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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 18, 2019 0:01:18 GMT
Yes there is white supremacy (CNN)More than two years ago, a white man chased down a young black man in a Jeep and killed him. A judge sentenced that man, Russell Courtier, to life in prison for the racially motivated killing of 19-year-old Larnell Bruce Jr. He won't have the possibility of parole for another 28 years. Courtier is a member of a gang called European Kindred, which is a white supremacist prison gang based primarily in the Oregon corrections system, according to the Anti-Defamation League. According to the prosecution, on August 10, 2016, Courtier and Bruce got in a physical fight outside a convenience store in Gresham, Oregon, just outside of Portland. ** www.cnn.com/2019/04/17/us/oregon-white-supremacist-ran-down-black-man-trnd/index.html |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 18, 2019 0:37:57 GMT
Why on earth are we listening to the blather of a woman who couldn't be bothered to finish her undergraduate degreeDismissing the woman herself, not her opinions and viewpoints. One who previously garnered online attention with anti-Trump rhetoric but then found she got more attention by coming out in favor of Trump? Dismissing the woman herself, not her opinions and viewpoints. Why do we give this woman one second of room in our heads? Dismissing the woman herself, not her opinions and viewpoints. She has no background that would suggest she's an expert on anything. Dismissing the woman herself, not her opinions and viewpoints. Who cares what she thinks or says? Dismissing the woman herself, not her opinions and viewpoints. to speak on a topic about which she apparently knows nothing. Dismissing the woman herself, not her opinions and viewpoints. Obviously they could not find a credible historian to validate their views. Dismissing the woman herself, not her opinions and viewpoints. I couldn't possibly dismiss the woman herself
Calling out demonstrably inaccurate statements is not refusing to hear an opinion. It's refusing to let lies become "truth" because someone wishes them so. Speaking of refusing to let lies become "truth" because you wish them so. You did not call out one single statement. Your dismissals were all about the woman herself. That's the fact. As you said... "This goes back to the idea that everyone can have their own opinion, but everyone can't have their own facts." Yep. Gia. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 1:24:24 GMT
No, Gia, in the context of the thread, my statements were all about whether she deserves our attention on this subject or any serious historical or political issue. Whatever you say, papercrafteradvocate. We'll just ignore your actual words and rely on your back peddling. Someone is playing the game of diverting a thread on the broad topic of America's growing white supremacy, toward a tangential point. You're so right, Lucy brought in Trump and her whataboutism in response to me talking about the topic of the thread. Ms 1824 (and the significance of that year, I’m sure, has not escaped too many). Oh for fuck sake, I literally pulled it out of thin air based on all the restaurants I've seen named by spelling out their address. What in the actual fuck are you talking about? I can assure you it has no actual meaning any more than shhfzas. That's not a blanket opening for giving value wholesale to every single opinion there is, though. Hitler had opinions. Dangerous ones. Opinions people should have been much more afraid of, than they initially were. Are you seriously comparing Candace Owens to Hitler now? That's insane. There is nothing wrong with her opinions other than you don't agree with them. That's it. She's a good person, has done nothing wrong and is no where near dangerous unless you're scared of differing opinions.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 2:36:44 GMT
linkThe link includes the videos that were done by Frontline and ProPublica. Eye openers. INO. Candace Owens is claiming Democrats are using “white nationalism “ as an election strategy. The white nationalism is no worse then when her grandfather was a child. Really... From PBS/Frontline and ProPublica.. “Inside a Neo-Nazi Group With Members Tied to the U.S. Military”“On a Shabbat morning last month, a gunman stormed into the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh during services and carried out the deadliest known attack on the Jewish community in American history. Armed with an AR-15 and three handguns, the gunman killed 11 Jewish worshippers, ranging in age from 54 to 97. The violent, anti-Semitic attack stunned much of America. But at the same time, it’s part of a broader resurgence of white supremacist hatred in the U.S.: Just last week, the FBI released its documentation of hate crimes reported to the agency in 2017 — showing an increase for