ashley
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Post by ashley on Feb 7, 2019 21:39:01 GMT
I just want to say - this is why we need more women in office. Like no woman has ever dressed in black face or similar? Seriously, that is just dumb Joni Mitchell attended a costume party dressed as a black man, complete with black face make up, decades ago. www.bbc.com/news/magazine-37781800Article about her dressing in black face. I read it some time ago and was surprised it didn’t have a more negative tone or cause any trouble for her.
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Post by sasha on Feb 7, 2019 22:43:13 GMT
I just heard today that a picture has turned up from Joy Behar’s past (The View). It was taken probably 40 years ago at a Halloween Party of her dressing as a black woman. Supposedly it was discussed on the show in 2016. I guess that was before all this “correctness” started so nothing came of it. She had a tan and curled her hair up like in an afro, it was very tasteful and she was thin and beautiful. I thought she looked more like a Hawaiian with the dress she was wearing. Once year I wanted to be pocahontas for halloween but didn't thinking someone would say something to me at the party. I think there is a big difference between going in costume as someone of a different race that you admire if you aren't mocking features. However, the standard now seems to be any type of darkening of the skin = blackface and therefore you are a racist; Behar's costume 40 years ago would not have been viewed that way and I seriously doubt Behar would do the same thing today. Also a big difference between what Behar did and what is in the yearbook photo. I don't think that someone should have to resign for something that happened in your youth. However, the way Northam has handled it would make me question his competency as a Governor. First he took responsibility, then didn't. It made me think that he decided there's no way anyone can definitively say it's him in the photo. But just in case...he admitted to darkening his skin to look like Michael Jackson in some dance contest which led to an embarrassing press conference where only his wife seemed to understand the enormity of it all when asked about his ability to moondance.lso, not only did he have those photos in his yearbook but he apparently was called "Coonman." What the fuck? He would have been better off saying, yes, it is me in the photo. Yes that was my nickname. I'm embarrassed. That said, I'm just gobsmacked that a photo like that, a nickname like that, could have EVER made it into a yearbook. It is truly a sad commentary on this country's history with race and unfortunately with the jackass we have in office now, it's not getting any better.
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 8, 2019 0:34:27 GMT
I just heard today that a picture has turned up from Joy Behar’s past (The View). It was taken probably 40 years ago at a Halloween Party of her dressing as a black woman. Supposedly it was discussed on the show in 2016. I guess that was before all this “correctness” started so nothing came of it. She had a tan and curled her hair up like in an afro, it was very tasteful and she was thin and beautiful. I thought she looked more like a Hawaiian with the dress she was wearing. Once year I wanted to be pocahontas for halloween but didn't thinking someone would say something to me at the party. Not wearing a Pocahontas costume (which, what even would that look like... did you research her indigenous origins and the cultural clothing she'd have worn) was the right instinct. People's culture isn't costume. The bottom line is, don't. www.vox.com/2014/10/29/7089591/why-is-blackface-offensive-halloween-costume
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Post by meriannj on Feb 8, 2019 1:36:50 GMT
I have only lived in VA a short time so didn't have a hand at electing any of the involved. But as for the Gov, when it happened I was torn on if I felt it was something worth stepping down over, but then he flipped on it was him now it's not him but.... Then the kicker for me was watching him at his press conference have to be told by his wife that it would not be appropriate to do the moonwalk.
My husband said watching him is like watching someone do a bad impersination of Will Ferrell do his impersionation of GWB.
