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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 4, 2019 2:29:57 GMT
I think you'll find it was. Try reading page 1 again. I did read page 1 and I saw redhead32 and sassyangel brought abortion into this thread. I wasn't aware that they're right leaning peas. If they are and I somehow missed it, it's clear they aren't doing it to deflect and start a fight as sock monkey insinuated. I didn’t say boo about the political leaning of anyone in what I posted. Don’t interact with me. Don’t quote me. Leave me out of your posts. This is the second time I’ve asked you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 2:45:34 GMT
What was the reaction when the first picture first came out by the public? If I’m not mistaken the call for him to resign started before he said anything. I said he messed up in his responses, but would the result been any different regardless of what he said? The demand he resign been any different? I live in VA. Granted, I was at the movies with my family when the story broke yesterday, but I didn’t hear anything before his initial accepting responsibility and apologizing for the photo. So, maybe in the 2.5 hours I was in the theater - we listen to CNN in the car - the photo was discovered and there was an immediate call for his resignation before he first responded, but I didn’t hear it. I can’t tell you what my response would be had he responded differently and be accurate. I can only tell you how I am responding to what actually did happen. Do the hypotheticals really matter all that much? Sincerely asked. All we have to deal with is what actually happened. Like I said I know nothing about this man, but what I saw, sitting here in CA, was a rush to judge without getting all the facts. If there are no other acts of racism these last 30+ year, can we call this man a racist? And regardless of how he responded demand that he resign in disgrace? Because he is a racist? I think this is a dangerous path we are going down to be this quick to judge.
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Post by elaine on Feb 4, 2019 2:57:01 GMT
I live in VA. Granted, I was at the movies with my family when the story broke yesterday, but I didn’t hear anything before his initial accepting responsibility and apologizing for the photo. So, maybe in the 2.5 hours I was in the theater - we listen to CNN in the car - the photo was discovered and there was an immediate call for his resignation before he first responded, but I didn’t hear it. I can’t tell you what my response would be had he responded differently and be accurate. I can only tell you how I am responding to what actually did happen. Do the hypotheticals really matter all that much? Sincerely asked. All we have to deal with is what actually happened. Like I said I know nothing about this man, but what I saw, sitting here in CA, was a rush to judge without getting all the facts. If there are no other acts of racism these last 30+ year, can we call this man a racist? And regardless of how he responded demand that he resign in disgrace? Because he is a racist? I think this is a dangerous path we are going down to be this quick to judge. From my point of view, which I stated yesterday, whether or not he holds racist views currently: his posing in that picture, his subsequent accepting and then denying it was him, his going on (current day) to then talk about wearing blackface to act like Michael Jackson and then want to show the cameras his moonwalk, will make it next to impossible for people, especially POC, to trust him as someone who isn’t racist and who “gets it.” He, himself, regardless of what his current views on race are, made himself look clueless, at the most benign, and racist, at the worst, in how he has acted over the past 36 hours. He, and the way he dealt with this, IMO, made himself into someone who will be less effective as a governor in our diverse state.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 4, 2019 3:44:10 GMT
He, himself, regardless of what his current views on race are, made himself look clueless, at the most benign, and racist, at the worst, in how he has acted over the past 36 hours. He, and the way he dealt with this, IMO, made himself into someone who will be less effective as a governor in our diverse state. Another opinion piece to read...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 3:45:43 GMT
I did read page 1 and I saw redhead32 and sassyangel brought abortion into this thread. I wasn't aware that they're right leaning peas. If they are and I somehow missed it, it's clear they aren't doing it to deflect and start a fight as sock monkey insinuated. I didn’t say boo about the political leaning of anyone in what I posted. Don’t interact with me. Don’t quote me. Leave me out of your posts. This is the second time I’ve asked you. Okay, your insinuation wasn't about their political leaning, your claim was about them "deflecting and trying to start a new fight". Now that we got that cleared up, the point was that they clearly didn't bring abortion in here to deflect and start a fight. You've never asked me not to interact with you, you asked me not to tag you with the examples you asked me for. I respected that and haven't tagged you. As far as not interacting with you... you don't get to say whatever YOU want and then tell certain people not to respond. If you don't want to interact with me, that's your prerogative, but I can respond to anyone here.
