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Post by dewryce on Feb 3, 2019 3:44:34 GMT
If I think it says a lot about you if you can’t easily answer the question of whether or not you ever wore a KKK uniform with an immediate and resounding “NO!” rather than purposefully misleading with a non-answer.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 3, 2019 3:53:33 GMT
He did not say that?!!?! - Off to find a transcript. Darcy Collins Also check the video, about 1:55 he says it..............
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Post by leftturnonly on Feb 3, 2019 4:02:05 GMT
So sad and deflated that the liberals agreed with them that they had to dig around and pull another rabbit out of their hat at random. “I know, let’s make this about abortion! Which has nothing to do with the racist pictures or the fuck-show of a press conference, but is a topic that always draws out the frothing at the mouth conservatives and will get the pea bat phone ringing.” I am happy to talk about abortion, as I have done many times here on the board. (I'm firmly in the middle, for all those who don't remember or don't care.) I think that the timing of the release of the photo was not co-incidental, and that it was related to what the governor said about abortion. However, that said, that issue needs to be separated from both the photo and how Northam has handled himself since people became aware of it. The photo is not OK. It wasn't OK to dress in either costume when it was taken. It wasn't OK in a med school yearbook as a representation of the student. And, more importantly, it is not OK to waver about as a present governor of a southern state. I'm definitely one of the more conservative people on this board and I am unequivocal on this. No phone ringing here. No messages lurking in my pmail. There's some serious misjudgments going on on this board.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 19:39:21 GMT
What seems disingenuous is spinning it so that a medical need for an abortion is on the same level as couldn't be bothered to do anything to prevent a pregnancy I didn't want. Even your last sentence contradicts your spin, as it differentiates between the 2. Abortion is not birth control, shouldn't be used in that way and we generally all used to be in agreement with that. Now we're encouraged to flaunt it and be proud of choosing it even if you DO use it irresponsibly. (yes, I know, not all unwanted pregnancies are from lack of prevention, but it's the ones that are that I take issue with putting them on the same level as a medical need for one) I think an unwanted pregnancy is every bit as valid a reason to get an abortion as a life threatening pregnancy complication or fetal anomaly is. You're just fine with people being irresponsible and using abortion to fix their irresponsibility? Because that's "a happy go lucky decision or merely a flippant lifestyle choice" that I was responding to when slkone said she couldn't imagine why pro-life people think that or support that.
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Post by mustlovecats on Feb 3, 2019 19:46:22 GMT
I think an unwanted pregnancy is every bit as valid a reason to get an abortion as a life threatening pregnancy complication or fetal anomaly is. You're just fine with people being irresponsible and using abortion to fix their irresponsibility? Because that's "a happy go lucky decision or merely a flippant lifestyle choice" that I was responding to when slkone said she couldn't imagine why pro-life people think that or support that. You’re assuming getting pregnant when you don’t want to be is irresponsible. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. I’m sure some people are irresponsible. I’m sure others aren’t. As I said before, the availability of birth control has led the abortion rate to post-Roe lows. But this responsible/irresponsible thought process leads to the judgment of individual circumstances, and to me that is not an inherently pro-choice position. I don’t live other women’s lives or know their circumstances, I believe that I should trust women to make the best decisions they can in their own circumstances and with their own doctors. That is far from flippant, that is simply placing the burden of the decision in the hands of those who have the right to make it.
