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Post by librarylady on Feb 8, 2019 4:02:42 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 8, 2019 4:10:00 GMT
For now, with Chief Justice Roberts as the swing vote. Kavanaugh wrote a 'scathing' dissent. So much for established 'precedent' in his view!
So much for Sen Collins believing him..............................
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 4:51:56 GMT
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Post by amom23 on Feb 8, 2019 14:22:45 GMT
For now, with Chief Justice Roberts as the swing vote. Kavanaugh wrote a 'scathing' dissent. So much for established 'precedent' in his view! So much for Sen Collins believing him...........................…
I really hope the good people of Maine send that woman packing in 2020!
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Post by ashley on Feb 8, 2019 14:26:35 GMT
Abortion should be a non-issue in this day and age. I’m disgusted this continues to be a political problem in countries worldwide.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 8, 2019 14:31:24 GMT
Wow. Kavanaigh lies?? Shocking.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 8, 2019 14:45:22 GMT
For now, with Chief Justice Roberts as the swing vote. Kavanaugh wrote a 'scathing' dissent. So much for established 'precedent' in his view! So much for Sen Collins believing him.............................. Where is the "scathing" - quotes from you coming from? The article says: |
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Post by janeliz on Feb 8, 2019 14:54:50 GMT
I’d be interested to hear from some of the folks on this board who assure us that the right to a safe abortion isn’t now and never will be endangered.
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Post by AnotherPea on Feb 8, 2019 16:22:56 GMT
Abortion should be a non-issue in this day and age. I’m disgusted this continues to be a political problem in countries worldwide. a non-issue? I hear all the time from pro-choice people that pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. that no woman blithely decides to have an abortion and that abortion is carefully and cautiously considered by all women before a final decision is made. While I know that is not true, to read that it should be a non-issue and to see that others like the statement is a bit disconcerting. |
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Post by ashley on Feb 8, 2019 16:24:00 GMT
Abortion should be a non-issue in this day and age. I’m disgusted this continues to be a political problem in countries worldwide. a non-issue? I hear all the time from pro-choice people that pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. that no woman blithely decides to have an abortion and that abortion is carefully and cautiously considered by all women before a final decision is made. While I know that is not true, to read that it should be a non-issue and to see that others like the statement is a bit disconcerting. A woman’s right to safe medical care should not be an issue. End of story. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 8, 2019 16:26:52 GMT
Abortion should be a non-issue in this day and age. I’m disgusted this continues to be a political problem in countries worldwide. a non-issue? I hear all the time from pro-choice people that pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. that no woman blithely decides to have an abortion and that abortion is carefully and cautiously considered by all women before a final decision is made. While I know that is not true, to read that it should be a non-issue and to see that others like the statement is a bit disconcerting. I can't speak for Ashley, but I took her post to mean that the right to a safe abortion should not be in question in this day and age, and especially given the precedent of Roe V Wade. |
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Post by AnotherPea on Feb 8, 2019 16:30:22 GMT
a non-issue? I hear all the time from pro-choice people that pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. that no woman blithely decides to have an abortion and that abortion is carefully and cautiously considered by all women before a final decision is made. While I know that is not true, to read that it should be a non-issue and to see that others like the statement is a bit disconcerting. A woman’s right to safe medical care should not be an issue. End of story. oh. well, since you wrote end of story, I guess that means your POV is correct. abortion isn't always about medical care you know. But I'm sure you already knew that. "non-issue" is entirely too dismissive. You know what's a non-issue? deciding what brand of shoes to buy. choosing the black pants instead of the brown. Having hamburgers for dinner instead of spaghetti. Deciding if your child has the opportunity to be born is an issue. It should be carefully considered. And everyone's best interests, including that of the child, needs to be taken into account. |
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Post by ashley on Feb 8, 2019 16:33:40 GMT
A woman’s right to safe medical care should not be an issue. End of story. oh. well, since you wrote end of story, I guess that means your POV is correct. abortion isn't always about medical care you know. But I'm sure you already knew that. "non-issue" is entirely too dismissive. You know what's a non-issue? deciding what brand of shoes to buy. choosing the black pants instead of the brown. Having hamburgers for dinner instead of spaghetti. Deciding if your child has the opportunity to be born is an issue. It should be carefully considered. And everyone's best interests, including that of the child, needs to be taken into account. I didn’t mean that it should be a light and cavalier decision for the woman; I meant it’s not an issue for anyone else but her to consider. My health and body is a non-issue to you. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 8, 2019 16:35:27 GMT
