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Post by hop2 on Apr 10, 2019 22:40:15 GMT
And besides what everyone else brought up ... your “illegals” (ugh, such an ugly term) do pay taxes. Are they renting a home? They’re paying property taxes indirectly through the landlord. Do they buy things? Sales tax. Gas up that truck? More taxes. Some are paying payroll taxes. If they’re working but not paying payroll taxes, go talk to their crooked American bosses, please. And also, I know of American citizens (white!) who work for cash under the table, to avoid paying taxes or child support. Where is the outrage? Why do we save it for the people who pick our lettuce? It’s really hypocrisy because who does Trump think cleans his hotels and towers, builds his buildings, processes the food that lands on his table, trims the trees and mows the acres of turf on his golf courses, washes the dishes at Mar-a-Lago, on and on? Anyone who thinks that undocumented immigrants are not integral to the US economy is fooling himself. In 2016 alone, these people contributed $13 BILLION to the Social Security trust fund, the benefits of which they won’t ever see AND $3 BILLION to Medicare. State and local taxes they paid are reported to be over $10 BILLION. I live in Chicago, one of the largest cities that house undocumented workers. Due to the great recession in 2008 and the fear of heightened deportations in 2017 and 2018, this workforce has been reduced to unprecedented levels. Now, I know I’m only speaking of one city here but Chicago is the third largest in the U.S. We depend on this undocumented workforce so much, not only for the labor but for the tax revenue and their spending, that if the downward trend continues, it’ll be a huge economic blow not just to Chicago but to the entire state of Illinois. Some people don’t seem to realize how devastating this could be to many industries – manufacturing, agriculture, construction, foodservice, leisure and hospitality, and many others. Any serious policies to immigration reform has to take that and the above into serious consideration because this country might be sorry it got what it asked for when it voted for Trump. Elections have consequences Elections ARE about more than ‘judges’, ‘Roe v Wade’ & ‘we won so there - deal with it’
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Post by teacherlisa on Apr 10, 2019 23:08:25 GMT
It’s really hypocrisy because who does Trump think cleans his hotels and towers, builds his buildings, processes the food that lands on his table, trims the trees and mows the acres of turf on his golf courses, washes the dishes at Mar-a-Lago, on and on? Anyone who thinks that undocumented immigrants are not integral to the US economy is fooling himself. In 2016 alone, these people contributed $13 BILLION to the Social Security trust fund, the benefits of which they won’t ever see AND $3 BILLION to Medicare. State and local taxes they paid are reported to be over $10 BILLION. I live in Chicago, one of the largest cities that house undocumented workers. Due to the great recession in 2008 and the fear of heightened deportations in 2017 and 2018, this workforce has been reduced to unprecedented levels. Now, I know I’m only speaking of one city here but Chicago is the third largest in the U.S. We depend on this undocumented workforce so much, not only for the labor but for the tax revenue and their spending, that if the downward trend continues, it’ll be a huge economic blow not just to Chicago but to the entire state of Illinois. Some people don’t seem to realize how devastating this could be to many industries – manufacturing, agriculture, construction, foodservice, leisure and hospitality, and many others. Any serious policies to immigration reform has to take that and the above into serious consideration because this country might be sorry it got what it asked for when it voted for Trump. Can someone explain this to me please? If they are undocumented, with no social security number, how are they contributing to social security and medicare? I thought it was illegal to hire undocumented workers. I thought most were paid in cash. well, this brings up another problem, many obtain false documents, belonging to real people and use them. I have several friends, and have taken reports at work (police department) where their ID's have been used and they find out at tax time when the IRS believes they are working two jobs.