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 3, 2019 19:55:54 GMT
So sad and deflated that the liberals agreed with them that they had to dig around and pull another rabbit out of their hat at random. “I know, let’s make this about abortion! Which has nothing to do with the racist pictures or the fuck-show of a press conference, but is a topic that always draws out the frothing at the mouth conservatives and will get the pea bat phone ringing.” I am happy to talk about abortion, as I have done many times here on the board. (I'm firmly in the middle, for all those who don't remember or don't care.) I think that the timing of the release of the photo was not co-incidental, and that it was related to what the governor said about abortion. However, that said, that issue needs to be separated from both the photo and how Northam has handled himself since people became aware of it. The photo is not OK. It wasn't OK to dress in either costume when it was taken. It wasn't OK in a med school yearbook as a representation of the student. And, more importantly, it is not OK to waver about as a present governor of a southern state. I'm definitely one of the more conservative people on this board and I am unequivocal on this. No phone ringing here. No messages lurking in my pmail. There's some serious misjudgments going on on this board. First of all, regardless of WHY the picture was dragged out, it's out and Northam needs to resign. No equivocation. I'd like to comment, however, on the timing. Now I'm reading that Trump is going to talk about abortion in his SOU. Why is abortion, which has been in relative decline and has been reported by the CDC to be at a decade low point, going to be addressed with all the other issues that need discussing? Will he discuss the ways in which high quality health care, including contraception, for women contribute to this low? Will RACISM be discussed in the SOU? Will white nationalism? Will gun control? What gets talked about and what doesn't will tell me whether or not the State of the Union will be about a 2020 campaign speech for Trump. I look forward to Stacey Abrams's response on behalf the Democrats.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 3, 2019 20:18:25 GMT
What gets talked about and what doesn't will tell me whether or not the State of the Union will be about a 2020 campaign speech for Trump. With your comments I do think he will talk to rile up his base, that seems his only goal other than personal gain.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 21:16:20 GMT
You're just fine with people being irresponsible and using abortion to fix their irresponsibility? Because that's "a happy go lucky decision or merely a flippant lifestyle choice" that I was responding to when slkone said she couldn't imagine why pro-life people think that or support that. You’re assuming getting pregnant when you don’t want to be is irresponsible. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. I’m sure some people are irresponsible. I’m sure others aren’t. As I said before, the availability of birth control has led the abortion rate to post-Roe lows. But this responsible/irresponsible thought process leads to the judgment of individual circumstances, and to me that is not an inherently pro-choice position. I don’t live other women’s lives or know their circumstances, I believe that I should trust women to make the best decisions they can in their own circumstances and with their own doctors. That is far from flippant, that is simply placing the burden of the decision in the hands of those who have the right to make it. In the case of those that give no thought to pregnancy prevention and use abortion AS prevention, that IS irresponsible. As slkone says she can't figure out why pro-life people would think that any pro-choice people would think that it isn't irresponsible, you're debating that it might not be irresponsible to use abortion as pregnancy prevention. So there we are. There's where people get that idea about pro-choice people thinking that slkone. The fact that abortion rates are going down is something we can all agree is a good thing and so it can be a nice end to this conversation at least.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 3, 2019 21:26:25 GMT
The notion that lots of women are using abortion as birth control is pretty ridiculous.
It’s expensive, it’s traumatic to your body, requires medical procedures/hospital stays.
It’s ridiculous to think that women are using abortion as birth control.
And I’ll throw this in—abortion is still legal.
What a woman chooses for her body/her life is none of anyone’s fucking business but her own.
