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Post by Zee on Apr 10, 2019 15:42:45 GMT
Is it a low-income clinic that charges a sliding scale fee? If so, that's exactly who i want to be getting care for free. Poor children. It says a lot about a society in how they treat their poor.
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Post by Peace Sign on Apr 10, 2019 15:45:23 GMT
the crises can be found in our schools, our infrastructure, our government who does nothing except undo other people's policies and investigate each other, our homeless, our poverty-stricken. we are the richest country in the world. if the president and congress were our CEO and CFO, they'd be fired for poor performance.
trump is doing nothing but pandering for more votes. it's beyond ridiculous and disgusting.
i'd love to see him and his stupid family go live in venezuela for a month. or personally speak to some of the people coming into the country.
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Post by pierkiss on Apr 10, 2019 15:45:40 GMT
I am curious how nurses know who is and who is not paying? She knows the person working the front desk. Isn’t the billing department seperate from the front desk? The last time my kid was treated at Children’s National the only thing we saw the front desk person for was registration and directions to the appropriate floor and wing of the hospital. The front desk guy had no bearing on or need to access billing at all. And even then when we got to the correct area and visited that desk, it was just registration again. No financials. Even in the regular hospital (like the last time I visited our local Er) the billing lady was seperate from the front desk. Completely different departments. I find it hard to believe that at your friend’s large children’s hospital the billing person/people are the same as the front desk people. If they are, I feel terrible for them because they must be extremely overworked if they cannot staff a billing department and a front desk/registration department. But I am calling bullshit on this information. Either this nurse is completely making up that 90% figure or she is digging around in financial information that she probably shouldn’t be. And if she is she should be fired for violating the patients privacy.
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Post by pierkiss on Apr 10, 2019 15:47:02 GMT
That sounds like a HIPAA violation. Not if she's not disclosing protected/identifying health information. But certainly it's frowned upon and probably an employer policy violation to tell others that 90% of those patients don't pay and they're Hispanic and Arabic. I thought you could violate HIPAA by looking into records that don’t concern your actual patients though? Wouldn’t this person have to be doing that to get this information? Sorry for all the posts. This sort of thing infuriates me to no end.
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Post by Peace Sign on Apr 10, 2019 15:50:42 GMT
I have a nurse friend who works for a large children's hospital clinic. 90% of the children they see have parents who are NOT paying for the services they receive and yes, most are Hispanic and Arabic. So yes, there is a crisis, because we are all paying to fund illegals who are not contributing. (I realize there are also many legals who don't contribute.) I think everyone should have to legally be in this country and along with every country in the world. The breakdown of the immigration system is what needs to be fixed - it has failed. I also think that people should be drug tested before they receive welfare, etc. Something has to change. the notion that all people on welfare are on drugs is ridiculous and elitist. they are not. and shame on you for believing this. also, who do you think "clinics" were built for? those with jobs and insurance? no. also, hispanic and arabic people aren't necessarily ILLEGALs. people are not illegal. it's silly that a person who happens to be president can say ANYTHING and his crowd goes wild. sheep.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 10, 2019 15:50:48 GMT
I am curious what drug people are using that is causing them to fail the drug test? Weed? Freaking legalize it already. Such a stupid thing to not hire someone for. Even if weed is legalized you STILL can’t operate equipment while high. The issue is traces of weed stay in your blood long after your high. So ‘weed, just legalized it already’ won’t solve the problem of people failing drug tests If weed is going to be legalized then they need to invent/discover a better tests. Weekend weed smoker will still fail a drug test during the week, but be ‘sober’ With the test, they can’t tell the difference from the person lighting up in the bathroom at work & then going to operate equipment & the sober person who vaped THC last week on vacation. Agreed. However, I don’t think weed is the biggest issue out there, I think rampant opioid addiction is. This article in FORBES was pretty interesting, it compares the states with the most and least drug problems. And coming from a family with multiple addicts of various types, I wouldn’t want anyone working with me, for me or on me if they’re high on anything, even “just weed”. Nor do I want them out driving around while stoned.