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 10, 2019 23:21:47 GMT
It’s really hypocrisy because who does Trump think cleans his hotels and towers, builds his buildings, processes the food that lands on his table, trims the trees and mows the acres of turf on his golf courses, washes the dishes at Mar-a-Lago, on and on? Anyone who thinks that undocumented immigrants are not integral to the US economy is fooling himself. In 2016 alone, these people contributed $13 BILLION to the Social Security trust fund, the benefits of which they won’t ever see AND $3 BILLION to Medicare. State and local taxes they paid are reported to be over $10 BILLION. I live in Chicago, one of the largest cities that house undocumented workers. Due to the great recession in 2008 and the fear of heightened deportations in 2017 and 2018, this workforce has been reduced to unprecedented levels. Now, I know I’m only speaking of one city here but Chicago is the third largest in the U.S. We depend on this undocumented workforce so much, not only for the labor but for the tax revenue and their spending, that if the downward trend continues, it’ll be a huge economic blow not just to Chicago but to the entire state of Illinois. Some people don’t seem to realize how devastating this could be to many industries – manufacturing, agriculture, construction, foodservice, leisure and hospitality, and many others. Any serious policies to immigration reform has to take that and the above into serious consideration because this country might be sorry it got what it asked for when it voted for Trump. Can someone explain this to me please? If they are undocumented, with no social security number, how are they contributing to social security and medicare? I thought it was illegal to hire undocumented workers. I thought most were paid in cash. You can pay taxes under an individual tax identification number, not only a social security number.
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Post by katybee on Apr 10, 2019 23:30:01 GMT
I am curious what drug people are using that is causing them to fail the drug test? Weed? Freaking legalize it already. Such a stupid thing to not hire someone for. Opiates and meth. I mean...that’s all Mexico’s fault, too.... right?
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Post by jemmls4 on Apr 10, 2019 23:35:41 GMT
I don’t think there’s a “crisis”. People aren’t illegal. Let them in. We have enough to share. I think Trump’s narrative on immigration and refugees is appalling and clearly fueled by racism.
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Post by lizacreates on Apr 10, 2019 23:57:23 GMT
Can someone explain this to me please? If they are undocumented, with no social security number, how are they contributing to social security and medicare? I thought it was illegal to hire undocumented workers. I thought most were paid in cash. well, this brings up another problem, many obtain false documents, belonging to real people and use them. I have several friends, and have taken reports at work (police department) where their ID's have been used and they find out at tax time when the IRS believes they are working two jobs. That’s why it makes more sense to give or even sell them working visas so we can stop criminalizing their presence and legitimize them. The working visa doesn’t have to be permanent. It can be for a certain period of time and renewal of it can be predicated on proof of employment. It makes absolutely no sense that the US is just fine taking their contributions to the system but regard them as illegal aliens.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Apr 11, 2019 1:04:22 GMT
It’s really hypocrisy because who does Trump think cleans his hotels and towers, builds his buildings, processes the food that lands on his table, trims the trees and mows the acres of turf on his golf courses, washes the dishes at Mar-a-Lago, on and on? Anyone who thinks that undocumented immigrants are not integral to the US economy is fooling himself. In 2016 alone, these people contributed $13 BILLION to the Social Security trust fund, the benefits of which they won’t ever see AND $3 BILLION to Medicare. State and local taxes they paid are reported to be over $10 BILLION. I live in Chicago, one of the largest cities that house undocumented workers. Due to the great recession in 2008 and the fear of heightened deportations in 2017 and 2018, this workforce has been reduced to unprecedented levels. Now, I know I’m only speaking of one city here but Chicago is the third largest in the U.S. We depend on this undocumented workforce so much, not only for the labor but for the tax revenue and their spending, that if the downward trend continues, it’ll be a huge economic blow not just to Chicago but to the entire state of Illinois. Some people don’t seem to realize how devastating this could be to many industries – manufacturing, agriculture, construction, foodservice, leisure and hospitality, and many others. Any serious policies to immigration reform has to take that and the above into serious consideration because this country might be sorry it got what it asked for when it voted for Trump. Can someone explain this to me please? If they are undocumented, with no social security number, how are they contributing to social security and medicare? I thought it was illegal to hire undocumented workers. I thought most were paid in cash. This article explains it well. There are numerous pieces I've read and podcasts I've listened to that have talked about these numbers. Also, undocumented immigrants pay sales tax and indirectly property taxes. And income taxes as well. www.marketplace.org/2019/01/28/economy/undocumented-immigrants-quietly-pay-billions-social-security-and-receive-noAnd this is just undocumented workers. Legal immigrants here on work visas also pay into the systems and will never collect any benefit unless they become citizens (which is becoming harder and harder to do). As much lip service as people say to "come here legally", this administration wants to limit even legal immigration. Immigrants are vital to our country in so many ways. If we continue down this path, there will be long term consequences.