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 4, 2019 3:53:23 GMT
I didn’t say boo about the political leaning of anyone in what I posted. Don’t interact with me. Don’t quote me. Leave me out of your posts. This is the second time I’ve asked you. Okay, your insinuation wasn't about their political leaning, your claim was about them "deflecting and trying to start a new fight". Now that we got that cleared up, the point was that they clearly didn't bring abortion in here to deflect and start a fight. You've never asked me not to interact with you, you asked me not to tag you with the examples you asked me for. I respected that and haven't tagged you. As far as not interacting with you... you don't get to say whatever YOU want and then tell certain people not to respond. If you don't want to interact with me, that's your prerogative, but I can respond to anyone here. This is the third time I will ask you to stop. I’m not discussing anything with you. Leave me alone. Third request.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 4, 2019 4:24:29 GMT
Northam has called an unusual emergency meeting with his administration tonight. No reason given as of now!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 11:14:21 GMT
I think you'll find it was. Try reading page 1 again. I did read page 1 and I saw redhead32 and sassyangel brought abortion into this thread. I wasn't aware that they're right leaning peas. If they are and I somehow missed it, it's clear they aren't doing it to deflect and start a fight as sock monkey insinuated. If that is what you deduced from two people pointing out misinformation reported in the OP's link then it's on you to try and look at the bigger picture as to what took this thread, and by who, that subsequently took it down the abortion discussion route. Pointing out misinformation in a linked report that the OP has only chosen a part of, for discussion, as per her title, isn't taking a thread down an unrelated route IMO. You seem to have a problem in deciphering what others are posting about as to what and who their posts are referring to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 12:07:20 GMT
As it’s your right to feel that way for yourself, imposing your beliefs upon those who don’t is wrong. Abortion is legal. Reasons why women choose it—no one’s business but her own. Since I'm not imposing my beliefs on anyone we don't have a problem. As far as their reasons are no one's business, with the hashtag SHOUT YOUR ABORTION tens of thousands of women have made their reasons everyone's business. Yes, and do you know why? You've chosen to concentrate on the women that, in your opinion, do not have a "valid" reason to make the choice they have made. You have a totally wrong understanding of what that hashtag means and why it was started, some time ago now. The campaign was actually started in response to the threat to end public funding to Planned Parenthood. It's not about " bragging" or "gloryfying" that they have had an abortion, it about the fact that these are the women who often feel they must ‘whisper’ rather than ‘shout’, not because they are ashamed, but because they are deeply concerned they will be judged.And my goodness isn't that the truth. with counter hashtags of #shoutyouradoption (suggesting women should have the baby adopted instead of ending the pregnancy), and #shoutyourmurder has seen to that. In an ideal world, women would perhaps not need to talk about their abortions, which are, after all, a personal choice. They would not need to divulge whether they made the choice because they were raped, or because their baby had abnormalities, or even because they wanted to get on with their career. In an ideal world, they would be able to exercise their bodily autonomy without having to justify it. This is far from an ideal world. Women are scrutinised for just about every decision they make, and abortion is no different. Concessions towards the rights of the unborn child always come at the expense of women’s freedom, and yet there are many on the so called Pro life side who feel that this is an acceptable price to pay. It's not. It has nothing to do with anyone else. Women should have the right to make those decisions for themselves not by anyone else. It's their body, their decision and why should they have to justify whatever decision they make to anyone. That is what the #shout your abortion is about.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 13:08:42 GMT
