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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 21, 2019 19:23:52 GMT
I actually think it’s an interesting topic we could discuss about the dynamics of “traditional” roles and different political views and how it plays out in the media - but there’s way too much personal animosity about the players to discuss without bringing in one’s opinion of them in general versus a specific action. I do think that there’s a lot of understanding about complicated circumstances and not judging marriages etc when a man makes the ultimate betrayal in the marriage - but a woman who disses her husband should be divorced. Hey I’m a bit old fashioned for all my modern women’s lib - so can’t wrap my head around airing my dirty laundry in general - but way way more men have gotten a pass on way worse behavior to their spouse.
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 21, 2019 19:26:58 GMT
I'm curious, as well. I have to admit, it has crossed my mind that it's all for show. But it's also not the first time this type of relationship has occurred. Mary Matalin and James Carville have quite an unusual relationship, and they've gone on record as saying that politics is not discussed in their home. I couldn't live like that, but if they can, more power to them, I suppose. i'm curious too. the big difference between the couples is that MM/JC didn't have the ugliness that we have now. lots of people and families disagree about politics, but it's the personal attacks that i can't support. if someone supports him, they are complicit to the hate and fear and division that is going on right now. that's a big no from me. I think for me, the difference is the person George challenged and criticized is not only his wife’s boss, but the elected leader of the country. Last I checked he was still his own person, and is entitled to his own opinions on both. I don’t always agree with my husband, but I respect his right to his own opinion.
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Post by tduby1 on Mar 21, 2019 19:35:47 GMT
If this is the case, how do the partners respect each other? I just can't wrap my brain around it. i don't know if there is a respect as much as there is an understanding of the common goal. i think many marriages have understandings. i think the Clintons had an understanding. i think the Trumps do too. I agree with except always thought perhaps the Clintons had created more of a "team" as opposed to "romance" and I do feel there was a respect between them, I am not just not sure if they were "in love".
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 21, 2019 19:39:13 GMT
Fuck you. I’ve been respectful of your points of view and opinion but you keep insisting on taking your little digs at liberals. I don’t know what hit you over the head or what life events in the last year affected you but you’ve become such a bitter, ugly, person here. You don’t tell the truth. You buy into and spread the lies that this administration is fond of barfing up. Your posts have more WTF moments than I care to remember. You obviously need a break. WTF is wrong with you? You’re a fucking hypocrite—most of your posting takes aim and fires—spews—disdain and digs towards the liberal peas here—-that same fucking bullshit whining and crying you do about how mean and nasty the liberals are to the conservatives. I don’t support women who lie for a living. It has ZERO to do with sexism as you so poorly and wrongly claim. You’re absolutely ridiculous for even accusing me (and lucyg ) for such a stupid claim. Kellyanne lies for a living. Proven lies. Lies that hurt other people. Kellyanne has proven to be unethical. Yet is given a pass because she continues to elevate her boss through lies and continued lying. Kellyanne thinks it’s fine support a man who calls her husband a loser, then that’s all on her and she can deal with the consequences. I’d leave my job if my boss did what hers was doing—again, ZERO to do with sexism, EVERYTHING to do with respect. It is an absolute shame that people like you cannot apparently, given your comments, tell the difference between the lies and denounce them for what they are—lies. What screams out in your posts is that you’d much rather be going down the dark hole supporting a well known liar and compromise every ethical principle there is just to support your guy/your party. That’s dangerous bullshit. You and a few others who cry and get all sanctimonious about having an echo chamber and that is all you are anymore...”no one wants to hear my opinion on...” blah blah blah—the you take pot shots at liberals, make snarky, sanctimonious—and what you think I’m sure is clever digs insulting liberal peas. And please tell me where I have ever “claimed” that I stand for “empowering women” who lie every time they speak, create alternate reality of the truth, and who are working towards dismantling and destroying the USA. I’ll help you here—-I haven’t. And I’m sure that lucyg hasn’t either. But you will just keep on making those stupid ass, lying claims—just like we see many conservatives/republicans here and elsewhere do—try to claim liberals say/do this, that, or the other, when in reality they’ve never said it nor indicated it. You win today for being part of the misinformation campaign. So you can rightly fuck off, go wallow in the lies of this administration and one Ms. Kellyanne Conway, while those of us who can tell the difference and who don’t support them call them out on it to try to stop the hateful, lying train that Kellyanne promotes and dishes out each day for her dishonest, disingenuous boss. And because you are apparently confused here, there is ZERO correlation to sexism here—you trying to insult me and lucyg for not supporting a lying, liar of a woman (incidentally because she lies) and pushing the narrative accusing us of being sexist, is just more bullshit on your part—a stretch to try to take digs at liberal peas. I've spent some time trying to figure out the best way to say what I want to say here, so I hope it comes out the way I mean it to. I don't think leftturnonly deserved the f-bombs. I do not agree with her points of view a lot of the time, but she mostly posts in a respectful manner unlike some other conservative posters who just post inflammatory shit to stir up more shit. I have never seen her do that, and I don't feel like she did that here.