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Post by freebird on Apr 11, 2019 1:08:13 GMT
We went to Paris/London/Amsterdam (that one unplanned) this past year. What I found amazing was when we crossed the border, there was tons of security, razor wire, high fences, men with machine guns. Between countries that get along reasonably well. Yet that's ok.
We try to do that here and we're horrible human beings.
I'm not against immigration, come, please do. I want you here. One of my husband's good friends is a legal mexican that came here when he was a teen.... LEGALLY. Runs his own business in Idaho now with his brother. *Illegal* immigration even pisses off him.
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Post by tduby1 on Apr 11, 2019 1:14:54 GMT
What is the alternative? "I'm sorry, your parents are too poor for you to be sick. It's quite sad but that's just the way it is." Charles Dickens would feel right at home in modern day America. Also, the term "illegals" is absolutely awful. That they apparently share and discuss this information between each other is unethical and immoral. That they then gossip about it with uninvolved third parties and share anecdote as though it proves some underlying fact is even worse. Of course they should receive treatment. Where did I say they shouldn't??? I'm talking about how the bills are paid. Please tell me what term I should be using to be politically correct?? It is not unethical to generally discuss the runnings of the office. I'm pretty sure they are not naming names to each other, and she definintely isn't to me. My friend is venting. It's very frustrating for her. Why is it frustrating? I worked a job (right up until last week), where I was privy to how people’s care was being paid and I can not think of one time anyone’s source of pay or original home frustrated me. You know why, because it wasn’t my job to pass judgement. My job was to collect the information and make sure it was in their chart. Period. Her job is to provide care, not pass judgement. If she focused on her job, she wouldn’t have time to worry and gossip about other’s financial and residency situations. Frankly, with her being so “frustrated” and biased, I don’t see how she can possibly be able to offer adequate care anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 1:20:43 GMT
OP? How do you feel about the answers to your question? Astonished. To me it is absolutely clear that we have a massive border crisis. Not only are Trump's people saying so, but so are some officials who served under Obama. aka - "I don't care what information/evidence people put forth to argue my beliefs, I believe my beliefs."
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Post by tduby1 on Apr 11, 2019 1:20:47 GMT
She knows the person working the front desk. That sounds like a HIPAA violation. Not a HIPAA violation in the technical and legal sense but certainly a sign that the nurse is not a vey compassionate person and probably in the wrong field. Also, the “front desk” person is not a discreet personand again, not a good fit for front desk duties. These two issues alone, would make me question the quality of care provided at this particular hospital.
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Post by tduby1 on Apr 11, 2019 1:22:26 GMT
That sounds like a HIPAA violation. Not if she's not disclosing protected/identifying health information. But certainly it's frowned upon and probably an employer policy violation to tell others that 90% of those patients don't pay and they're Hispanic and Arabic. I would assume an HR issue as well.
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Post by sabrinae on Apr 11, 2019 1:26:33 GMT
I mean...that’s all Mexico’s fault, too.... right? Of course it is. But seriously, the U.S is in the midst of an opiate crisis that is costing millions of dollars just in the need for additional law enforcement and judicial costs. At a guess, I would say 85-90 percent of cases coming through my office are drug related either directly or people are committing offenses to support their habit. We’re also increasingly seeing really bad reactions to use either because the drugs are cut with other substances or are just so much stronger. Death rates from overdoses are also up drastically. As crackdowns have occurred on opiates people have moved to meth and then back to heroin. There are not nearly enough treatment options for people. If people want to focus on a crisis, they can focus on the very real crisis that is killing large number of our population right now. The drugs are only coming into the country because of the demand for them from people here.
