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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 3:40:52 GMT
mainebeacon.com/maine-gop-rep-says-access-to-menstrual-products-would-make-jails-like-country-clubs/"During a hearing last week over whether incarcerated Mainers should be guaranteed access to basic menstrual hygiene products, Republican state Rep. Richard Pickett of Dixfield cautioned that such a rule might make the prison system seem too much like a “country club.”... During debate, Pickett, who currently serves as Dixfield Police Chief and who voted against the bill, argued that detainees already had access to menstrual products such as pads and tampons. “Quite frankly, and I don’t mean this in any disrespect, the jail system and the correctional system was never meant to be a country club,” he said, according to Bangor Daily News reporter Alex Acquisto. “They have a right to have these and they have them. If that wasn’t the case, then I would be supporting the motion, but they do.”" Could we please stop voting for clueless dodderers anytime soon?
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 19, 2019 4:11:41 GMT
Say what? The only thing that separates prison life from country club life is the amount of menstrual hygiene products available? Who knew?
Did site his source of information as the dude who mathematically calculated we need 7 tampons per cycle with 9 cycles per year?
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Mar 19, 2019 4:55:24 GMT
That’s insane. They are only allotted a certain amount and if they run out they have to buy their own or go without. I understand not wanting to be wasteful but if they need a tampon give it to them! Jeez.
Now, I am not one of those who believe your workplace should provide feminine hygiene products, nor do I generally side with prisoners, but this is a pretty basic requirement, on par with toilet paper.
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Post by Heathen on Mar 19, 2019 5:06:52 GMT
You know who else denies inmates access to menstrual products? North Korea. This twat probably whined every time his wife or daughter spent $5 on necessities.
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Post by lucyg on Mar 19, 2019 5:09:15 GMT
OMG. Why is this even an issue?
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Post by Heathen on Mar 19, 2019 5:12:18 GMT
OMG. Why is this even an issue? Rhetorical question, I know -- the answer is because men don't have periods. If they did, inmates would have access to any and all products they wanted, no matter how much it cost. No generic tampons or pads for men!
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Mar 19, 2019 10:11:47 GMT
Let's just set aside the fact that prisoners or not, these are still human beings and should be treated as such.
Having sufficient menstrual supplies is a matter of hygiene and public safety. Are they thinking that the women should just free bleed? Would guards want to come into contact with their blood?
And have the prisons decided that male prisoners who sustain injuries will only be allowed a certain amount of bandages before having to buy their own? You know, bandages that absorb blood.
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Post by threegirls on Mar 19, 2019 13:04:07 GMT
My husband would probably describe me as a tightwad. We wouldn't have any fun if it weren't for him!
When it comes to menstrual products I don't skimp. I have three girls so I spend $$$ on these items. It's one of the few things that I will only buy name brand even if they are not on sale.
I'm as fiscally conservative as they come but even I think they should be given access to as many menstrual products as they need!
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Post by librarylady on Mar 19, 2019 13:23:06 GMT
Is this man complaining about toilet paper also?
sheesh........does he even live with a woman?
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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 19, 2019 13:45:23 GMT
I believe that we should provide adequate tampons for the offenders. That said, they also abuse the usage of them, so there needs to be a limit. They love to use pads/tampons for everything. Everything from makeup to crafts. So that said there needs to be a limit and if they want more they can buy them.
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Post by milocat on Mar 19, 2019 13:57:22 GMT
Is this man complaining about toilet paper also? sheesh........does he even live with a woman? that's what I was thinking, why do they need toilet paper then! Or clothes or beds or blankets. I agree that life shouldn't be cushy in prison but never thought of limiting anything like I just mentioned.
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Post by chendra on Mar 19, 2019 14:04:10 GMT
I now have a new euphemism--"going to the country club".
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Post by pierkiss on Mar 19, 2019 14:15:02 GMT
OMG. Why is this even an issue? Rhetorical question, I know -- the answer is because men don't have periods. If they did, inmates would have access to any and all products they wanted, no matter how much it cost. No generic tampons or pads for men! Don’t forget access to pain relievers! Wouldn’t want a man to have to deal with those pesky cramps!
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Post by pierkiss on Mar 19, 2019 14:18:17 GMT
I believe that we should provide adequate tampons for the offenders. That said, they also abuse the usage of them, so there needs to be a limit. They love to use pads/tampons for everything. Everything from makeup to crafts. So that said there needs to be a limit and if they want more they can buy them. Where are you getting this information from?
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Post by mygigiscraps on Mar 19, 2019 14:22:07 GMT
Just Wow. I hope they all round up their bloody underwear and mail them to Richard "Dick" Pickett. What a jackass.
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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 19, 2019 14:27:37 GMT
I believe that we should provide adequate tampons for the offenders. That said, they also abuse the usage of them, so there needs to be a limit. They love to use pads/tampons for everything. Everything from makeup to crafts. So that said there needs to be a limit and if they want more they can buy them. Where are you getting this information from? First hand.