Another thing to consider: leftturnonly is an active participant in lots of threads here; it's not like she is one of those troll-like posters who only show up to bash liberals on political threads (and some that even aren't political to begin with) and contribute nothing else to this community in any other way.
I appreciate your thoughts. This is not a one time thing that’s been going on—it’s cumulative and I’m at the end with it with her. Tired of the digs, the-woe-is-me-liberals-are-so-awful-gaslighting-bull. Nope, she’s not a troll but her continued, constant disdain and sanctimonious digs at liberals all the while making reference/innuendo to how liberals are the problem needed to be addressed.
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Post by Just T on Mar 21, 2019 19:40:49 GMT
i'm curious too. the big difference between the couples is that MM/JC didn't have the ugliness that we have now. lots of people and families disagree about politics, but it's the personal attacks that i can't support. if someone supports him, they are complicit to the hate and fear and division that is going on right now. that's a big no from me. I think for me, the difference is the person George challenged and criticized is not only his wife’s boss, but the elected leader of the country. Last I checked he was still his own person, and is entitled to his own opinions on both. I don’t always agree with my husband, but I respect his right to his own opinion. My husband and I rarely talk politics because we often have a difference of opinion. We do respect each other's right to our own opinions, for sure. I think where the line would be crossed is if his boss publicly badmouthed me and he didn't have my back. And vice versa. I would be embarrassed and not happy if he publicly badmouthed my boss (and I know he doesn't care for my boss, but then neither do I. LOL). I think it is the very public bashing on all parts that makes it worse. If my husband's boss went on twitter calling me names and stupid and whatever, and my husband took his bosses side...well, that would be a deal breaker.
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Post by casii on Mar 21, 2019 19:41:01 GMT
I don't think it's any of our business, but by putting their dirty laundry out there, unfortunately, it's become our business. They're ALL wrong, but at the end of the day, spouse over boss. I do agree that KAC is a savvy opportunist who jump from Cruz to Trump because it suited her power seeking goals. Not because she truly believes in Trump.
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Post by papersilly on Mar 21, 2019 19:43:17 GMT
i don't know if there is a respect as much as there is an understanding of the common goal. i think many marriages have understandings. i think the Clintons had an understanding. i think the Trumps do too. I agree with except always thought perhaps the Clintons had created more of a "team" as opposed to "romance" and I do feel there was a respect between them, I am not just not sure if they were "in love". i totally agree. when i see the clintons, i see a team. i see an understanding. i see a common goal although the ultimate goal for her felt short. they were the quintessential power couple despite his indiscretions. i think these days they have settled into a more relaxed relationship. there are no more political brass rings but there is still work they, as a couple, can do.
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Post by tduby1 on Mar 21, 2019 19:43:35 GMT
I think what we see is a weird dynamic, as far as their marriage and I am not fond of her but I think it probably would make her life pretty difficult when her husband publicly slams her boss who also happens to be the President of the United States. I think it is also pretty crappy of the President of the United States to act as petty as he is. She says he is doing it to be "protective of her". Uh, no he is not. If he was wanting to protect her, he wouldn't engage. He is not thinking about her at all. Neither is her DH. I couldn't imagine speaking out publicly against my husband as she did but I would be inclined to tell them both to SFU and walk away from them both, honestly. (I am sure it is easier said than done, though.)
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Post by Just T on Mar 21, 2019 20:01:18 GMT
I've spent some time trying to figure out the best way to say what I want to say here, so I hope it comes out the way I mean it to. I don't think leftturnonly deserved the f-bombs. I do not agree with her points of view a lot of the time, but she mostly posts in a respectful manner unlike some other conservative posters who just post inflammatory shit to stir up more shit. I have never seen her do that, and I don't feel like she did that here.