I did read page 1 and I saw redhead32 and sassyangel brought abortion into this thread. I wasn't aware that they're right leaning peas. If they are and I somehow missed it, it's clear they aren't doing it to deflect and start a fight as sock monkey insinuated. If that is what you deduced from two people pointing out misinformation reported in the OP's link then it's on you to try and look at the bigger picture as to what took this thread, and by who, that subsequently took it down the abortion discussion route. Pointing out misinformation in a linked report that the OP has only chosen a part of, for discussion, as per her title, isn't taking a thread down an unrelated route IMO. You seem to have a problem in deciphering what others are posting about as to what and who their posts are referring to. Okay. Since they are the only 2 people on page 1 talking about abortion, what is it that you wanted me to see on page 1 as the reason abortion was brought into this thread? Why did you tell me to read page 1 again? What is on page 1 that I was supposed to read that specifically shows it was right leaning peas that "brought abortion into this thread too"?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 13:16:46 GMT
Since I'm not imposing my beliefs on anyone we don't have a problem. As far as their reasons are no one's business, with the hashtag SHOUT YOUR ABORTION tens of thousands of women have made their reasons everyone's business. Yes, and do you know why? You've chosen to concentrate on the women that, in your opinion, do not have a "valid" reason to make the choice they have made. You have a totally wrong understanding of what that hashtag means and why it was started, some time ago now. The campaign was actually started in response to the threat to end public funding to Planned Parenthood. It's not about " bragging" or "gloryfying" that they have had an abortion, it about the fact that these are the women who often feel they must ‘whisper’ rather than ‘shout’, not because they are ashamed, but because they are deeply concerned they will be judged.And my goodness isn't that the truth. with counter hashtags of #shoutyouradoption (suggesting women should have the baby adopted instead of ending the pregnancy), and #shoutyourmurder has seen to that. In an ideal world, women would perhaps not need to talk about their abortions, which are, after all, a personal choice. They would not need to divulge whether they made the choice because they were raped, or because their baby had abnormalities, or even because they wanted to get on with their career. In an ideal world, they would be able to exercise their bodily autonomy without having to justify it. This is far from an ideal world. Women are scrutinised for just about every decision they make, and abortion is no different. Concessions towards the rights of the unborn child always come at the expense of women’s freedom, and yet there are many on the so called Pro life side who feel that this is an acceptable price to pay. It's not. It has nothing to do with anyone else. Women should have the right to make those decisions for themselves not by anyone else. It's their body, their decision and why should they have to justify whatever decision they make to anyone. That is what the #shout your abortion is about. I had already read about the creation of the hashtag, so you aren't telling me new information, but you are mischaracterizing what you quoted me on. I was was responding to the claim that it's nobody's business why they chose to have an abortion, with the the fact that Shout Your Abortion tweets are all about telling WHY they chose to have an abortion. Your post doesn't change my point or make it not true.
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Post by Really Red on Feb 4, 2019 14:25:35 GMT
He, himself, regardless of what his current views on race are, made himself look clueless, at the most benign, and racist, at the worst, in how he has acted over the past 36 hours. He, and the way he dealt with this, IMO, made himself into someone who will be less effective as a governor in our diverse state. Another opinion piece to read... I, too, am a VA resident. Gov Northam is a few years older than I, and I did grow up in the "north," that is to say, Washington, DC. It is so unbelievably abhorrent what he did and so completely contrary to everything I - and I hope most people - believe that I think without a doubt he should resign and I think he should have done it the second this came out. Again, people like Beto, who see what they did wrong, change their ways and are open about it, deserve forgiveness. People like Gov. Northam, who I fully supported for Governor, who backpedal and then offer to moonwalk the very next day (thanks to his wife, he did not) and admit that he dressed up in blackface AND THEN joked about getting shoe polish off his face are NOT people who have learned a thing. I honestly do not care what he's done for VA. He is NOT apologizing for anything and NOT understanding what the problem is. He totally and completely sucks and I want him gone quickly. In fact, I find he sucks more and more each day he is not resigning, because it means he doesn't see what the problem is at all. He doesn't understand anything. FWIW, I was at a party on Saturday night. The majority of the people there were African American and they mostly thought "whatever." You know why? Because racism is so commonplace to them, that this one barely registers. I just seriously cannot even with this Governor. He cannot possibly be that out of touch, yet his news conference showed is is.
