the bland side for a populist, and most importantly, a Democrat who knows how to win in a swing state that became Trump Country in 2016. His “Dignity of Work” swing through Iowa is a pitch-perfect way to start.
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Mystie
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Jun 25, 2014 19:53:37 GMT
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Post by Mystie on Feb 2, 2019 0:30:12 GMT
@peano I totally agree with you about Kobluchar and Brown. I'm a huge fan of Senator Brown. I've said it before and I'll try not to say it again, but I really feel it will take a white male candidate to beat Trump. It makes me mad and sad to say that, but I do believe it. And Brown is one of the good ones. He's sensible and steady, which I think might appeal to the few Republicans who are queasy about Trump's lack of those qualities. We have to sway some of those people, or the electoral college will hand it to Trump again.
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Post by Tamhugh on Feb 2, 2019 4:16:28 GMT
there's so many good choices I don't know who to pick in the primary yet? Kamala, Cory, or Elizabeth Warren? I have always wondered about Cory not being married. There's very few Congressman who aren't. Crazy Graham comes to mind, I think he's in the closet. I think he'll totally play that card! Why on earth is Booker's marital status or sexual orientation an issue and why would you wonder about it? I wonder about each candidates ability to handle the office they are running for but not who they are sleeping with. Maybe I am too jaded in a MAGA world, but I do think the rumors about him would hurt him in a presidential bid. I hope that I am wrong about that. I like him a lot, and at this point he would be my choice among the candidates. However, since he has always been coy and private about his love life, the fact that he is suddenly making appearances with different women made me immediately think he would be announcing his bid soon.
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Sarah*H
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Jun 25, 2014 20:07:06 GMT
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Post by Sarah*H on Feb 2, 2019 4:28:45 GMT
Corey Booker is forced to tell the world he is straightThere. It's embarrassing in 2019 this is even an issue. Hey, Pete Buttigieg is also running for President and he is married to a man. Does anyone really care about that? Why does it matter for Corey? I'm not going to spend one second worrying about electability. Did anyone think Trump was electable? And yet here we are. I'm going to pick a candidate to support in the primaries and then I'm going to vote for whoever gets the nomination and I'm going to keep my mouth shut about whatever characteristics that candidate has that may not be to my liking because the alternative is Donald Trump. And there are several candidates I despise but they are better than Trump. Koko the Gorilla would have done a better job than Donald Trump. A non-sentient pile of dog excrement would do a better job than Donald Trump. Compared to Donald Trump, Corey is electable even if he has all of the bad shallow, vain characteristics people say about him. Plus he's hot
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 2, 2019 13:51:23 GMT
As a white woman, I’m just going to say it loud for the people in the back, FUCK TRYING TO GET A WHITE MAN ELECTED TO APPEASE THE RACISTS.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 2, 2019 15:24:16 GMT
As a white woman, I’m just going to say it loud for the people in the back, FUCK TRYING TO GET A WHITE MAN ELECTED TO APPEASE THE RACISTS. Don't forget the misogynists.
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 2, 2019 16:06:00 GMT
I will not vote for Booker in a primary and hope he does not get the nomination. He is anti-public school and does not support public school teachers.
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 2, 2019 16:06:32 GMT
As a white woman, I’m just going to say it loud for the people in the back, FUCK TRYING TO GET A WHITE MAN ELECTED TO APPEASE THE RACISTS. Don't forget the misogynists. True, true.
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Post by femalebusiness on Feb 2, 2019 18:28:03 GMT
I will not vote for Booker in a primary and hope he does not get the nomination. He is anti-public school and does not support public school teachers. I would have a very hard time voting for anyone who does not fully support our public school system.
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Mystie
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Post by Mystie on Feb 2, 2019 18:57:48 GMT
As a white woman, I’m just going to say it loud for the people in the back, FUCK TRYING TO GET A WHITE MAN ELECTED TO APPEASE THE RACISTS. Then strap yourself in for four more years of Trump and Pence. Because the racists and the misogynists are in charge now.