Another thing to consider: leftturnonly is an active participant in lots of threads here; it's not like she is one of those troll-like posters who only show up to bash liberals on political threads (and some that even aren't political to begin with) and contribute nothing else to this community in any other way.
I appreciate your thoughts. This is not a one time thing that’s been going on—it’s cumulative and I’m at the end with it with her. Tired of the digs, the-woe-is-me-liberals-are-so-awful-gaslighting-bull. Nope, she’s not a troll but her continued, constant disdain and sanctimonious digs at liberals all the while making reference/innuendo to how liberals are the problem needed to be addressed. Maybe I have missed something, but I just don't see that from her. She is snarky sometimes, yes. I guess I still compare her to people who are true shit stirrers, and I don't see her that in that way at all. Thank you for acknowledging my thoughts.
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 21, 2019 20:03:00 GMT
I think for me, the difference is the person George challenged and criticized is not only his wife’s boss, but the elected leader of the country. Last I checked he was still his own person, and is entitled to his own opinions on both. I don’t always agree with my husband, but I respect his right to his own opinion. My husband and I rarely talk politics because we often have a difference of opinion. We do respect each other's right to our own opinions, for sure. I think where the line would be crossed is if his boss publicly badmouthed me and he didn't have my back. And vice versa. I would be embarrassed and not happy if he publicly badmouthed my boss (and I know he doesn't care for my boss, but then neither do I. LOL). I think it is the very public bashing on all parts that makes it worse. If my husband's boss went on twitter calling me names and stupid and whatever, and my husband took his bosses side...well, that would be a deal breaker. That would cross my line too. He criticized Trump - not related to being his wife’s boss, but in his capacity as the leader of a country of which he is a citizen. I don’t think he should abstain from that criticism, simply because his wife works for them too.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 21, 2019 20:18:02 GMT
Total aside and hate that we can’t talk politics without the Clintons coming up - I don’t think for a second they didn’t start as a love match - Bill’ incredibly charismatic - it may have become a partnership for the greater good but don’t think for a second it started that way.
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 21, 2019 20:21:45 GMT
Total aside and hate that we can’t talk politics without the Clintons coming up - I don’t think for a second they didn’t start as a love match - Bill’ incredibly charismatic - it may have become a partnership for the greater good but don’t think for a second it started that way. I agree. It’s frustrating. All marriages evolve over time, especially marriages for a time that are conducted in the spotlight. I don’t think they are any exception. Whatever they have, it seems to work for them.
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Post by Just T on Mar 21, 2019 20:22:18 GMT
Total aside and hate that we can’t talk politics without the Clintons coming up - I don’t think for a second they didn’t start as a love match - Bill’ incredibly charismatic - it may have become a partnership for the greater good but don’t think for a second it started that way. I agree, Darcy!
I have never been a fan of either of them. I didn't vote for Bill or Hillary. But man, why do they have to continually be brought up? Neither of them have anything to do with anything happening right now.
I agree with the second part of your post, too. I think a lot of us can look at our own marriages and admit that how they turned out after a few decades are not how they started out when we were young with stars in our eyes.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 21, 2019 20:39:16 GMT
I think what we see is a weird dynamic, as far as their marriage and I am not fond of her but I think it probably would make her life pretty difficult when her husband publicly slams her boss who also happens to be the President of the United States. I think it is also pretty crappy of the President of the United States to act as petty as he is. George is slamming the president who happens to be her boss! That does make a difference. The president surely does not act like a president. It is not unusual for political figures to be slammed, blamed for things many times over, including personal verbal attacks and some physical too. Reagan was shot, Kennedy was shot and killed and there are still too many issues with gun control not addressed. DT cannot even handle words without blaming everyone else for his problems. The Comways have issues that they are living with.... I have no clue how they do it. Their problem! They should not be airing it all in public!
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Post by melissa on Mar 21, 2019 20:43:23 GMT
The Comways have issues that they are living with.... I have no clue how they do it. Their problem! They should not be airing it all in public! I'm waiting for each of their tell all books. I hope they write one with alternating chapters with their points of view and what the reality was vs the public perception. Could be fun to read.
