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Post by librarylady on Feb 13, 2019 1:58:33 GMT
Others will embrace the owner........
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Post by lucyg on Feb 13, 2019 2:00:53 GMT
aw jeez.
Would. Not. Set. Foot. In. That. Store.
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Post by RosieKat on Feb 13, 2019 2:03:37 GMT
I have only once totally boycotted a business, but this one would make twice.
I guess what they're shooting for is something like "You have to follow the rules to get into heaven," thus the claim that it isn't political. So OK, fine, maybe it's not 100% political then...only 95%.
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Post by Merge on Feb 13, 2019 2:08:50 GMT
I'd exercise my right to shop elsewhere.
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Post by heather on Feb 13, 2019 2:09:27 GMT
Hmmm, guess he never heard the expression ‘gates of hell’ Doesn’t sound open border-y to me.
MHGA!!
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Feb 13, 2019 2:12:43 GMT
"Digby said the store owner was aiming for a Christian message, nothing political."
Which is why his message alludes to one of the most recognizable political topics of the day.
Got it.
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Post by lucyg on Feb 13, 2019 3:00:26 GMT
"Digby said the store owner was aiming for a Christian message, nothing political." Which is why his message alludes to one of the most recognizable political topics of the day. Got it. And ya know what? I’m not comfortable with Christian messages, either. It’s hard enough being a non-Christian in this country already, drowning in 10-foot-deep Christianity as it is. I’m not spending money at any store that pushes religion so hard. Not as long as I have other options. |
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Post by Loydene on Feb 13, 2019 3:34:52 GMT
I do't think people like that are really Christian ... I think they don't really understand Christianity.
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Post by librarylady on Feb 13, 2019 4:05:12 GMT
"Digby said the store owner was aiming for a Christian message, nothing political." Which is why his message alludes to one of the most recognizable political topics of the day. Got it. And ya know what? I’m not comfortable with Christian messages, either. It’s hard enough being a non-Christian in this country already, drowning in 10-foot-deep Christianity as it is. I’m not spending money at any store that pushes religion so hard. Not as long as I have other options. I'm a Christian and I am put off by this as well. It is also my observation that 99% of the time the person who slaps "Christian" on his/her business is dishonest and trying to commercialize religion. I avoid those type businesses.
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 13, 2019 4:14:20 GMT
Hmmm, guess he never heard the expression ‘gates of hell’ Doesn’t sound open border-y to me. MHGA!!  Thanks, I just had to explain to my family why I snorted. 
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 13, 2019 4:18:00 GMT
Steve King R-IA just echoed the same on Twitter.
But you don’t see a single republican/conservative calling for him to resign.
Only “proud to serve with Steve” bullshit.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Feb 13, 2019 6:51:15 GMT
I would not take my business to anyone who shoved religion down my throat whilst I was shopping, and I certainly would not put money in the till of someone who waved political messages in my face, misguided or otherwise.
Let's hope that enough shoppers vote with their feet and give him reason to regret this.
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Post by pattyraindrops on Feb 13, 2019 7:09:11 GMT
I don't like it at all either and I wouldn't support the business if it were near me, but I have to say as a person who actively works on helping the asylum seekers who have entered our country on a regular basis I don't see a real difference in this and what Penseys does.
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Post by lucyg on Feb 13, 2019 7:43:05 GMT
I don't like it at all either and I wouldn't support the business if it were near me, but I have to say as a person who actively works on helping the asylum seekers who have entered our country on a regular basis I don't see a real difference in this and what Penseys does. Penzeys’ political messages don’t bother me personally, but I think they’re nuts to be so outspoken. Clearly they are more interested in pushing the message than keeping all their customers. If a company was pushing either political or religious messages that did bug me, I’d be outta there fast. I guess a straight religious message, such as a Biblical verse on a takeout cup which I think In-N-Out does, doesn’t bother me. But the despicable (to me) political message wrapped up in purported Christianity in the OP would put me right over the edge. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 10:42:24 GMT
That's rich! IMO it's them that is putting a political spin on things . Why use the word immigrant if they don't mean to have a political spin in their message.
By definition immigration is a choice of going to live permanently in another country. Generally, leaving aside the taking of your own life, no one chooses to die, therefore there are no immigrants trying to enter heaven. Emigrating is a physical action by a live human being. No one as far as anyone knows has physically entered heaven, or hell come to that.