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Post by mustlovecats on Feb 3, 2019 21:34:37 GMT
You’re assuming getting pregnant when you don’t want to be is irresponsible. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. I’m sure some people are irresponsible. I’m sure others aren’t. As I said before, the availability of birth control has led the abortion rate to post-Roe lows. But this responsible/irresponsible thought process leads to the judgment of individual circumstances, and to me that is not an inherently pro-choice position. I don’t live other women’s lives or know their circumstances, I believe that I should trust women to make the best decisions they can in their own circumstances and with their own doctors. That is far from flippant, that is simply placing the burden of the decision in the hands of those who have the right to make it. In the case of those that give no thought to pregnancy prevention and use abortion AS prevention, that IS irresponsible. As slkone says she can't figure out why pro-life people would think that any pro-choice people would think that it isn't irresponsible, you're debating that it might not be irresponsible to use abortion as pregnancy prevention. So there we are. There's where people get that idea about pro-choice people thinking that slkone. The fact that abortion rates are going down is something we can all agree is a good thing and so it can be a nice end to this conversation at least. Actually you are misquoting me. I did not say anything about people giving no thought to pregnancy prevention. I said that I do not assume that people who become pregnant unintentionally, did so by being irresponsible. I rejected your narrative. In reality some people who become pregnant unintentionally were probably responsible and some probably weren’t, this is true of most of life’s varied scenarios. It’s just that I don’t believe that a woman’s right to make medical decisions with her doctors is at all mitigated by what she was thinking when she became pregnant.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 22:30:49 GMT
In the case of those that give no thought to pregnancy prevention and use abortion AS prevention, that IS irresponsible. As slkone says she can't figure out why pro-life people would think that any pro-choice people would think that it isn't irresponsible, you're debating that it might not be irresponsible to use abortion as pregnancy prevention. So there we are. There's where people get that idea about pro-choice people thinking that slkone . The fact that abortion rates are going down is something we can all agree is a good thing and so it can be a nice end to this conversation at least. Actually you are misquoting me. I did not say anything about people giving no thought to pregnancy prevention. I said that I do not assume that people who become pregnant unintentionally, did so by being irresponsible. I rejected your narrative. In reality some people who become pregnant unintentionally were probably responsible and some probably weren’t, this is true of most of life’s varied scenarios. It’s just that I don’t believe that a woman’s right to make medical decisions with her doctors is at all mitigated by what she was thinking when she became pregnant. My apologies for misquoting you. I attempted a few times to clarify what your point was and that's what I got from what you said. Sorry for misunderstanding you. I looked it up and the statistics say that just over half were using birth control when they got pregnant and went for an abortion. That leaves almost half that weren't. By the numbers, that's a lot of women not using pregnancy prevention and using abortion as their method of birth control. I don't disagree with a woman's right to make a decision with her doctor, but that doesn't mean I agree with her decision to be irresponsible in preventing pregnancy and use abortion as birth control. I think that's wrong. That old adage, just because you can doesn't mean you should, comes to mind. IMO
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 3, 2019 22:41:51 GMT
Actually you are misquoting me. I did not say anything about people giving no thought to pregnancy prevention. I said that I do not assume that people who become pregnant unintentionally, did so by being irresponsible. I rejected your narrative. In reality some people who become pregnant unintentionally were probably responsible and some probably weren’t, this is true of most of life’s varied scenarios. It’s just that I don’t believe that a woman’s right to make medical decisions with her doctors is at all mitigated by what she was thinking when she became pregnant. My apologies for misquoting you. I attempted a few times to clarify what your point was and that's what I got from what you said. Sorry for misunderstanding you. I looked it up and the statistics say that just over half were using birth control when they got pregnant and went for an abortion. That leaves almost half that weren't. By the numbers, that's a lot of women not using pregnancy prevention and using abortion as their method of birth control. I don't disagree with a woman's right to make a decision with her doctor, but that doesn't mean I agree with her decision to be irresponsible in preventing pregnancy and use abortion as birth control. I think that's wrong. That old adage, just because you can doesn't mean you should, comes to mind. IMO As it’s your right to feel that way for yourself, imposing your beliefs upon those who don’t is wrong. Abortion is legal. Reasons why women choose it—no one’s business but her own.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 22:57:45 GMT
My apologies for misquoting you. I attempted a few times to clarify what your point was and that's what I got from what you said. Sorry for misunderstanding you. I looked it up and the statistics say that just over half were using birth control when they got pregnant and went for an abortion. That leaves almost half that weren't. By the numbers, that's a lot of women not using pregnancy prevention and using abortion as their method of birth control. I don't disagree with a woman's right to make a decision with her doctor, but that doesn't mean I agree with her decision to be irresponsible in preventing pregnancy and use abortion as birth control. I think that's wrong. That old adage, just because you can doesn't mean you should, comes to mind. IMO As it’s your right to feel that way for yourself, imposing your beliefs upon those who don’t is wrong. Abortion is legal. Reasons why women choose it—no one’s business but her own. Since I'm not imposing my beliefs on anyone we don't have a problem. As far as their reasons are no one's business, with the hashtag SHOUT YOUR ABORTION tens of thousands of women have made their reasons everyone's business.