the third year running. FRONTLINE and ProPublica have been investigating the resurgence of violent white supremacy in America for more than a year, in reporting that has helped lead to multiple arrests. That reporting continues on Nov. 20 with Documenting Hate: New American Nazis — a new documentary investigating Atomwaffen Division, a neo-Nazi group that calls for racially motivated, “lone wolf” terror attacks like the one in Pittsburgh. Atomwaffen members or associates have been charged in five murders in the last two years — and the group has actively recruited inside the U.S. military. In the above excerpt from the documentary, correspondent A.C. Thompson and reporter Ali Winston talk with a former member of the group, who sheds light on its terrorist objectives. “Atomwaffen Division, it’s a Nazi extremist group seeking to spread terror. The main thing is lone wolf activity,” says the former Atomwaffen member, who asks Thompson to call him John and disguise his voice. As the film explores, this sort of approach has helped the white power movement continue to exist under the radar over the years — since such attacks often present as random, isolated occurrences, rather than as outgrowths of an organized white power movement. “They don’t see themselves as terrorists. Rather, they see the United States as the ultimate terrorist,” John tells FRONTLINE and ProPublica of Atomwaffen’s ideology. “Like what Adolf Hitler said, how do you meet terrorism? You meet it with stronger terrorism.” The investigation goes on to show how the neo-Nazi group has sought to draw from the U.S. military, and how it has even run “hate camps” offering military-style training across the U.S.. It also explores the long history of white extremist groups with members linked to the U.S. military, and examines how civilian and military authorities have responded to Atomwaffen’s terrorist ambitions. All told, the documentary is a chilling and eye-opening look at violent white supremacist groups in America: how they operate, what their aims are, and what’s being done to stop them. Documenting Hate: New American Nazis premieres Tuesday, Nov. 20 at 9 p.m. EST/8 p.m. CST on PBS stations (check local listings) and online. The first film in this series, Documenting Hate: Charlottesville, is streaming in full online. Read related reporting at propublica.org.“
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 2:39:04 GMT
And this one from Frontline and ProPublica...
“Tonight on FRONTLINE: “Documenting Hate: New American Nazis”
“Since last year, we have been collaborating with the non-profit news organization ProPublica to report on the resurgent white supremacy movement in America. With correspondent A.C. Thompson, director Richard Rowley and producer Karim Hajj, we produced the film Documenting Hate: Charlottesville in August for the anniversary of the deadly rally.
Our reporting has helped lead to multiple arrests, and tonight, we’ll bring you our second film in this series: Documenting Hate: New American Nazis.
Premiering at a special time (9 p.m. EST/8 p.m. CST – check local PBS listings), it’s an investigation of a violent neo-Nazi group called Atomwaffen Division that has actively recruited inside the U.S. military, and that calls for racially-motivated “lone wolf” attacks like the shooting last month at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh. In fact, our reporting in the past few days has shown that authorities are looking at the online relationship between the accused synagogue shooter and two neo-Nazi brothers with a connection to Atomwaffen.
ProPublica and A.C. are long-time collaborators with FRONTLINE. We turned to them after they established “Documenting Hate,” a cross-platform effort aimed at collecting and verifying hate crimes and bias incidents across the country.
Like ProPublica, we had been seeing the rising number of hate-based crimes and felt an urgency to investigate: Who was behind these acts? What was motivating them? Why was this happening in our country? Of course, the massacre in Pittsburgh, just weeks before broadcast, gave these questions even greater urgency.
As we made Documenting Hate: Charlottesville and Documenting Hate: New American Nazis, I had many conversations with A.C. and the team about what they were finding, and I was struck multiple times by their observations.
“One thing that surprised me was the hard turn towards anti-Semitism among young people in the current white supremacist movement,” A.C. told me. “In the early days of this white power revival — say 2015, 2016 — the movement was animated by a discomfort with immigration and the changing demographics in America and disdain for Muslims. But pretty quickly the movement became immersed in anti-Jewish conspiracy theories, the same sort of twisted lore and logic that had motivated the hardcore racist fringe during the 1980s and 1990s — and for many, many years before that.”
