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Post by peano on Mar 22, 2019 23:13:00 GMT
From Slate "Indiana Teachers Say They Were Shot “Execution Style” With Pellet Guns in Active Shooter Training". linkTo be filed under: I Am Essentially A Frightened Little Man Who Believes A Gun Gives Me Gigantic Brass Balls And Helps Me Maintain The Illusion That I Know EXACTLY How I Would React If Suddenly Attacked By Someone Shooting An AR-15. Another story I read about this said students were told to throw wadded up paper balls at a shooter. At Sandy Hook School, Jesse Lewis, age 6, saved several of his friends by encouraging them to run while the shooter reloaded and then was murdered. Jesse Lewis had more sense than this entire sheriff's department combined. Goddamn this story makes me angry. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Mar 22, 2019 23:17:11 GMT
I saw it on Twitter and FB. Fucking WILD. There is no way in hell I'd have allowed this to happen.
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Post by christine58 on Mar 22, 2019 23:20:49 GMT
And this happened almost 9 months ago
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Post by katybee on Mar 22, 2019 23:24:46 GMT
Yeah...so let’s get this straight.
Mass shooting in New Zealand... they almost immediately pass a law banning assault rifles and high capacity magazines.
Multiple, regular mass shootings in the US...we make teachers go through active shooter training and actually shoot them with non-lethal rounds so that they will understand what happens if they just sit there in an attack. That’s the best we can do.
God bless America.
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Post by TankTop on Mar 22, 2019 23:26:04 GMT
The bigger question is how have we as a society allowed things to get so far out of hand that we have 5 year old babies practicing how to hide in their classroom from the shooter?
As a teacher I can tell you even my 5th graders are scared. When a student silently mouths an apology to their class because they sneezed during a lockdown because they know they just drew attention to their class, we have truly screwed an entire generation up.
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Post by TankTop on Mar 22, 2019 23:29:40 GMT
Now you have me raging...
When the no longer unthinkable happens we blame these same kids because they didn’t report that something was off.
How about the fact that we have trained them from the day they entered kindergarten to ignore the behaviors of other students. Why would they report it? They have been trained well to ignore behaviors and go about their day.
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Post by SockMonkey on Mar 22, 2019 23:30:56 GMT
The bigger question is how have we as a society allowed things to get so far out of hand that we have 5 year old babies practicing how to hide in their classroom from the shooter? As a teacher I can tell you even my 5th graders are scared. When a student silently mouths an apology to their class because they sneezed during a lockdown because they know they just drew attention to their class, we have truly screwed an entire generation up. All so people can have their hobby. |
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Post by katybee on Mar 22, 2019 23:39:32 GMT
Earlier this year, my elementary school went on lockdown because we thought there was an active shooter on our campus. It was not a drill. We actually thought there was an active shooter on our campus. Actually—we (the teachers and students inside the building) didn’t know anything. I knew it was not a drill, because we had just had a drill the previous week. So there I was, crammed in the corner of my dark classroom with 22 terrified five-year-olds. For over 30 minutes. Do you know what it’s like to try to keep 22 kindergartners calm and SILENT while you are terrified yourself, having no idea what was going on? Wondering if someone was going to shoot through my door and pick us off one by one—like fish in a barrel? Trying to decide what I would do? Throw my stapler? My scissors?
We had it easy, the first graders were at recess, and saw the SWAT team storm our campus with their rifles drawn. They were screamed at to hide in a ditch and be quiet. The students and teachers were both traumatized.
Turns out it was a false alarm. But it was a nightmare while it lasted.
And this is the best we can do for our kids.
