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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 22, 2019 2:34:41 GMT
Another thing to consider: leftturnonly is an active participant in lots of threads here; it's not like she is one of those troll-like posters who only show up to bash liberals on political threads Passive aggressive attacks are as equal bashing as any. Which, you will find in 95% of Lefturnonly's post. ❤️❤️thank you.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 22, 2019 2:55:16 GMT
There is a possibility that the political gain was part of her decision to stay, but it could also be that Hillary is like many women (and men) who decide to try to make the marriage work after an affair. That doesn’t mean that they are spineless or have ulterior motives. In many cases it is harder and a lot more work to stay than it is to leave. The age factor comes in too. Yes, she was accomplished on her own, but not necessarily easy to leave at that time. Today is a different time. Things change over the years, mostly for the best!
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Post by jeremysgirl on Mar 22, 2019 4:00:37 GMT
I agree with this. I would be heartbroken if my DH publicly tweeted about his disrespect for my job. Whether you like her (I don't) or not, this is not what any of us should wish for in a husband. I have a variety of thoughts on this: 1. Thumbs down for any public tweets that speak specifically to/about KellyAnne and her job by her husband or a family member. 2. There is a difference between randomly tweeting disparaging comments about your spouse's boss and a US citizen tweeting disparaging comments on what the sitting President is doing and saying. So even though a spouse works for that President/Administration, if someone is historically outspoken and public with their political comments I think it is unrealistic to assume that their public comments will be/should be silenced. 3. Even before KellyAnne started working for the Trump administration I guarantee that most of us wouldn't be able to imagine or want to live their lifestyle. But I bet it is not much different than it was pre-Trump. Hopefully their choices work for them and their family. I get where you're coming from. I hear you and I think thats a logical possible way to view the situation. But I'm trying to picture it from her perspective within a marital relationship. She is doing something that will probably be the Pinnacle of her whole career. This is it. This is her big break. And he should be her cheerleader. He isn't. That's what I agreed with. We hate Trump. Some of us hate Kelly. But her husband is supposed to love her. There's a lot of great theories here. I think a marriage can't survive this on the basis that respect seems to be lost here. (And I'm not quite sure it isn't lost for both of them)
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Post by tduby1 on Mar 22, 2019 10:36:29 GMT
Total aside and hate that we can’t talk politics without the Clintons coming up - I don’t think for a second they didn’t start as a love match - Bill’ incredibly charismatic - it may have become a partnership for the greater good but don’t think for a second it started that way. I think you are probably correct. I was only commenting on the part of their marriage that played out in the public when I was noticing them. And lest anyone think I was disparaging their marriage, I was not. I have no doubt they love and respect each other and Have a great deal of admiration for each other. And I respect they were able to keep it all together despite everything.
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Post by janeliz on Mar 22, 2019 10:39:54 GMT
To me, this is just one more chapter of abnormal people behaving badly in an abnormal administration. It’s not like this is “Oh, Dana Perino’s husband/partner/whatever doesn’t like George Bush and is speaking out about it...how awkward for her...”. KAC chose compulsive lying for a sociopath as her career and her husband is distressed?’Laughing his ass off in secret? Who knows. THESE👏🏻PEOPLE👏🏻ARE👏🏻NOT👏🏻NORMAL👏🏻
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Post by tduby1 on Mar 22, 2019 10:40:55 GMT
George is slamming the president who happens to be her boss! That does make a difference. The president surely does not act like a president. It is not unusual for political figures to be slammed, blamed for things many times over, including personal verbal attacks and some physical too. Reagan was shot, Kennedy was shot and killed and there are still too many issues with gun control not addressed. DT cannot even handle words without blaming everyone else for his problems. The Comways have issues that they are living with.... I have no clue how they do it. Their problem! They should not be airing it all in public! I don’t believe it started out as “slamming” trump, especially just for the sake of a slam. George started by posting a correction or truth to trump’s lies, not just for the sake of bashing him. George would post specific sections of the laws that trump would violate or what in reality was how something (legal) worked. With trump’s increasing outrageous lies, George became more outspoken, from the perspective of this man is a danger to the constitution and USA (and many don’t think George is wrong!) Kellyanne is the one who publicly sided with trump over her husband, stating that she does not share her husbands concerns. Nor has she spoken out against trump’s calling her husband a loser, or that he’s jealous of her. Not to forget trump’s lies of not knowing George and that he was fired from a WH job (when in reality George declined it). So...you have trump lying. Kellyanne lying. George is the more honest one (based on his responses). I don’t think the Conway’s are playing a con together, I think their marriage will end over this trump loyalty. And trump is most likely getting his rocks off that Kellyanne chose him over her own husband. Yup, and he will tweet/ brag about it.