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Post by tduby1 on Apr 11, 2019 1:30:25 GMT
At my office visits I pay a copay at reception. I would assume the person at the desk would have access to my insurance info. “Large children hospitals” and drs offices don’t generally work the same way, though.
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Post by Merge on Apr 11, 2019 1:34:38 GMT
We went to Paris/London/Amsterdam (that one unplanned) this past year. What I found amazing was when we crossed the border, there was tons of security, razor wire, high fences, men with machine guns. Between countries that get along reasonably well. Yet that's ok. Where did you cross and saw all that? We crossed from Paris through Belgium to Amsterdam by train and never saw anything like that. Showed our passports to the airport guy in Paris and again to the woman in the kiosk at the train station in Amsterdam. Stamp, enjoy your stay, done. No barbed wire and no guns. Out of curiosity, do you know what the legal process and cost is to immigrate these days? Do you think it's reasonably within the means of the average low-skill worker who comes to pick our crops? The entrepreneur who wants to mow lawns or the woman who plans to clean hotel rooms?
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Apr 11, 2019 1:38:35 GMT
I mean...that’s all Mexico’s fault, too.... right? Of course it is. But seriously, the U.S is in the midst of an opiate crisis that is costing millions of dollars just in the need for additional law enforcement and judicial costs. At a guess, I would say 85-90 percent of cases coming through my office are drug related either directly or people are committing offenses to support their habit. We’re also increasingly seeing really bad reactions to use either because the drugs are cut with other substances or are just so much stronger. Death rates from overdoses are also up drastically. As crackdowns have occurred on opiates people have moved to meth and then back to heroin. There are not nearly enough treatment options for people. If people want to focus on a crisis, they can focus on the very real crisis that is killing large number of our population right now. The drugs are only coming into the country because of the demand for them from people here. This is why I think the "war on drugs" was ill conceived and has largely failed. If there is demand, there will always be somebody ready to supply. If you look at the roots of the opiate crisis, much of it has to do with declining economies in certain locales and other reasons people are looking to self-medicate or escape their reality. Besides, if we want a war on drugs, we should be looking at Purdue Pharma and their role in the opiate crisis. Big pharma has a damn good lobby.
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Post by papersilly on Apr 11, 2019 1:46:38 GMT
Anyone who thinks that undocumented immigrants are not integral to the US economy is fooling himself. THAT THAT THAT! years ago, someone on the radio provided a very laymen's explanation and example of this and it's forever stuck in my mind. i think they were discussing that Day Without A Mexican movement. (Anyone remember that???). anyway, this was the jist of what they said: GARAGE SALES. who goes to your garage sales? lots of hispanics do. a good number of them may be undocumented. their money is limited so they shop yard sales for clothes, housewares, etc. they buy your stuff and you make money. in turn, you take your garage sale money and buy new clothes or that new tv you've been wanting. Target, Macy's or Best Buy thanks you for the revenue. their businesses boom and they don't have to fire people. they may actually have to hire more people. the economy churns on thanks to the dymanics of a simple yard sale. GARDENERS, CLEANING LADIES and NANNIES . can't afford a housekeeping service? a landscape service? Au Pair for your little darlings? you hire undocumented workers who are just gardeners, cleaning ladies, and babysitters. those semantics are the reason that Jose will do it for $65 instead of Green Acres Landscaping charging you $200.00. you pay them cash but you still have cash in your pocket to go to the movies, get your nails done, save for a vacation, get that new car. trickle down theory with the economy is at play again.
