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Post by tincin on Apr 12, 2019 4:10:23 GMT
How could their not be a white supremacy movements? Rates of hate crime have increased since 2016 as they’ve come out of hiding with the blessings of this administration.
Just remember, according to twitler their are good people on both sides.
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Post by femalebusiness on Apr 12, 2019 4:24:24 GMT
I know that there are a handful of members on this very board who know white supremacy is back out in the open and escalating, and are all for it but would deny it if asked.
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Post by scrapngranny on Apr 12, 2019 4:35:03 GMT
This is not something I thought we would see raise its ugly head again. We should be moving forward, not backward.
It is only going to get worse until this Administration is out of office and even then it’s going to take years to repair.
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Post by miominmio on Apr 12, 2019 4:48:52 GMT
I am a Norse pagan and white supremacists are definitely flocking to the faith. Five years ago they would, in the larger FB groups at least (they probably had their own secret ones), have been almost invisible. They May have been there, but they kept their opinions to themselves. These days, although moderators are working round the clock, they pop up frequently (and all the groups I’m in have a one strike and you’re out for good policy). It seems that the American ones are either multiplying or getting increasingly bolder. At the same time, thebacklash from others against the Neo nazis (and ironically, the overwhelming majority of Nazis were christians and expected to attend church) has led to pagans, and most of us are peaceful, law abiding citizens who are not racists, being verbalt and physically attacked for wearing the symbols of our faith. Not here in Europe (yet), but in the US many pagans live in fear.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 12, 2019 4:50:39 GMT
I’m with you all the way, sister.
But I’m not going to blame it ALL on Trump. The racism and anti-Semitism and white (Christian) supremacy have been there, bubbling under the surface, forever. Trump just lifted the lid and let it show its ugly face. He allows it, he embodies it, he encourages it.
What has always surprised me over the years has been the insistence on the part of conservative peas and others that we live in a post-racial world, that bigotry is gone, that there’s no need for affirmative action or the Voting Rights Act anymore, because everyone is equal and happy and there’s no more trouble in the world.
Then they’re always “shocked and saddened” when the crazy rears its ugly head and someone ... or a dozen someones ... end up dead. How’s about you people, ya know, listen to the other side for a change?
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Post by bc2ca on Apr 12, 2019 6:46:57 GMT
Sadly, he is not acting in isolation.
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Post by maryannscraps on Apr 12, 2019 11:59:51 GMT
I’m with you all the way, sister. But I’m not going to blame it ALL on Trump. The racism and anti-Semitism and white (Christian) supremacy have been there, bubbling under the surface, forever. Trump just lifted the lid and let it show its ugly face. He allows it, he embodies it, he encourages it. What has always surprised me over the years has been the insistence on the part of conservative peas and others that we live in a post-racial world, that bigotry is gone, that there’s no need for affirmative action or the Voting Rights Act anymore, because everyone is equal and happy and there’s no more trouble in the world. Then they’re always “shocked and saddened” when the crazy rears its ugly head and someone ... or a dozen someones ... end up dead. How’s about you people, ya know, listen to the other side for a change? I totally agree. And as they've crawled out from under their rocks with Trump, we now know who they are. And we won't forget. One of the reasons I sent checks to the Southern Poverty Law Center. Despite their recent issues, I believe in their mission.
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Post by casii on Apr 12, 2019 13:33:45 GMT
On the same page as all of you. Yes, the ugliness of White Supremacy has felt free to crawl out from under their rock due to the Trump admin.
The church burnings were not because he listened to death metal. It's because he is a racist terrorist. Has Trump condemned this or mentioned it at all? Not that I'm checking his twitter feed to find out!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 14:15:36 GMT
Where's all the trappings of the supposed danger to our nation?
He's:
- Not fatherless - Not an asylum seeker - Not brown - Not an undocumented resident
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 12, 2019 14:24:24 GMT
The church burnings were not because he listened to death metal. It's because he is a racist terrorist. Has Trump condemned this or mentioned it at all? Not that I'm checking his twitter feed to find out! Not that I am aware of. And not likely to happen any time soon. Domestic terrorist which dt will never acknowledge! White supremacist which dt will never acknowledge, as well as a full blown racist full of hate! Glad they caught him! ETA: White supremacy has been running under the radar for years. I missed a code word which should have been a warning to me about a friend's thoughts, this happened well over 4 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 14:05:28 GMT
Move along. Only white dudes being supremacists. Nothing to talk about on the 24-hour news cycle.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 14, 2019 14:21:56 GMT
But not in the news anywhere that I saw or heard.
