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Post by oh yvonne on Apr 2, 2019 21:44:57 GMT
Ugh. I like him and I wish people would just stop it! Everyone has to whine for attention. Pay attention to meeee! Me! I was touched! He touched me! AHHHH!!! If they don't like being touched then just move away. So ridiculous. Everyone is afraid to do or say anything now adays. I can't stand it. Seriously? Shame on you. You have a daughter. You should be teaching her that NO ONE gets to touch her without her permission. I don't care if it's a touch on the arm, on the head, a hug, or more. No one has the right to touch a person without consent. Not even the vice president or presidential nominee. shame on me nothing. Don't you bring my daughter into this, eff off.
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Post by gale w on Apr 2, 2019 21:48:24 GMT
We were talking about this this morning and I told dh surely the democrats won't stand for this and he said many will. I can't believe he was right.
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Post by likescarrots on Apr 2, 2019 21:56:52 GMT
Seriously? Shame on you. You have a daughter. You should be teaching her that NO ONE gets to touch her without her permission. I don't care if it's a touch on the arm, on the head, a hug, or more. No one has the right to touch a person without consent. Not even the vice president or presidential nominee. shame on me nothing. Don't you bring my daughter into this, eff off. Your daughter is already IN THIS. She will be a woman one day who has to extract herself from uncomfortable situations. She has probably already had to do it without realizing how fucked up that is. You're telling her it's perfectly acceptable that men put her in those uncomfortable positions, that it's on her to get out of them.
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 2, 2019 22:48:50 GMT
It is interesting though...how far is too far? For sure someone is trying to get Biden out of things by blowing this up...but if there wasn't anything there, there'd be nothing to blow up. He's inappropriate, without remorse. Joe being Joe. But then he says things like, "it’s never, never, never, never, never okay to touch her without her consent" [ Source] so you know he understands what sexual harassment is and the concept of consent, so why is this a problem? Why doesn't he get personal space?
That's the point he's missing - it's about respecting personal space not about him having a chance to express his...whatever (compassion, relate-ability, etc). I'm sure it's inconceivable to him that his advances/actions aren't welcomed by some because so many have welcomed them...until now.
Welcome to the post-#MeToo era, Joe.
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Post by MichyM on Apr 2, 2019 23:21:14 GMT
I agree with you MizIn.
In my previous posts I’ve been very clear about how I feel about him being “him.” He absolutely needs to acknowledge that he has left some women feeling uncomfortable in his presence. What I may not have been clear about is that I can understand that he probably wasn’t being skeevy. He’s no Trump. Being overly touchy-feely seems to be in his DNA.
That said, unless he KNOWS that a woman doesn’t mind him touching/kissing/caressing them, he simply needs to STOP. And again acknowledge that what he has done is wrong. And no, the women shouldn’t need to say something to him, pull away from him if he oversteps societal norms.
I mean ladies, really. Can you even imagine?!? Ugh! This issue REALLY bothers me.
For the most part I stay out if the political threads because the hypocrisy and mudslinging from both sides is uncomfortable to be around. I am a Democrat. If Biden was a Republican, I believe, with every fiber of my being, this board would be completely up in arms about this and would be calling for him to be *hung up by his toenails.*
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 23:24:45 GMT
It is interesting though...how far is too far? For sure someone is trying to get Biden out of things by blowing this up...but if there wasn't anything there, there'd be nothing to blow up. He's inappropriate, without remorse. Joe being Joe. But then he says things like, "it’s never, never, never, never, never okay to touch her without her consent" [ Source] so you know he understands what sexual harassment is and the concept of consent, so why is this a problem? Why doesn't he get personal space?
That's the point he's missing - it's about respecting personal space not about him having a chance to express his...whatever (compassion, relate-ability, etc). I'm sure it's inconceivable to him that his advances/actions aren't welcomed by some because so many have welcomed them...until now.
Welcome to the post-#MeToo era, Joe.
It's a double edge sword, that's for sure. Sure, you can use it to cut one way, but it's going to cut the other way eventually.
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Post by samantha25 on Apr 2, 2019 23:34:30 GMT
What does "woke" mean? Not familiar with this jargon...