(And in case anyone is wondering, I do NOT wish I would have had a gun. I cannot shoot a basket when I am calm. There is no way I could shoot a gun when I am shaking like a leaf… )
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Post by busy on Mar 22, 2019 23:39:58 GMT
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Post by snyder on Mar 22, 2019 23:51:57 GMT
Yeah...so let’s get this straight. Mass shooting in New Zealand... they almost immediately pass a law banning assault rifles and high capacity magazines. Multiple, regular mass shootings in the US...we make teachers go through active shooter training and actually shoot them with non-lethal rounds so that they will understand what happens if they just sit there in an attack. That’s the best we can do. God bless America. It is probably easier to get something done there as you don't have 327.2 million people in the USA voicing an opinion whereas, New Zealand only has 4.8 million opinions. Sad we do have so much red tape and hurdles to navigate to get ANYTHING done. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 22, 2019 23:58:50 GMT
The after affects!!! I honestly gasped when I saw the headline. These kids have been through so much, now they are suffering survivor guilt! Also suffering from PTSD Parkland Shooting Survivor Sydney Aiello Takes Her Own LifeSydney Aiello, 19, was a senior when she survived the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. Her friend Meadow was one of 17 people who died in the massacre.Pilar Melendez 03.22.19 3:50 PM ET Sydney Aiello—who survived the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, that left 17 dead—took her own life on Sunday afternoon, authorities confirmed. “Sydney spent 19 years writing her story as a beloved daughter, sister and friend to many,” the 19-year-old’s family wrote. “She lit up every room she entered. Sydney aspired to work in the medical field helping others in need.” ** Sydney Aiello was close friends with Meadow Pollack, one of the 17 people killed at the school on Feb. 14, 2018, when accused shooter Nikolas Cruz opened fire with an AR-15-style rifle. Cruz, 19, is currently being held in Broward County jail. “It’s terrible what happened. Meadow and Sydney were friends for a long, long time,” Meadow’s father, Andrew Pollack, told the Miami Herald on Friday, adding that his “heart goes out to those poor, poor parents.” “Killing yourself is not the answer,” he added. “If anyone feels like that they have no one that can understand their pain, if there’s any student out there that’s having a hard time, please reach out to me on Twitter. I understand you. You aren’t alone.” ** www.thedailybeast.com/parkland-shooting-survivor-sydney-aiello-takes-her-own-life?ref=scroll |
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Post by darkchami on Mar 23, 2019 0:24:00 GMT
I couldn’t believe it when I read about this yesterday. I’m a pretty easygoing person. There is no doubt in my mind that I would have had a lawyer by the next morning. It is not acceptable for an employer to assault employees or hire others to assault employees.
The teachers were told not to tell the others that they were about to be “shot.” At least that is what one source said. I could not do that to my coworkers. I would have told them exactly what was about to happen so that they could choose whether or not to participate. There was nothing to be gained from this exercise. If they wanted to fire me for preventing an assault on my coworkers, go for it. I am sure that any lawyer would have a field day with that.
I am so glad I work for a district that cares about its employees.
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Post by scrapsotime on Mar 23, 2019 0:27:35 GMT
And this happened almost 9 months ago The picture on the article that is from June was in Colorado. This story is from Indiana and happened in January. This is a about an hour from me. I didn't hear anything about it until yesterday. |
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Post by luckyjune on Mar 23, 2019 0:30:19 GMT
This is insane. There is no way in hell I would have participated in this. This would become a legal issue and a union issue, tout suite.
We have a teacher who wants one of our drills to be a practice barricade. My guess is that the teachers in my building refuse.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 1:04:11 GMT
Wow. My dh would have walked out (teacher). He is calm but I am sure he would have went off.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 23, 2019 1:11:43 GMT
I read it yesterday, but forgot to post it... Way too far over the line!! Not acceptable!
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Post by birukitty on Mar 23, 2019 1:14:27 GMT
Yeah...so let’s get this straight. Mass shooting in New Zealand... they almost immediately pass a law banning assault rifles and high capacity magazines. Multiple, regular mass shootings in the US...we make teachers go through active shooter training and actually shoot them with non-lethal rounds so that they will understand what happens if they just sit there in an attack. That’s the best we can do. God bless America. It is probably easier to get something done there as you don't have 327.2 million people in the USA voicing an opinion whereas, New Zealand only has 4.8 million opinions. Sad we do have so much red tape and hurdles to navigate to get ANYTHING done. But that isn't really what's been going on is it? In various polls more people want stronger gun control laws. A large percentage of people (something like 80% or more) wants background checks done on EVERY gun purchased and yet there are still laws on the books that say if you buy a gun at a gun show or from a private person you don't have to do a background check. If you go by everyone's opinion things would change regarding current gun control laws in this country-I believe they would become much stronger. We aren't asked our opinion when it comes to making these laws. Yes, we can write to our congressmen and senators but how much does that really count? Has anything changed since the Newtown mass shooting of the kindergartners? I mean serious gun control change. If that didn't change things in this country I don't know what will. It's very hard not to give up hope. One of the biggest problems is the NRA and how they pay bribes to various congressmen and senators to vote the way the NRA wants them to-striking down every single gun control law (no matter what it is) that comes up. I don't think our citizen's opinions have much to do with it. I think the corruption in our government needs to change so that instead of being able to accept these bribes a law should be enacted that those who do will face criminal penalties. I know they don't call them "bribes" but that's what they are. If that's not possible a law could be enacted that government officials are no longer able to accept any bribes (contributions or whatever word they use instead) whatsoever from anyone. That would probably be good too. That way they should vote based on what their constituents want-which is how it is supposed to be. It's disgusting that our country has become a virtual war zone because some people just have to have their gun(s). The most helpless victims are our children, especially the small ones in elementary school. That they have to grow up with this type of fear and terror is insane. As far as this article I am livid for the teachers and what they had to go through. |
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Post by moodyblue on Mar 23, 2019 2:51:15 GMT
I do not understand anyone thinking this was a good idea.
