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Post by mustlovecats on Mar 19, 2019 16:55:47 GMT
They are in fucking prison. Don't break the law. All the people feeling sorry for them go buy some tampons with YOUR money and take them to the prisons. They are in PRISON, here is an idea maybe they should learn to make do and don't break the law. Don't murder, steal, rob, abuse etc. I have noticed the OP of this thread only talks about how rich people owe their money to other people. It doesnt matter to her if you break the law, lazy or whatever. She wants the free shit. My goodness I miss the days of the compassionate conservative.
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Post by busy on Mar 19, 2019 16:56:12 GMT
We can agree to disagree.. I can't get more into it. I will only say when I say "limit" I am not talking about 4 a day or whatever.. but if someone has bleeding that bad, their doctor should know and they can get permission to have more. As I said, I call bullshit until someone produces numbers of how many per day or per period or per ml of blood or whatever f'ing metric they're using to determine what "enough" is - and how much it would cost to supply what the inmates need who ask for more. "Enough" is whatever the women ask for. Inmates are still humans and deserve to be treated with fundamental respect. Can you imagine how dehumanizing and humiliating it would be to have to justify your need for tampons to someone who then decides whether or not you actually need them? Treating prisoners like that does not help anything and the mindset that they deserve to be treated that way is part of why our prison system is such a shitshow.
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Post by Just T on Mar 19, 2019 16:58:37 GMT
They are in fucking prison. Don't break the law. All the people feeling sorry for them go buy some tampons with YOUR money and take them to the prisons. They are in PRISON, here is an idea maybe they should learn to make do and don't break the law. Don't murder, steal, rob, abuse etc. I have noticed the OP of this thread only talks about how rich people owe their money to other people. It doesnt matter to her if you break the law, lazy or whatever. She wants the free shit. Oh, FFS. So you think that just because women are in prison they should walk around leaving blood all over the place? In the long run, prisons will probably spend more money on janitorial supplies and cleaning services to keep up with all the blood all over the place than they would spend on tampons and pads.
I don't feel sorry for people who break the law and go to prison, but good grief.
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Post by carly1030 on Mar 19, 2019 17:03:13 GMT
They are in fucking prison. Don't break the law. All the people feeling sorry for them go buy some tampons with YOUR money and take them to the prisons. They are in PRISON, here is an idea maybe they should learn to make do and don't break the law. Don't murder, steal, rob, abuse etc. I have noticed the OP of this thread only talks about how rich people owe their money to other people. It doesnt matter to her if you break the law, lazy or whatever. She wants the free shit. My goodness I miss the days of the compassionate conservative. My goodness I miss the days of self responsibility . See how that works.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 17:12:19 GMT
They are in fucking prison. Don't break the law. All the people feeling sorry for them go buy some tampons with YOUR money and take them to the prisons. They are in PRISON, here is an idea maybe they should learn to make do and don't break the law. Don't murder, steal, rob, abuse etc. I have noticed the OP of this thread only talks about how rich people owe their money to other people. It doesnt matter to her if you break the law, lazy or whatever. She wants the free shit. My goodness I miss the days of the compassionate conservative. That was and is a tag line. A branding trick of Madison avenue.
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Post by mustlovecats on Mar 19, 2019 17:14:13 GMT
My goodness I miss the days of the compassionate conservative. That was and is a tag line. A branding trick of Madison avenue. It was better than whatever garbage Carly here was spouting. That movement at least managed to talk about humans like humans sometimes.
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Post by freebird on Mar 19, 2019 17:15:11 GMT
Like I said, yes lets give them what they need, give them more than they need.. there is no problem with that.. but at some point there has to be a limit (as with anything else). I disagree. What are you going to do - require a woman to prove that they're actively bleeding to get a tampon? Some women have very heavy, very long periods and may need "too many" tampons over the course of their period. I have a very light 3 day period and don't need many at all. If there's a limit, and the woman with the heavy period can't get enough tampons, I'm going to give her some of my allotment that I don't need because I have empathy. And that's probably going to get us both in trouble if we get caught. And that's absurd. I have this crazy idea that if we treat prisoners like humans first and foremost (and stopped massively overcrowding our prisons with minor crimes) a lot of the problems in our prisons would be resolved. Reimagining Prison Report by Vera Institute of Justice. Prison as we have it today makes crime worse, not better. We need criminal justice reform.