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Post by MichyM on Apr 2, 2019 23:48:37 GMT
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Post by samantha25 on Apr 2, 2019 23:52:15 GMT
Another social-media-generated word... can I dislike the new version's use? I like the old annotation... Thanks for the link.
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 3, 2019 0:03:53 GMT
I’ve tried to get worked up about this, but I’m finding it really difficult. People who are too touchy-feely for you (anyone) are annoying, but that doesn’t make them “inappropriate.” I don’t particularly like being hugged by adults I didn’t give birth to, but I wouldn’t dream of trying to destroy a leading contender for the presidency by complaining about their “inappropriate” hugging/touching, etc. It’s a thinly-disguised attempt to take down an opponent by a supporter of another Democrat. And the more I think about it, the madder I get. I guess I’m with Mika on this one. While I also agree with you that this is likely a response to Biden being a front runner for the Democrats, I disagree about the appropriateness of this degree of familiarity.
Here's the litmus test: if it were Trump doing any of the "Joe being Joe" actions, would you still feel it was okay or that it was the woman's job to either say "no thank you I'm not comfortable" or to push him away?
People, especially those in positions of power, really ought to be cognizant of personal space - most especially because of the misinterpretations that can and often do result. It isn't about it being annoying, it's about it being unwelcome and invasive and intent doesn't really come into it here because unwelcome means exactly that. We have a right to autonomy, period.
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Post by MichyM on Apr 3, 2019 0:06:44 GMT
Another social-media-generated word... can I dislike the new version's use? I like the old annotation... Thanks for the link. I liken it to all the other slang words that have come and gone. Remember back when “meh,” “wacked,” “you go girl,” and “phat” were the thing? Woke of course has an entirely different meaning, but like the slang that has come before, it’ll be out of fashion in a while
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Post by carhoch on Apr 3, 2019 0:07:45 GMT
Honestly the lady that complained about Biden is a big fan of Bernie Sanders and I think that Mr. Biden is being framed .
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Post by MichyM on Apr 3, 2019 0:10:49 GMT
Honestly the lady that complained about Biden is a big fan of Bernie Sanders and I think that Mr. Biden is being framed . I do question the motivation for these incidents becoming public fodder now, I struggle to understand how and why you think he’s being framed?
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Post by lizacreates on Apr 3, 2019 0:12:19 GMT
It is interesting though...how far is too far? For sure someone is trying to get Biden out of things by blowing this up...but if there wasn't anything there, there'd be nothing to blow up. He's inappropriate, without remorse. Joe being Joe. But then he says things like, "it’s never, never, never, never, never okay to touch her without her consent" [ Source] so you know he understands what sexual harassment is and the concept of consent, so why is this a problem? Why doesn't he get personal space?
That's the point he's missing - it's about respecting personal space not about him having a chance to express his...whatever (compassion, relate-ability, etc). I'm sure it's inconceivable to him that his advances/actions aren't welcomed by some because so many have welcomed them...until now.
Welcome to the post-#MeToo era, Joe.
I really don’t think he’s doing these out of malice. All of those prior instances, they just sort of got shrugged off because what are these women going to do – most of these occurred out in public in front of cameras, crowds, etc. They weren’t going to make a public scene even if they were supremely uncomfortable. See…I say to myself if a man I have no intimate relationship with came up behind me, put his hands on my shoulder, sniffed my hair and kissed the back of my head, I’d smack him. But I also was never in the spotlight with the VP and a gaggle of press. However, I can easily wait and speak to him in private, and let him know this is unacceptable. Coons’ teen (or preteen) daughter was clearly uncomfortable. Did Coons speak to him afterwards? I don’t think anyone knows. The other thing that bothers me is the Anita Hill case. I get it, too. He’s remorseful. But in almost thirty years he never went to see Anita personally to apologize. I don’t hate him, but I just don’t think he really understands what women today are asserting and the changes they’re demanding. (On a completely unrelated topic, your thread about Mel Mermelstein prompted me to read his book. It was so profoundly frightening and touching, and not one I’ll soon forget. Thanks again.)