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 11, 2019 1:47:11 GMT
We went to Paris/London/Amsterdam (that one unplanned) this past year. What I found amazing was when we crossed the border, there was tons of security, razor wire, high fences, men with machine guns. Between countries that get along reasonably well. Yet that's ok. Where did you cross and saw all that? We crossed from Paris through Belgium to Amsterdam by train and never saw anything like that. Showed our passports to the airport guy in Paris and again to the woman in the kiosk at the train station in Amsterdam. Stamp, enjoy your stay, done. No barbed wire and no guns. Out of curiosity, do you know what the legal process and cost is to immigrate these days? Do you think it's reasonably within the means of the average low-skill worker who comes to pick our crops? The entrepreneur who wants to mow lawns or the woman who plans to clean hotel rooms? Having gone through the legal process 17 years ago, and knowing it’s only gotten substantially more expensive, it’s definitely not within their means. To boot, they’ll often need to retain legal counsel to run the gauntlet of complicated forms, even assuming their English is reasonably good.
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Post by StephDRebel on Apr 11, 2019 2:32:02 GMT
I am curious what drug people are using that is causing them to fail the drug test? Weed? Freaking legalize it already. Such a stupid thing to not hire someone for. Sadly it's mostly pills, heroine, and meth around here although weed is still a fireable offense.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 3:52:13 GMT
"Virtually all of the desperate families from Central America who seek asylum, whether entitled to protection or not, are permitted to remain indefinitely in the United Sates while awaiting formal adjudication of their claims. These claims cannot be processed fairly, quickly and efficiently, as the immigration courts face a backlog of nearly a million cases. In fiscal year 2018, less than 15 percent of applicants from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador were granted asylum, but only 1.5 percent of Central American family units apprehended in 2017 have been deported. The rest have, so far, stayed. In other words, Trump, a president fixated on stopping illegal immigration, has presided over a dramatic increase in the numbers of undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. It is a system that was almost designed to be exploited. Smugglers and migrant advocacy organizations like Pueblo Sin Fronteras are encouraging distressed families from Central America to travel north through Mexico, surrender to U.S. officials at the border and ask for political asylum. The ability to stay and work in the United States for years as their claims plod through the immigration court system is a powerful inducement to come here. Since the Trump administration has done so little to speed up the processing of claims, it is likely that these families will be staying in the U.S. for years. Indeed, the president’s government shutdown over the border wall only worsened the immigration court backlog. The president’s wall is, in other words, unmoored from operational reality. A wall will not make Central America a better place to live. A wall will not stop asylum seekers from coming to the United States and being able to claim asylum. A wall will not address, let alone fix, the issues with America’s asylum system and immigration courts. "
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/05/border-crisis-donald-trump-226573
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 3:56:04 GMT
"I’ll admit it: President Trump is right. There’s a crisis on the southern border. The existence of the crisis is as obvious as its cause: Trump. He didn’t single-handedly create this mess, but he definitely made it worse. He pursued not a policy but an instinct, following emotion rather than empiricism. Now, an immigration policy of toughness and fear has backfired in tangible ways. Customs and Border Protection reported on Tuesday that 103,492 migrants were either apprehended or turned away along the southern border in March (with about 90 percent attempting to cross illegally), the largest number in 12 years and more than quadruple the 23,557 in Trump’s first full month as president, and double the level seen early last fall. The open-border, catch-and-release, amnesty-loving, no-enforcement Obama administration never did this poorly.... The underlying source of the migration — violence in Central America — wasn’t Trump’s doing. But he compounded the trouble. The bellicose talk of wall-building and a zero-tolerance crackdown gave migrants an incentive to hurry to the United States. The 2018 campaign hysteria about caravans and the country’s limited ability to stop them, meant to frighten Americans, served as an advertisement for asylum for would-be migrants. The Border Patrol found only 13 groups of 100 or more in fiscal 2018; over the past six months, since Trump drew attention to the caravans, border agents have encountered 104. The attempt to crack down on asylum, including holding applicants in Mexico, encouraged more migrants to attempt illegal crossings. The profusion of enforcement crackdowns — including the administration’s half-baked family separation policy — strained and distracted personnel. The government shutdown and unstable management (continuing this week with the purge of top officials at the Department of Homeland Security) slowed the government’s response to the migration surge. The president’s recent decision to end anti-violence and anti-poverty assistance to three Central American countries will worsen the root cause of migration." www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/yes-there-is-a-crisis-at-the-southern-border-trump-made-it-worse/2019/04/10/4e4dbe28-5bc3-11e9-a00e-050dc7b82693_story.html
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Apr 11, 2019 4:36:47 GMT
I’m shocked that people believe there is a border crisis. Immigration reform needs some work. People applying for amnesty need help. They should not be separated from their children indefinitely. The way we are treating people at the border is the true crisis. Building a wall does nothing but prevent hard workers along the border getting to and from work. I’ve lived in Texas, Alabama, and now Arizona—in case that provides any credibility.
