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Post by snowsilver on Feb 14, 2019 20:26:52 GMT
News media is reporting the AOC is "celebrating" the decision of Amazon to pull out of Long Island and taking credit for it. Apparently Eliz. Warren is also doing some cheering.
I wonder what the Peas think of this. More than 70 percent of New Yorkers backed the plan. Dem. Gov. Cuomo (of whom I am NO fan) worked diligently to get the deal through. It would have brought 25,000 jobs into the state which is desperately trying to keep its people. New Yorkers are fleeing the state enmasse because of taxes. Cuomo even lamented the fact that the rich are fleeing the state saying that we NEED them. And here this lovely deal that he worked so hard on is now gone.
You know where they WILL build? I'd lay odds that some southern conservative state will end up getting the deal. And the jobs.
I honestly don't understand this fascination with AOC and the like. I find her disingenuous and dangerous.
I'd be interested in how the rest of you view this.
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Post by busy on Feb 14, 2019 20:33:59 GMT
There were a lot of justified concerns about what it would really mean for the city, and the workers. If it was anything like what's happened in Seattle, it could drive housing prices up even further in areas of the city that are relatively affordable by NYC standards. I never thought that them moving into a big city with geographic limitations and already high cost of living made the most sense.
They're still planning to build the Arlington, VA, location and sounds like that location will be larger than previously planned.
It's a complicated issue. It's not as simple as 25,000 new jobs. I don't have a strong opinion one way or another; I think there are a lot of pros and cons.
I don't get the right's obsession with maligning AOC. Do I agree with her on everything? Not even close. Do I love seeing passionate new blood in our political system? Absolutely.
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Post by busy on Feb 14, 2019 20:39:21 GMT
All very valid concerns IMO Source
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Feb 14, 2019 20:56:37 GMT
My son and nephew and their families live in Seattle. Amazon's impact on housing (and the trickle down to schools, transportation/traffic, etc.) has been incredible -- in a bad way (at least for now, and until things catch up).
It's exciting to make plans for all the money that *will be* pouring in, but there's no way to get construction & infrastructure done fast enough to handle the people & traffic that start pouring in even before any Amazon HQ building opens.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Feb 14, 2019 21:05:33 GMT
AOC is very passionate but I find her ideas frightening. The sad part is, many people hear the word *free* and think her ideas are great. Nothing is free, someone has to pay for it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 21:08:55 GMT
Not Long Island, but Long Island City...Queens. A neighborhood across the river from Manhattan. I am happy Amazon is not coming here...
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Post by pierkiss on Feb 14, 2019 21:18:31 GMT
The loss of potential jobs should never be celebrated. The loss of actual jobs should also never be celebrated.
States with backwards laws and lawmakers that try and repress and harm citizens should not be rewarded with lucrative contracts (sorry not sorry) (and I don’t know that that’s what’s going to happen here, only mentioning it because Snow said something about it above in her OP).
AOC is not my favorite person. I believe she is trying to do good, but she is doing it as a bull in a china shop. And that makes her dangerous (to me).
I do not think NY was the best place for amazon to build that hub. The traffic situation is a serious concern. That said, I don’t live here and I’m not following this story too closely. The only thing I care about is hat they don’t decided to send all those jobs overseas.
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Post by mustlovecats on Feb 14, 2019 21:23:15 GMT
I live in northern Virginia a bit further out from the new amazon site and I’m glad they’re coming. Our regional economy stayed pretty strong during the recession and I think it was in part because we had so many companies here that survived and kept us afloat.
I like AOC but I disagree with her on this.
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Post by AmandaA on Feb 14, 2019 21:37:31 GMT
I didn’t follow the final plan closely, but I would guess that 70% of New Yorkers weren’t going to be directly (and significantly) impacted like the folks who live right where it was planned. Perhaps they reap some of the economic benefits without any of the downside. Not saying that I want it in my immediate neighborhood either, but I am not sure how relevant a polling number like that is in the big scheme of the discussion.
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Post by Sarah*H on Feb 14, 2019 21:39:03 GMT
Considering the $3 billion in tax breaks promised by the city and state and the very real issues of housing, transportation and impact on the people already living in Long Island City, I'd say it's more nuanced than "70% of New Yorkers backed the plan." Maybe they should build upstate instead.