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Post by sasha on Feb 8, 2019 4:01:16 GMT
I have only lived in VA a short time so didn't have a hand at electing any of the involved. But as for the Gov, when it happened I was torn on if I felt it was something worth stepping down over, but then he flipped on it was him now it's not him but.... Then the kicker for me was watching him at his press conference have to be told by his wife that it would not be appropriate to do the moonwalk. My husband said watching him is like watching someone do a bad impersination of Will Ferrell do his impersionation of GWB. This is exactly my thought too. The press conference and his wife having to tell him about the appropriateness of doing the moonwalk actually made me think: Is this guy even sane? Or is he just dumb?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 12:09:46 GMT
Ironic? Or typical? Hypocritical maybe? One if the editors on the yearbook that year was REPUBLICAN SENATOR Tom Norment. And when asked about working on the yearbook, he refused to answer other than to say he won’t associate himself with it. IOKIYR. And your point? It isn't alleged that Tom Norment was in the picture dressed as a KKK member or in blackface.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 12:19:04 GMT
She had a tan and curled her hair up like in an afro, it was very tasteful and she was thin and beautiful. I thought she looked more like a Hawaiian with the dress she was wearing. Once year I wanted to be pocahontas for halloween but didn't thinking someone would say something to me at the party. I think there is a big difference between going in costume as someone of a different race that you admire if you aren't mocking features. However, the standard now seems to be any type of darkening of the skin = blackface and therefore you are a racist; Behar's costume 40 years ago would not have been viewed that way and I seriously doubt Behar would do the same thing today. Also a big difference between what Behar did and what is in the yearbook photo. I don't think that someone should have to resign for something that happened in your youth. However, the way Northam has handled it would make me question his competency as a Governor. First he took responsibility, then didn't. It made me think that he decided there's no way anyone can definitively say it's him in the photo. But just in case...he admitted to darkening his skin to look like Michael Jackson in some dance contest which led to an embarrassing press conference where only his wife seemed to understand the enormity of it all when asked about his ability to moondance.lso, not only did he have those photos in his yearbook but he apparently was called "Coonman." What the fuck? He would have been better off saying, yes, it is me in the photo. Yes that was my nickname. I'm embarrassed. That said, I'm just gobsmacked that a photo like that, a nickname like that, could have EVER made it into a yearbook. It is truly a sad commentary on this country's history with race and unfortunately with the jackass we have in office now, it's not getting any better. The bolded sentence is not the standard anymore. Ask Megyn Kelly. "There was a controversy on The Real Housewives of New York with Luann, and she dressed as Diana Ross, and she made her skin look darker than it really is and people said that that was racist," Kelly said. "And I don't know, I felt like who doesn't love Diana Ross? She wants to look like Diana Ross for one day. I don't know how, like, that got racist on Halloween."
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knitnakinva
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Post by knitnakinva on Feb 8, 2019 12:20:38 GMT
I agree that people should be allowed to grow and change. But what evidence do we have that Northam has? If the NAACP and the VA Black Caucus were standing up and saying that he's been a strong advocate for them, I would believe he has grown. But they,re not - they're calling for his resignation. Just because he's not wearing blackface or a hood doesn't mean he's not implementing policies that disproportionately hurt people of color. He needs to resign,
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 15:18:31 GMT
Racism!?!? At VMI!?!?
No! Who could have known!!?!?
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 8, 2019 15:22:34 GMT
I heard last night on Sirius- Dean Obiedallah, maybe? that the racial slurs and blackface, etc. were so pervasive in that yearbook (the medical school yearbook, I think?), year after year, that they decided they had to STOP PUBLISHING a yearbook altogether. So it wasn't just an anomaly or a one-time thing.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 8, 2019 15:26:53 GMT
Ironic? Or typical? Hypocritical maybe? One if the editors on the yearbook that year was REPUBLICAN SENATOR Tom Norment. And when asked about working on the yearbook, he refused to answer other than to say he won’t associate himself with it. IOKIYR. And your point? It isn't alleged that Tom Norment was in the picture dressed as a KKK member or in blackface. My point is that he was on the staff who approved it to be published. And that if you are republican, you can just state " I refuse to answer" and that is a-okay while the democrats are vilified and attacked to levels unseen before over it. goes hand in hand with all the republican liars testifying before congress--I don't recall, I don't remember, not to my knowledge--can't remember shit from a week ago....yet they remember their calendars back 35 years if they ever touched someone.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 8, 2019 15:27:48 GMT
Racism!?!? At VMI!?!? No! Who could have known!!?!? Yep. and what I mentioned yesterday---a republican senator was on the staff who approved it to happen!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 15:43:18 GMT
And your point? It isn't alleged that Tom Norment was in the picture dressed as a KKK member or in blackface. My point is that he was on the staff who approved it to be published. And that if you are republican, you can just state " I refuse to answer" and that is a-okay while the democrats are vilified and attacked to levels unseen before over it. goes hand in hand with all the republican liars testifying before congress--I don't recall, I don't remember, not to my knowledge--can't remember shit from a week ago....yet they remember their calendars back 35 years if they ever touched someone. You're crossing stories here. Tom Norment was one of the yearbook editors at VMI in 1968. Northam's yearbook was from Eastern Virginia Medical School in 1984. How did Tom Norment have anything to do with Northam's yearbook page?
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 8, 2019 16:29:00 GMT
a deeply entrenched "acceptance of racially charged actions- such as wearing blackface and putting photos of it in the school yearbooks-- at several such institutions" is the takeaway I get from all of this.