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Post by Zee on Apr 10, 2019 15:50:49 GMT
Not if she's not disclosing protected/identifying health information. But certainly it's frowned upon and probably an employer policy violation to tell others that 90% of those patients don't pay and they're Hispanic and Arabic. I thought you could violate HIPAA by looking into records that don’t concern your actual patients though? Wouldn’t this person have to be doing that to get this information? Sorry for all the posts. This sort of thing infuriates me to no end. I'm going to assume that this front desk person takes payments and can see past due accounts. That's giving her the benefit of the doubt that she's not actually looking where she's not supposed to. This also could be a low income clinic where they charge a sliding scale fee up front, and some people don't pay according to whatever guidelines they have set up. As she's checking them in she can see the fees, etc. I'm being generous here.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 10, 2019 15:52:43 GMT
I have a nurse friend who works for a large children's hospital clinic. 90% of the children they see have parents who are NOT paying for the services they receive and yes, most are Hispanic and Arabic. So yes, there is a crisis, because we are all paying to fund illegals who are not contributing. (I realize there are also many legals who don't contribute.) I think everyone should have to legally be in this country and along with every country in the world. The breakdown of the immigration system is what needs to be fixed - it has failed. I also think that people should be drug tested before they receive welfare, etc. Something has to change. And besides what everyone else brought up ... your “illegals” (ugh, such an ugly term) do pay taxes. Are they renting a home? They’re paying property taxes indirectly through the landlord. Do they buy things? Sales tax. Gas up that truck? More taxes. Some are paying payroll taxes. If they’re working but not paying payroll taxes, go talk to their crooked American bosses, please. And also, I know of American citizens (white!) who work for cash under the table, to avoid paying taxes or child support. Where is the outrage? Why do we save it for the people who pick our lettuce?
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 10, 2019 15:57:17 GMT
She knows the person working the front desk. Isn’t the billing department seperate from the front desk? The last time my kid was treated at Children’s National the only thing we saw the front desk person for was registration and directions to the appropriate floor and wing of the hospital. The front desk guy had no bearing on or need to access billing at all. And even then when we got to the correct area and visited that desk, it was just registration again. No financials. Even in the regular hospital (like the last time I visited our local Er) the billing lady was seperate from the front desk. Completely different departments. I find it hard to believe that at your friend’s large children’s hospital the billing person/people are the same as the front desk people. If they are, I feel terrible for them because they must be extremely overworked if they cannot staff a billing department and a front desk/registration department. But I am calling bullshit on this information. Either this nurse is completely making up that 90% figure or she is digging around in financial information that she probably shouldn’t be. And if she is she should be fired for violating the patients privacy. What makes me SMH is that there have been times when I have actually ASKED people at the front desk what a procedure or visit will cost and they can’t even tell me directly because they don’t know! We have insurance but until the huge deductible is paid it all ends up coming out of my pocket, so I want to know. Half the time they don’t even ask me to pay my co-pay up front, they just bill me for it.
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Post by pyccku on Apr 10, 2019 16:05:15 GMT
So here's a good story:
DS has Medicaid. He has a bunch of dental work to be done, and since he's under 21, Medicaid will cover it. We have regular insurance too, but the coverage is much worse than what Medicaid will cover.
We went in for some fillings a couple of weeks ago and there was another guy there getting treated. White guy - in a clinic that sees mostly Hispanic patients, one of the very few dentists that accept medicaid in the area. So he's there getting his cheap/free treatment but when they give him the paperwork to fill out he LOST HIS SHIT. They were asking him all sorts of questions about his ethnicity, pronoun preference, which language he preferred to use, etc. He started yelling at the receptionist that the questions were "F%%ing retarded" and telling her wasn't filling it out. She explained that since the government was paying for the treatment, they needed the information to make sure that there was no discrimination, etc. going on. He didn't care - it was just too retarded for him to fill out.
I'm sitting there thinking he's probably the type who talks about how "the illegals" were taking all of his tax dollars and that they were somehow inferior to him - yet here he was, getting his free/cheap government-provided dental care.
Sorry, dude...you're no better or worse than anyone else.
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Post by gryroagain on Apr 10, 2019 16:07:50 GMT
I heard a wonderful “This American Life” that addressed the issue of the border. How for a century there was an economic migrancy that served both sides well. People lived in Mexico, they worked in the US (and we need them, make no mistake). Then we tightened security and lo and behold it’s a shit show.