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Post by Peace Sign on Feb 4, 2019 15:10:23 GMT
I have a question that I’m going to ask and by doing so I’m probably going to get my ass handed to me but I’m going to ask the question anyway. I know nothing about this man. There is no question he messed up in his responses to this picture turning up. My question. Is this man a racist? Or he did something stupid/insensitive 30+ years ago. In other words, does he have a history of being a racist? I would think in 30+ years he would have said or committed other racists acts during that time. Or if this is the one thing that he has done, and that includes dressing up as Michael Jackson including a black face, and because of that there is a demand that he play a high price for it. Even though for 30+ years since there was nothing that he had done that would be considered racist? If that was the only racist thing he did, meaning there is no history of other racist comments and acts in 30+ years, are we at that point of intolerance? If we are, is that healthy for the country? Anyone with even a smidge of racism should NOT be in any position of power over others. That would be teacher, politician, judge, law enforcement, etc. That is what got us to the place we are today...systemic racism and inequal criminal prosecution. We don't know that he hasn't done anything else we would consider racist. It's who he is. When people show you who they are, believe them. It's silly to assume otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 15:25:00 GMT
I have a question that I’m going to ask and by doing so I’m probably going to get my ass handed to me but I’m going to ask the question anyway. I know nothing about this man. There is no question he messed up in his responses to this picture turning up. My question. Is this man a racist? Or he did something stupid/insensitive 30+ years ago. In other words, does he have a history of being a racist? I would think in 30+ years he would have said or committed other racists acts during that time. Or if this is the one thing that he has done, and that includes dressing up as Michael Jackson including a black face, and because of that there is a demand that he play a high price for it. Even though for 30+ years since there was nothing that he had done that would be considered racist? If that was the only racist thing he did, meaning there is no history of other racist comments and acts in 30+ years, are we at that point of intolerance? If we are, is that healthy for the country? Anyone with even a smidge of racism should NOT be in any position of power over others. That would be teacher, politician, judge, law enforcement, etc. That is what got us to the place we are today...systemic racism and inequal criminal prosecution. We don't know that he hasn't done anything else we would consider racist. It's who he is. When people show you who they are, believe them. It's silly to assume otherwise. So off with their head for something they did 30+ years ago. It’s been several days and I suspect a whole lot of people are looking for additional racist acts. I have not heard of any, have you? And so much for people evolving. Or seeing the “light”. Once you are labeled for something you did 30+ years ago, then you are considered useless to society and may as well live out your worthless life on a deserted island. My guess he is going to be forced out. But this absolute intolerance for things done decades ago, with no proof they continued after that time is going to take a dangerous negative toll on this country IMO.
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Post by Peace Sign on Feb 4, 2019 15:33:03 GMT
Anyone with even a smidge of racism should NOT be in any position of power over others. That would be teacher, politician, judge, law enforcement, etc. That is what got us to the place we are today...systemic racism and inequal criminal prosecution. We don't know that he hasn't done anything else we would consider racist. It's who he is. When people show you who they are, believe them. It's silly to assume otherwise. So off with their head for something they did 30+ years ago. It’s been several days and I suspect a whole lot of people are looking for additional racist acts. I have not heard of any, have you? And so much for people evolving. Or seeing the “light”. Once you are labeled for something you did 30+ years ago, then you are considered useless to society and may as well live out your worthless life on a deserted island. My guess he is going to be forced out. But this absolute intolerance for things done decades ago, with no proof they continued after that time is going to take a dangerous negative toll on this country IMO. and i think that continuing to allow people who think the KKK is humorous to be in a position of power over others, who include BLACK people, is going to take a dangerous negative toll on this country. that is not to say that he can't reform, apologize, or do something else. i didn't say he is useless to society. i said he shouldn't be in a position of power.
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Post by Peace Sign on Feb 4, 2019 15:35:04 GMT
Another opinion piece to read... FWIW, I was at a party on Saturday night. The majority of the people there were African American and they mostly thought "whatever." You know why? Because racism is so commonplace to them, that this one barely registers. This.
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Post by dewryce on Feb 4, 2019 15:50:10 GMT
Anyone with even a smidge of racism should NOT be in any position of power over others. That would be teacher, politician, judge, law enforcement, etc. That is what got us to the place we are today...systemic racism and inequal criminal prosecution. We don't know that he hasn't done anything else we would consider racist. It's who he is. When people show you who they are, believe them. It's silly to assume otherwise. So off with their head for something they did 30+ years ago. It’s been several days and I suspect a whole lot of people are looking for additional racist acts. I have not heard of any, have you? And so much for people evolving. Or seeing the “light”. Once you are labeled for something you did 30+ years ago, then you are considered useless to society and may as well live out your worthless life on a deserted island.My guess he is going to be forced out. But this absolute intolerance for things done decades ago, with no proof they continued after that time is going to take a dangerous negative toll on this country IMO. But that’s not what she is saying. She is saying for certain positions, some past behaviors should disqualify people. I don’t think that’s much different than some other positions is it? I didn’t feel like she was suggesting he could never hold down another job, just that his past actions should preclude him from some public service type positions. We all like to say that elections have consequences. Well, so do our behaviors.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 16:01:06 GMT
So off with their head for something they did 30+ years ago. It’s been several days and I suspect a whole lot of people are looking for additional racist acts. I have not heard of any, have you? And so much for people evolving. Or seeing the “light”. Once you are labeled for something you did 30+ years ago, then you are considered useless to society and may as well live out your worthless life on a deserted island. My guess he is going to be forced out. But this absolute intolerance for things done decades ago, with no proof they continued after that time is going to take a dangerous negative toll on this country IMO. and i think that continuing to allow people who think the KKK is humorous to be in a position of power over others, who include BLACK people, is going to take a dangerous negative toll on this country. that is not to say that he can't reform, apologize, or do something else. i didn't say he is useless to society. i said he shouldn't be in a position of power. We are going to disagree on this. Because unless they find other acts of racism on him, this amounts to what that idiot in the White House claims the Democrats are doing to him, and that is a witch hunt. This thread and how quick people called for this guy to resign for something he did 30 + years ago with no proof he continued along those lines all these years later makes me sad. I’m against all racism, but this intolerance by way too many is just as destructive as the racism they rail against. And ultimately could do more harm then good to this country.