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 2, 2019 19:30:47 GMT
As a white woman, I’m just going to say it loud for the people in the back, FUCK TRYING TO GET A WHITE MAN ELECTED TO APPEASE THE RACISTS. Then strap yourself in for four more years of Trump and Pence. Because the racists and the misogynists are in charge now. No, they aren't. So said the popular vote, and so said the midterm elections. Gather the white women, fam, and let's get this shit done.
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Post by alsomsknit on Feb 2, 2019 20:36:57 GMT
Then strap yourself in for four more years of Trump and Pence. Because the racists and the misogynists are in charge now. No, they aren't. So said the popular vote, and so said the midterm elections. Gather the white women, fam, and let's get this shit done. And, yet, Trump won the WH. Those midterm elections had Dems squeaking out wins not total landslides. The Repubs got away with shit to win elections—Hello, GA and whatever Northern state that screwed over the indigenous population. People complained. What was done about it? Not a damn thing. 2020 is going to be a fight, to be sure. #1 priority should be to get Trump ousted. Gather the white women...Seriously? How many of them voted for Trump? Despite his despicable behavior toward women and views about women. Have you been paying attention? *smh*
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 2, 2019 22:20:21 GMT
No, they aren't. So said the popular vote, and so said the midterm elections. Gather the white women, fam, and let's get this shit done. And, yet, Trump won the WH. Those midterm elections had Dems squeaking out wins not total landslides. The Repubs got away with shit to win elections—Hello, GA and whatever Northern state that screwed over the indigenous population. People complained. What was done about it? Not a damn thing. 2020 is going to be a fight, to be sure. #1 priority should be to get Trump ousted. Gather the white women...Seriously? How many of them voted for Trump? Despite his despicable behavior toward women and views about women. Have you been paying attention? *smh* 52%, yes. But if you read some of people's posts here, some of those women are changing their minds. It's not outside the realm of possibility. My fear is that if the Democratic party decides they can win only with an old white man (yet again), that we will lose the young vote and the votes of people of color, who overwhelmingly voted for Hillary. I fear that they will see themselves unrepresented yet again, and will just sit out. We need to MOBILIZE voters where it matters and work hard to fight voter suppression, because THAT will be one of our biggest challenges in the 2020 election. No need to shake your head at me. I'm not stupid, and I am paying attention. We need to run the candidate who most likely can beat Trump, and I do NOT think that needs to be a white man. My opinion.
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 2, 2019 23:20:58 GMT
And, yet, Trump won the WH. Those midterm elections had Dems squeaking out wins not total landslides. The Repubs got away with shit to win elections—Hello, GA and whatever Northern state that screwed over the indigenous population. People complained. What was done about it? Not a damn thing. 2020 is going to be a fight, to be sure. #1 priority should be to get Trump ousted. Gather the white women...Seriously? How many of them voted for Trump? Despite his despicable behavior toward women and views about women. Have you been paying attention? *smh* 52%, yes. But if you read some of people's posts here, some of those women are changing their minds. It's not outside the realm of possibility. My fear is that if the Democratic party decides they can win only with an old white man (yet again), that we will lose the young vote and the votes of people of color, who overwhelmingly voted for Hillary. I fear that they will see themselves unrepresented yet again, and will just sit out. We need to MOBILIZE voters where it matters and work hard to fight voter suppression, because THAT will be one of our biggest challenges in the 2020 election. No need to shake your head at me. I'm not stupid, and I am paying attention. We need to run the candidate who most likely can beat Trump, and I do NOT think that needs to be a white man. My opinion. as long as the non white man does not ignore the white male voter. I think that was part of the problem last time.