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Post by auntkelly on Feb 8, 2019 17:47:45 GMT
I have only lived in VA a short time so didn't have a hand at electing any of the involved. But as for the Gov, when it happened I was torn on if I felt it was something worth stepping down over, but then he flipped on it was him now it's not him but.... Then the kicker for me was watching him at his press conference have to be told by his wife that it would not be appropriate to do the moonwalk. My husband said watching him is like watching someone do a bad impersination of Will Ferrell do his impersionation of GWB. This is exactly my thought too. The press conference and his wife having to tell him about the appropriateness of doing the moonwalk actually made me think: Is this guy even sane? Or is he just dumb? If his wife hadn't stepped in and said "inappropriate circumstances" then I think he would have happily showed off his moonwalk skills and it would have gone down in history as one of the all-time most bizarre political press conferences. His face lit up when he said he won the moonwalk contest in San Antonio.
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Post by carhoch on Feb 8, 2019 20:16:16 GMT
I live in Virginia for the last 13 years and one thing is sure, racism is doing just well around here .
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Post by circusjohnson on Feb 8, 2019 23:42:48 GMT
And now a second woman has come forward accusing Justin Fairfax of assault. CNN
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Feb 9, 2019 1:03:43 GMT
And your point? It isn't alleged that Tom Norment was in the picture dressed as a KKK member or in blackface. My point is that he was on the staff who approved it to be published. And that if you are republican, you can just state " I refuse to answer" and that is a-okay while the democrats are vilified and attacked to levels unseen before over it. goes hand in hand with all the republican liars testifying before congress--I don't recall, I don't remember, not to my knowledge--can't remember shit from a week ago....yet they remember their calendars back 35 years if they ever touched someone. He wasn't actually on the staff of *this* book, but your second paragraph is so totally spot on.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 9, 2019 1:59:18 GMT
And now a second woman has come forward accusing Justin Fairfax of assault. Credible. Somewhere today, I think, I heard that she had told several people right after the assault.
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Post by jenn on Feb 9, 2019 2:56:02 GMT
setting aside all questions about whether the allegations are true or not, with the timing of both these releases, it sure SOUNDS like some sort of a Republican hit job... but it also begs the question of why none of this came out during the election season. The first victim went to the Washington Post last year. The story was buried.
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Post by sasha on Feb 9, 2019 18:37:26 GMT
setting aside all questions about whether the allegations are true or not, with the timing of both these releases, it sure SOUNDS like some sort of a Republican hit job... but it also begs the question of why none of this came out during the election season. The first victim went to the Washington Post last year. The story was buried. Yep. Interesting how this assault was buried.
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Post by annabella on Feb 10, 2019 4:56:43 GMT
I think neither woman thought about it until they saw him on the news due to the governor scandal then thet decided to escalate their own accusation. Your question is the same lame excuse fairfax used himself, why do these women come out now. They can move on from some random guy 20 years ago, but seeing him on tv knowing he’s moving up the political ladder when they feel he doesn’t deserve that coveted position is what made them reassert their claims.
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 10, 2019 14:35:26 GMT
setting aside all questions about whether the allegations are true or not, with the timing of both these releases, it sure SOUNDS like some sort of a Republican hit job... but it also begs the question of why none of this came out during the election season. The first victim went to the Washington Post last year. The story was buried. That's a disingenuous description of what happened. Papers make choices about what stories to run and when all the time, based on journalistic investigation. The Post investigated the claims of the woman over the course of a few months, but could not uncover enough information to run a story. www.washingtonpost.com/local/va-lt-gov-justin-fairfax-denies-sex-assault-allegation-from-2004/2019/02/04/05fb0f6c-272b-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html?utm_term=.a3129c9d86afThat said, these are serious accusations and basically someone needs to unplug Virginia and plug it back in. February's been a helluva month.
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 10, 2019 14:37:34 GMT
The first victim went to the Washington Post last year. The story was buried. Yep. Interesting how this assault was buried. The assault wasn't "buried." Don't say things that aren't true. The paper that the woman went to, The Washington Post, could not journalistically justify running the story at that time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 16:23:54 GMT
"The Post carefully investigated the claim for several months. After being presented with facts consistent with the Lt. Governor's denial of the allegation, the absence of evidence corroborating the allegation, and significant red flags and inconsistencies within the allegation, the Post made the considered decision not to publish the story."
All of those issues existed with the allegations against Kavanaugh, yet the Washington Post printed those allegations as if they were true, while chanting “Believe Women!” And not the first time the Washington Post didn't apply those standards when it suited their bias. So, it doesn't appear that journalistic integrity would be the reason they're suddenly applying them now. It also didn't go unnoticed that they're not chanting "Believe Women". This time.
