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Post by mom on Mar 12, 2019 17:23:43 GMT
From what I am reading, they didn't even have to upload a pic. They had some guy sit in a hotel room and take the test for the kid. Send handwriting examples, etc. ahead of time. I'm not buying the fact that the students didn't know what was going on. Im not either. BUT lets just say they didn't....can you imagine the humiliation of knowing your parents had to pay a school to fake your scores because they didn't think you were smart or talented enough? I would be devastated if it came out my parents rigged the system and got caught.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Mar 12, 2019 17:24:28 GMT
The UT scam makes me so sad. In Texas, very few actually can get into there (I think you have to be a Top 7 or something?). DS2 didn't apply to UT (thank goodness) but some of his friends did. One of them that got in is questionable on how that happened. Her dad is a Judge here so now I wonder....maybe she is totally legit but I KNOW she isn't in the Top 7 of the Class, because she is ranked behind DS2. I agree. It was top 10% when DD was in high school, but I know they have tightened that. It was not uncommon for people to pull their kids out of a Houston high school and enroll them in one in a tiny, rural school. Better chance of getting in that top percentage if you are competing against very few students vs the hundreds (even 1,000+ at some schools) in a class here in town. It's not just UT-Austin that is tough like this. I sure hope the other schools don't show up on these lists.
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Post by mom on Mar 12, 2019 17:25:09 GMT
I wonder how this plays into the paid for PSAT and SAT given to all high schoolers? PSAT for 9th, 10th, 11th and SAT for 12th. Covered by the district. Administered by the teacher.
I could easily see how one could be paid off Shit, I had teachers in high school who passed top athletes so they could play and we could win CIF, etc. I hated that. I hated those athletes. Heck my hubby was asked to pass a kid by the A.D. He said No! They haven't taken that route with SAT at DS2 school yet but I can see it happening in the future. They do require everyone to take the PSAT at school though, college bound or not.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 17:27:14 GMT
I also wonder if these kids parents paid for them to pass the CASEE. The previous California high school exit exam...you dont pass, you dont graduate and get your diploma
I say that as many are from Ca...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 17:28:10 GMT
I wonder how this plays into the paid for PSAT and SAT given to all high schoolers? PSAT for 9th, 10th, 11th and SAT for 12th. Covered by the district. Administered by the teacher.
I could easily see how one could be paid off Shit, I had teachers in high school who passed top athletes so they could play and we could win CIF, etc. I hated that. I hated those athletes. Heck my hubby was asked to pass a kid by the A.D. He said No! They haven't taken that route with SAT at DS2 school yet but I can see it happening in the future. They do require everyone to take the PSAT at school though, college bound or not. Yea dd (10th) took it but wont the next 2 years as she will go to a JC first. So glad because it is WAY less stressfull lol
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Mar 12, 2019 17:28:24 GMT
I honestly cannot imagine why anyone would be surprised. Time honored practice of donation = admission. Honestly, that's what I always believed as well. And think of all the honest applicants with honest families who were not able to get in because of the criminal families who bought their way in.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 12, 2019 17:28:43 GMT
A direct donation to a school is ok and often charitable. Give half million to school, kid gets in.... pretty upfront... I think if your child doesn't meet the minimum academic requirements (GPA, test scores, etc.) for that college, then it crosses over from being a donation and turns into a bribe and should be treated as such. Of course, but at least it is out in the open for all to see if they are interested. It happens all the time..... you can walk into many buildings all over, big sign, donated by... Room donated by, or in memory of.... schools, hospitals buildings etc......... And don't forget about 'legacy' entrances, where dad, mom or grandpa went..........Might involve some donations too! All the way to the SCOTUS.