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Post by pilcas on Feb 14, 2019 21:47:58 GMT
All very valid concerns IMO SourceAs a resident of Queens, NY I did not think it was a good idea.
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Post by snowsilver on Feb 14, 2019 21:51:52 GMT
Considering the $3 billion in tax breaks promised by the city and state and the very real issues of housing, transportation and impact on the people already living in Long Island City, I'd say it's more nuanced than "70% of New Yorkers backed the plan." Maybe they should build upstate instead. Oh, Sarah, you have NO idea how well that idea would go over. Depending on what you call "upstate". Upstate actually includes most of New York and we are going crazy trying to find jobs and pay our massive taxes which support NYC. How we would LOVE to break away from that parasite. And if Amazon had decided to build in say the western part of the state, people would have been dancing for joy. Yes, there would have to be big upgrades to infrastructure but, heck, we've been begging for that for YEARS! No money--it all goes to NYC. Rochester would have been a fantastic location. It has good infrastructure already, a nice mix of working class and wealthy, good shopping, wonderful restaurants, etc. etc. So....what a great idea! Wish you could have chatted with our governor about that!
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Post by lucyg on Feb 14, 2019 22:26:05 GMT
I live in northern Virginia a bit further out from the new amazon site and I’m glad they’re coming. Our regional economy stayed pretty strong during the recession and I think it was in part because we had so many companies here that survived and kept us afloat. I like AOC but I disagree with her on this. There’s a world of difference between Northern Virginia and Queens. I think Northern Virginia is a great location, too.
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Post by mustlovecats on Feb 14, 2019 22:34:43 GMT
I live in northern Virginia a bit further out from the new amazon site and I’m glad they’re coming. Our regional economy stayed pretty strong during the recession and I think it was in part because we had so many companies here that survived and kept us afloat. I like AOC but I disagree with her on this. There’s a world of difference between Northern Virginia and Queens. I think Northern Virginia is a great location, too. Fair, but the same arguments were made here. Already high cost of living and low availability of housing in general let alone affordable, will locals really get those jobs, can the infrastructure handle it, because after all they are locating in an urban center close to National airport rather than in the suburbs out where I live.
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Post by lisae on Feb 15, 2019 0:40:44 GMT
I saw this post earlier but waited until watching the evening news before commenting. Since Amazon is declining to choose another location, I think they used political opposition as an excuse. I never understood why they choose such expensive locations as NYC and DC as locations in the first place. I wonder if Bezos personal problems are entering into decisions about something as expensive and time consuming as building another headquarters.
However, I don't think that one politician should be so openly critical of decisions already made. We have someone in the White House trying to undo everything his predecessor did using whatever means necessary. This isn't quite the same thing but this political tone is unproductive and a real turn off. I often don't approve of his actions and in this case I don't approve of hers. It would be state and local government's choice on how to spend their money. If she wanted a say in what they did, she should have run for a state office. There are plenty of issues before Congress and that is where her concerns need to lie.
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Post by lauradrumm on Feb 15, 2019 1:27:01 GMT
News media is reporting the AOC is "celebrating" the decision of Amazon to pull out of Long Island and taking credit for it. Apparently Eliz. Warren is also doing some cheering. I wonder what the Peas think of this. More than 70 percent of New Yorkers backed the plan. Dem. Gov. Cuomo (of whom I am NO fan) worked diligently to get the deal through. It would have brought 25,000 jobs into the state which is desperately trying to keep its people. New Yorkers are fleeing the state enmasse because of taxes. Cuomo even lamented the fact that the rich are fleeing the state saying that we NEED them. And here this lovely deal that he worked so hard on is now gone. You know where they WILL build? I'd lay odds that some southern conservative state will end up getting the deal. And the jobs. I honestly don't understand this fascination with AOC and the like. I find her disingenuous and dangerous. I'd be interested in how the rest of you view this. LOW WAGE JOBS for the most part!
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Post by lauradrumm on Feb 15, 2019 1:28:47 GMT
The loss of potential jobs should never be celebrated. The loss of actual jobs should also never be celebrated. States with backwards laws and lawmakers that try and repress and harm citizens should not be rewarded with lucrative contracts (sorry not sorry) (and I don’t know that that’s what’s going to happen here, only mentioning it because Snow said something about it above in her OP). AOC is not my favorite person. I believe she is trying to do good, but she is doing it as a bull in a china shop. And that makes her dangerous (to me). I do not think NY was the best place for amazon to build that hub. The traffic situation is a serious concern. That said, I don’t live here and I’m not following this story too closely. The only thing I care about is hat they don’t decided to send all those jobs overseas. You mean unlike the other wonderful politicians that have done nothing for years!