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Post by bc2ca on Apr 11, 2019 5:40:10 GMT
We went to Paris/London/Amsterdam (that one unplanned) this past year. What I found amazing was when we crossed the border, there was tons of security, razor wire, high fences, men with machine guns. Between countries that get along reasonably well. Yet that's ok. We try to do that here and we're horrible human beings. I'm not against immigration, come, please do. I want you here. One of my husband's good friends is a legal mexican that came here when he was a teen.... LEGALLY. Runs his own business in Idaho now with his brother. *Illegal* immigration even pisses off him. Were you traveling by train and crossing borders or is this what you experienced at an airport? We traveled through Zurich, Prague, Athens, Kusadasi (Turkey) and Frankfurt last summer and didn't see anything like what you've described. ETA There was definitely security, but no razor wire, high fences or machine guns. The only place I've seen machine guns at an airport was about 30 years ago in the Dominican Republic.
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Post by janeliz on Apr 11, 2019 10:29:50 GMT
Of course it is. But seriously, the U.S is in the midst of an opiate crisis that is costing millions of dollars just in the need for additional law enforcement and judicial costs. At a guess, I would say 85-90 percent of cases coming through my office are drug related either directly or people are committing offenses to support their habit. We’re also increasingly seeing really bad reactions to use either because the drugs are cut with other substances or are just so much stronger. Death rates from overdoses are also up drastically. As crackdowns have occurred on opiates people have moved to meth and then back to heroin. There are not nearly enough treatment options for people. If people want to focus on a crisis, they can focus on the very real crisis that is killing large number of our population right now. The drugs are only coming into the country because of the demand for them from people here. This is why I think the "war on drugs" was ill conceived and has largely failed. If there is demand, there will always be somebody ready to supply. If you look at the roots of the opiate crisis, much of it has to do with declining economies in certain locales and other reasons people are looking to self-medicate or escape their reality. Besides, if we want a war on drugs, we should be looking at Purdue Pharma and their role in the opiate crisis. Big pharma has a damn good lobby. I was gonna say...let’s talk about the very American and very white Sackler family.
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Post by heather on Apr 11, 2019 10:43:01 GMT
We went to Paris/London/Amsterdam (that one unplanned) this past year. What I found amazing was when we crossed the border, there was tons of security, razor wire, high fences, men with machine guns. Between countries that get along reasonably well. Yet that's ok. We try to do that here and we're horrible human beings. I'm not against immigration, come, please do. I want you here. One of my husband's good friends is a legal mexican that came here when he was a teen.... LEGALLY. Runs his own business in Idaho now with his brother. *Illegal* immigration even pisses off him. Were you traveling by train and crossing borders or is this what you experienced at an airport? We traveled through Zurich, Prague, Athens, Kusadasi (Turkey) and Frankfurt last summer and didn't see anything like what you've described. ETA There was definitely security, but no razor wire, high fences or machine guns. The only place I've seen machine guns at an airport was about 30 years ago in the Dominican Republic. Just got back a few weeks ago from Europe where I visited 3 countries. Saw nothing like this...no razor wire, no machine guns.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 11, 2019 10:52:07 GMT
Of course it is. But seriously, the U.S is in the midst of an opiate crisis that is costing millions of dollars just in the need for additional law enforcement and judicial costs. At a guess, I would say 85-90 percent of cases coming through my office are drug related either directly or people are committing offenses to support their habit. We’re also increasingly seeing really bad reactions to use either because the drugs are cut with other substances or are just so much stronger. Death rates from overdoses are also up drastically. As crackdowns have occurred on opiates people have moved to meth and then back to heroin. There are not nearly enough treatment options for people. If people want to focus on a crisis, they can focus on the very real crisis that is killing large number of our population right now. The drugs are only coming into the country because of the demand for them from people here. This is why I think the "war on drugs" was ill conceived and has largely failed. If there is demand, there will always be somebody ready to supply. If you look at the roots of the opiate crisis, much of it has to do with declining economies in certain locales and other reasons people are looking to self-medicate or escape their reality. Besides, if we want a war on drugs, we should be looking at Purdue Pharma and their role in the opiate crisis. Big pharma has a damn good lobby. Wasn’t Jared supposed to (single handedly) eradicate the US drug problem?