But Busy, There's a difference here. You have the ability to be empathtic and kind and giving to someone in need. Someone else might see this as an opportunity to haggle for something in trade. "I have 3 tampons, I want your XXXXXX." Let's face it, there's a lot of people in jail because they don't have the highest moral characters.
(And before you all jump on me, I'm not saying every single person in jail is a horrible human being, or has no moral character. I'm looking at "what are the odds" and "the system" has to look at it that way too.)
I imagine someone out there is looking at a bottom line number, buys the cheapest available and doles out "the average usage". Looking at it any other way will cost more $$. I've seen enough OITNB to know that's probably true.
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Post by carly1030 on Mar 19, 2019 17:15:16 GMT
They are in fucking prison. Don't break the law. All the people feeling sorry for them go buy some tampons with YOUR money and take them to the prisons. They are in PRISON, here is an idea maybe they should learn to make do and don't break the law. Don't murder, steal, rob, abuse etc. I have noticed the OP of this thread only talks about how rich people owe their money to other people. It doesnt matter to her if you break the law, lazy or whatever. She wants the free shit. Oh, FFS. So you think that just because women are in prison they should walk around leaving blood all over the place? In the long run, prisons will probably spend more money on janitorial supplies and cleaning services to keep up with all the blood all over the place than they would spend on tampons and pads.
I don't feel sorry for people who break the law and go to prison, but good grief.
Please give this poor kindergarten teacher a tampon and don't discriminate give her poor boyfriend his hygiene supplies, we don't want his ass shitty. link
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 17:30:06 GMT
That was and is a tag line. A branding trick of Madison avenue. It was better than whatever garbage Carly here was spouting. That movement at least managed to talk about humans like humans sometimes. Fair enough.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 19, 2019 17:43:32 GMT
They are in fucking prison. Don't break the law. All the people feeling sorry for them go buy some tampons with YOUR money and take them to the prisons. They are in PRISON, here is an idea maybe they should learn to make do and don't break the law. Don't murder, steal, rob, abuse etc. I have noticed the OP of this thread only talks about how rich people owe their money to other people. It doesnt matter to her if you break the law, lazy or whatever. She wants the free shit. Someone must have hurt you very badly! I'm sorry for you.
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Post by busy on Mar 19, 2019 17:46:58 GMT
I disagree. What are you going to do - require a woman to prove that they're actively bleeding to get a tampon? Some women have very heavy, very long periods and may need "too many" tampons over the course of their period. I have a very light 3 day period and don't need many at all. If there's a limit, and the woman with the heavy period can't get enough tampons, I'm going to give her some of my allotment that I don't need because I have empathy. And that's probably going to get us both in trouble if we get caught. And that's absurd. I have this crazy idea that if we treat prisoners like humans first and foremost (and stopped massively overcrowding our prisons with minor crimes) a lot of the problems in our prisons would be resolved. Reimagining Prison Report by Vera Institute of Justice. Prison as we have it today makes crime worse, not better. We need criminal justice reform.
But Busy, There's a difference here. You have the ability to be empathtic and kind and giving to someone in need. Someone else might see this as an opportunity to haggle for something in trade. "I have 3 tampons, I want your XXXXXX." Let's face it, there's a lot of people in jail because they don't have the highest moral characters.
(And before you all jump on me, I'm not saying every single person in jail is a horrible human being, or has no moral character. I'm looking at "what are the odds" and "the system" has to look at it that way too.)
I imagine someone out there is looking at a bottom line number, buys the cheapest available and doles out "the average usage". Looking at it any other way will cost more $$. I've seen enough OITNB to know that's probably true.
Which is exactly why you don't limit them. You treat them as humans, let them determine how many they need, and that's that. There's no "secondary market" or scarcity mindset. If you limit them, you create a black market.
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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 19, 2019 17:49:05 GMT
But Busy, There's a difference here. You have the ability to be empathtic and kind and giving to someone in need. Someone else might see this as an opportunity to haggle for something in trade. "I have 3 tampons, I want your XXXXXX." Let's face it, there's a lot of people in jail because they don't have the highest moral characters.
(And before you all jump on me, I'm not saying every single person in jail is a horrible human being, or has no moral character. I'm looking at "what are the odds" and "the system" has to look at it that way too.)