A woman’s right to safe medical care should not be an issue. End of story. oh. well, since you wrote end of story, I guess that means your POV is correct. abortion isn't always about medical care you know. But I'm sure you already knew that. "non-issue" is entirely too dismissive. You know what's a non-issue? deciding what brand of shoes to buy. choosing the black pants instead of the brown. Having hamburgers for dinner instead of spaghetti. Deciding if your child has the opportunity to be born is an issue. It should be carefully considered. And everyone's best interests, including that of the child, needs to be taken into account. You are interpreting her post in a way that is way off base. She was not saying that people just flippantly decide to have an abortion. |
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Post by peano on Feb 8, 2019 16:38:19 GMT
A woman’s right to safe medical care should not be an issue. End of story. oh. well, since you wrote end of story, I guess that means your POV is correct. abortion isn't always about medical care you know. But I'm sure you already knew that. "non-issue" is entirely too dismissive. You know what's a non-issue? deciding what brand of shoes to buy. choosing the black pants instead of the brown. Having hamburgers for dinner instead of spaghetti. Deciding if your child has the opportunity to be born is an issue. It should be carefully considered. And everyone's best interests, including that of the child, needs to be taken into account. Oh FFS, I believe what she is referring to is the existing law, not the personal decision that should only be between a woman and her doctor, and not random strangers trying to impose their version of morality upon her. Are you being willfully obtuse? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 8, 2019 16:39:16 GMT
Abortion should be a non-issue in this day and age. I’m disgusted this continues to be a political problem in countries worldwide. a non-issue? I hear all the time from pro-choice people that pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. that no woman blithely decides to have an abortion and that abortion is carefully and cautiously considered by all women before a final decision is made. While I know that is not true, to read that it should be a non-issue and to see that others like the statement is a bit disconcerting. I take Ashley’s statement to read that politicians need to stop using women’s bodies as political and religious leverage. It’s disgusting and sickening. If the religious right stopped dumping money into the coffers for politics demanding of the politicians they fund to kill Roe vs Wade, it WOULD be a non-issue. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 8, 2019 16:46:13 GMT
A woman’s right to safe medical care should not be an issue. End of story. oh. well, since you wrote end of story, I guess that means your POV is correct. abortion isn't always about medical care you know. But I'm sure you already knew that. "non-issue" is entirely too dismissive. You know what's a non-issue? deciding what brand of shoes to buy. choosing the black pants instead of the brown. Having hamburgers for dinner instead of spaghetti. Deciding if your child has the opportunity to be born is an issue. It should be carefully considered. And everyone's best interests, including that of the child, needs to be taken into account. Your own words—“deciding if YOUR child has the opportunity...”. Make the case. It’s perfectly fine for you to decide what happens to YOUR body and YOUR child, but it is NOT okay for you or anyone else to tell me what to do with mine. End of story. Abortion is legal. Politicians and the religious right use it for their own political gain, and paint every woman having an abortion—regardless of the reason—as murderers or trot them out as whores. And on another tangent, In the cases of an unwanted pregnancy—the men who impregnate and demand abortions for unwanted birth—no consequences. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 16:57:27 GMT
I’d be interested to hear from some of the folks on this board who assure us that the right to a safe abortion isn’t now and never will be endangered. Come to NY - the land of late term abortions. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 17:13:38 GMT
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Post by kelbel827 on Feb 8, 2019 17:21:26 GMT
If I want 12 abortions, for whatever reason I may have, that’s up to me. No one else. And seriously, the women who have late term abortions for birth control are the minority.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 17:25:52 GMT
Black abortion rates"In New York City, thousands more black babies are aborted than born alive each year, and the abortion rate among black mothers is more than three times higher than it is for white mothers. According to a city Health Department report released in May, between 2012 and 2016 black mothers terminated 136,426 pregnancies and gave birth to 118,127 babies. By contrast, births far surpassed abortions among whites, Asians and Hispanics."
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Post by used2scrap on Feb 8, 2019 17:31:48 GMT
Black abortion rates"In New York City, thousands more black babies are aborted than born alive each year, and the abortion rate among black mothers is more than three times higher than it is for white mothers. According to a city Health Department report released in May, between 2012 and 2016 black mothers terminated 136,426 pregnancies and gave birth to 118,127 babies. By contrast, births far surpassed abortions among whites, Asians and Hispanics." We should be gravely concerned why black women seem to have far unequal access to reliable birth control. Unless you are implying something far more nefarious? |
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Post by kelbel827 on Feb 8, 2019 17:32:46 GMT
Armore, not your problem. Provide all the data you want, at the end of the day, it’s none of your business.