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Post by mustlovecats on Feb 3, 2019 23:25:08 GMT
As it’s your right to feel that way for yourself, imposing your beliefs upon those who don’t is wrong. Abortion is legal. Reasons why women choose it—no one’s business but her own. Since I'm not imposing my beliefs on anyone we don't have a problem. As far as their reasons are no one's business, with the hashtag SHOUT YOUR ABORTION tens of thousands of women have made their reasons everyone's business. I am in solidarity with women who say they made a choice on their own terms and won’t apologize for it, don’t feel shame about it. Which is all “Shout Your Abortion” really is. I think women have apologized for their abortions for a long time and culture has imposed this kind of narrative around it, and I respect women who say no, I made this choice because it’s right for me and it was on my terms and I’m not ashamed of it. I respect people telling their own stories even though people will go tut-tut at them and wonder if they had been irresponsible.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 0:06:36 GMT
Now this thread has become about abortion, too? Man. I guess anything to avoid talking about racism. Or is it that too many people agreed that the governor should resign, so a new fight was needed? Just... gross. It wasn't any right leaning pea that brought abortion to this thread, so if anyone was using it to start a new fight on this thread...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 0:13:27 GMT
Since I'm not imposing my beliefs on anyone we don't have a problem. As far as their reasons are no one's business, with the hashtag SHOUT YOUR ABORTION tens of thousands of women have made their reasons everyone's business. I am in solidarity with women who say they made a choice on their own terms and won’t apologize for it, don’t feel shame about it. Which is all “Shout Your Abortion” really is. I think women have apologized for their abortions for a long time and culture has imposed this kind of narrative around it, and I respect women who say no, I made this choice because it’s right for me and it was on my terms and I’m not ashamed of it. I respect people telling their own stories even though people will go tut-tut at them and wonder if they had been irresponsible. That's great. That's a lot different than the previous claim that's it's nobody's business, though.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 4, 2019 0:30:01 GMT
As it’s your right to feel that way for yourself, imposing your beliefs upon those who don’t is wrong. Abortion is legal. Reasons why women choose it—no one’s business but her own. Since I'm not imposing my beliefs on anyone we don't have a problem. As far as their reasons are no one's business, with the hashtag SHOUT YOUR ABORTION tens of thousands of women have made their reasons everyone's business. More like they have stood up to the stigma pushed upon them by a bunch of religious/conservative/pro-lifers. They aren’t shouting out the details of their medical procedures, they are standing up for their legal rights. Their reasons are moot—abortion is legal. It’s a shame that women who have made the choice to abort have to explain themselves. The demand to do so and attacks from the religious/conservatives/pro-life groups who use abortion as a political commodity each and every election cycle. Women don’t owe anyone explanations as to what they’ve chosen to do with their body. It’s a shame that it’s being used as a political soapbox.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 4, 2019 0:48:54 GMT
Now this thread has become about abortion, too? Man. I guess anything to avoid talking about racism. Or is it that too many people agreed that the governor should resign, so a new fight was needed? Just... gross. I’ll ask again...crickets last time! So, should Steve King-IA resign?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 1:04:54 GMT
I have a question that I’m going to ask and by doing so I’m probably going to get my ass handed to me but I’m going to ask the question anyway.
I know nothing about this man. There is no question he messed up in his responses to this picture turning up.
My question. Is this man a racist? Or he did something stupid/insensitive 30+ years ago. In other words, does he have a history of being a racist? I would think in 30+ years he would have said or committed other racists acts during that time.