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Post by sasha on Apr 3, 2019 0:24:16 GMT
Honestly the lady that complained about Biden is a big fan of Bernie Sanders and I think that Mr. Biden is being framed . Framed implies he didn't do exactly what made the woman uncomfortable. Was it politically motivated to come out now when there's talk of a run? Perhaps. But he's been doing this for years. Affectionate and warm to me = a hugger. Kissing the back of your head, sniffing your hair = creepy whether you intended it to be or not. But we've got a fuckpig in the office now, so I actually do get why people are defending this.
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Post by Merge on Apr 3, 2019 0:29:07 GMT
It is interesting though...how far is too far? For sure someone is trying to get Biden out of things by blowing this up...but if there wasn't anything there, there'd be nothing to blow up. He's inappropriate, without remorse. Joe being Joe. But then he says things like, "it’s never, never, never, never, never okay to touch her without her consent" [ Source] so you know he understands what sexual harassment is and the concept of consent, so why is this a problem? Why doesn't he get personal space?
That's the point he's missing - it's about respecting personal space not about him having a chance to express his...whatever (compassion, relate-ability, etc). I'm sure it's inconceivable to him that his advances/actions aren't welcomed by some because so many have welcomed them...until now.
Welcome to the post-#MeToo era, Joe.
I really don’t think he’s doing these out of malice. All of those prior instances, they just sort of got shrugged off because what are these women going to do – most of these occurred out in public in front of cameras, crowds, etc. They weren’t going to make a public scene even if they were supremely uncomfortable. See…I say to myself if a man I have no intimate relationship with came up behind me, put his hands on my shoulder, sniffed my hair and kissed the back of my head, I’d smack him. But I also was never in the spotlight with the VP and a gaggle of press. However, I can easily wait and speak to him in private, and let him know this is unacceptable. Coons’ teen (or preteen) daughter was clearly uncomfortable. Did Coons speak to him afterwards? I don’t think anyone knows. The other thing that bothers me is the Anita Hill case. I get it, too. He’s remorseful. But in almost thirty years he never went to see Anita personally to apologize. I don’t hate him, but I just don’t think he really understands what women today are asserting and the changes they’re demanding. I agree with you. And honestly, this goes to the heart of my objections about another old man in the White House. The world is changing rapidly. Social mores and expectations around how we treat each other have undergone a rapid transformation even in the past decade. Those of us who have, shall we say, moved with the times, have frequently been told to slow down, that we're changing too rapidly for the older people who have a harder time with change. That we have to accept baby steps in the rights of women, LGBTQ, people of color, and others, because the older generation just can't get used to things changing that quickly. Most of us have older relatives who still use racist and sexist language, or who treat women casually as objects, and it's mostly brushed aside as "just how they are." All that was OK when they were growing up, and they're "too old to change now." That's how I see Joe Biden. He's an elderly uncle who came of age when men touched women as they pleased. They "didn't mean anything by it," of course, it was just "how they were." I think if we accept that Biden is just how he is, and decide that's OK, we're also tacitly accepting that the casual racism or homophobic rhetoric we hear from other members of the older generation are also OK. And I'm not willing to do that. I think that people who grew up in a different era, but want to lead in this one, need to accept and operate within the current norms. And if they're not willing or able to do that, they need to step aside and let someone else lead the way.
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 3, 2019 0:32:31 GMT
Disclaimer: Although I like Joe Biden, I feel that he is a bit old to run for President.
Having said that-Mika is right. The left is going to squabble it’s way to a loss. Discipline to the left is like herding cats. I do not like how feely Joe Biden is, but I don’t think that he’s a predator, either. Frankly, some on the left are so easily triggered that one wonders how they make it through a day sometimes. Someone got offended on twitter because of a comment about a bird being her spirit animal. That person is not Native American,and apparently this triggered someone enough to chastise her.