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Post by moodyblue on Mar 21, 2019 20:47:45 GMT
I appreciate your thoughts. This is not a one time thing that’s been going on—it’s cumulative and I’m at the end with it with her. Tired of the digs, the-woe-is-me-liberals-are-so-awful-gaslighting-bull. Nope, she’s not a troll but her continued, constant disdain and sanctimonious digs at liberals all the while making reference/innuendo to how liberals are the problem needed to be addressed. I may agree that there is a different tone to her posts, and she is not coming across the same as she did in past years. I could assume that there are things going on in her life that have impacted her in a negative way. I’m sorry to see that. BUT, there really isn’t a need to use the words you did in calling her out. The points could have been made without the use of the f-word; name-calling like that only makes you look bad and detracts from the points you want to make.
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Post by dewryce on Mar 21, 2019 20:54:10 GMT
I've spent some time trying to figure out the best way to say what I want to say here, so I hope it comes out the way I mean it to. I don't think leftturnonly deserved the f-bombs. I do not agree with her points of view a lot of the time, but she mostly posts in a respectful manner unlike some other conservative posters who just post inflammatory shit to stir up more shit. I have never seen her do that, and I don't feel like she did that here.
Another thing to consider: leftturnonly is an active participant in lots of threads here; it's not like she is one of those troll-like posters who only show up to bash liberals on political threads (and some that even aren't political to begin with) and contribute nothing else to this community in any other way.
While I agree with much of the content of papercrafteradvocate ’s post, I’m with you in that I think the f-bombs were unnecessary. I really enjoy interacting with leftturnonly in all other types of threads and you’re right, she isn’t a troll poster. But I don’t feel it is accurate to say that she wasn’t trying to be inflammatory (calling someone both sexist and blind to it is very inflammatory) or stir up shit (the coy you don’t want to hear my opinion about KAC...then why even bring that aspect up?). Doesn’t mean she deserved the fbombs, she didn’t, but she wasn’t just sitting innocently by and then was attacked without throwing her hat in the ring. It’s just that her hat was insulting but didn’t include cuss words.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Mar 21, 2019 21:13:56 GMT
Why has HRC taken crap from the Republicans/conservatives for decades for staying with Bill, but the Republicans/conservatives aren't saying Melania should leave Donald for rawdogging porn stars & Playboy models while she was home with the couple's newborn?
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Post by coffeetalk on Mar 21, 2019 21:16:45 GMT
Molly Ball ''The Conway marriage is a perfect metaphor for the current Republican Party, split between those who see Trump as an opportunity & those who see him as a horror—and yet, somehow, they stay together.''
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 21, 2019 21:26:21 GMT
I think what we see is a weird dynamic, as far as their marriage and I am not fond of her but I think it probably would make her life pretty difficult when her husband publicly slams her boss who also happens to be the President of the United States. I think it is also pretty crappy of the President of the United States to act as petty as he is. George is slamming the president who happens to be her boss! That does make a difference. The president surely does not act like a president. It is not unusual for political figures to be slammed, blamed for things many times over, including personal verbal attacks and some physical too. Reagan was shot, Kennedy was shot and killed and there are still too many issues with gun control not addressed. DT cannot even handle words without blaming everyone else for his problems. The Comways have issues that they are living with.... I have no clue how they do it. Their problem! They should not be airing it all in public! I don’t believe it started out as “slamming” trump, especially just for the sake of a slam. George started by posting a correction or truth to trump’s lies, not just for the sake of bashing him. George would post specific sections of the laws that trump would violate or what in reality was how something (legal) worked. With trump’s increasing outrageous lies, George became more outspoken, from the perspective of this man is a danger to the constitution and USA (and many don’t think George is wrong!) Kellyanne is the one who publicly sided with trump over her husband, stating that she does not share her husbands concerns. Nor has she spoken out against trump’s calling her husband a loser, or that he’s jealous of her. Not to forget trump’s lies of not knowing George and that he was fired from a WH job (when in reality George declined it). So...you have trump lying. Kellyanne lying. George is the more honest one (based on his responses). I don’t think the Conway’s are playing a con together, I think their marriage will end over this trump loyalty. And trump is most likely getting his rocks off that Kellyanne chose him over her own husband.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 21, 2019 21:27:25 GMT
I may agree that there is a different tone to her posts, and she is not coming across the same as she did in past years. I could assume that there are things going on in her life that have impacted her in a negative way. I’m sorry to see that. BUT, there really isn’t a need to use the words you did in calling her out. The points could have been made without the use of the f-word; name-calling like that only makes you look bad and detracts from the points you want to make. I appreciate your thoughts. Thank you!