Or if this is the one thing that he has done, and that includes dressing up as Michael Jackson including a black face, and because of that there is a demand that he play a high price for it. Even though for 30+ years since there was nothing that he had done that would be considered racist?
If that was the only racist thing he did, meaning there is no history of other racist comments and acts in 30+ years, are we at that point of intolerance? If we are, is that healthy for the country?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 1:06:39 GMT
Now this thread has become about abortion, too? Man. I guess anything to avoid talking about racism. Or is it that too many people agreed that the governor should resign, so a new fight was needed? Just... gross. It wasn't any right leaning pea that brought abortion to this thread, so if anyone was using it to start a new fight on this thread... I think you'll find it was. Try reading page 1 again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 1:08:33 GMT
I have a question that I’m going to ask and by doing so I’m probably going to get my ass handed to me but I’m going to ask the question anyway. I know nothing about this man. There is no question he messed up in his responses to this picture turning up. My question. Is this man a racist? Or he did something stupid/insensitive 30+ years ago. In other words, does he have a history of being a racist? I would think in 30+ years he would have said or committed other racists acts during that time. Or if this is the one thing that he has done, and that includes dressing up as Michael Jackson including a black face, and because of that there is a demand that he play a high price for it. Even though for 30+ years since there was nothing that he had done that would be considered racist? If that was the only racist thing he did, meaning there is no history of other racist comments and acts in 30+ years, are we at that point of intolerance? If we are, is that healthy for the country? That's a really good question.
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Post by elaine on Feb 4, 2019 1:09:12 GMT
I have a question that I’m going to ask and by doing so I’m probably going to get my ass handed to me but I’m going to ask the question anyway. I know nothing about this man. There is no question he messed up in his responses to this picture turning up. My question. Is this man a racist? Or he did something stupid/insensitive 30+ years ago. In other words, does he have a history of being a racist? I would think in 30+ years he would have said or committed other racists acts during that time. Or if this is the one thing that he has done, and that includes dressing up as Michael Jackson including a black face, and because of that there is a demand that he play a high price for it. Even though for 30+ years since there was nothing that he had done that would be considered racist? If that was the only racist thing he did, meaning there is no history of other racist comments and acts in 30+ years, are we at that point of intolerance? If we are, is that healthy for the country? That he felt the need to contradict his initial admission and apology, and then wanting to show the world his Moon Walk at his news conference - only to be stopped from doing so by his wife - are also racist and current (not 30 years old) and indicate, to me, that he “doesn’t get it” and will have a hard time engendering trust in POC.
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Post by lindas on Feb 4, 2019 1:22:20 GMT
I have a question that I’m going to ask and by doing so I’m probably going to get my ass handed to me but I’m going to ask the question anyway. I know nothing about this man. There is no question he messed up in his responses to this picture turning up. My question. Is this man a racist? Or he did something stupid/insensitive 30+ years ago. In other words, does he have a history of being a racist? I would think in 30+ years he would have said or committed other racists acts during that time. Or if this is the one thing that he has done, and that includes dressing up as Michael Jackson including a black face, and because of that there is a demand that he play a high price for it. Even though for 30+ years since there was nothing that he had done that would be considered racist? If that was the only racist thing he did, meaning there is no history of other racist comments and acts in 30+ years, are we at that point of intolerance? If we are, is that healthy for the country? Unfortunately we have reached a level of intolerance that I never thought I'd see and no, it's not healthy. I tend to judge people on what I know about them and the way the act now not by what they may have done 30+ years ago. We've all done something we're not proud of one time or another. Northam should have just apologized and acknowledged his stupidity instead he turns around after apologizing and tries to claim it wasn't him. He was in a deep enough hole with the photo but he might have survived it had he not turned around and denied it the next day.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 4, 2019 1:32:57 GMT
By the numbers, that's a lot of women not using pregnancy prevention and using abortion as their method of birth control. LACK of affordable birth control again is an issue. Although finances do change over time. Other reasons for an abortion: injury to mother and/or fetus. Serious illness causing serious issues to the fetus. Major birth defects. Death of fetus in utero. Risk to mother's life. Rape. Incest. None are casual use of birth control!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 4, 2019 1:35:15 GMT