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Post by sasha on Feb 11, 2019 0:24:04 GMT
Yep. Interesting how this assault was buried. The assault wasn't "buried." Don't say things that aren't true. The paper that the woman went to, The Washington Post, could not journalistically justify running the story at that time. Oh yes, couldn't justify it journalistically. Unlike all the other things they run with that are he said, she said.
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Post by jenn on Feb 11, 2019 3:31:31 GMT
Yep. Interesting how this assault was buried. The assault wasn't "buried." Don't say things that aren't true. The paper that the woman went to, The Washington Post, could not journalistically justify running the story at that time. Your post really upsets me. How do you know it isn't true? Do you have an "in" at the Washington Post to let you know for certainty that the post wasn't buried, or are you just speculating? I was sexually assulted about ten years ago by a person I was casually dating. I didn't tell anyone, even though my gut tells me he had done it before. You can be sure if he ever runs for office or holds a position of regard I will make it known what he did to me. There is no evidence, so people like you would assume that it must be some political ploy. Nope. He drugged me and I didn't tell anyone.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 11, 2019 4:24:22 GMT
The assault wasn't "buried." Don't say things that aren't true. The paper that the woman went to, The Washington Post, could not journalistically justify running the story at that time. Your post really upsets me. How do you know it isn't true? Do you have an "in" at the Washington Post to let you know for certainty that the post wasn't buried, or are you just speculating? I was sexually assulted about ten years ago by a person I was casually dating. I didn't tell anyone, even though my gut tells me he had done it before. You can be sure if he ever runs for office or holds a position of regard I will make it known what he did to me. There is no evidence, so people like you would assume that it must be some political ploy. Nope. He drugged me and I didn't tell anyone. If I am reading correctly, I don't think she meant that the woman's story was not true, she just meant that the WAPO could not run the story based on lack of information that they could actually confirm.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 11, 2019 4:26:27 GMT
"The Post carefully investigated the claim for several months. After being presented with facts consistent with the Lt. Governor's denial of the allegation, the absence of evidence corroborating the allegation, and significant red flags and inconsistencies within the allegation, the Post made the considered decision not to publish the story." All of those issues existed with the allegations against Kavanaugh, yet the Washington Post printed those allegations as if they were true, while chanting “Believe Women!” And not the first time the Washington Post didn't apply those standards when it suited their bias. So, it doesn't appear that journalistic integrity would be the reason they're suddenly applying them now. It also didn't go unnoticed that they're not chanting "Believe Women". This time. More women came out and stated that Kavanaugh assaulted them too. WAPO reported what they could confirm. The ones who suppressed their testimony were the Republicans in Congress. All victims of sexual assault should be believed. Until there is a time that they should not.
WAPO is a center to left bias, however they are more higher rated across the board because they are more factually accurate reporting than others--unlike Fox News who is a definitive RIGHT bias, and has poor sourcing and spreads conspiracy theories, and was rated least truthful by Politifact.
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Post by Really Red on Feb 11, 2019 11:47:28 GMT
Your post really upsets me. How do you know it isn't true? Do you have an "in" at the Washington Post to let you know for certainty that the post wasn't buried, or are you just speculating? I was sexually assulted about ten years ago by a person I was casually dating. I didn't tell anyone, even though my gut tells me he had done it before. You can be sure if he ever runs for office or holds a position of regard I will make it known what he did to me. There is no evidence, so people like you would assume that it must be some political ploy. Nope. He drugged me and I didn't tell anyone. If I am reading correctly, I don't think she meant that the woman's story was not true, she just meant that the WAPO could not run the story based on lack of information that they could actually confirm. The story that the WaPo did NOT bury was that this woman (2004 assault) said that she and Fairfax had a consensual relationship through kissing. Then (and I need to be blunt here, sorry), Fairfax wanted her to go down on him. She did not want it, but never said no. She said he pushed her head. This is HER story. After the encounter, she continued a relationship (I do not know if it was sexual or not) with him for many years. I think we can all admit that while the woman should not have been forced to do anything she didn't want, she never said no (she says she never said no) and that doesn't fall under sexual assault. We all now know you should wait to hear a "yes" but in this case, the WaPo was justified in not taking it further. And jenn one of the MOST important things in a sexual assault is to tell people. If you come out 1o years down the road and tell everyone that Candidate Carl sexually assaulted you 10 years prior, you have to have some proof your accusation isn't politically motivated. In Dr. Ford's case, for example, she had told numerous people over the years what had happened. In my case, I told numerous people as well. My assaulter is dead, so there's nothing more I can do, but the person who threatened my job is still alive and I would do something. I went to HR at the time so they were aware about it, too.
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