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Post by pierkiss on Mar 19, 2019 14:32:24 GMT
Where are you getting this information from? First hand. Is this an issue of wastefulness that is occurring throughout the country at all prisons or is this only happening within the prison you are seeing first hand?
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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 19, 2019 14:39:22 GMT
Is this an issue of wastefulness that is occurring throughout the country at all prisons or is this only happening within the prison you are seeing first hand? I can only speak for what I have 'seen'. I don't have access to every prison out there. Usually when there is an issue (not saying tampons, but in general), there is always talk that it is an issue at other places. For example, if a prison out east is having problems with offenders staging a hunger strike or whatever the problem is, then the word would be put out to watch for that activity. It can be anything. Now there is talk all over the place about tampons. So there will be meetings, etc on that issue.
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Post by pierkiss on Mar 19, 2019 14:43:08 GMT
Is this an issue of wastefulness that is occurring throughout the country at all prisons or is this only happening within the prison you are seeing first hand? I can only speak for what I have 'seen'. I don't have access to every prison out there. Usually when there is an issue (not saying tampons, but in general), there is always talk that it is an issue at other places. For example, if a prison out east is having problems with offenders staging a hunger strike or whatever the problem is, then the word would be put out to watch for that activity. It can be anything. Now there is talk all over the place about tampons. So there will be meetings, etc on that issue. Fascinating! I didn’t know Feminine hygiene products wastefulness concern in the prison settings. You only ever hear of shortages and not enough access in the news.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 15:18:14 GMT
Is this an issue of wastefulness that is occurring throughout the country at all prisons or is this only happening within the prison you are seeing first hand? I can only speak for what I have 'seen'. I don't have access to every prison out there. Usually when there is an issue (not saying tampons, but in general), there is always talk that it is an issue at other places. For example, if a prison out east is having problems with offenders staging a hunger strike or whatever the problem is, then the word would be put out to watch for that activity. It can be anything. Now there is talk all over the place about tampons. So there will be meetings, etc on that issue. OFFS. I call bullshit until i see some hard numbers on how much supply women are given and how much that costs and the costs it would take to increase supplies for those who have heavier flows. JFC.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 19, 2019 15:24:25 GMT
Now there is talk all over the place about tampons. So there will be meetings, etc on that issue. could the talking about it be due to the fact that this legislation was proposed? the debate over the legislation is what caused all the discussion? Not the fact that inmates may or may not be over-using / abusing them? I gotta think the pads and tampons they're buying for prisons aren't the most expensive ones out there, so if someone wants to use some of them for makeup or craft projects, I say have at it. But then again, I didn't agree with things like Sheriff Joe's pink underwear, prison stripes, chain gangs, or green bologna, either, so I guess that makes me someone who wants to make it a 'country club' atmosphere.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 19, 2019 15:33:57 GMT
Did site his source of information as the dude who mathematically calculated we need 7 tampons per cycle with 9 cycles per year? If I were serving time I would like to use his yearly calendar of 9 months = a year!! 7 tampons per cycle? Going to the infirmary for TSS!! Or death!
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Post by busy on Mar 19, 2019 15:48:24 GMT
I can only speak for what I have 'seen'. I don't have access to every prison out there. Usually when there is an issue (not saying tampons, but in general), there is always talk that it is an issue at other places. For example, if a prison out east is having problems with offenders staging a hunger strike or whatever the problem is, then the word would be put out to watch for that activity. It can be anything. Now there is talk all over the place about tampons. So there will be meetings, etc on that issue. OFFS. I call bullshit until i see some hard numbers on how much supply women are given and how much that costs and the costs it would take to increase supplies for those who have heavier flows. JFC. Also, prison is not supposed to *only* be about punishment. It's supposed to be about rehabilitation too (I know, I know, it's such an idealistic view and nowhere close to reality right now). The personal hygiene issues aside, if our prisons are currently so far from "country club living" that inmates are using tampons for crafts because there's nothing better to do... we are clearly failing at having any chance of rehab. Look at recidivism stats in countries that actually do rehab in prison and treat inmates with humanity, vs recidivism stats in the US. The mass incarceration in our country is a crisis and the whole paradigm needs to change. This is an opinion piece, but worth reading IMO. I think the way we approach criminal justice in this country is, well, criminal. www.nytimes.com/2015/08/07/opinion/what-we-learned-from-german-prisons.html
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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 19, 2019 15:52:47 GMT
Like I said, yes lets give them what they need, give them more than they need.. there is no problem with that.. but at some point there has to be a limit (as with anything else).