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Post by elaine on Feb 4, 2019 16:17:08 GMT
Anyone with even a smidge of racism should NOT be in any position of power over others. That would be teacher, politician, judge, law enforcement, etc. That is what got us to the place we are today...systemic racism and inequal criminal prosecution. We don't know that he hasn't done anything else we would consider racist. It's who he is. When people show you who they are, believe them. It's silly to assume otherwise. So off with their head for something they did 30+ years ago. It’s been several days and I suspect a whole lot of people are looking for additional racist acts. I have not heard of any, have you? And so much for people evolving. Or seeing the “light”. Once you are labeled for something you did 30+ years ago, then you are considered useless to society and may as well live out your worthless life on a deserted island. My guess he is going to be forced out. But this absolute intolerance for things done decades ago, with no proof they continued after that time is going to take a dangerous negative toll on this country IMO. I am somewhat annoyed that I took the time to respond to you upthread and you are conveniently ignoring it. A large part of what is problematic to me, and a number of others, is his behavior over THE PAST FEW DAYS. Not 30+ years ago - 2 days ago. If he had responded differently and consistently to being confronted with those pictures, my thoughts and feelings about him would be different. But you seem determined to ignore that part of the equation - a number of us have said similar things.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 4, 2019 16:18:18 GMT
I’m against all racism, but this intolerance by way too many is just as destructive as the racism they rail against. His refusal to accept responsibility for the situation, the wishy washy apology and then denial a day later, is the problem! I have little patience with those who do not take responsibility for their actions. He was an adult at the time it happened. Own it! He doesn't!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 16:19:00 GMT
So off with their head for something they did 30+ years ago. It’s been several days and I suspect a whole lot of people are looking for additional racist acts. I have not heard of any, have you? And so much for people evolving. Or seeing the “light”. Once you are labeled for something you did 30+ years ago, then you are considered useless to society and may as well live out your worthless life on a deserted island.My guess he is going to be forced out. But this absolute intolerance for things done decades ago, with no proof they continued after that time is going to take a dangerous negative toll on this country IMO. But that’s not what she is saying. She is saying for certain positions, some past behaviors should disqualify people. I don’t think that’s much different than some other positions is it? I didn’t feel like she was suggesting he could never hold down another job, just that his past actions should preclude him from some public service type positions. We all like to say that elections have consequences. Well, so do our behaviors. As humans, we learn and we evolve as walk down our respective paths. To be told that one thing that you did decades ago, with no reoccurrence , should limit your potential today is just not right. And IMO its dangerous to be this intolerant for the well being to this country. Because today it’s racism, what will it be tomorrow?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 4, 2019 16:23:47 GMT
As humans, we learn and we evolve as walk down our respective paths. To be told that one thing that you did decades ago, with no reoccurrence , should limit your potential today is just not right. And IMO its dangerous to be this intolerant for the well being to this country. Because today it’s racism, what will it be tomorrow? Accepting responsibility is an issue. The truth is the rest. Did he LIE Friday night when he apologized? OR Did he LIE Saturday when he said it was not him? Can not be both!!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 4, 2019 16:25:12 GMT