I think the theme was unintended consequences. I’ll try to find it.
A border is an arbitrary thing. Terrorism on our southern border has never been a thing. Millions of people live there. The US fingers in the Central American pie are real and an influence.
A wall is a kindergartners answer to a complex problem...but that is who we elected apparently.
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Post by femalebusiness on Apr 10, 2019 16:12:50 GMT
I am curious what drug people are using that is causing them to fail the drug test? Weed? Freaking legalize it already. Such a stupid thing to not hire someone for. No. Even when they legalize weed you will still not be able to work while under the influence. My understanding is it will be regulated the same way alcohol is. Meaning you can’t come to work drunk, operate and drive heavy machinery while drunk. And you absolutely shouldn’t be able to work while stoned. I believe our representatives should have to blow into a breathalyzer every time they enter the building, morning and especially after lunch. That would solve a lot of the incompetency problems that we have with those who are supposed to be running this country. I'd love to know who the drunks in congress are. Why on earth should we not drug and alcohol test our representatives and president, but instead test those with jobs that don't affect the entire population of the country? I don't like hypocrisy and not holding our congress and president to the same standards as the rest of the population is unacceptable to me.
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Post by sabrinae on Apr 10, 2019 16:16:53 GMT
I am curious what drug people are using that is causing them to fail the drug test? Weed? Freaking legalize it already. Such a stupid thing to not hire someone for. Opiates and meth.
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 10, 2019 16:18:20 GMT
My favorite -- if you think immigrants are taking our jobs and also believe they are rapist and drug dealers - WTF job do you do? lol.ITA with everything you've said. When I was back home visiting my parents in a small rural town in Nebraska, I kept hearing about how businesses couldn't get workers at all. I told them it sounds like they need some immigrants to come in and do the work. don't forget they are also taking our jobs while simultaneously living off American's benefits all the while sitting on their backsides. Yeah, it’s like all their favorite alien stereotypes wrapped up in a nice neat package. 😐 As an aside I can’t even begin to say how much I hate the use of the word alien, relating to any kind of immigrant.
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 10, 2019 16:30:57 GMT
Why aren't we properly staffing the agencies and courts set up to deal with asylum seekers? Why aren't we supporting the humanitarian agencies trying to help with the very real humanitarian crisis at our border and throughout Central America? Why are we continuing to pursue policies to destabilize Central American and reduce aid to the populations that are fleeing their desperate circumstances? Why are we still funding and training right wing militias and police squads in Central America? Are we doing anything to make legal immigration a legitimate possibility for the people seeking a better life? Are we considering whether the war on drugs has enriched and empowered cartels that terrorize people in their communities and continuously results in criminals and criminal activity coming to our border communities? Why are we prosecuting the humanitarian activists setting out food and water in the deserts to try to save the lives of those poor people taken advantage of and/or abandoned by the evil coyotes the President likes to ramble on ignorantly about? I'm sick to death of stupid platitudes about "illegals" and people so bizarrely focused on their apparent innate superiority because of where their dad happened to fertilize their mom and the happy accident of their birth on the right side of an arbitrary and imaginary line drawn in the desert dust. As if someone is somehow entitled to more basic human decency because he lucked out and was born in Tuscaloosa but that kid born in San Salvador should just suck it up and be happy with eating garbage scraps and definitely should have the moral fortitude not to join the gang that threatens to rape his sister if he doesn't toe the line. Our immigration policy is obscene and our broken Congress bears 100% of the responsibility for that. The rhetoric coming out of this White House and the Republican party right now is flat on monstrous and I'm done pretending to be nice and understanding of the point of view of people who play on subconscious racism to stoke fear and and hatred of other people who are every bit as equal and entitled to basic human rights as the person getting punch drunk on a constant diet of Fox News and Breitbart. He’s actually actively removing staff from overseas USCIS posts that are places where people can request asylum there, or file for refugee status. They are the *wrong* kinds of immigrants, though, according to these people.🤨
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 10, 2019 16:38:59 GMT
Not if she's not disclosing protected/identifying health information. But certainly it's frowned upon and probably an employer policy violation to tell others that 90% of those patients don't pay and they're Hispanic and Arabic. I thought you could violate HIPAA by looking into records that don’t concern your actual patients though? Wouldn’t this person have to be doing that to get this information? Sorry for all the posts. This sort of thing infuriates me to no end. I’m not 100% sure about it being a specific HIPAA violation as Z is right about it not being PHI, but it’s certainly against company policy at my company, and it would lead to immediate termination, if caught.