As we finished both documentaries together in the edit room, we all decided to end each film with a simple — and troubling — message: this story is far from over.
You’ll see us continuing to report on this issue, with more text stories and documentaries to come.
Documenting Hate: New American Nazis premieres tonight at a special time — 9 p.m. EST/8 p.m. CST — on PBS stations (check local listings) and online, followed by an updated rebroadcast of Documenting Hate: Charlottesville. Read related reporting at propublica.org.
Thanks for all your support and for being a vital part of the FRONTLINE“ community.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 4:34:24 GMT
Joey Derek Christian Was Caught on Video Screaming ‘F*cking Arab’ After Learning the AT&T Store Employee’s Name Is Mohammed & Then Saying ‘I’ve Been Killing His Kind for Longer Than You’ve Probably Been Alive’ He Has a Previous Criminal Record, Including an Aggravated Robbery Conviction That Led to a 10-Year Prison Sentence, & Has Twice Been Arrested on DUI Charges, Most Recently on April 8 heavy.com/news/2019/04/joey-derek-christian/White Supremacy + Toxic Masculinity. What a lovely combination |
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 19, 2019 5:09:35 GMT
No, Gia, in the context of the thread, my statements were all about whether she deserves our attention on this subject or any serious historical or political issue. Whatever you say, papercrafteradvocate. We'll just ignore your actual words and rely on your back peddling. Someone is playing the game of diverting a thread on the broad topic of America's growing white supremacy, toward a tangential point. You're so right, Lucy brought in Trump and her whataboutism in response to me talking about the topic of the thread. Ms 1824 (and the significance of that year, I’m sure, has not escaped too many). Oh for fuck sake, I literally pulled it out of thin air based on all the restaurants I've seen named by spelling out their address. What in the actual fuck are you talking about? I can assure you it has no actual meaning any more than shhfzas. That's not a blanket opening for giving value wholesale to every single opinion there is, though. Hitler had opinions. Dangerous ones. Opinions people should have been much more afraid of, than they initially were. Are you seriously THIS obtuse? That comment had NOTHING to do with Candace Owens. I was referring to the quote that you posted, and you somehow extrapolated as meaning that every single opinion EVER has value.  I can see now why you had to create an entire new account. SMH. |
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Post by lucyg on Apr 19, 2019 5:13:17 GMT
Another asshole who feels enabled by our dear leader.
ETA sorry, referring to @zingermack’s video a couple of posts above.
Good lord, this country has more than its fair share of psychos. *sigh*
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Post by Nink on Apr 19, 2019 5:18:03 GMT
Honest to God that is one of the most vile things I’ve ever seen. Makes my stomach churn. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 19, 2019 11:52:13 GMT
Whatever you say, papercrafteradvocate. We'll just ignore your actual words and rely on your back peddling. You're so right, Lucy brought in Trump and her whataboutism in response to me talking about the topic of the thread. Oh for fuck sake, I literally pulled it out of thin air based on all the restaurants I've seen named by spelling out their address. What in the actual fuck are you talking about? I can assure you it has no actual meaning any more than shhfzas. Are you seriously comparing Candace Owens to Hitler now? That's insane. There is nothing wrong with her opinions other than you don't agree with them. That's it. She's a good person, has done nothing wrong and is no where near dangerous unless you're scared of differing opinions. Are you seriously THIS obtuse? That comment had NOTHING to do with Candace Owens. I was referring to the quote that you posted, and you somehow extrapolated as meaning that every single opinion EVER has value. I can see now why you had to create an entire new account. SMH. Exactly! Then she’ll move the goalposts and accuse you of back peddling or insist that she and only she can be correct! Lol. |
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Post by femalebusiness on Apr 19, 2019 16:41:45 GMT
Are you seriously THIS obtuse? That comment had NOTHING to do with Candace Owens. I was referring to the quote that you posted, and you somehow extrapolated as meaning that every single opinion EVER has value.   I can see now why you had to create an entire new account. SMH. Exactly! Then she’ll move the goalposts and accuse you of back peddling or insist that she and only she can be correct! Lol. Yes, and if I had a magic wand I would wave it and have all those who continue to engage with crazy to just STOP IT. It makes those who engage in debate with crazy, just as crazy and insures that crazy will never go away. |
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Post by casii on Apr 19, 2019 16:59:47 GMT
Honest to God that is one of the most vile things I’ve ever seen. Makes my stomach churn. Thank goodness for the advocate who videoed and called the authorities. I hope we'd all come alongside those being harassed as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 17:23:04 GMT
Whatever you say, papercrafteradvocate. We'll just ignore your actual words and rely on your back peddling. You're so right, Lucy brought in Trump and her whataboutism in response to me talking about the topic of the thread. Oh for fuck sake, I literally pulled it out of thin air based on all the restaurants I've seen named by spelling out their address. What in the actual fuck are you talking about? I can assure you it has no actual meaning any more than shhfzas. Are you seriously comparing Candace Owens to Hitler now? That's insane. There is nothing wrong with her opinions other than you don't agree with them. That's it. She's a good person, has done nothing wrong and is no where near dangerous unless you're scared of differing opinions.