Since I'm not imposing my beliefs on anyone we don't have a problem. As far as their reasons are no one's business, with the hashtag SHOUT YOUR ABORTION tens of thousands of women have made their reasons everyone's business. Yes, and do you know why? You've chosen to concentrate on the women that, in your opinion, do not have a "valid" reason to make the choice they have made. You have a totally wrong understanding of what that hashtag means and why it was started, some time ago now. The campaign was actually started in response to the threat to end public funding to Planned Parenthood. It's not about " bragging" or "gloryfying" that they have had an abortion, it about the fact that these are the women who often feel they must ‘whisper’ rather than ‘shout’, not because they are ashamed, but because they are deeply concerned they will be judged.And my goodness isn't that the truth. with counter hashtags of #shoutyouradoption (suggesting women should have the baby adopted instead of ending the pregnancy), and #shoutyourmurder has seen to that. In an ideal world, women would perhaps not need to talk about their abortions, which are, after all, a personal choice. They would not need to divulge whether they made the choice because they were raped, or because their baby had abnormalities, or even because they wanted to get on with their career. In an ideal world, they would be able to exercise their bodily autonomy without having to justify it. This is far from an ideal world. Women are scrutinised for just about every decision they make, and abortion is no different. Concessions towards the rights of the unborn child always come at the expense of women’s freedom, and yet there are many on the so called Pro life side who feel that this is an acceptable price to pay. It's not. It has nothing to do with anyone else. Women should have the right to make those decisions for themselves not by anyone else. It's their body, their decision and why should they have to justify whatever decision they make to anyone. That is what the #shout your abortion is about. Sing it!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 16:31:55 GMT
So off with their head for something they did 30+ years ago. It’s been several days and I suspect a whole lot of people are looking for additional racist acts. I have not heard of any, have you? And so much for people evolving. Or seeing the “light”. Once you are labeled for something you did 30+ years ago, then you are considered useless to society and may as well live out your worthless life on a deserted island. My guess he is going to be forced out. But this absolute intolerance for things done decades ago, with no proof they continued after that time is going to take a dangerous negative toll on this country IMO. I am somewhat annoyed that I took the time to respond to you upthread and you are conveniently ignoring it. A large part of what is problematic to me, and a number of others, is his behavior over THE PAST FEW DAYS. Not 30+ years ago - 2 days ago. If he had responded differently and consistently to being confronted with those pictures, my thoughts and feelings about him would be different. But you seem determined to ignore that part of the equation - a number of us have said similar things. Correct me if I’m wrong, he had been told he needed to resign before he said one word. I have said that he messed up his response to this. My whole point is how many people demanded he resign based on that one picture before taking the time to find out if this guy was a closet racist. You are saying how he handled it made you decide he had to go. Fair enough. But many want him to resign regardless of how he had handled it. And that is what I’m having a problem with. They want him gone for that one picture from 30+ years ago period. end. of. discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 16:33:34 GMT
As humans, we learn and we evolve as walk down our respective paths. To be told that one thing that you did decades ago, with no reoccurrence , should limit your potential today is just not right. And IMO its dangerous to be this intolerant for the well being to this country. Because today it’s racism, what will it be tomorrow? Accepting responsibility is an issue. The truth is the rest. Did he LIE Friday night when he apologized? OR Did he LIE Saturday when he said it was not him? Can not be both!! Would anything he had said been acceptable? Or would the demand still be that he resign?