I imagine someone out there is looking at a bottom line number, buys the cheapest available and doles out "the average usage". Looking at it any other way will cost more $$. I've seen enough OITNB to know that's probably true.
Great points.. along the lines of what I was trying to write but couldn't get it out.. lol.. Thanks.
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Post by busy on Mar 19, 2019 17:50:28 GMT
But Busy, There's a difference here. You have the ability to be empathtic and kind and giving to someone in need. Someone else might see this as an opportunity to haggle for something in trade. "I have 3 tampons, I want your XXXXXX." Let's face it, there's a lot of people in jail because they don't have the highest moral characters.
(And before you all jump on me, I'm not saying every single person in jail is a horrible human being, or has no moral character. I'm looking at "what are the odds" and "the system" has to look at it that way too.)
I imagine someone out there is looking at a bottom line number, buys the cheapest available and doles out "the average usage". Looking at it any other way will cost more $$. I've seen enough OITNB to know that's probably true.
Great points.. along the lines of what I was trying to write but couldn't get it out.. lol.. Thanks. They would be worthless as a "currency" if everyone had access to them. They only have value if they're limited. Basic economics.
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Post by craftymom101 on Mar 19, 2019 18:01:20 GMT
I admit my knowledge of prisons is limited, but I have to think that one of the major causes of this issue is our for-profit prison system. Tampons/pads cost money and limiting the number given to inmates saves money. For the owners making a profit off the prisons (and inmates), they couldn't care less if women need more personal hygiene products or not. Unless the government steps up and creates tighter controls over the prison system, inmates will continue to be treated inhumanely and prison owners will continue to profit.
I have read several articles on prisons recently, including one about prisons in the south with no air conditioning, and another about the significantly higher rates of foodborn illnesses in prisons. Until changes are made, recidivism rates will continue to be higher in this country than most other first-world countries.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 19, 2019 18:10:51 GMT
I admit my knowledge of prisons is limited, but I have to think that one of the major causes of this issue is our for-profit prison system.THIS!!! (along with the "you're shit; why should we "give" you anything" attitude Carly is unfortunately not alone in sharing.)
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Post by Just T on Mar 19, 2019 18:17:22 GMT
Oh, FFS. So you think that just because women are in prison they should walk around leaving blood all over the place? In the long run, prisons will probably spend more money on janitorial supplies and cleaning services to keep up with all the blood all over the place than they would spend on tampons and pads.
I don't feel sorry for people who break the law and go to prison, but good grief.
Please give this poor kindergarten teacher a tampon and don't discriminate give her poor boyfriend his hygiene supplies, we don't want his ass shitty. linkSorry, but no way am I clicking on your link. Even if you don't give a rat's ass if a woman bleeds all over herself every month, can you not see how unsanitary the conditions would quickly become if every woman who isn't menopausal bleeds all over the place? Even if you don't care about the unsanitary conditions the prisoners will live in, what about those who work at the prison? Should they have to work in an environment with blood everywhere?
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Post by shevy on Mar 19, 2019 18:42:07 GMT
I admit my knowledge of prisons is limited, but I have to think that one of the major causes of this issue is our for-profit prison system. Tampons/pads cost money and limiting the number given to inmates saves money. For the owners making a profit off the prisons (and inmates), they couldn't care less if women need more personal hygiene products or not. Unless the government steps up and creates tighter controls over the prison system, inmates will continue to be treated inhumanely and prison owners will continue to profit. I have read several articles on prisons recently, including one about prisons in the south with no air conditioning, and another about the significantly higher rates of foodborn illnesses in prisons. Until changes are made, recidivism rates will continue to be higher in this country than most other first-world countries. Most prisons are not for profit. Meaning they're not meant to make a profit and likely never will. There are a few for profit state prisons in some states, but most are not, by law. Most of the programs where inmates make things are items for the state. The ones that do make other items use the money back into the system for programs.