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Post by compeateropeator on Mar 21, 2019 21:42:25 GMT
That's pretty cynical. No, the last thing I think is that this is a game. No one here wants to hear my opinion of KellyAnne, so I'll just say that my opinion of my husband would drop every single time he negatively commented in public about something I worked so hard for and believed so deeply in as she does. Who wants to get their boss involved in their marital dispute? Imagine how many times worse this must be. And just imagine what the press would be saying if it was a wife constantly publicly disparaging her husband's boss if he held the same position under Obama. The woman would be called all kinds of terrible things. I agree with this. I would be heartbroken if my DH publicly tweeted about his disrespect for my job. Whether you like her (I don't) or not, this is not what any of us should wish for in a husband. I have a variety of thoughts on this: 1. Thumbs down for any public tweets that speak specifically to/about KellyAnne and her job by her husband or a family member. 2. There is a difference between randomly tweeting disparaging comments about your spouse's boss and a US citizen tweeting disparaging comments on what the sitting President is doing and saying. So even though a spouse works for that President/Administration, if someone is historically outspoken and public with their political comments I think it is unrealistic to assume that their public comments will be/should be silenced. 3. Even before KellyAnne started working for the Trump administration I guarantee that most of us wouldn't be able to imagine or want to live their lifestyle. But I bet it is not much different than it was pre-Trump. Hopefully their choices work for them and their family.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 21, 2019 22:53:41 GMT
Based on what we know of their views, it would seem that their relationship is rocky at best at this point. But obviously there is a lot that we don’t know.
What was their marriage like before trump? Does George not only see trump as being a danger to society, but someone who has come between he and his wife? What is Kelllyanne’s true motive/thoughts/feelings regarding trump? I lean towards thinking that she has gone to his side and truly is all in for him. But even if she is just an opportunist, it would seem that their morals and judgement are not the same at this time—at least regarding trump. My husband and I don’t always have the same political views, but if he all of a sudden went all in for someone like Trump—including lying for him daily—I would be extremely bothered by that alone.
The other day there was a report that he said he tweets these things to get his thoughts out, and he is then able to move on and not scream at KAC about it. I personally don’t know how posting publicly is less stressful, but that was what he told someone. I think he is like the rest of us who are fed up with the president and how he is affecting the country—but he also sees how it is affecting his wife and family.
I don’t think it is ok for this situation to be public the way it is (especially trumps tweets) but I also don’t think it is accurate to compare them with the rest of us and our spouse/boss. It is more complicated than that.
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Post by AnotherPea on Mar 21, 2019 23:23:28 GMT
Why has HRC taken crap from the Republicans/conservatives for decades for staying with Bill, but the Republicans/conservatives aren't saying Melania should leave Donald for rawdogging porn stars & Playboy models while she was home with the couple's newborn?
Neither Republican nor conservative, but I’ll share how I feel about it. When HRC stood by her man, it was the moment that I realized she was where she was and who she was with because she was the politician in that marriage. It felt like her choice was a calculated chess move and she was going to spin her humiliation into something bigger. I was also disappointed. I lost a lot of respect for her. I’ve never had respect for our current First Lady and expect the mistress to get cheated on too.
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Post by lucyg on Mar 22, 2019 0:04:15 GMT
Based on what we know of their views, it would seem that their relationship is rocky at best at this point. But obviously there is a lot that we don’t know. What was their marriage like before trump? Does George not only see trump as being a danger to society, but someone who has come between he and his wife? What is Kelllyanne’s true motive/thoughts/feelings regarding trump? I lean towards thinking that she has gone to his side and truly is all in for him. But even if she is just an opportunist, it would seem that their morals and judgement are not the same at this time—at least regarding trump. My husband and I don’t always have the same political views, but if he all of a sudden went all in for someone like Trump—including lying for him daily—I would be extremely bothered by that alone. The other day there was a report that he said he tweets these things to get his thoughts out, and he is then able to move on and not scream at KAC about it. I personally don’t know how posting publicly is less stressful, but that was what he told someone. I think he is like the rest of us who are fed up with the president and how he is affecting the country—but he also sees how it is affecting his wife and family. I don’t think it is ok for this situation to be public the way it is (especially trumps tweets) but I also don’t think it is accurate to compare them with the rest of us and our spouse/boss. It is more complicated than that. I believe George was a Trump supporter during the election. It was after the election and he started seeing Trump’s abominable behavior and lack of honesty, basic intelligence, education, self-control, etc., that he turned against Trump. He’s still a conservative, just not a Trump cultist.