I was referring to the quote that you posted, and you somehow extrapolated as meaning that every single opinion EVER has value. I can see now why you had to create an entire new account. SMH. You respond to a comment about Candace Owen and then tell me I'm obtuse because YOUR answer had nothing to do with Candace Owen. |
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 19, 2019 17:59:58 GMT
Exactly! Then she’ll move the goalposts and accuse you of back peddling or insist that she and only she can be correct! Lol. Yes, and if I had a magic wand I would wave it and have all those who continue to engage with crazy to just STOP IT. It makes those who engage in debate with crazy, just as crazy and insures that crazy will never go away. I didn't realize it was Gia, until this thread. I guess I missed if that had been raised elsewhere before. Now I know, I certainly won't be engaging it further. Its an exercise in futility. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 12:37:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 12:39:58 GMT
"In the early morning hours of June 7, 1998, three white men beat Byrd after offering him a ride. They then chained the 49-year-old to the back of a truck and dragged his body for nearly 3 miles along a secluded road in the piney woods outside Jasper. Byrd was alive for at least two miles before his body was ripped to pieces. Prosecutors said he was targeted because he was black. John William King, 44, an avowed racist who orchestrated the attack, is slated to be put to death Wednesday. He will be the second man executed in the case. Lawrence Russell Brewer was executed in 2011. The third participant, Shawn Allen Berry, was sentenced to life in prison." www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/Texas-Town-Reflects-on-Dragging-Death-Ahead-of-Execution-508869941.html |
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Post by peasapie on Apr 22, 2019 13:17:56 GMT
I suck at arguing politics, and no one is every convinced to change their opinion anyway, so I'm not joining this fray. I will say that I've appreciated the links provided here and the insightful comments by many peas.
To the OP - of course white supremacy exists; always has. I don't blame Trump, as he is just a symptom of the disease.
There are people in my family -- people I know and love, who go to church every Sunday and buy bags of food to donate to the poor -- who are on the spectrum of white supremacy. They would deny it because they don't even see it, but they hate Mexicans and think a very few black people are educated and intelligent. Those FEW are elevated to near sainthood in their eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 13:36:14 GMT
I suck at arguing politics, and no one is every convinced to change their opinion anyway, so I'm not joining this fray. I will say that I've appreciated the links provided here and the insightful comments by many peas. To the OP - of course white supremacy exists; always has. I don't blame Trump, as he is just a symptom of the disease. There are people in my family -- people I know and love, who go to church every Sunday and buy bags of food to donate to the poor -- who are on the spectrum of white supremacy. They would deny it because they don't even see it, but they hate Mexicans and think a very few black people are educated and intelligent. Those FEW are elevated to near sainthood in their eyes. Agreed. But the disease must be addressed in order to be cured. "Beirich added: “So a historic problem that comes from our long history of white supremacy continues to result in violence directed at the black population.” While the longer-term picture is improving, things appear to have worsened again during the Donald Trump era. Between President Barack Obama coming to power in 2009 and him leaving office, the number of black victims of racial hate crimes fell by 23.5 percent to 2,220. But in the three years between Trump announcing his candidacy in 2015 and the end of his first year as president in 2017, the number of black victims is on the rise again.