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Post by busy on Mar 19, 2019 19:00:19 GMT
I admit my knowledge of prisons is limited, but I have to think that one of the major causes of this issue is our for-profit prison system. Tampons/pads cost money and limiting the number given to inmates saves money. For the owners making a profit off the prisons (and inmates), they couldn't care less if women need more personal hygiene products or not. Unless the government steps up and creates tighter controls over the prison system, inmates will continue to be treated inhumanely and prison owners will continue to profit. I have read several articles on prisons recently, including one about prisons in the south with no air conditioning, and another about the significantly higher rates of foodborn illnesses in prisons. Until changes are made, recidivism rates will continue to be higher in this country than most other first-world countries. Most prisons are not for profit. Meaning they're not meant to make a profit and likely never will. There are a few for profit state prisons in some states, but most are not, by law. Most of the programs where inmates make things are items for the state. The ones that do make other items use the money back into the system for programs. Very true. For-profit prisons are just one of the many things that are wrong with our criminal justice system.
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Post by carly1030 on Mar 19, 2019 19:09:26 GMT
Please give this poor kindergarten teacher a tampon and don't discriminate give her poor boyfriend his hygiene supplies, we don't want his ass shitty. linkSorry, but no way am I clicking on your link. Even if you don't give a rat's ass if a woman bleeds all over herself every month, can you not see how unsanitary the conditions would quickly become if every woman who isn't menopausal bleeds all over the place? Even if you don't care about the unsanitary conditions the prisoners will live in, what about those who work at the prison? Should they have to work in an environment with blood everywhere? Give them some old rags like women use to. You have to do a lot of sorry shit to land in prison.
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Post by busy on Mar 19, 2019 19:16:41 GMT
Sorry, but no way am I clicking on your link. Even if you don't give a rat's ass if a woman bleeds all over herself every month, can you not see how unsanitary the conditions would quickly become if every woman who isn't menopausal bleeds all over the place? Even if you don't care about the unsanitary conditions the prisoners will live in, what about those who work at the prison? Should they have to work in an environment with blood everywhere? Give them some old rags like women use to. You have to do a lot of sorry shit to land in prison. Not really. Life Without Parole for Nonviolent Offenses
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 19, 2019 19:21:50 GMT
Carly: "You have to do a lot of sorry shit to land in prison."
I sure hope you don't come up against our unfair justice system any time soon... then again, perhaps if you did, it might give you some insight.
And the concept of 'you did your time and paid your debt to society' is laughable. People (regular people, not rich or celebrities) who have been in prison- and have done their time as proscribed by our justice system- might as well have a scarlet "F for felon" on their forehead for the rest of their lives, because they will NEVER be able to reintegrate go back into normal society without issues.
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Post by casii on Mar 19, 2019 19:22:18 GMT
Also, many are sitting in prison indefinitely because they cannot afford bail. They haven't yet been convicted of anything.
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Post by carly1030 on Mar 19, 2019 19:23:09 GMT
It was not their first offense. All the crimes listed above are illegal, like the saying goes don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 19, 2019 19:27:59 GMT
It was not their first offense. All the crimes listed above are illegal, like the saying goes don't do the crime if you can't do the time. and you REALLY think keeping people incarcerated for life for these types of offenses is worth paying all the thousands upon thousands of money it costs to keep them there?? You MUST live a sad existence. from the article: "Third-time possession of marijuana, even of a single joint, carries up to a 20-year sentence. Growing a single marijuana plant carries a sentence of up to 30 years. Either offense could trigger a sentence of mandatory life without parole. Moreover, a conviction of conspiracy to distribute most drugs (including marijuana), no matter how minor the defendant’s role, will subject a defendant to life without parole if the prosecutor charges him or her as a habitual offender." do you REALLY think this makes sense? spending THOUSANDS of dollars to house an inmate for life for ONE marijuana plant, or ONE joint?
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Post by carly1030 on Mar 19, 2019 20:07:35 GMT
It was not their first offense. All the crimes listed above are illegal, like the saying goes don't do the crime if you can't do the time. and you REALLY think keeping people incarcerated for life for these types of offenses is worth paying all the thousands upon thousands of money it costs to keep them there?? You MUST live a sad existence. from the article: "Third-time possession of marijuana, even of a single joint, carries up to a 20-year sentence. Growing a single marijuana plant carries a sentence of up to 30 years. Either offense could trigger a sentence of mandatory life without parole. Moreover, a conviction of conspiracy to distribute most drugs (including marijuana), no matter how minor the defendant’s role, will subject a defendant to life without parole if the prosecutor charges him or her as a habitual offender." do you REALLY think this makes sense? spending THOUSANDS of dollars to house an inmate for life for ONE marijuana plant, or ONE joint? No I think let them out and YOU be responsible for them. If they break the law YOU pay for it, if they are homeless YOU pay for it, if they have babies they can't take care of YOU pay for it, if they don't want to work and do drugs all day YOU pay for it. I say let them out and YOU pay for their tampons!