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Post by Really Red on Apr 14, 2019 18:37:14 GMT
When we see good people doing good deeds or speaking out on behalf of someone, we (as a nation) feel emboldened to do the same.
Is there a crisis now? I say there has been one all along and that we only see it now because people are being emboldened by the hate-filled words of the president.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 3:17:45 GMT
Candace Owens did not say racism doesn't exist.
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 15, 2019 3:26:44 GMT
Candace Owens did not say racism doesn't exist. A friend on FB today quoted her as saying this. This poster gets her info straight from Fox (oftentimes) and I wonder if something is just being spread around that is false information (from whatever source). It drives me crazy because this lady posts so many untrue things and then every few months just complains that we all need to just get along.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 3:28:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 4:23:46 GMT
Candace Owens did not say racism doesn't exist. A friend on FB today quoted her as saying this. This poster gets her info straight from Fox (oftentimes) and I wonder if something is just being spread around that is false information (from whatever source). It drives me crazy because this lady posts so many untrue things and then every few months just complains that we all need to just get along. She said the words have become meaningless because they are to the Democrat platform, nothing more than an election strategy. It's not saying that it doesn't exist, it's saying that the term is being watered down. You have to listen to what she said in context, not pluck out a single phrase and assign meaning to it, as some seem to be doing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 5:09:29 GMT
A friend on FB today quoted her as saying this. This poster gets her info straight from Fox (oftentimes) and I wonder if something is just being spread around that is false information (from whatever source). It drives me crazy because this lady posts so many untrue things and then every few months just complains that we all need to just get along. She said the words have become meaningless because they are to the Democrat platform, nothing more than an election strategy. It's not saying that it doesn't exist, it's saying that the term is being watered down. You have to listen to what she said in context, not pluck out a single phrase and assign meaning to it, as some seem to be doing. How about this? Is this just meaningless to talk about?!?!?! Is this nothing but "an election strategy"!?!??!? WTeverlovingF!??!?!
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 15, 2019 14:05:11 GMT
A friend on FB today quoted her as saying this. This poster gets her info straight from Fox (oftentimes) and I wonder if something is just being spread around that is false information (from whatever source). It drives me crazy because this lady posts so many untrue things and then every few months just complains that we all need to just get along. She said the words have become meaningless because they are to the Democrat platform, nothing more than an election strategy. It's not saying that it doesn't exist, it's saying that the term is being watered down. You have to listen to what she said in context, not pluck out a single phrase and assign meaning to it, as some seem to be doing. I did go back and listen to what she said. The part that stuck out the most to me was about Hitler and it being okay to take over a nation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 19:15:58 GMT
She said the words have become meaningless because they are to the Democrat platform, nothing more than an election strategy. It's not saying that it doesn't exist, it's saying that the term is being watered down. You have to listen to what she said in context, not pluck out a single phrase and assign meaning to it, as some seem to be doing. How about this? Is this just meaningless to talk about?!?!?! Is this nothing but "an election strategy"!?!??!? WTeverlovingF!??!?! And yet, she still did not say racism doesn't exist as your tweet claimed.