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Post by Merge on Mar 12, 2019 17:31:39 GMT
My oldest is a dual credit ap honor student with a 3.8 gpa 10th grader. Her choice school is UT Austin and Texas A&M (we are a divided family.) She texted me when TMZ broke the news and then came to my room almost in tears cause she's more or less knocking UT off her list. She just realized, I think, that we are not rich and can't grease the wheels. I told her it was something we'd have to wait out and see. (UT is my school.) Jennifer Well, TAMU is a great school...LOL DS2 is going there in the Fall for Engineering. I do wonder how this will effect future applicants? Will UT be easier to get into with this cloud over it? Im guessing probably not. Getting into UT is often simply a matter of being a bright kid at an average high school. The top 7% of every Texas high school class are auto-admitted to UT. But the score/grade profile of the top 7% at your average high school is much lower than the top 7% at a highly competitive high school like the top magnet schools in our district. (FWIW 3.8 unweighted wouldn't break top 15% at my kids' school.) Kids below the top 7% who are exceptional in other ways do get admitted in small numbers (often it seems to be dumb luck). Or there's the CAP program.
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Post by janeliz on Mar 12, 2019 17:34:20 GMT
Holy shit. I just saw this online and I’m blown away.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 12, 2019 17:56:59 GMT
The students absolutely DO have to upload a picture of themselves: straight on, no smiling etc. My daughter just had to do it when she registered to take her SATs later this year. I'm betting they had the 'stand in' take the picture etc. and possibly provided false id to present at the exam. This stinks all the way around. It's been a few years and now I do remember this. So if they have a stand in take the photo, how does the school ID match up in person on the day of testing? That would mean the stand in has a false school ID too? My brain just cannot think figure out how they could get away with this part since there would be so many layers of people involved. The donation part isn't a big deal to me, because we all know that happens all the time. But the SAT/ACT testing not being secure is huge! Hasn't there been times the test questions were revealed online and they made all the kids retake the test? So what the heck is going to happen now??? Here it’s HARD to have a fake person take the psat because it’s guven during school withbteachers who know the kids. Molly can’t just show up and say she is Sally no matter how many fake ID’s they have. The SAT however is given in other schools and on Saturday and the proctors atent necesarilt ones thecstudent knows. Yes, they were required to have a photo ID so yeah the fake applicant would also need a fake ID if some kind OR the proctor is paid to not look at it. It would be semi hard to even pin point which oricrotr you’d get here as the school uses a ‘rolling’ entrance to the SAT where they are out in rooms with a proctor in the order they show up ie the first 20 go to room A and the next 30 go to room B and so on so that scam would be difficult work here. I’m guessing they used a special SAT location to get a specific proctor. I know there was one point out Temple had SAT in Sunday for Jewish kids and that only had one room of proctors, so you’d have to do something like that to get a specific proctor Weird what length people go thru. I’m shocked that $100,000 donation to the school wouldn’t get your kid admission. Who knew you also had to fake you test scores or fake being an athlete.
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Post by peano on Mar 12, 2019 18:34:11 GMT
Does this really surprise anyone? I know the CA schools have a pretty low acceptance rate, so it sure doesn’t surprise me that those with money found a way. I’m not shocked in the least that parents did this. I’m surprised the FBI got involved-I’m curious about how that went down.
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Post by ~summer~ on Mar 12, 2019 18:40:13 GMT
The USC water polo coach was just arrested at a tournament in Hawaii. You know these coaches are screwing over the whole team too, because they only have a set number of slots for recruited athletes...and a then they give it to a fake kid and the team ends up with no one. Plus a kid who actually *should* have earned a spot on the team doesn't get it.
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 12, 2019 18:42:03 GMT
My Twitter feed is currently *full* of Aunt Becky memes.
They’re ironically amusing, but it does make you think of (and really feel for) the kids that genuinely deserved and miss out on places at these colleges due to shenanigans like this. It’s been going on for years.
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Post by busy on Mar 12, 2019 18:47:30 GMT
The USC water polo coach was just arrested at a tournament in Hawaii. You know these coaches are screwing over the whole team too, because they only have a set number of slots for recruited athletes...and a then they give it to a fake kid and the team ends up with no one. Plus a kid who actually *should* have earned a spot on the team doesn't get it. And it seems likely that NCAA sanctions will be imposed on those programs, so that could REALLY screw kids who are already in the teams.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 18:55:47 GMT
Well, if Frank Gallagher had access to bribe money I could see him doing something like this.