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Post by lizacreates on Apr 3, 2019 0:34:42 GMT
I agree with you. And honestly, this goes to the heart of my objections about another old man in the White House. The world is changing rapidly. Social mores and expectations around how we treat each other have undergone a rapid transformation even in the past decade. Those of us who have, shall we say, moved with the times, have frequently been told to slow down, that we're changing too rapidly for the older people who have a harder time with change. That we have to accept baby steps in the rights of women, LGBTQ, people of color, and others, because the older generation just can't get used to things changing that quickly. Most of us have older relatives who still use racist and sexist language, or who treat women casually as objects, and it's mostly brushed aside as "just how they are." All that was OK when they were growing up, and they're "too old to change now." That's how I see Joe Biden. He's an elderly uncle who came of age when men touched women as they pleased. They "didn't mean anything by it," of course, it was just "how they were." I think if we accept that Biden is just how he is, and decide that's OK, we're also tacitly accepting that the casual racism or homophobic rhetoric we hear from other members of the older generation are also OK. And I'm not willing to do that. I think that people who grew up in a different era, but want to lead in this one, need to accept and operate within the current norms. And if they're not willing or able to do that, they need to step aside and let someone else lead the way. No way I could have said it any better than you just did.
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Post by pierkiss on Apr 3, 2019 0:39:43 GMT
I’ve tried to get worked up about this, but I’m finding it really difficult. People who are too touchy-feely for you (anyone) are annoying, but that doesn’t make them “inappropriate.” I don’t particularly like being hugged by adults I didn’t give birth to, but I wouldn’t dream of trying to destroy a leading contender for the presidency by complaining about their “inappropriate” hugging/touching, etc. It’s a thinly-disguised attempt to take down an opponent by a supporter of another Democrat. And the more I think about it, the madder I get. I guess I’m with Mika on this one. While I also agree with you that this is likely a response to Biden being a front runner for the Democrats, I disagree about the appropriateness of this degree of familiarity.
Here's the litmus test: if it were Trump doing any of the "Joe being Joe" actions, would you still feel it was okay or that it was the woman's job to either say "no thank you I'm not comfortable" or to push him away?
People, especially those in positions of power, really ought to be cognizant of personal space - most especially because of the misinterpretations that can and often do result. It isn't about it being annoying, it's about it being unwelcome and invasive and intent doesn't really come into it here because unwelcome means exactly that. We have a right to autonomy, period.
FUUUUUUUCK NO it wouldn’t be ok if Trump were doing it. Everyone would be SCREAMING from the rooftops over it. Guarantee it. It is not ok for anyone to behave this way. Don’t touch people uninvited. Shake hands, then let go. Simple.
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Post by carhoch on Apr 3, 2019 1:05:04 GMT
MichyM sasha She knows Mr Biden so well that she’s comfortable putting her hand on him (double standard anyone) and she is a big fan of Bernie and I have no doubt that the Bernie campaign see Biden as a big theat. Attachments:
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 3, 2019 1:59:05 GMT
MichyM sasha She knows Mr Biden so well that she’s comfortable putting her hand on him (double standard anyone) and she is a big fan of Bernie and I have no doubt that the Bernie campaign see Biden as a big theat. I’m sure that’s true but if you think this somehow justifies “Joe being Joe” then...I just don’t know. His actions, well meant or not, are creepy af and there’s no getting around that.
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Post by mom on Apr 3, 2019 2:32:26 GMT
While I also agree with you that this is likely a response to Biden being a front runner for the Democrats, I disagree about the appropriateness of this degree of familiarity.
Here's the litmus test: if it were Trump doing any of the "Joe being Joe" actions, would you still feel it was okay or that it was the woman's job to either say "no thank you I'm not comfortable" or to push him away?
People, especially those in positions of power, really ought to be cognizant of personal space - most especially because of the misinterpretations that can and often do result. It isn't about it being annoying, it's about it being unwelcome and invasive and intent doesn't really come into it here because unwelcome means exactly that. We have a right to autonomy, period.
FUUUUUUUCK NO it wouldn’t be ok if Trump were doing it. Everyone would be SCREAMING from the rooftops over it. Guarantee it. It is not ok for anyone to behave this way. Don’t touch people uninvited. Shake hands, then let go. Simple. This. We teach our toddlers to keep their hands to themselves. Why is it so hard for grown ass men to master this concept?
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Post by scrappinmama on Apr 3, 2019 2:52:43 GMT
I like Joe, although I agree he crosses boundaries when he doesn't respect personal space. But I'm going to be real honest here. I'm voting for the candidate that I believe has the best chance of beating Trump. If Biden were to win the Democratic ticket, you better damn well believe I'm voting for him over Trump. He would make a better president.