I tend to judge people on what I know about them and the way the act now not by what they may have done 30+ years ago. We've all done something we're not proud of one time or another. Northam should have just apologized and acknowledged his stupidity instead he turns around after apologizing and tries to claim it wasn't him. He was in a deep enough hole with the photo but he might have survived it had he not turned around and denied it the next day. Absolutely.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 1:42:37 GMT
It wasn't any right leaning pea that brought abortion to this thread, so if anyone was using it to start a new fight on this thread... I think you'll find it was. Try reading page 1 again. I did read page 1 and I saw redhead32 and sassyangel brought abortion into this thread. I wasn't aware that they're right leaning peas. If they are and I somehow missed it, it's clear they aren't doing it to deflect and start a fight as sock monkey insinuated.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 2:06:09 GMT
I have a question that I’m going to ask and by doing so I’m probably going to get my ass handed to me but I’m going to ask the question anyway. I know nothing about this man. There is no question he messed up in his responses to this picture turning up. My question. Is this man a racist? Or he did something stupid/insensitive 30+ years ago. In other words, does he have a history of being a racist? I would think in 30+ years he would have said or committed other racists acts during that time. Or if this is the one thing that he has done, and that includes dressing up as Michael Jackson including a black face, and because of that there is a demand that he play a high price for it. Even though for 30+ years since there was nothing that he had done that would be considered racist? If that was the only racist thing he did, meaning there is no history of other racist comments and acts in 30+ years, are we at that point of intolerance? If we are, is that healthy for the country? That he felt the need to contradict his initial admission and apology, and then wanting to show the world his Moon Walk at his news conference - only to be stopped from doing so by his wife - are also racist and current (not 30 years old) and indicate, to me, that he “doesn’t get it” and will have a hard time engendering trust in POC. What was the reaction when the first picture first came out by the public? If I’m not mistaken the call for him to resign started before he said anything. I said he messed up in his responses, but would the result been any different regardless of what he said? The demand he resign been any different? ETA Not trying to be a pain, but I’m thinking, that without other examples of his racist behavior during the last 30 years, people were too quick to call him a racist and demand he resign.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 4, 2019 2:12:54 GMT
I know nothing about this man. There is no question he messed up in his responses to this picture turning up. What a Dixie Ribs joint owner taught me about forgiveness and reconciliationBy Johnita P. Due Opinion Updated 8:12 PM ET, Sun February 3, 2019 (CNN)I believe in forgiveness and reconciliation. My parents instilled these ideals in me as a child, and my father clings to them today -- hoping they will guide this country, yet again, through this period of racial division. After all, they were the guiding principles behind South Africa's peaceful transition to democracy after decades of apartheid. But I am not sure I fully understood the power of forgiveness and reconciliation until I lived with Florida State Rep. William L. (Bill) Flynn, owner of Flynn's Dixie Ribs, a barbecue restaurant known also for its Key lime pie, in 1980. Flynn represented South Dade County, where my family lived. I met Flynn only a few years before the photo of the men in blackface and a Ku Klux Klan costume appeared on Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam's yearbook page when he was a medical student. ** But neither of my parents was able to accompany me to Tallahassee. Flynn offered for me to stay with him and his wife for that week. I was only 12 years old, so I didn't fully understand the significance of a former segregationist hosting the daughter of civil rights leaders.** When Northam initially admitted that he was in the offensive photo -- although he reportedly told others he didn't know if he was the blackface minstrel or the Klansman -- he was acknowledging that those racist actions and beliefs were very much a part of who he was. Although his initial apology said all the right things about how hateful and harmful the photo was and how inexcusable it was to give hate a platform, his apology failed in one crucial way that is necessary for reconciliation: It should have been given decades ago when he first realized his actions were wrong.What I learned from Flynn is that if it was Northam in the photo (and even if it was not, as he says now), he should have publicly admitted and confronted any of his racist or racially offensive actions or beliefs of the past -- including wearing blackface to impersonate a black singer -- when he first began running for public office and asked for forgiveness and the ability to prove himself then. Now may be too late. ** www.cnn.com/2019/02/03/opinions/william-flynn-power-forgiveness-reconciliation-johnita-due/index.htmlWe can learn so much every day. Check out the whole article. Her "mother had led the first jail-in of the nation serving 49 days in jail instead of paying bail to fund Jim Crow segregation, after being arrested for sitting-in at a Woolworth's lunch counter in Tallahassee."