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Post by Tamhugh on Mar 22, 2019 0:06:56 GMT
I love James Carville and Mary Matalin and would recommend their book "All's Fair: Love, War and Running for President". I read it back when it was first released in hardcover and really enjoyed the insight to how their relationship worked. I don't think Kellyann and her husband have the same dynamic, so it will be interesting to see how their marriage plays out.
As a total aside, a few people have mentioned Melania being the mistress in his marriage to Marla Maples. Weren't they already separated when he met Melania? Not defending him by any means, but I have often heard people say she was the cause of his second divorce and the timeline doesn't seem to fit.
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Post by PLurker on Mar 22, 2019 1:13:42 GMT
I love James Carville and Mary Matalin and would recommend their book "All's Fair: Love, War and Running for President". I read it back when it was first released in hardcover and really enjoyed the insight to how their relationship worked. I don't think Kellyann and her husband have the same dynamic, so it will be interesting to see how their marriage plays out. As a total aside, a few people have mentioned Melania being the mistress in his marriage to Marla Maples. Weren't they already separated when he met Melania? Not defending him by any means, but I have often heard people say she was the cause of his second divorce and the timeline doesn't seem to fit. I recently read (somewhere) that they were together and Melania bragged of djt being her boyfriend long before they claim they met; while he was still with Marla and married. They use their story of how they met (later) to cover that up. I don't have a link or know where I read and don't care enough to look it up, so take it with a grain of salt. I wouldn't put it past them though.
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I love James Carville and Mary Matalin and would recommend their book "All's Fair: Love, War and Running for President". I read it back when it was first released in hardcover and really enjoyed the insight to how their relationship worked. I don't think Kellyann and her husband have the same dynamic, so it will be interesting to see how their marriage plays out. As a total aside, a few people have mentioned Melania being the mistress in his marriage to Marla Maples. Weren't they already separated when he met Melania? Not defending him by any means, but I have often heard people say she was the cause of his second divorce and the timeline doesn't seem to fit. I recently read (somewhere) that they were together and Melania bragged of djt being her boyfriend long before they claim they met; while he was still with Marla and married. They use their story of how they met (later) to cover that up. I don't have a link or know where I read and don't care enough to look it up, so take it with a grain of salt. I wouldn't put it past them though. I read that somewhere too but I can't remember where now, it was ages ago. The cover story of meeting at a party put on by Zampoli (sp ?) was just that. a cover story IMO. Zampoli co-owned the model agency she worked for and he was also a very close friend of Trump. Melania came to the US in 1996.I doubt very much that she hadn't met Trump at all during those two years. Whether he was separated on not, he was still married. They were photographed together a few weeks after his divorce from Marla. Seems a bit of a coincidence to be seen together so soon.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 22, 2019 1:33:35 GMT
Why has HRC taken crap from the Republicans/conservatives for decades for staying with Bill, but the Republicans/conservatives aren't saying Melania should leave Donald for rawdogging porn stars & Playboy models while she was home with the couple's newborn?
Neither Republican nor conservative, but I’ll share how I feel about it. When HRC stood by her man, it was the moment that I realized she was where she was and who she was with because she was the politician in that marriage. It felt like her choice was a calculated chess move and she was going to spin her humiliation into something bigger. I was also disappointed. I lost a lot of respect for her. I’ve never had respect for our current First Lady and expect the mistress to get cheated on too. What do you think of other women who stay in marriages after there is an affair? There is a possibility that the political gain was part of her decision to stay, but it could also be that Hillary is like many women (and men) who decide to try to make the marriage work after an affair. That doesn’t mean that they are spineless or have ulterior motives. In many cases it is harder and a lot more work to stay than it is to leave.
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Post by LiLi on Mar 22, 2019 2:24:11 GMT
Another thing to consider: leftturnonly is an active participant in lots of threads here; it's not like she is one of those troll-like posters who only show up to bash liberals on political threads Passive aggressive attacks are as equal bashing as any. Which, you will find in 95% of Lefturnonly's post.
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