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Post by librarylady on Feb 20, 2019 16:52:06 GMT
HOW?? just HOW could ANYONE have thought this was a good idea?
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Post by julie5 on Feb 20, 2019 16:55:09 GMT
I like how the model is slamming them and saying how ashamed she is for being a part of this. ...but she put it on and walked in it. I mean did she not see the clothing as it was put on her body? Outrage after the fact seems hollow.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Feb 20, 2019 16:59:27 GMT
JFC!! š
Why would anyone, any corporation, think that could ever be okay?!?!
Do you realize how many people had to "touch" that idea from conception to finished marketed product, and yet it still went through?!
Hateful, hideous people.
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Post by librarylady on Feb 20, 2019 17:03:15 GMT
I like how the model is slamming them and saying how ashamed she is for being a part of this. ...but she put it on and walked in it. I mean did she not see the clothing as it was put on her body? Outrage after the fact seems hollow. But, we don't know how badly she need the money. Sometimes one wants to eat. --and I don't think models know ahead of time what they are going to wear.....and perhaps she was thinking, "If I make a big fuss--will I get another job? Will I be known as the person who backs out when it is time to hit the runway?"
I don't know what I'd have done so I'm not going to slam her.
I am going to slam all the buyers/marketing folks etc who made the decision this was a good idea.
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Post by gar on Feb 20, 2019 17:08:17 GMT
I like how the model is slamming them and saying how ashamed she is for being a part of this. ...but she put it on and walked in it. I mean did she not see the clothing as it was put on her body? Outrage after the fact seems hollow. But, we don't know how badly she need the money. Sometimes one wants to eat. --and I don't think models know ahead of time what they are going to wear.....and perhaps she was thinking, "If I make a big fuss--will I get another job? Will I be known as the person who backs out when it is time to hit the runway?"
I don't know what I'd have done so I'm not going to slam her.
I am going to slam all the buyers/marketing folks etc who made the decision this was a good idea.
Agreed. She may have feared for her career if, having arrived at the job, she saw what she had to wear and had walked out. She probably would have had a. black mark against her name for doing that with a company with their clout. But Burberry should have known better.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 17:08:57 GMT
Well I think that the brand is out of touch And probably preceived to be dying.
Now they have controversy, and will be selling crap like hot cakes.
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Post by busy on Feb 20, 2019 17:20:33 GMT
I like how the model is slamming them and saying how ashamed she is for being a part of this. ...but she put it on and walked in it. I mean did she not see the clothing as it was put on her body? Outrage after the fact seems hollow. I'm not sure that's very fair. Models don't get to choose what they wear and may not know what they're wearing until right before they walk. And this model doesn't appear to be high profile or highly experienced and she is probably pretty young - she's not some supermodel who has a lot of influence who might feel confident speaking up in the moment against the item. She would probably be scared about losing her job and tanking her career - fashion is a pretty small world. I give her a lot of credit for being brave enough to speak up at all, even after the fact.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Feb 20, 2019 17:22:23 GMT
Do every day people really buy outfits from magazines and fashion shows?
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Post by gar on Feb 20, 2019 17:29:34 GMT
Do every day people really buy outfits from magazines and fashion shows? The style will (would have?) filtered down through the copies 'in the style of' so, although not that many 'everyday people' perhaps buy Burberry it would have influenced other chain store items.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 17:31:12 GMT
JFC!! š Why would anyone, any corporation, think that could ever be okay?!?! Do you realize how many people had to "touch" that idea from conception to finished marketed product, and yet it still went through?! Hateful, hideous people. I agree with you on everything but the hateful part. I don't think the designers put this together thinking of lynchings and being hateful. More than likely it was something along the lines of let's get creative with knot work instead of just letting the drawstring hang in a typical boring fashion. But you're right, someone should have seen what it looked like and said NOPE let's try again.
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Post by dewryce on Feb 20, 2019 17:32:51 GMT
I like how the model is slamming them and saying how ashamed she is for being a part of this. ...but she put it on and walked in it. I mean did she not see the clothing as it was put on her body? Outrage after the fact seems hollow. But, we don't know how badly she need the money. Sometimes one wants to eat. --and I don't think models know ahead of time what they are going to wear.....and perhaps she was thinking, "If I make a big fuss--will I get another job? Will I be known as the person who backs out when it is time to hit the runway?"
I don't know what I'd have done so I'm not going to slam her.
I am going to slam all the buyers/marketing folks etc who made the decision this was a good idea.
Maybe itās not this way at all shows, but from any documentaries Iāve seen I think models have to attend fittings before runway shows. I would imagine this to be the case for a big show like Burberry. I can see what youāre saying about fearing for future work. Of course, slamming them now may not help her either.