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Post by gar on Apr 11, 2019 10:56:03 GMT
We went to Paris/London/Amsterdam (that one unplanned) this past year. What I found amazing was when we crossed the border, there was tons of security, razor wire, high fences, men with machine guns. Between countries that get along reasonably well. Yet that's ok. We try to do that here and we're horrible human beings. . Where was this??
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Post by julieb on Apr 11, 2019 12:35:36 GMT
Of course they should receive treatment. Where did I say they shouldn't??? I'm talking about how the bills are paid. Please tell me what term I should be using to be politically correct?? It is not unethical to generally discuss the runnings of the office. I'm pretty sure they are not naming names to each other, and she definintely isn't to me. My friend is venting. It's very frustrating for her. Why is it frustrating? I worked a job (right up until last week), where I was privy to how people’s care was being paid and I can not think of one time anyone’s source of pay or original home frustrated me. You know why, because it wasn’t my job to pass judgement. My job was to collect the information and make sure it was in their chart. Period. Her job is to provide care, not pass judgement. If she focused on her job, she wouldn’t have time to worry and gossip about other’s financial and residency situations. Frankly, with her being so “frustrated” and biased, I don’t see how she can possibly be able to offer adequate care anyway. Firstly, I shouldn't assume what she tells me is true. I should not have repeated what she tells me. I don't believe for one minute that she isn't a good nurse however.
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StephDRebel
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Post by StephDRebel on Apr 11, 2019 12:40:05 GMT
We went to Paris/London/Amsterdam (that one unplanned) this past year. What I found amazing was when we crossed the border, there was tons of security, razor wire, high fences, men with machine guns. Between countries that get along reasonably well. Yet that's ok. Where did you cross and saw all that? We crossed from Paris through Belgium to Amsterdam by train and never saw anything like that. Showed our passports to the airport guy in Paris and again to the woman in the kiosk at the train station in Amsterdam. Stamp, enjoy your stay, done. No barbed wire and no guns. Out of curiosity, do you know what the legal process and cost is to immigrate these days? Do you think it's reasonably within the means of the average low-skill worker who comes to pick our crops? The entrepreneur who wants to mow lawns or the woman who plans to clean hotel rooms? We must have been on the same train. We didn't see anything like that going into Brussels or Amsterdam and Paris was just regular airport customs. The police had guns out, all over Europe actually but crossing the borders was simple.
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Apr 23, 2024 14:23:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 13:02:16 GMT
Were you traveling by train and crossing borders or is this what you experienced at an airport? We traveled through Zurich, Prague, Athens, Kusadasi (Turkey) and Frankfurt last summer and didn't see anything like what you've described. ETA There was definitely security, but no razor wire, high fences or machine guns. The only place I've seen machine guns at an airport was about 30 years ago in the Dominican Republic. Just got back a few weeks ago from Europe where I visited 3 countries. Saw nothing like this...no razor wire, no machine guns. Razor wire and machine guns sounds like one was traveling through Fox News borders.
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