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Post by jcm28 on Mar 23, 2019 12:27:06 GMT
In a December, I was helping with a Santa’s shop at a local elementary school. My 19 year old grandaughter was with me. We were in the library and had dozens of kids coming in and out. Now I haven’t been inside a school for many, many years. They called a lockdown and we had to sit on the floor with the children. I positioned myself by the door that exited to the outside with a bunch of first graders. It was a very tense 30 minutes. One of the teachers was losing it very near me. It was not a drill. An armed man was spotted on the sidewalk outside the school. It took 30 minutes for police to call the all clear. The little ones near me seem unfazed.I don’t think they actually understood what it meant. It hurt my heart to think these little children could have been harmed.
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Post by AnotherPea on Mar 23, 2019 12:39:17 GMT
I couldn’t believe it when I read about this yesterday. I’m a pretty easygoing person. There is no doubt in my mind that I would have had a lawyer by the next morning. It is not acceptable for an employer to assault employees or hire others to assault employees. The teachers were told not to tell the others that they were about to be “shot.” At least that is what one source said. I could not do that to my coworkers. I would have told them exactly what was about to happen so that they could choose whether or not to participate. There was nothing to be gained from this exercise. If they wanted to fire me for preventing an assault on my coworkers, go for it. I am sure that any lawyer would have a field day with that. I am so glad I work for a district that cares about its employees. That’s what I don’t get - the compliance. I would NOT get shot with an airsoft gun, I would not lie down on the floor and I sure as hell would be very vocal during and after they tried something like that. I can play along if I see a purpose, but there was no purpose in actually causing physical harm. |
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Post by kluski on Mar 23, 2019 14:23:00 GMT
It’s called ALICE training. Feel free to google it. I’m not clicking on the link bc this is how we train now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 14:38:23 GMT
It’s called ALICE training. Feel free to google it. I’m not clicking on the link bc this is how we train now. Thanks for the info. We have talked about doing this at work. |
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Post by busy on Mar 23, 2019 14:47:59 GMT
I just looked at the ALICE training website and am totally baffled how any organizations would get talked into paying for this bullshit.
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Post by moodyblue on Mar 23, 2019 14:48:42 GMT
It’s called ALICE training. Feel free to google it. I’m not clicking on the link bc this is how we train now. We did active shooter drills - but we did not have anyone actually shoot people with any kind of gun. We did run the drill two ways, one where we tried to barricade and hide, and one where we escaped from the building. In the one where we barricaded, we saw how easy it was for the 'shooter' to get past that and end up standing over us with a gun - very sobering. Before the drills, the officer shot off a gun with a blank so people could hear how it sounds. BUT no one got shot in any way. That’s unnecessary for any drill. |
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 23, 2019 16:41:15 GMT
It’s called ALICE training. Feel free to google it. I’m not clicking on the link bc this is how we train now. We did active shooter drills - but we did not have anyone actually shoot people with any kind of gun. We did run the drill two ways, one where we tried to barricade and hide, and one where we escaped from the building. In the one where we barricaded, we saw how easy it was for the 'shooter' to get past that and end up standing over us with a gun - very sobering. Before the drills, the officer shot off a gun with a blank so people could hear how it sounds. BUT no one got shot in any way. That’s unnecessary for any drill. We were told to barricade or try to escape. The people who tried to escape were met with a second shooter outside and they were "killed." When I was teaching, I would have been livid if they had shot me (or missed and hit one of the kids). I did drills with 1st graders and they knew what was happening. The fifth graders were more clam, but kids were scared regardless. |
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Post by annie on Mar 23, 2019 21:08:01 GMT
I have been through this training! About 2 years ago. I got shot in the back. We were crouched in a chemistry lab at one of our district high schools. We barricaded the door to practice, and then the "shooter" surprised us by coming through a side door and "shot" us. We were told to expect it and they had us wear goggles. It stung. It was scary. I hated every minute of it.