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Post by inkedup on Apr 10, 2019 16:54:03 GMT
I am curious how nurses know who is and who is not paying? She knows the person working the front desk. Wow. What an interesting hospital your friend must work at. Her source must be a very important 'front desk' employee that they trust her with social security numbers and billing information. When I was in high school, I volunteered at our local hospital. All my lowly self was allowed to do was check people in and tell them where to go. Not even my supervisor, an actual adult, could access treatment or financial information. When I gave gave birth or visited the hospital due to miscarriage, the "front desk person" again helped check me in (for non-ER visits) but had no way to access my medical records (at least that I what I was told). How impressive that your nurse friend's very powerful admin friend not only sees the financial information for every CHILD patient of the hospital she works for, but that she can also see their immigration status, too. This sounds totally fact based and not at all biased. You said 90% are Hispanic or Arab "illegals." I presume the other 10% are "legals?" But they're probably babies that belong to welfare queens who show up for free health care in their Ferarris, amirite?
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Post by missmiss on Apr 10, 2019 16:55:42 GMT
I am curious what drug people are using that is causing them to fail the drug test? Weed? Freaking legalize it already. Such a stupid thing to not hire someone for. Opiates and meth. Not good!
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Post by prapea on Apr 10, 2019 16:58:12 GMT
I am brown and I am a citizen of this country.
I know someone who is white, blonde haired, blue eyed and is not a citizen of this country.
Reading some of the replies here, I think some of you will think I am an “illegal” if you saw me on the street and think that white person is a “legal” and is paying for my insurance.
(I am going to be judgmental here for a second with my next sentence)
Guess what though - my taxes are paying for free state insurance (arizona has ahccs) for my friend’s sister and her husband and their 6 kids while they refuse to work (no health issues), refuse to vaccinate their youngest child and are pregnant again. So STFU with border crisis drama.
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Post by missmiss on Apr 10, 2019 17:00:04 GMT
No. Even when they legalize weed you will still not be able to work while under the influence. My understanding is it will be regulated the same way alcohol is. Meaning you can’t come to work drunk, operate and drive heavy machinery while drunk. And you absolutely shouldn’t be able to work while stoned. I believe our representatives should have to blow into a breathalyzer every time they enter the building, morning and especially after lunch. That would solve a lot of the incompetency problems that we have with those who are supposed to be running this country. I'd love to know who the drunks in congress are. Why on earth should we not drug and alcohol test our representatives and president, but instead test those with jobs that don't affect the entire population of the country? I don't like hypocrisy and not holding our congress and president to the same standards as the rest of the population is unacceptable to me. Yeah it amazes me that people get drug tested to work at a grocery store, gas stations, and other jobs that require no education. Yet teacher jobs (at least where I work), our government employees, and other jobs no drug testing. Makes total sense to me.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 10, 2019 17:05:10 GMT
So here's a good story: DS has Medicaid. He has a bunch of dental work to be done, and since he's under 21, Medicaid will cover it. We have regular insurance too, but the coverage is much worse than what Medicaid will cover. We went in for some fillings a couple of weeks ago and there was another guy there getting treated. White guy - in a clinic that sees mostly Hispanic patients, one of the very few dentists that accept medicaid in the area. So he's there getting his cheap/free treatment but when they give him the paperwork to fill out he LOST HIS SHIT. They were asking him all sorts of questions about his ethnicity, pronoun preference, which language he preferred to use, etc. He started yelling at the receptionist that the questions were "F%%ing retarded" and telling her wasn't filling it out. She explained that since the government was paying for the treatment, they needed the information to make sure that there was no discrimination, etc. going on. He didn't care - it was just too retarded for him to fill out. I'm sitting there thinking he's probably the type who talks about how "the illegals" were taking all of his tax dollars and that they were somehow inferior to him - yet here he was, getting his free/cheap government-provided dental care. Sorry, dude...you're no better or worse than anyone else. It’s possible he can not read. Sometimes people who can’t read explode when asked to fill out long forms. It’s also possible he is just an ass. Either or.