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Post by Really Red on Feb 20, 2019 17:36:10 GMT
It gets their stuff talked about. I mean who even thinks of that brand (which I do not name on purpose) anymore? That is why it disgusts me more. I think they absolutely knew what was going to happen and did it on purpose.
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Post by busy on Feb 20, 2019 17:38:10 GMT
But, we don't know how badly she need the money. Sometimes one wants to eat. --and I don't think models know ahead of time what they are going to wear.....and perhaps she was thinking, "If I make a big fuss--will I get another job? Will I be known as the person who backs out when it is time to hit the runway?"
I don't know what I'd have done so I'm not going to slam her.
I am going to slam all the buyers/marketing folks etc who made the decision this was a good idea.
Maybe itās not this way at all shows, but from any documentaries Iāve seen I think models have to attend fittings before runway shows. I would imagine this to be the case for a big show like Burberry. I can see what youāre saying about fearing for future work. Of course, slamming them now may not help her either. The article said she attended a fitting and brought her concern up, but it was dismissed "it's just fashion." I still think it would be incredibly scary and risky as a young adult to refuse an assignment like that; the chances of damaging your career in an extremely competitive industry would be high. It's easy to judge from afar, but I bet in reality, not many of us would have the nerve to stand up in the same situation when we were young.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 17:39:07 GMT
They had to know how this was going to play out. It's their awful attempt to get their brand name back into the limelight whether it through good or negative publicity. Just like the Gucci sweater:
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Post by zella on Feb 20, 2019 17:39:25 GMT
I like how the model is slamming them and saying how ashamed she is for being a part of this. ...but she put it on and walked in it. I mean did she not see the clothing as it was put on her body? Outrage after the fact seems hollow. But, we don't know how badly she need the money. Sometimes one wants to eat. --and I don't think models know ahead of time what they are going to wear.....and perhaps she was thinking, "If I make a big fuss--will I get another job? Will I be known as the person who backs out when it is time to hit the runway?" I don't know what I'd have done so I'm not going to slam her. I am going to slam all the buyers/marketing folks etc who made the decision this was a good idea. She gets no pass from me. Don't care what her reasons were. When good people do nothing and say nothing, really bad things happen. I know for a fact that had it been me I would NOT have worn that, no matter what. I'd say I'd never buy Burberry, but I never have/could/would anyway.
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Feb 20, 2019 17:42:09 GMT
I am not buying the poor model had no choice. We HAVE a choice to keep our personal values and principles. That is how the Me Too movement finally started, some one finally said, NO, I will not let you take advantage of me to further my career. We, as a society and as women need to keep our principles and say no to things like this.
Can you imagine the publicity she would have received had she made a stink and said, I will NOT wear something so offensive. She would be famous for standing up to the designer. I bet most would have said, good for her.
It was wrong and all involved are wrong.
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Post by miominmio on Feb 20, 2019 17:42:22 GMT
JFC!! š Why would anyone, any corporation, think that could ever be okay?!?! Do you realize how many people had to "touch" that idea from conception to finished marketed product, and yet it still went through?! Hateful, hideous people. Why would it be considered Ā«hatefulĀ»? Tasteless, yes, but hateful?
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Post by zella on Feb 20, 2019 17:46:42 GMT
If you read the article you'll see that yes, she had a fitting prior to the show. She could have backed out, made up a fake excuse if she had to. She also states that the designers were WELL aware of what they were doing, even hanging it from the ceiling and joking about it. I don't know whether to be more enraged about it as a symbol of suicide or a symbol of lynchings. I'll go with both.
Absolutely disgusting. No excuses for this. Period. This was not a slip in judgment. As someone else said, think how many people had to go along with this.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Feb 20, 2019 17:47:09 GMT
Do every day people really buy outfits from magazines and fashion shows? Exactly. The stuff designed by Karl Lagerfeld, that was shown yesterday was mindbogglingly unrealistic. Who wears this stuff. The noose was certainly a step too far, for many reasons.
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Post by zella on Feb 20, 2019 17:47:50 GMT
JFC!! š Why would anyone, any corporation, think that could ever be okay?!?! Do you realize how many people had to "touch" that idea from conception to finished marketed product, and yet it still went through?! Hateful, hideous people. Why would it be considered Ā«hatefulĀ»? Tasteless, yes, but hateful? Because it is a symbol of lynchings. Racism. The KKK. That's why.