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 4, 2019 16:38:34 GMT
I think you'll find it was. Try reading page 1 again. I did read page 1 and I saw redhead32 and sassyangel brought abortion into this thread. I wasn't aware that they're right leaning peas. If they are and I somehow missed it, it's clear they aren't doing it to deflect and start a fight as sock monkey insinuated. I had no intention of bringing it to this thread too. I merely responded to redhead, who by her initial comment seems to have confused which thread she was posting in, as did I. That's the hazard of having two crazy threads on the same topic, I guess.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 4, 2019 16:39:00 GMT
Yes, and do you know why? You've chosen to concentrate on the women that, in your opinion, do not have a "valid" reason to make the choice they have made. You have a totally wrong understanding of what that hashtag means and why it was started, some time ago now. The campaign was actually started in response to the threat to end public funding to Planned Parenthood. It's not about " bragging" or "gloryfying" that they have had an abortion, it about the fact that these are the women who often feel they must ‘whisper’ rather than ‘shout’, not because they are ashamed, but because they are deeply concerned they will be judged.And my goodness isn't that the truth. with counter hashtags of #shoutyouradoption (suggesting women should have the baby adopted instead of ending the pregnancy), and #shoutyourmurder has seen to that. In an ideal world, women would perhaps not need to talk about their abortions, which are, after all, a personal choice. They would not need to divulge whether they made the choice because they were raped, or because their baby had abnormalities, or even because they wanted to get on with their career. In an ideal world, they would be able to exercise their bodily autonomy without having to justify it. This is far from an ideal world. Women are scrutinised for just about every decision they make, and abortion is no different. Concessions towards the rights of the unborn child always come at the expense of women’s freedom, and yet there are many on the so called Pro life side who feel that this is an acceptable price to pay. It's not. It has nothing to do with anyone else. Women should have the right to make those decisions for themselves not by anyone else. It's their body, their decision and why should they have to justify whatever decision they make to anyone. That is what the #shout your abortion is about. I had already read about the creation of the hashtag, so you aren't telling me new information, but you are mischaracterizing what you quoted me on. I was was responding to the claim that it's nobody's business why they chose to have an abortion, with the the fact that Shout Your Abortion tweets are all about telling WHY they chose to have an abortion. Your post doesn't change my point or make it not true. More willful obtuseness. One statement by one pea has nothing to do with the other statement by another pea, and you’re trying to make it so. It’s not “a claim” —you’re trying to diminish the truth/fact by using that phrase as if it’s subjective, and it’s not. It IS no one’s businesses as to why a woman chooses abortion. Period. However... Because of the religious/conservatives-pro-lifers attacking a woman’s legal right to do so, politicizing it, shaming them, tearing them down, defunding women’s health care and victim assistance, women HAVE HAD TO SPEAK UP to ensure that a woman’s right is preserved now and in the future. Women are FORCED to stand up and fight for their legal rights.
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sassyangel
Drama Llama
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Jun 26, 2014 23:58:32 GMT
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 4, 2019 16:41:38 GMT
I am somewhat annoyed that I took the time to respond to you upthread and you are conveniently ignoring it. A large part of what is problematic to me, and a number of others, is his behavior over THE PAST FEW DAYS. Not 30+ years ago - 2 days ago. If he had responded differently and consistently to being confronted with those pictures, my thoughts and feelings about him would be different. But you seem determined to ignore that part of the equation - a number of us have said similar things. Correct me if I’m wrong, he had been told he needed to resign before he said one word. I have said that he messed up his response to this. My whole point is how many people demanded he resign based on that one picture before taking the time to find out if this guy was a closet racist. You are saying how he handled it made you decide he had to go. Fair enough. But many want him to resign regardless of how he had handled it. And that is what I’m having a problem with. They want him gone for that one picture from 30+ years ago period. end. of. discussion. Personally, I feel taking that stance is only being consistent, and not a hypocrite. I didn't think Kavanaugh should be be appointed SCJ based on something that happened in his college days. I didn't think Trump was a fit President based on past behavior.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 4, 2019 16:45:47 GMT
Do....back to the topic of racism & Congressmen....
Steve King-IA...is there a call or push by his constituents or colleagues to resign with his CURRENT racism?
Trump?
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lindas
Pearl Clutcher
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Jun 26, 2014 5:46:37 GMT
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Post by lindas on Feb 4, 2019 16:45:52 GMT
and i think that continuing to allow people who think the KKK is humorous to be in a position of power over others, who include BLACK people, is going to take a dangerous negative toll on this country. that is not to say that he can't reform, apologize, or do something else. i didn't say he is useless to society. i said he shouldn't be in a position of power. We are going to disagree on this. Because unless they find other acts of racism on him, this amounts to what that idiot in the White House claims the Democrats are doing to him, and that is a witch hunt. This thread and how quick people called for this guy to resign for something he did 30 + years ago with no proof he continued along those lines all these years later makes me sad. I’m against all racism, but this intolerance by way too many is just as destructive as the racism they rail against. And ultimately could do more harm then good to this country. I can probably count on 2 fingers the number of times I've agreed with you politically but on this issue I'm 100% in agreement. This rush to call for someone's head on a silver platter based on unverified allegations has gotten out of hand. All someone has to do is claim you're a sexual predator or a racist and you're labeled for life before you have a chance to open your mouth. I just read that a charge of sexual misconduct has been lodged against the Lt Gov which he has strongly denied but now it's out there.
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