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Post by Sarah*H on Mar 22, 2019 12:18:17 GMT
I can believe it's theater but I can also believe it's real. George Conway is for sure getting something out of it because he's a well respected lawyer and still has a lot of influence in the Federalist Society so something more is going on than just blowing off steam so he doesn't yell at Kelly (which was his recent explanation.)
The dynamic changed for me this week when she snidely insulted George for spending his day tweeting while she was off doing very.important.things. In all of his tweets, interviews and public comments, George has never insulted Kellyanne. In fact, he's said numerous times how proud he is of her. I just double checked and he is still employed by Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz and he was just published in the Harvard Law Journal so while Kellyanne is off doing her very.important.things, he somehow manages to walk and chew gum at the same time.
No, I wouldn't like it if my spouse tweeted horrible things about my boss. But my spouse would not work for and publicly defend someone as reprehensible as Donald Trump so there's that.
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Post by compeateropeator on Mar 22, 2019 13:39:47 GMT
I have a variety of thoughts on this: 1. Thumbs down for any public tweets that speak specifically to/about KellyAnne and her job by her husband or a family member. 2. There is a difference between randomly tweeting disparaging comments about your spouse's boss and a US citizen tweeting disparaging comments on what the sitting President is doing and saying. So even though a spouse works for that President/Administration, if someone is historically outspoken and public with their political comments I think it is unrealistic to assume that their public comments will be/should be silenced. 3. Even before KellyAnne started working for the Trump administration I guarantee that most of us wouldn't be able to imagine or want to live their lifestyle. But I bet it is not much different than it was pre-Trump. Hopefully their choices work for them and their family. I get where you're coming from. I hear you and I think thats a logical possible way to view the situation. But I'm trying to picture it from her perspective within a marital relationship. She is doing something that will probably be the Pinnacle of her whole career. This is it. This is her big break. And he should be her cheerleader. He isn't. That's what I agreed with. We hate Trump. Some of us hate Kelly. But her husband is supposed to love her. There's a lot of great theories here. I think a marriage can't survive this on the basis that respect seems to be lost here. (And I'm not quite sure it isn't lost for both of them) I also get where you are coming from, and thanks for taking the time to respond. More importantly I want to compliment you on your (general) posts and posting style. I always look forward to and enjoy reading your responses. You come across as a very compassionate, thoughtful, and genuine person. All of you posts reflect this...no matter what the topic is.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 22, 2019 14:01:59 GMT
I can believe it's theater but I can also believe it's real. George Conway is for sure getting something out of it because he's a well respected lawyer and still has a lot of influence in the Federalist Society so something more is going on than just blowing off steam so he doesn't yell at Kelly (which was his recent explanation.) The dynamic changed for me this week when she snidely insulted George for spending his day tweeting while she was off doing very.important.things. In all of his tweets, interviews and public comments, George has never insulted Kellyanne. In fact, he's said numerous times how proud he is of her. I just double checked and he is still employed by Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz and he was just published in the Harvard Law Journal so while Kellyanne is off doing her very.important.things, he somehow manages to walk and chew gum at the same time. No, I wouldn't like it if my spouse tweeted horrible things about my boss. But my spouse would not work for and publicly defend someone as reprehensible as Donald Trump so there's that. Yes, I’ve also read her making fun/disparaging her husband. That wouldn’t fly with me at all.
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Post by flute4peace on Mar 22, 2019 15:20:56 GMT
I'm curious, as well. I have to admit, it has crossed my mind that it's all for show. But it's also not the first time this type of relationship has occurred. Mary Matalin and James Carville have quite an unusual relationship, and they've gone on record as saying that politics is not discussed in their home. I couldn't live like that, but if they can, more power to them, I suppose. i'm curious too. the big difference between the couples is that MM/JC didn't have the ugliness that we have now. lots of people and families disagree about politics, but it's the personal attacks that i can't support. if someone supports him, they are complicit to the hate and fear and division that is going on right now. that's a big no from me. This. Even when they were on the Sunday morning political talk shows, you could tell there was respect and affection between them.
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Post by flute4peace on Mar 22, 2019 15:21:34 GMT
I actually think it’s an interesting topic we could discuss about the dynamics of “traditional” roles and different political views and how it plays out in the media - but there’s way too much personal animosity about the players to discuss without bringing in one’s opinion of them in general versus a specific action. I do think that there’s a lot of understanding about complicated circumstances and not judging marriages etc when a man makes the ultimate betrayal in the marriage - but a woman who disses her husband should be divorced. Hey I’m a bit old fashioned for all my modern women’s lib - so can’t wrap my head around airing my dirty laundry in general - but way way more men have gotten a pass on way worse behavior to their spouse. This is a really good post.