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Post by miominmio on Feb 20, 2019 17:49:57 GMT
Why would it be considered Ā«hatefulĀ»? Tasteless, yes, but hateful? Because it is a symbol of lynchings. Racism. The KKK. That's why. But Burberry is a British brand, so I think that is a stretch. To me it is tasteless because the British used hanging for executing condemned prisoners, not everyone sees everything through a US lens.
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Post by zella on Feb 20, 2019 17:53:01 GMT
Because it is a symbol of lynchings. Racism. The KKK. That's why. But Burberry is a British brand, so I think that is a stretch. To me it is tasteless because the British used hanging for executing condemned prisoners, not everyone sees everything through a US lens. Burberry started in the UK, yes, but it is an international brand now. And any educated Brit is aware of lynchings and the KKK. Trust me. It's not just me seeing it through a US lens. And don't forget that though I've lived in the US most of my life, I was born and raised and educated in England.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 20, 2019 17:53:13 GMT
nautical- they said that knot was inspired by the marine theme of the collection and nautical knots... they couldn't have come up with a DIFFERENT knot than that one?!? that's horrible. The model who spoke up was a different one, and said it triggered her due to the suicide connection of a noose. Either way, VERY stupid idea.
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Post by miominmio on Feb 20, 2019 17:57:21 GMT
But Burberry is a British brand, so I think that is a stretch. To me it is tasteless because the British used hanging for executing condemned prisoners, not everyone sees everything through a US lens. Burberry started in the UK, yes, but it is an international brand now. And any educated Brit is aware of lynchings and the KKK. Trust me. It's not just me seeing it through a US lens. And don't forget that though I've lived in the US most of my life, I was born and raised and educated in England. If the model wearing it had been a WOC, I would have agreed, but I still think thisis looking through a US lens.
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Post by miominmio on Feb 20, 2019 17:58:47 GMT
nautical- they said that knot was inspired by the marine theme of the collection and nautical knots... they couldn't have come up with a DIFFERENT knot than that one?!? that's horrible. The model who spoke up was a different one, and said it triggered her due to the suicide connection of a noose. Either way, VERY stupid idea. The suicide connection is what I think most (at least Europeans) would think of.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Feb 20, 2019 18:01:00 GMT
JFC!! š Why would anyone, any corporation, think that could ever be okay?!?! Do you realize how many people had to "touch" that idea from conception to finished marketed product, and yet it still went through?! Hateful, hideous people. Why would it be considered Ā«hatefulĀ»? Tasteless, yes, but hateful? Nooses have violent, often hate-crime, connotations. I can't think of even one instance when a noose would bring to mind happy events. The company knew exactly what a noose would bring to mind. They went with it, hoping for attention, be it good or bad.
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Post by zella on Feb 20, 2019 18:02:38 GMT
Well, I guess we'll have to disagree on this. You CANNOT be a well-educated adult in Europe and be unaware of the US history surrounding racism anymore than you can be a well-educated adult in the US and be unaware of the Holocaust.
We'll see if other British Peas chime in.
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Post by bbkeef on Feb 20, 2019 18:02:48 GMT
This is just sick. If it was inspired by a nautical knot, then use a different knot! There are tons to choose from. This is somebody (designer? or promoter?) just looking for notoriety.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Feb 20, 2019 18:03:27 GMT
JFC!! š Why would anyone, any corporation, think that could ever be okay?!?! Do you realize how many people had to "touch" that idea from conception to finished marketed product, and yet it still went through?! Hateful, hideous people. I agree with you on everything but the hateful part. I don't think the designers put this together thinking of lynchings and being hateful. More than likely it was something along the lines of let's get creative with knot work instead of just letting the drawstring hang in a typical boring fashion. But you're right, someone should have seen what it looked like and said NOPE let's try again. Okay, even if that was the case, and they were intending noose-like accessories, could they not have picked any other kind of knot?
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Post by julie5 on Feb 20, 2019 18:06:12 GMT
I like how the model is slamming them and saying how ashamed she is for being a part of this. ...but she put it on and walked in it. I mean did she not see the clothing as it was put on her body? Outrage after the fact seems hollow. I'm not sure that's very fair. Models don't get to choose what they wear and may not know what they're wearing until right before they walk. And this model doesn't appear to be high profile or highly experienced and she is probably pretty young - she's not some supermodel who has a lot of influence who might feel confident speaking up in the moment against the item. She would probably be scared about losing her job and tanking her career - fashion is a pretty small world. I give her a lot of credit for being brave enough to speak up at all, even after the fact.Ā True they donāt get to choose the clothes they wear. But they do get to choose who they work for. I was hoping the metoo movement helped women feel they could speak out against hostile working situations. I guess I feel at some point the person zipping their lips should speak up. See something inappropriate? Say something!
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