Those saying, "I wouldn't do it!" - well, it was a condition of my being hired. All new teachers in my district must go through mandatory ALICE training. If you were pregnant, you could opt out of the getting shot part.
I have to teach my 5 year old students many things that are terrifying. The C stands for "counter" and yes, we talk about how we may have to throw things at the "dangerous someone" to divert and distract them, not to fight them. They made us practice with paper towels last year. Sigh. Mostly we practice evacuating in a hurry...
It's fucking awful.
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Post by moodyblue on Mar 23, 2019 21:22:02 GMT
I have been through this training! About 2 years ago. I got shot in the back. We were crouched in a chemistry lab at one of our district high schools. We barricaded the door to practice, and then the "shooter" surprised us by coming through a side door and "shot" us. We were told to expect it and they had us wear goggles. It stung. It was scary. I hated every minute of it. Those saying, "I wouldn't do it!" - well, it was a condition of my being hired. All new teachers in my district must go through mandatory ALICE training. If you were pregnant, you could opt out of the getting shot part. I have to teach my 5 year old students many things that are terrifying. The C stands for "counter" and yes, we talk about how we may have to throw things at the "dangerous someone" to divert and distract them, not to fight them. They made us practice with paper towels last year. Sigh. Mostly we practice evacuating in a hurry... It's fucking awful. Still no good reason to actually 'shoot' anyone. Not necessary at all. |
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Post by annie on Mar 23, 2019 21:32:34 GMT
I have been through this training! About 2 years ago. I got shot in the back. We were crouched in a chemistry lab at one of our district high schools. We barricaded the door to practice, and then the "shooter" surprised us by coming through a side door and "shot" us. We were told to expect it and they had us wear goggles. It stung. It was scary. I hated every minute of it. Those saying, "I wouldn't do it!" - well, it was a condition of my being hired. All new teachers in my district must go through mandatory ALICE training. If you were pregnant, you could opt out of the getting shot part. I have to teach my 5 year old students many things that are terrifying. The C stands for "counter" and yes, we talk about how we may have to throw things at the "dangerous someone" to divert and distract them, not to fight them. They made us practice with paper towels last year. Sigh. Mostly we practice evacuating in a hurry... It's fucking awful. Still no good reason to actually 'shoot' anyone. Not necessary at all. I agree, but I'm just a lowly elementary school teacher who needed a job. |
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Post by inkedup on Mar 23, 2019 21:41:46 GMT
Earlier this year, my elementary school went on lockdown because we thought there was an active shooter on our campus. It was not a drill. We actually thought there was an active shooter on our campus. Actually—we (the teachers and students inside the building) didn’t know anything. I knew it was not a drill, because we had just had a drill the previous week. So there I was, crammed in the corner of my dark classroom with 22 terrified five-year-olds. For over 30 minutes. Do you know what it’s like to try to keep 22 kindergartners calm and SILENT while you are terrified yourself, having no idea what was going on? Wondering if someone was going to shoot through my door and pick us off one by one—like fish in a barrel? Trying to decide what I would do? Throw my stapler? My scissors? We had it easy, the first graders were at recess, and saw the SWAT team storm our campus with their rifles drawn. They were screamed at to hide in a ditch and be quiet. The students and teachers were both traumatized. Turns out it was a false alarm. But it was a nightmare while it lasted. And this is the best we can do for our kids. (And in case anyone is wondering, I do NOT wish I would have had a gun. I cannot shoot a basket when I am calm. There is no way I could shoot a gun when I am shaking like a leaf… ) This makes me want to cry and break things. The burdens our teachers carry are unthinkable. Teach a class of 30, most or many of whom are hungry and lacking in any kind of resources from home. Teach these kids to pass a standardized test that has no real bearing on anything except your career. And, in between, learn how to shield those children with your own body and comfort them while they sob. 😢 |
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Post by pyccku on Mar 23, 2019 21:59:03 GMT
Part of the training is also that you fight back if you have no other option. So I wonder - what would happen if you DID fight back? What if someone threw a chair at the trainer, or punched them?
My guess is that the teacher would have ended up in handcuffs for "assaulting" a police officer.
We did see a video about ALICE, but haven't done any live training. I can't imagine my district doing something so crazy. Then again, our superintendent actually sees the teachers as human beings with feelings and emotions rather than disposable widgets to be used up and thrown out.
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