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Post by flanz on Mar 12, 2019 18:56:35 GMT
I'm disgusted but not surprised that this happens, and I'll bet it happens a lot more than we know. I am disappointed and surprised that Felicity Huffman is involved.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 12, 2019 18:57:24 GMT
And it seems likely that NCAA sanctions will be imposed on those programs, so that could REALLY screw kids who are already in the teams. They do have a mess on their hands..... Will affect the schools for years.. BTW: Authorities are not finished, there may be more involved...... They are not releasing more names for now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 18:59:55 GMT
Does this really surprise anyone? I know the CA schools have a pretty low acceptance rate, so it sure doesn’t surprise me that those with money found a way. I’m not shocked in the least that parents did this. I’m surprised the FBI got involved-I’m curious about how that went down. One of the reports I read said it was uncovered by FBI agents working on an unrelated case involving Boston College, Boston University and Northeastern University. These three colleges are not implicated in this prosecution though. One never knows when someone is investigating a totally different case what else comes to light during the original investigation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 19:04:42 GMT
They’re ironically amusing, but it does make you think of (and really feel for) the kids that genuinely deserved and miss out on places at these colleges due to shenanigans like this. It’s been going on for years. That is what makes this really sad.It's the innocent victims that pay the ultimate cost. Some of these kids that have worked their buts off for years have been deprived of their rightful place to further their careers and their future.
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Post by leftturnonly on Mar 12, 2019 19:06:59 GMT
Since Trump’s father gave the university of Pennsylvania and boatload of money so trump could graduate , there is no reason why other rich people wouldn’t do the same thing. You hate Trump. I get it. And seeing how Felicity Huffman is such a HUGE Trump supporter, it's no wonder she paid someone to fake her kid's scores. In fact, I bet when all of the names of the 30+ people are disclose, every single one of them will turn out to be HUGE Trump supporters, as are the majority of Hollywood celebritydom. Certainly, the guilt of those charged with cheating the rest of the children of the country out of a fair shot for those college admissions need to be mitigated with a "but Trump" statement. Where's the legal charge against Trump's father for having Trump's scores manipulated so he could graduate without merit? You don't think that other rich men & women have paid hefty sums to institutions of higher learning when their children were attendants? I bet the names on that list would be as equally damning. Should we talk about the Kennedys now? No, I didn't think so.
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Post by Merge on Mar 12, 2019 19:07:45 GMT
This kind of stuff has been going on for years. Rich and connected parents have always been able to pay for or otherwise arrange spots for their kids at selective universities. Universities are required to be more transparent in their admission decisions these days, though, so now the wealthy and well connected have to find less obvious ways to rig the system. Sounds like one of those ways has just been shut down.
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Post by leftturnonly on Mar 12, 2019 19:09:23 GMT
I'm not buying the fact that the students didn't know what was going on. Im not either. BUT lets just say they didn't....can you imagine the humiliation of knowing your parents had to pay a school to fake your scores because they didn't think you were smart or talented enough? I would be devastated if it came out my parents rigged the system and got caught. I'd have absolute proof that aliens really had invaded and either taken over people's bodies or were able to utterly replicate them, because that NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED with my parents.