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Post by papersilly on Apr 10, 2019 17:09:16 GMT
i don't know about other areas but undocumented people are some of the hardest working people i have ever seen. they will do the jobs that others think they are too good to do. they work long hours for little pay that they are often exploited for. they are kind and helpful. they have strong family values and don't draw unwanted attention to themselves. they want to remain in the shadows because they know their presence here is precarious. they only go to the doctor when it's absolutely necessary because they are intimidated by the questions and paperwork.
i would rather deal with the undocumented any day instead of the citizens who don't want to work and feel they are entitled to just draw public benefits.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 17:16:03 GMT
At my office visits I pay a copay at reception. I would assume the person at the desk would have access to my insurance info.
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Post by Sarah*H on Apr 10, 2019 17:18:46 GMT
And you'd be cool with her sharing that information to denigrate you and speculating about your nationality and immigration with Ms. Nosy Nurse?
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Post by inkedup on Apr 10, 2019 17:18:53 GMT
At my office visits I pay a copay at reception. I would assume the person at the desk would have access to my insurance info. Doctor's offices are not hospitals. Every hospital I have been in recently had a separate billing department that handled financial information. Every hospital my mother was ever in (and there were many) had a separate billing department that handled financial information. And I don't think anyone had access to my mother's immigration status.
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Post by Merge on Apr 10, 2019 17:20:15 GMT
I believe our representatives should have to blow into a breathalyzer every time they enter the building, morning and especially after lunch. That would solve a lot of the incompetency problems that we have with those who are supposed to be running this country. I'd love to know who the drunks in congress are. Why on earth should we not drug and alcohol test our representatives and president, but instead test those with jobs that don't affect the entire population of the country? I don't like hypocrisy and not holding our congress and president to the same standards as the rest of the population is unacceptable to me. Yeah it amazes me that people get drug tested to work at a grocery store, gas stations, and other jobs that require no education. Yet teacher jobs (at least where I work), our government employees, and other jobs no drug testing. Makes total sense to me. I've had to pass drug tests to get my teaching license, to be hired in my old district, and to be hired at my current school. My husband, who is an executive in the energy industry, is also subject to drug testing.
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Post by tentoes on Apr 10, 2019 17:23:55 GMT
Yeah it amazes me that people get drug tested to work at a grocery store, gas stations, and other jobs that require no education. Yet teacher jobs (at least where I work), our government employees, and other jobs no drug testing. Makes total sense to me. I don't know where you received your information on the bolded part. My husband and son both are drug tested periodically. People are excorted right out of the facility if they test positive. Maybe that isn't country wide procedure, but it is where they have worked. Both work or worked for the government.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 17:25:27 GMT
And you'd be cool with her sharing that information to denigrate you and speculating about your nationality and immigration with Ms. Nosy Nurse? How would I know? And who cares what they think? And do you honestly think this is an isolated incident?
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Post by missmiss on Apr 10, 2019 17:34:53 GMT
Yeah it amazes me that people get drug tested to work at a grocery store, gas stations, and other jobs that require no education. Yet teacher jobs (at least where I work), our government employees, and other jobs no drug testing. Makes total sense to me. I've had to pass drug tests to get my teaching license, to be hired in my old district, and to be hired at my current school. My husband, who is an executive in the energy industry, is also subject to drug testing. Yep but others do not. I teach no drug test. I know others no drug test. But you are right some do and some don't. But I do remember getting my job at the grocery store drug test. Getting my job at a farm store drug test.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 17:41:01 GMT
One can dislike trump and separately like or dislike his policies.
In this case, he has created a crisis at the Southern Border at the same time things have worsened in Central American that has resulted in more migrants seeking asylum in the United States. The two together have caused chaos at the Southern Border. I’m sure his changes at the top at Homeland Security will makes things even worse then they already are, if that is even possible.
And that is what trump wants. Make no mistake about that.
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