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Post by ashley on Feb 8, 2019 17:36:58 GMT
Black abortion rates"In New York City, thousands more black babies are aborted than born alive each year, and the abortion rate among black mothers is more than three times higher than it is for white mothers. According to a city Health Department report released in May, between 2012 and 2016 black mothers terminated 136,426 pregnancies and gave birth to 118,127 babies. By contrast, births far surpassed abortions among whites, Asians and Hispanics." This is concerning and I wonder why it happens. Black women also have higher mortality rates related to pregnancy and childbirth. I suspect systemic racism and other race-related factors are responsible. It’s very upsetting. |
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Post by likescarrots on Feb 8, 2019 17:37:29 GMT
Black abortion rates"In New York City, thousands more black babies are aborted than born alive each year, and the abortion rate among black mothers is more than three times higher than it is for white mothers. According to a city Health Department report released in May, between 2012 and 2016 black mothers terminated 136,426 pregnancies and gave birth to 118,127 babies. By contrast, births far surpassed abortions among whites, Asians and Hispanics." I certainly hope your point is to illustrate how systemic racism has prevented access to birth control and sexual health education for black women. I can't imagine why else you would post this other than because you're racist. If you REALLY want to lower abortion rates, provide access to free birth control and programs to educate people on how to use it and protect themselves. Banning abortions is not going to stop people from having abortions. |
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Post by johnnysmom on Feb 8, 2019 17:41:01 GMT
And seriously, the women who have late term abortions for birth control are the minority. Yep. I actually looked it up because I got baited into an abortion argument on Facebook  less than 1.3% of all abortions are performed after the 21st week, it's not like women in their 9th month are lined up around the block looking for an abortion. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 8, 2019 17:55:45 GMT
And seriously, the women who have late term abortions for birth control are the minority. Yep. I actually looked it up because I got baited into an abortion argument on Facebook less than 1.3% of all abortions are performed after the 21st week, it's not like women in their 9th month are lined up around the block looking for an abortion. And if you really want understanding on this topic, read first-person accounts from women who have made the very painful decision to end a pregnancy that late. Get your hanky first, because they're pretty harrowing. And then imagine telling a woman in this situation that she has to ask the permission of multiple strangers to go through with her choice, or telling her that she won't be allowed to make what she feels is the kindest, most humane choice for her unborn child because the right thinks she's a selfish, amoral baby killer. This isn't about birth control. This is about showing compassion and humanity to a woman having the worst time of her life. |
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Post by thundergal on Feb 8, 2019 17:59:21 GMT
Black abortion rates"In New York City, thousands more black babies are aborted than born alive each year, and the abortion rate among black mothers is more than three times higher than it is for white mothers. According to a city Health Department report released in May, between 2012 and 2016 black mothers terminated 136,426 pregnancies and gave birth to 118,127 babies. By contrast, births far surpassed abortions among whites, Asians and Hispanics." I certainly hope your point is to illustrate how systemic racism has prevented access to birth control and sexual health education for black women. I can't imagine why else you would post this other than because you're racist. If you REALLY want to lower abortion rates, provide access to free birth control and programs to educate people on how to use it and protect themselves. Banning abortions is not going to stop people from having abortions. Truth. All of that... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 18:06:25 GMT
I’d be interested to hear from some of the folks on this board who assure us that the right to a safe abortion isn’t now and never will be endangered. Come to NY - the land of late term abortions. Late term abortions are very rare. Something that pri- birth pull out for the shock value. |
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Post by johnnysmom on Feb 8, 2019 18:11:03 GMT
Yep. I actually looked it up because I got baited into an abortion argument on Facebook less than 1.3% of all abortions are performed after the 21st week, it's not like women in their 9th month are lined up around the block looking for an abortion. And if you really want understanding on this topic, read first-person accounts from women who have made the very painful decision to end a pregnancy that late. Get your hanky first, because they're pretty harrowing. And then imagine telling a woman in this situation that she has to ask the permission of multiple strangers to go through with her choice, or telling her that she won't be allowed to make what she feels is the kindest, most humane choice for her unborn child because the right thinks she's a selfish, amoral baby killer. This isn't about birth control. This is about showing compassion and humanity to a woman having the worst time of her life. No, I don't, but I'll have to keep it in mind if my family doesn't stfu on facebook. Perhaps if they realize that women don't choose an abortion on a whim, they choose it because at that point its the best option (and sometimes a last resort option). |
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less than 1.3% of all abortions are performed after the 21st week, it's not like women in their 9th month are lined up around the block looking for an abortion.