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Post by dewryce on Feb 4, 2019 2:14:25 GMT
I have a question that I’m going to ask and by doing so I’m probably going to get my ass handed to me but I’m going to ask the question anyway. I know nothing about this man. There is no question he messed up in his responses to this picture turning up. My question. Is this man a racist? Or he did something stupid/insensitive 30+ years ago. In other words, does he have a history of being a racist? I would think in 30+ years he would have said or committed other racists acts during that time. Or if this is the one thing that he has done, and that includes dressing up as Michael Jackson including a black face, and because of that there is a demand that he play a high price for it. Even though for 30+ years since there was nothing that he had done that would be considered racist? If that was the only racist thing he did, meaning there is no history of other racist comments and acts in 30+ years, are we at that point of intolerance? If we are, is that healthy for the country? For me the difference is the involvement of the KKK uniform. That brings hate to the table, far beyond being stupid or insensitive. I can possibly understand being ignorant about blackface at the time (I was much younger then), and maybe even consider that as a stupid/insensitive act for the era. But the KKK has always been about absolute hate and I can not imagine being either person in that photo and not being at least comfortable with racism. Is it possible he was racist but has educated himself and no longer feels the same? Sure. But this is a public service job that calls for him to represent all people and for that, I hold him to a higher standard. Can a black person ever feel he truly respects them and would represent them to the best of his ability if he was once filled with such hate and contempt for them, no matter how much time has passed? I can’t answer that, but I suspect many would not. For that to even be a possibility I would think he needed to demonstrate how his thought process changed and what specific steps he has taken since then to educate people and fight for racial equality and from what I’ve seen, he hasn’t done that. And today we have to consider the changing stories, the improbability of his not knowing that picture was in his yearbook, not being able to say that no he has never worn a KKK uniform, his admittance that he has worn a “little” blackface and not taking the situation seriously by appearing to want to demonstrate the moonwalk, and his nickname of coonman. He needs to resign.
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Post by elaine on Feb 4, 2019 2:22:08 GMT
That he felt the need to contradict his initial admission and apology, and then wanting to show the world his Moon Walk at his news conference - only to be stopped from doing so by his wife - are also racist and current (not 30 years old) and indicate, to me, that he “doesn’t get it” and will have a hard time engendering trust in POC. What was the reaction when the first picture first came out by the public? If I’m not mistaken the call for him to resign started before he said anything. I said he messed up in his responses, but would the result been any different regardless of what he said? The demand he resign been any different? I live in VA. Granted, I was at the movies with my family when the story broke yesterday, but I didn’t hear anything before his initial accepting responsibility and apologizing for the photo. So, maybe in the 2.5 hours I was in the theater - we listen to CNN in the car - the photo was discovered and there was an immediate call for his resignation before he first responded, but I didn’t hear it. I can’t tell you what my response would be had he responded differently and be accurate. I can only tell you how I am responding to what actually did happen. Do the hypotheticals really matter all that much? Sincerely asked. All we have to deal with is what actually happened.
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