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Mystie
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Post by Mystie on Feb 3, 2019 0:16:28 GMT
And, yet, Trump won the WH. Those midterm elections had Dems squeaking out wins not total landslides. The Repubs got away with shit to win elections—Hello, GA and whatever Northern state that screwed over the indigenous population. People complained. What was done about it? Not a damn thing. 2020 is going to be a fight, to be sure. #1 priority should be to get Trump ousted. Gather the white women...Seriously? How many of them voted for Trump? Despite his despicable behavior toward women and views about women. Have you been paying attention? *smh* 52%, yes. But if you read some of people's posts here, some of those women are changing their minds. It's not outside the realm of possibility. My fear is that if the Democratic party decides they can win only with an old white man (yet again), that we will lose the young vote and the votes of people of color, who overwhelmingly voted for Hillary. I fear that they will see themselves unrepresented yet again, and will just sit out. We need to MOBILIZE voters where it matters and work hard to fight voter suppression, because THAT will be one of our biggest challenges in the 2020 election. No need to shake your head at me. I'm not stupid, and I am paying attention. We need to run the candidate who most likely can beat Trump, and I do NOT think that needs to be a white man. My opinion. I really do hope you're right, and I appreciate your optimism. Mine is sort of low.
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samantha25
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Post by samantha25 on Feb 3, 2019 0:26:12 GMT
It's not fair to say that Trump won the WH... because in the end (after many years) he "won" by cheating and lying with many major players involved. There's no other way. I believe this.
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 3, 2019 1:24:22 GMT
It's not fair to say that Trump won the WH... because in the end (after many years) he "won" by cheating and lying with many major players involved. There's no other way. I believe this. without knowing exactly how Russia meddles, I don't know that it matters in the upcoming elections. The trumpers will he trumpers whether Russian meddles again or not. The Democrat haters will be Democrat haters whether Russian meddles again or not. The racists.... you get the picture. I don't have faith in our voters anymore and I want someone who will win and govern ethically and if that is a straight, white, christian Male, then I am all for it.
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 3, 2019 3:49:41 GMT
52%, yes. But if you read some of people's posts here, some of those women are changing their minds. It's not outside the realm of possibility. My fear is that if the Democratic party decides they can win only with an old white man (yet again), that we will lose the young vote and the votes of people of color, who overwhelmingly voted for Hillary. I fear that they will see themselves unrepresented yet again, and will just sit out. We need to MOBILIZE voters where it matters and work hard to fight voter suppression, because THAT will be one of our biggest challenges in the 2020 election. No need to shake your head at me. I'm not stupid, and I am paying attention. We need to run the candidate who most likely can beat Trump, and I do NOT think that needs to be a white man. My opinion. I really do hope you're right, and I appreciate your optimism. Mine is sort of low. I totally understand. I do. And, my optimism wavers on the regular! I just think it's supremely dangerous to count out women and people of color in this race. I think if this election is a referendum on Trump, we should be looking at who represents the opposite of what he does. That just might be a white man, but I don't think we should turn away from other candidates because we think they're unelectable.
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 3, 2019 3:51:14 GMT
I will not vote for Booker in a primary and hope he does not get the nomination. He is anti-public school and does not support public school teachers. That's how I feel, too. Thank u, next. He's got the charisma, for sure, but I HATE his positions on public ed.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 3, 2019 9:34:27 GMT
It's not fair to say that Trump won the WH... because in the end (after many years) he "won" by cheating and lying with many major players involved. There's no other way. I believe this. without knowing exactly how Russia meddles, I don't know that it matters in the upcoming elections. The trumpers will he trumpers whether Russian meddles again or not. The Democrat haters will be Democrat haters whether Russian meddles again or not. The racists.... you get the picture. I don't have faith in our voters anymore and I want someone who will win and govern ethically and if that is a straight, white, christian Male, then I am all for it. I think more that it’s not so much as knowing that there was foreign interference in his he election—-there is just not anything being done about it. We have a potus and gop who are denying it, and won’t do anything to stop it from happening again.
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snowdie
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Dec 30, 2018 4:45:59 GMT
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Post by snowdie on Feb 6, 2019 3:29:08 GMT
I would vote for Joe Kennedy III if he would run and I think he would appeal to many demographics and one Republicans would vote for too
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