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Post by oliquig on Apr 15, 2019 19:20:35 GMT
How about this? Is this just meaningless to talk about?!?!?! Is this nothing but "an election strategy"!?!??!? WTeverlovingF!??!?! And yet, she still did not say racism doesn't exist as your tweet claimed. So your argument is that the burning of these churches had nothing to do with white supremacy? Also then, what did she mean by her statement other than it's no longer an issue in today's world?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 19:35:32 GMT
She said the words have become meaningless because they are to the Democrat platform, nothing more than an election strategy. It's not saying that it doesn't exist, it's saying that the term is being watered down. You have to listen to what she said in context, not pluck out a single phrase and assign meaning to it, as some seem to be doing. I did go back and listen to what she said. The part that stuck out the most to me was about Hitler and it being okay to take over a nation. Can you provide a link to her saying that or is that only your interpretation of her actual words? If you're talking about the 30 second clip Ted Lieu played during the hearings, he got it so wrong. He left out all context in order to make it something it was not. Completely dishonest. And totally incorrect.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 19:47:34 GMT
So your argument is that the burning of these churches had nothing to do with white supremacy? No.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 15, 2019 19:47:57 GMT
I did go back and listen to what she said. The part that stuck out the most to me was about Hitler and it being okay to take over a nation. Can you provide a link to her saying that or is that only your interpretation of her actual words? If you're talking about the 30 second clip Ted Lieu played during the hearings, he got it so wrong. He left out all context in order to make it something it was not. Completely dishonest. And totally incorrect. I’m guessing this (if true) only bothers you when Democrats do it. Because you’ve been awfully silent when Trump and Republicans do it to Democrats every. damn. day. And yes, now you can complain about my abuse of what-aboutism. I suppose you want to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 19:51:51 GMT
Can you provide a link to her saying that or is that only your interpretation of her actual words? If you're talking about the 30 second clip Ted Lieu played during the hearings, he got it so wrong. He left out all context in order to make it something it was not. Completely dishonest. And totally incorrect. I’m guessing this (if true) only bothers you when Democrats do it. Because you’ve been awfully silent when Trump and Republicans do it to Democrats every. damn. day. And yes, now you can complain about my abuse of what-aboutism. I suppose you want to. Conservatives aren't the ones who introduced the objection to whataboutism. It's obviously only a problem for you when conservatives do it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 20:06:40 GMT
I did go back and listen to what she said. The part that stuck out the most to me was about Hitler and it being okay to take over a nation. Can you provide a link to her saying that or is that only your interpretation of her actual words? If you're talking about the 30 second clip Ted Lieu played during the hearings, he got it so wrong. He left out all context in order to make it something it was not. Completely dishonest. And totally incorrect. linkHere you go. “Conservative activist Candace Owens addressed a House Judiciary Committee hearing on Hate Crimes and White Nationalism on Tuesday and said the left uses such terms for "fear mongering, power and control.""There isn't a single adult today that in good conscience would make the argument that America is a more racist, more white nationalist society than it was when my grandfather was growing up and yet we are hearing these terms center around today because what they want to say is that brown people need to be scared which seems to be the narrative that we hear every four years right ahead of a presidential election," Owens said in her opening statement."Let me be clear the hearing today is not about white nationalism or hate crimes, it is about fear mongering, power and control," Owens said. "It is a preview of a Democrat 2020 election strategy the same as the Democrat 2016 election strategy.""The goal here is to scare Blacks, Hispanics, gays and Muslims into helping them censor dissenting opinions ultimately to helping them regain control of our countries narrative which they feel that they lost," she said."The biggest scandal in American politics is that Democrats have been conning minorities into the belief that we are perpetual victims all but ensuring our failure. Racial division and class warfare are central to the Democrat party platform. They need Blacks to hate whites, the rich to hate the poor. Soon enough it will be the tall hating the short," Owens concluded.”Only problem, regardless of what she is saying, white nationalism is on the rise. Enough so that it needs to be addressed. Her words are meant to try and marginalized the real threat of the resurgence of white nationalism in this country. Now you may chose to believe “there is nothing there” and that is your choice. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t something there that we all need to be concerned about. Oh and this Candace Owens is full of shit.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 15, 2019 20:07:46 GMT
I’m guessing this (if true) only bothers you when Democrats do it. Because you’ve been awfully silent when Trump and Republicans do it to Democrats every. damn. day. And yes, now you can complain about my abuse of what-aboutism. I suppose you want to. Conservatives aren't the ones who introduced the objection to whataboutism. It's obviously only a problem for you when conservatives do it. You are nothing if not predictable.
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Post by Peace Sign on Apr 15, 2019 20:14:33 GMT
white supremacy has continued to worm itself into law enforcement too. and before someone gets ready to pounce on me, of course NOT ALL law enforcement. but consider where law enforcement comes from.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 15, 2019 20:16:40 GMT
white supremacy has continued to worm itself into law enforcement too. and before someone gets ready to pounce on me, of course NOT ALL law enforcement. but consider where law enforcement comes from. I’m going to try not to imagine what you mean by “where law enforcement comes from” ...
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