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Post by ntsf on Feb 15, 2019 1:37:03 GMT
bezos has so much money he could build 10 headquarters without blinking.. and a headquarters would not be low payed jobs.. but high payed jobs mostly held by outside new york people..
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Post by quiltedbrain on Feb 15, 2019 1:37:27 GMT
AOC is very passionate but I find her ideas frightening. The sad part is, many people hear the word *free* and think her ideas are great. Nothing is free, someone has to pay for it. You have not fully understood AOC's positions if you think she's postulating anything as free with no understanding and/or plan of where the money to pay for things that benefit us ALL would come from. AOC is one smart cookie, and I cannot wait to see more from her!!
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Post by 950nancy on Feb 15, 2019 1:57:03 GMT
I think it is similar to making pot legal. All of the positives are reported and people think of the benefits in $. You have to also consider the negatives and plan for both. Both sound good in theory, but they also have drawbacks.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 15, 2019 2:29:17 GMT
I can see both sides. I can understand why locals would not have been happy about all of the rising costs.
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 15, 2019 2:34:14 GMT
Honestly, I think Amazon was incredibly short-sighted not to expect push back when they choose a community that is represented by left-leaning progressive politics. To me, it is like when a sports team leaves a city because the city won't pay for a new stadium. Local taxpayers subsidizing billionaires far beyond what the community gains is ridiculous. This LA Times article has a nice review of how the deal fell apart.
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 15, 2019 2:43:54 GMT
Considering the $3 billion in tax breaks promised by the city and state and the very real issues of housing, transportation and impact on the people already living in Long Island City, I'd say it's more nuanced than "70% of New Yorkers backed the plan." Maybe they should build upstate instead. Oh, Sarah, you have NO idea how well that idea would go over. Depending on what you call "upstate". Upstate actually includes most of New York and we are going crazy trying to find jobs and pay our massive taxes which support NYC. How we would LOVE to break away from that parasite. And if Amazon had decided to build in say the western part of the state, people would have been dancing for joy. Yes, there would have to be big upgrades to infrastructure but, heck, we've been begging for that for YEARS! No money--it all goes to NYC. Rochester would have been a fantastic location. It has good infrastructure already, a nice mix of working class and wealthy, good shopping, wonderful restaurants, etc. etc. So....what a great idea! Wish you could have chatted with our governor about that! These are the requirements Amazon put out in their request for proposals: - metro area of at least 1 million population
- an international airport no more than 45 minutes away
- mass transit service on-site and major highways not more than two miles distant
- highly educated labor pool
- good cellphone and fiber coverage
- a political and social culture that supports a diverse population and a high quality of life
I don't know anything about Rochester, but if it meets the requirements, you should ask your town council if they submitted a proposal and/or why not.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 15, 2019 2:45:52 GMT
AOC is very passionate but I find her ideas frightening. The sad part is, many people hear the word *free* and think her ideas are great. Nothing is free, someone has to pay for it. I think she is shedding light on what Republicans and conservatives are taking advantage of. Trump’s tax cut for the upper 1%....he doled it out without a plan to pay for it. Amazon paid almost ZERO taxes (hurting the cities, schools, property) for bargains on tax breaks. It’s NOT her saying that things are *free* it is AOC pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of the republicans, and educating people on exactly what us and has been happening. When you read/hear some of what she’s suggesting, it makes such simple sense, and SHOULD be attainable, however the people in charge are making sure that those who have funded or paid loyalty into thus administration are rewarded, and often at the expense of those who need help the most.
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Post by suzastampin on Feb 15, 2019 12:45:27 GMT
Considering the $3 billion in tax breaks promised by the city and state and the very real issues of housing, transportation and impact on the people already living in Long Island City, I'd say it's more nuanced than "70% of New Yorkers backed the plan." Maybe they should build upstate instead. New York state could use the jobs as people are leaving NY at a rapid pace, especially since Trump decided only $10,000 of taxes can now be claimed on their income tax. There were a couple of places upstate that sent in plans when they were looking for a place to land. I don’t think NYC was the place to put it, but upstate could definitely use the shot in the arm.
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