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Post by Heathen on Mar 19, 2019 20:12:59 GMT
and you REALLY think keeping people incarcerated for life for these types of offenses is worth paying all the thousands upon thousands of money it costs to keep them there?? You MUST live a sad existence. from the article: "Third-time possession of marijuana, even of a single joint, carries up to a 20-year sentence. Growing a single marijuana plant carries a sentence of up to 30 years. Either offense could trigger a sentence of mandatory life without parole. Moreover, a conviction of conspiracy to distribute most drugs (including marijuana), no matter how minor the defendant’s role, will subject a defendant to life without parole if the prosecutor charges him or her as a habitual offender." do you REALLY think this makes sense? spending THOUSANDS of dollars to house an inmate for life for ONE marijuana plant, or ONE joint? No I think let them out and YOU be responsible for them. If they break the law YOU pay for it, if they are homeless YOU pay for it, if they have babies they can't take care of YOU pay for it, if they don't want to work and do drugs all day YOU pay for it. I say let them out and YOU pay for their tampons! God, are you a bitch. Do you enjoy being so Lauren-like?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 20:41:26 GMT
No I think let them out and YOU be responsible for them. If they break the law YOU pay for it, if they are homeless YOU pay for it, if they have babies they can't take care of YOU pay for it, if they don't want to work and do drugs all day YOU pay for it. I say let them out and YOU pay for their tampons! God, are you a bitch. Do you enjoy being so Lauren-like? That was the vibe I was getting too. Down to the "you care about other people, so you must be poor" undertone.
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Post by busy on Mar 19, 2019 21:08:28 GMT
and you REALLY think keeping people incarcerated for life for these types of offenses is worth paying all the thousands upon thousands of money it costs to keep them there?? You MUST live a sad existence. from the article: "Third-time possession of marijuana, even of a single joint, carries up to a 20-year sentence. Growing a single marijuana plant carries a sentence of up to 30 years. Either offense could trigger a sentence of mandatory life without parole. Moreover, a conviction of conspiracy to distribute most drugs (including marijuana), no matter how minor the defendant’s role, will subject a defendant to life without parole if the prosecutor charges him or her as a habitual offender." do you REALLY think this makes sense? spending THOUSANDS of dollars to house an inmate for life for ONE marijuana plant, or ONE joint? No I think let them out and YOU be responsible for them. If they break the law YOU pay for it, if they are homeless YOU pay for it, if they have babies they can't take care of YOU pay for it, if they don't want to work and do drugs all day YOU pay for it. I say let them out and YOU pay for their tampons! Someday, maybe you’ll realize that life is not nearly as simple as you seem to think it is. That sometimes, even people who have always been incredibly responsible and independent end up in dire straits and need help. I truly hope you learn that lesson and gain some empathy without having to become someone going through the worst time of your life and in desperate need but unable to find the resources you need.
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Post by mustlovecats on Mar 19, 2019 21:10:21 GMT
and you REALLY think keeping people incarcerated for life for these types of offenses is worth paying all the thousands upon thousands of money it costs to keep them there?? You MUST live a sad existence. from the article: "Third-time possession of marijuana, even of a single joint, carries up to a 20-year sentence. Growing a single marijuana plant carries a sentence of up to 30 years. Either offense could trigger a sentence of mandatory life without parole. Moreover, a conviction of conspiracy to distribute most drugs (including marijuana), no matter how minor the defendant’s role, will subject a defendant to life without parole if the prosecutor charges him or her as a habitual offender." do you REALLY think this makes sense? spending THOUSANDS of dollars to house an inmate for life for ONE marijuana plant, or ONE joint? No I think let them out and YOU be responsible for them. If they break the law YOU pay for it, if they are homeless YOU pay for it, if they have babies they can't take care of YOU pay for it, if they don't want to work and do drugs all day YOU pay for it. I say let them out and YOU pay for their tampons! I don’t know, I’d say a neighborhood of peace loving pot-heads who just want to go to work by day and smoke a fat one by night sounds great to me. I’ll be mayor of that town.
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