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Post by busy on Mar 19, 2019 16:01:03 GMT
Like I said, yes lets give them what they need, give them more than they need.. there is no problem with that.. but at some point there has to be a limit (as with anything else). I disagree. What are you going to do - require a woman to prove that they're actively bleeding to get a tampon? Some women have very heavy, very long periods and may need "too many" tampons over the course of their period. I have a very light 3 day period and don't need many at all. If there's a limit, and the woman with the heavy period can't get enough tampons, I'm going to give her some of my allotment that I don't need because I have empathy. And that's probably going to get us both in trouble if we get caught. And that's absurd. I have this crazy idea that if we treat prisoners like humans first and foremost (and stopped massively overcrowding our prisons with minor crimes) a lot of the problems in our prisons would be resolved. Reimagining Prison Report by Vera Institute of Justice. Prison as we have it today makes crime worse, not better. We need criminal justice reform.
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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 19, 2019 16:21:50 GMT
Like I said, yes lets give them what they need, give them more than they need.. there is no problem with that.. but at some point there has to be a limit (as with anything else). I disagree. What are you going to do - require a woman to prove that they're actively bleeding to get a tampon? Some women have very heavy, very long periods and may need "too many" tampons over the course of their period. I have a very light 3 day period and don't need many at all. If there's a limit, and the woman with the heavy period can't get enough tampons, I'm going to give her some of my allotment that I don't need because I have empathy. And that's probably going to get us both in trouble if we get caught. And that's absurd. I have this crazy idea that if we treat prisoners like humans first and foremost (and stopped massively overcrowding our prisons with minor crimes) a lot of the problems in our prisons would be resolved. Reimagining Prison Report by Vera Institute of Justice. Prison as we have it today makes crime worse, not better. We need criminal justice reform. We can agree to disagree.. I can't get more into it. I will only say when I say "limit" I am not talking about 4 a day or whatever.. but if someone has bleeding that bad, their doctor should know and they can get permission to have more.
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Post by carly1030 on Mar 19, 2019 16:25:58 GMT
They are in fucking prison. Don't break the law. All the people feeling sorry for them go buy some tampons with YOUR money and take them to the prisons. They are in PRISON, here is an idea maybe they should learn to make do and don't break the law. Don't murder, steal, rob, abuse etc.
I have noticed the OP of this thread only talks about how rich people owe their money to other people. It doesnt matter to her if you break the law, lazy or whatever. She wants the free shit.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 19, 2019 16:37:23 GMT
Like I said, yes lets give them what they need, give them more than they need.. there is no problem with that.. but at some point there has to be a limit (as with anything else). I disagree. What are you going to do - require a woman to prove that they're actively bleeding to get a tampon? Some women have very heavy, very long periods and may need "too many" tampons over the course of their period. I have a very light 3 day period and don't need many at all. If there's a limit, and the woman with the heavy period can't get enough tampons, I'm going to give her some of my allotment that I don't need because I have empathy. And that's probably going to get us both in trouble if we get caught. And that's absurd. I have this crazy idea that if we treat prisoners like humans first and foremost (and stopped massively overcrowding our prisons with minor crimes) a lot of the problems in our prisons would be resolved. Reimagining Prison Report by Vera Institute of Justice. Prison as we have it today makes crime worse, not better. We need criminal justice reform. give women bleeding feminine hygiene products. Period. ( pun intended ) If you dole out X tampons to everyone then the people with ‘light’ periods can sell/barter their surplus? & you create an in prison black market which can’t be good
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 16:50:07 GMT
I disagree. What are you going to do - require a woman to prove that they're actively bleeding to get a tampon? Some women have very heavy, very long periods and may need "too many" tampons over the course of their period. I have a very light 3 day period and don't need many at all. If there's a limit, and the woman with the heavy period can't get enough tampons, I'm going to give her some of my allotment that I don't need because I have empathy. And that's probably going to get us both in trouble if we get caught. And that's absurd. I have this crazy idea that if we treat prisoners like humans first and foremost (and stopped massively overcrowding our prisons with minor crimes) a lot of the problems in our prisons would be resolved. Reimagining Prison Report by Vera Institute of Justice. Prison as we have it today makes crime worse, not better. We need criminal justice reform. We can agree to disagree.. I can't get more into it. I will only say when I say "limit" I am not talking about 4 a day or whatever.. but if someone has bleeding that bad, their doctor should know and they can get permission to have more. As I said, I call bullshit until someone produces numbers of how many per day or per period or per ml of blood or whatever f'ing metric they're using to determine what "enough" is - and how much it would cost to supply what the inmates need who ask for more.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 19, 2019 16:53:51 GMT
We can agree to disagree.. I can't get more into it. I will only say when I say "limit" I am not talking about 4 a day or whatever.. but if someone has bleeding that bad, their doctor should know and they can get permission to have more. As I said, I call bullshit until someone produces numbers of how many per day or per period or per ml of blood or whatever f'ing metric they're using to determine what "enough" is - and how much it would cost to supply what the inmates need who ask for more. Not to mention you need to change them when you pee & the urine wicks up the string. It can’t be healthy to keep that in that way.
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