With that said, he hasn't even announced that he is running and I doubt that he will now.
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 3, 2019 9:04:38 GMT
I like Joe, although I agree he crosses boundaries when he doesn't respect personal space. But I'm going to be real honest here. I'm voting for the candidate that I believe has the best chance of beating Trump. If Biden were to win the Democratic ticket, you better damn well believe I'm voting for him over Trump. He would make a better president. With that said, he hasn't even announced that he is running and I doubt that he will now. Agree. I do not think that Biden is the best possible candidate-if he runs-but if he is the nominee, I will vote for him. Same with Bernie, although I loathe that old bastard.
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Post by jackie on Apr 3, 2019 12:28:38 GMT
Seriously? Shame on you. You have a daughter. You should be teaching her that NO ONE gets to touch her without her permission. I don't care if it's a touch on the arm, on the head, a hug, or more. No one has the right to touch a person without consent. Not even the vice president or presidential nominee. shame on me nothing. Don't you bring my daughter into this, eff off. I agree with you Yvonne and I think it was low to bring your daughter into this. My understanding is is that these women are NOT claiming sexual assault and that this is not part of the MeToo movement, only that they felt “uncomfortable”. I mean really, that’s what we’ve come to? Everyone has different comfort levels and I’m sure we all feel uncomfortable now and then when we interact with someone whose levels are a little different. As adults, we have to be able to speak up nicely and let people know. They have said they respect and admire Biden and this is how they handle it, speaking out publicly right before his possible run for presidency when it could have been handled privately? I’m someone who has been sexually assaulted and had some pretty terrible things happen to me in my past, so I have all the sympathy in the world for a woman (or man) who has went through anything like that, but not this. And now we have people actually speaking about this in the same breath as Polanski’s rape of a 13-year-old? Are you effing serious? How about shame on that person fgs? This has truly jumped the shark and this feeding frenzy has done some serious damage in my opinion to the movement and to the reputation of a very good man. And if you want to tell me shame on me or bring my daughter into this, go right ahead. I’m a feminist who has raised feminists (or really just humanists), which does not mean I have to agree with and support every damn thing that comes out of a woman’s mouth. I get to decide for myself how I feel about things. And can we talk about the pics where it was perfectly okay for Bernie (whom I love too, so no shade there) to have his hands on her or for her to have her hands on Joe? Smh
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Post by oh yvonne on Apr 3, 2019 14:00:46 GMT
thank you jackie. Even after I told her to stop she continued. She's blocked now, I don't have time for assholes. And ditto everything you said about this situation. People have lost their damn minds.
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Post by sasha on Apr 3, 2019 14:21:07 GMT
shame on me nothing. Don't you bring my daughter into this, eff off. I agree with you Yvonne and I think it was low to bring your daughter into this. My understanding is is that these women are NOT claiming sexual assault and that this is not part of the MeToo movement, only that they felt “uncomfortable”. I mean really, that’s what we’ve come to? Everyone has different comfort levels and I’m sure we all feel uncomfortable now and then when we interact with someone whose levels are a little different. As adults, we have to be able to speak up nicely and let people know. They have said they respect and admire Biden and this is how they handle it, speaking out publicly right before his possible run for presidency when it could have been handled privately? I’m someone who has been sexually assaulted and had some pretty terrible things happen to me in my past, so I have all the sympathy in the world for a woman (or man) who has went through anything like that, but not this. And now we have people actually speaking about this in the same breath as Polanski’s rape of a 13-year-old? Are you effing serious? How about shame on that person fgs? This has truly jumped the shark and this feeding frenzy has done some serious damage in my opinion to the movement and to the reputation of a very good man. And if you want to tell me shame on me or bring my daughter into this, go right ahead. I’m a feminist who has raised feminists (or really just humanists), which does not mean I have to agree with and support every damn thing that comes out of a woman’s mouth. I get to decide for myself how I feel about things. And can we talk about the pics where it was perfectly okay for Bernie (whom I love too, so no shade there) to have his hands on her or for her to have her hands on Joe? Smh I'm sure the Polanski comment wasn't directed to me, but I did have Polanski in this message, so