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Post by Merge on Mar 12, 2019 19:10:50 GMT
Since Trump’s father gave the university of Pennsylvania and boatload of money so trump could graduate , there is no reason why other rich people wouldn’t do the same thing. You hate Trump. I get it. And seeing how Felicity Huffman is such a HUGE Trump supporter, it's no wonder she paid someone to fake her kid's scores. In fact, I bet when all of the names of the 30+ people are disclose, every single one of them will turn out to be HUGE Trump supporters, as are the majority of Hollywood celebritydom. Certainly, the guilt of those charged with cheating the rest of the children of the country out of a fair shot for those college admissions need to be mitigated with a "but Trump" statement. Where's the legal charge against Trump's father for having Trump's scores manipulated so he could graduate without merit? You don't think that other rich men & women have paid hefty sums to institutions of higher learning when their children were attendants? I bet the names on that list would be as equally damning. Should we talk about the Kennedys now? No, I didn't think so. I don't think anyone here is claiming that this kind of thing has only gone on with conservative families. Trump did it, Kennedy did it, Bush did it... and certainly the wealthy and well connected from Hollywood, the oil industry, tech and various other places have done it as well. Politics aren't the issue here at all.
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Post by leftturnonly on Mar 12, 2019 19:12:12 GMT
Politics aren't the issue here at all.
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Post by Merge on Mar 12, 2019 19:13:22 GMT
Politics aren't the issue here at all. OK, then. How are politics the issue?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 19:14:33 GMT
www.usatoday.com/story/life/2019/03/12/felicity-huffman-lori-loughlin-why-they-under-arrest/3140329002/Huffman and her "spouse" made a "purported" charitable donation of $15,000 to Key Worldwide Foundation, a Newport Beach, Calif.,-based charitable organization, in February 2018, according to the affidavit. "The way the scheme worked, according to the affidavit, an individual identified as CW-1 (cooperating witness) told Huffman and her spouse that he "controlled" a college testing center where her daughter could take the college SAT and a "third party" would purport to proctor (or monitor during the exam) the daughter and "secretly correct her answers afterwards. "CW-1 has advised investigators that Huffman and her spouse agreed to the plan," the affidavit says. The daughter took the test at the West Hollywood Test Center instead of at her own high school. According to the affidavit, another individual, identified as CW-2, flew from Tampa to Los Angeles in December to proctor the SAT test." CW-2 told investigators that each time he was in LA to proctor an exam, he "facilitated cheating, either by correcting the student's answers after the test or by actively assisting the student during the exam." "Ultimately, Huffman's daughter scored 1420 on the SAT, an improvement of approximately 400 points over her PSAT (the preliminary test to the SAT), taken without CW-2 a year earlier," the affidavit adds.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Mar 12, 2019 19:16:45 GMT
I'm disgusted but not surprised that this happens, and I'll bet it happens a lot more than we know. I am disappointed and surprised that Felicity Huffman is involved. I think this is a good reminder that much of what we see with celebrities and actors is a lot of smoke & mirrors. They all have publicists on staff to keep that public persona going. What we see on the screen and via interviews is not necessarily who they really are. And it seems likely that NCAA sanctions will be imposed on those programs, so that could REALLY screw kids who are already in the teams. I'm not sure how much those NCAA sanctions do - other than harm the students - when you consider there is always a team somewhere with sanctions, yet schools continue to break the rules. Just a few days ago LSU's head basketball coach was suspended while they investigate him for recruiting violations. I am convinced that pretty much every school is breaking rules in some form, it's just a matter of who is caught at any one time. I've joked for years that they all do it in the SEC, they just take turns getting caught and being on probation.
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Post by papersilly on Mar 12, 2019 19:19:51 GMT
The article said someone paid $1.2 million in bribes to get their kid into Yale. Ok. Now that sounds more like it. Lori Laughlin paid $500k to get both her daughter's into USC. When people talk about . bribes to elite schools, those are more the figures I was thinking. Not $15k
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Post by ~summer~ on Mar 12, 2019 19:23:13 GMT
The amounts were definitely not $15k to get in - I think most were around $500k
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Post by carly1030 on Mar 12, 2019 19:25:00 GMT
I'm disgusted but not surprised that this happens, and I'll bet it happens a lot more than we know. I am disappointed and surprised that Felicity Huffman is involved. Now that's funny! Felicity Huffman said, during her anti-Trump campaign: "As artists, women, and most importantly dedicated Americans, it is critical that we stand together in solidarity for the protection, dignity and rights of our communities." Yeah, she's all about dignity.
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