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Post by flute4peace on Mar 22, 2019 15:27:09 GMT
I can believe it's theater but I can also believe it's real. George Conway is for sure getting something out of it because he's a well respected lawyer and still has a lot of influence in the Federalist Society so something more is going on than just blowing off steam so he doesn't yell at Kelly (which was his recent explanation.) The dynamic changed for me this week when she snidely insulted George for spending his day tweeting while she was off doing very.important.things. In all of his tweets, interviews and public comments, George has never insulted Kellyanne. In fact, he's said numerous times how proud he is of her. I just double checked and he is still employed by Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz and he was just published in the Harvard Law Journal so while Kellyanne is off doing her very.important.things, he somehow manages to walk and chew gum at the same time. No, I wouldn't like it if my spouse tweeted horrible things about my boss. But my spouse would not work for and publicly defend someone as reprehensible as Donald Trump so there's that. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA I'm sorry, but isn't this what her boss does all day? Projecting, much?
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Post by flute4peace on Mar 22, 2019 15:29:13 GMT
To me, this is just one more chapter of abnormal people behaving badly in an abnormal administration. It’s not like this is “Oh, Dana Perino’s husband/partner/whatever doesn’t like George Bush and is speaking out about it...how awkward for her...”. KAC chose compulsive lying for a sociopath as her career and her husband is distressed?’Laughing his ass off in secret? Who knows. THESE👏🏻PEOPLE👏🏻ARE👏🏻NOT👏🏻NORMAL👏🏻 I used to think that too, but am dumbfounded at how many people not only overlook the "abnormal", they actually glorify and support it. Sometimes I question whether I'm the one that's abnormal.
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Post by purplebee on Mar 22, 2019 20:40:19 GMT
The three main players in this soap opera are ridiculously out of line in airing their family feud so publicly. I sometimes think I am reading the National Enquirer or The Star in order to keep up with the latest chapter in our nation's politics. It is beyond belief....
James Carville and Mary Matalin have more class in their little toes than these three put together. Con game or whatever, DT and the Conways are a disgrace.
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Post by cycworker on Mar 23, 2019 16:26:33 GMT
I think the general consensus in Washington is that KellyAnne's husband is saying what KA believes but cannot say. Prior to the election, these are the exact things that KA said. I listen to conservative radio on my way to and from work and even the conservative radio hosts agree with this. I think KA is brilliant. I do not like her in the slightest, but she does what she does with brilliance. I think she knows EXACTLY what ol' George is going to say and I think she tells him what to say. FWIW "Trump not going to last?" I do not know what cycworker meant by that, but leftturnonly , I think very few people would disagree that he will go down as one of the very worst presidents in history, if not the worst. I mean he will be a one term president and when all the truth comes out history won't look kindly on him or his supporters. i mean I suspect KA wrote the anonymous op ed.
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Post by lizacreates on Mar 23, 2019 18:28:25 GMT
Nah. There is some kind of good cop/bad cop thing going on here. They have some kind of angle. I think KA, in particular, is faking loyalty to Trump. They both know Trump is ultimately not gonna last & they're positioning themselves to be future power brokers. The president is in his third year of office. This belief that he's going to be tossed out on his ear is also going into its third year. His name is forever written as the 45th president of the United States of America and he has already served longer than three other presidents. Not going to last? That just doesn't even make sense. Sure. KellyAnne is hoping to lose this job with no power or recognition to get a real power job that she can only get with a husband who publicly denigrates what she believes in and works for. Yay women's lib! I have no opinion about the Conways’ marriage or their motivations-it’s for them to figure out what works and what doesn’t and none of it is my business. But I do have a very strong opinion about a president who engages in this inanity. Regardless of whether Geo Conway’s criticisms are justified or not, or whether his actions are disrespectful or not toward his wife, Trump is the President of the United States and as such, is expected to take the high road and ignore them instead of engaging in pettiness that can only be likened to a schoolyard brawl. This country has so many pressing problems that it’s inconceivable a president’s time and attention should be directed toward this (and in the same vein, continue to tweet about a dead senator who cannot defend himself and whose family is still likely grieving). Yes, you’re absolutely correct that Trump will forever be the 45th President of the United States. However, that doesn’t automatically confer the deference and kindness of history, and neither does it mean his legacy will endure for admirable reasons. Certainly not when he consistently and pugnaciously drags this country into a neverending juvenile romp in the gutter, provocation notwithstanding. And yes, you’re correct again in reminding us that it’s his third year into the presidency to which I would respectfully reply: It’s way past time, therefore, for him to grow up.
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