let me just address it. My point wasn't to compare the two as being equal events or even close. It was just a side note that I shouldn't be surprised that Whoopi is telling Joe to keep on sniffing hair and invading personal space since she coined the term "it wasn't rape-rape." On the last bolded note, I do think there's a big difference in what can be affectionate and what is creepy. I'm sure none of the women who complained would have cared that Biden had their hands on their shoulders or gave them a hug. It's the kissing of the back of the head and the smelling of the hair that made them uneasy. There's a reporter on Jezebel, which as you know is a liberal site, who talked about him running his fingers through her hair and it made her very uncomfortable. theslot.jezebel.com/the-familiar-denials-about-joe-biden-1833743748#_ga=2.208415061.638331730.1554239284-2146500358.1545450461Haven't you ever had someone shake your hand and sort of creep you out by how long they shook your hand yet you've shook hands with other men and didn't have the same reaction? Or a hug that lasted too long? That doesn't mean you don't like any affection from people you admire with a handshake or a hug, but some people can amp up the creep factor and make you feel uncomfortable. With Joe, he apparently tends to get into the personal space frequently with the hair thing. Also the article I linked talks about another Amy Lappos who said at a political fundraiser in 2009, Biden “put his hand around my neck and pulled me in to rub noses with me.” So Bernie placing a hand on shoulders or any of the politicians that hug does not seem creepy. But rubbing noses, kissing the back of your head, running fingers through your hair. That's creepy. I do agree with your points that public shaming over this was unnecessary unless he's already been told by many that he goes too far and it hasn't stopped.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 3, 2019 14:41:33 GMT
I agree with you. And honestly, this goes to the heart of my objections about another old man in the White House. The world is changing rapidly. Social mores and expectations around how we treat each other have undergone a rapid transformation even in the past decade. Those of us who have, shall we say, moved with the times, have frequently been told to slow down, that we're changing too rapidly for the older people who have a harder time with change. That we have to accept baby steps in the rights of women, LGBTQ, people of color, and others, because the older generation just can't get used to things changing that quickly. Most of us have older relatives who still use racist and sexist language, or who treat women casually as objects, and it's mostly brushed aside as "just how they are." All that was OK when they were growing up, and they're "too old to change now." That's how I see Joe Biden. He's an elderly uncle who came of age when men touched women as they pleased. They "didn't mean anything by it," of course, it was just "how they were." I think if we accept that Biden is just how he is, and decide that's OK, we're also tacitly accepting that the casual racism or homophobic rhetoric we hear from other members of the older generation are also OK. And I'm not willing to do that. I think that people who grew up in a different era, but want to lead in this one, need to accept and operate within the current norms. And if they're not willing or able to do that, they need to step aside and let someone else lead the way. Biden probably isn't intending to be skeevy... but in my opinion, his 'affectionate' ways of acting towards women (never men) is out-of-date, old-fashioned, and frankly, unprofessional-- definitely inappropriate in a professional setting, at the very least. Being that affectionate towards a woman who happens to be a personal friend in a personal setting? fine. Being that affectionate in a professional setting (which is what he's doing, if he's out in public acting in some sort of official capacity as an 'almost candidate' ) is totally not appropriate. In my opinion, it's also not professional or appropriate to act that way with ANYONE you've just barely met. ALL people, regardless of gender, should be worthy of respect enough to respect personal space boundaries, at least until you get to know them enough to learn what their personal space boundaries ARE. ETA: this issue of respecting personal space boundaries and acting professionally goes for Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, and anyone else who is out public in a professional capacity.
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Post by dewryce on Apr 3, 2019 15:07:11 GMT
To me, lightly placing their hands on shoulders for photos is one thing, as long as when told that some people aren’t comfortable with that they respond appropriately. But the video of his hands on her face skeeves me out. Even if his intent is not predatory or sexual, once it is brought to his attention he needs to respect those boundaries and learn from it.
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 3, 2019 15:46:36 GMT
Two more women...
And this from Joe himself during the Kavanaugh hearings:
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