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Post by J u l e e on Feb 13, 2019 11:11:39 GMT
There is so much wrong with that message. i don't know where to begin.
But as an aside, I abhor the expression "let that sink in". It's so arrogantly smug. My MAGA bully Facebook friend is always reposting what he thinks are knowledge dropping types of gotcha memes and telling us to let that sink in. Makes me want to throw my phone.
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Post by Really Red on Feb 13, 2019 11:41:02 GMT
Even when I was religious, I refused to set foot in stores that promoted religion by leaving religious tracts, etc., around. It reminds me of Nazi Germany.
No way would I frequent that store.
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Post by Merge on Feb 13, 2019 11:47:34 GMT
It's not even the political message that I disagree with that bothers me; it's that it's an argument in bad faith. Being opposed to a giant, expensive wall does not mean that one is in favor of open borders. Objecting to false, racist comments made by our president about immigrants does not mean that a person wants open borders. No Republican is proposing a wall on our northern border. Does that mean they're all OK with "open borders?" No.
To me, the message is more about pushing that false narrative about what the resistance believes - like Trump himself standing there and calling us the party of infanticide and violent crime. I mean, really?
An argument that can't win on its own merits isn't a good argument at all .
Penzey's promotes a message of peace, inclusion and fighting for what is right. They're not making bad-faith arguments about what Trumpers supposedly believe. They're not ending their emails with smug "let that sink in" messaging. But certainly they've lost customers for the choice they've made to speak out, and that's fine. People can shop where they like.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 12:09:08 GMT
Aiming for a Christian message, missing the spirit of Christianity by a country mile.
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Post by quinlove on Feb 13, 2019 12:25:52 GMT
Aiming for a Christian message, missing the spirit of Christianity by a country mile. But hit the message of hate and racism right on. |
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Post by mustlovecats on Feb 13, 2019 12:46:57 GMT
Spent most of Monday afternoon in a meeting between teachers and area pastors to talk about refugee and immigrant kids and what those families need to thrive and do well in our county. Such a striking difference to me.
God’s immigration policy is an adoption policy, this meme is off the mark.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 13:17:30 GMT
Spent most of Monday afternoon in a meeting between teachers and area pastors to talk about refugee and immigrant kids and what those families need to thrive and do well in our county. Such a striking difference to me. God’s immigration policy is an adoption policy, this meme is off the mark. Reminded me of this tweet: ps - The more people have to tell you how Christian they are, the faster you should run away. You can spot those who follow Jesus' message of peace by their actions - w/o any signs, trinkets, t-shirts, hats. |
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Post by Loydene on Feb 13, 2019 13:42:44 GMT
I don't like it at all either and I wouldn't support the business if it were near me, but I have to say as a person who actively works on helping the asylum seekers who have entered our country on a regular basis I don't see a real difference in this and what Penseys does. Penzeys doesn't try to hang the Christianity label on their messages. They totally OWN that they are making political statements. People can decide whether or not they wish to support the political message. |
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Post by paget on Feb 13, 2019 14:02:44 GMT
I am a Christian and that is a gross “message.” I would shop elsewhere.
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Post by pattyraindrops on Feb 13, 2019 14:28:58 GMT
Spent most of Monday afternoon in a meeting between teachers and area pastors to talk about refugee and immigrant kids and what those families need to thrive and do well in our county. Such a striking difference to me. God’s immigration policy is an adoption policy, this meme is off the mark. Most people just have no idea. That is one of the things that is at the heart of what my organization does - share with people what they are going through and have gone through. I see hearts start to change when we give the information of what got them here and what they will go through when they get here. One of the things first taught to me when I came into this was to remember that people fear terrorists for good reason and that I wouldn't change hearts by arguing about terrorists and refugees. Instead, ask them what they do to help others and express sincere gratitude for what they do. I have found it brings peace to my conversations. If this is someone I am just meeting in a store or something and will never see them again I just leave it at that. With others I see on a more regular basis I will start to share a refugee or asylee story here or there and I start to see people come around as they recognize how much refugees/asylum seekers have gone through or are going through. That knowledge is a powerful thing. The understanding of it starts to blow away fears. Little by little I see people change and even start to help refugees and asylum seekers. |
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Thanks, I just had to explain to my family why I snorted. 