Between those years there was an 11.5 percent increase in the number of victims of anti-black hate crimes, the FBI data shows.Racist murders of black people are not consigned to American history because they never stopped. They are a constant through the country’s 242 years of existence. In 2015, the 21-year-old white supremacist Dylann Roof shot and killed nine African American worshippers at a black church in Charleston, South Carolina, hoping to trigger a race war. Three years later, Gregory Bush, 51, allegedly tried to do the same in Louisville, Kentucky. Police say Bush, who was armed, attempted to enter the First Baptist Church of Jeffersontown, a black church, but the doors were locked. He was heard banging on them. Thwarted, Bush is alleged to have walked to a nearby Kroger supermarket where he shot dead Maurice Stallard, 69, and Vickie Lee Jones, 67, who were both black. " www.newsweek.com/james-byrd-jr-lynching-texas-death-row-execution-1394474 |
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"The driver accused of intentionally hitting a group of pedestrians in Northern California attacked people he believed were of the Muslim faith, police said. New evidence shows that Isaiah Joel Peoples also targeted the crowd based on race, Sunnyvale, California, Police Chief Phan Ngo told reporters Friday. Ngo refused to discuss the evidence or provide more details about the investigation. Peoples, 34, has been charged with eight counts of attempted murder for allegedly driving his vehicle into pedestrians in Sunnyvale earlier this week. If convicted, Peoples faces up to life in prison." www.cnn.com/2019/04/26/us/california-sunnyvale-crash-suspect/index.html |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 5:27:10 GMT
"A woman was killed and three other people, including a minor, sustained non-life threatening injuries in a shooting at a Poway, California, synagogue on Saturday, the city’s mayor said. Deputies were called to Chabad of Poway -- about 25 miles (40 kilometers) north of San Diego -- shortly before 11:30 a.m. local time. The suspect was identified as John Earnest, a 19-year-old white man who entered the synagogue with an assault-style weapon, and he has been arrested, the San Diego county sheriff said." www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-27/injuries-reported-at-california-synagogue-after-shooting |
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"A woman was killed and three other people, including a minor, sustained non-life threatening injuries in a shooting at a Poway, California, synagogue on Saturday, the city’s mayor said. Deputies were called to Chabad of Poway -- about 25 miles (40 kilometers) north of San Diego -- shortly before 11:30 a.m. local time. The suspect was identified as John Earnest, a 19-year-old white man who entered the synagogue with an assault-style weapon, and he has been arrested, the San Diego county sheriff said." www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-27/injuries-reported-at-california-synagogue-after-shootingps - Isn't amazing how many white shooters are arrested alive?!?! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 16:32:20 GMT
But in the three years between Trump announcing his candidacy in 2015 and the end of his first year as president in 2017, the number of black victims is on the rise again.
Between those years there was an 11.5 percent increase in the number of victims of anti-black hate crimes, the FBI data shows. It was rising in 2014, long before Trump. If the rise in the economy can not be contributed to Trump because it was happening under Obama, (as stated and majority agreed on this board) then it stands to reason the same rules apply to the rise in hate crimes started under Obama. |
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Post by gar on Apr 28, 2019 16:40:10 GMT
But in the three years between Trump announcing his candidacy in 2015 and the end of his first year as president in 2017, the number of black victims is on the rise again.
Between those years there was an 11.5 percent increase in the number of victims of anti-black hate crimes, the FBI data shows. It was rising in 2014, long before Trump. If the rise in the economy can not be contributed to Trump because it was happening under Obama, (as stated and majority agreed on this board) then it stands to reason the same rules apply to the rise in hate crimes started under Obama. |
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Post by valincal on Apr 28, 2019 17:00:46 GMT
^^^
F-word is directed at his parents, not papercrafter. 😄
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 28, 2019 17:16:12 GMT
But in the three years between Trump announcing his candidacy in 2015 and the end of his first year as president in 2017, the number of black victims is on the rise again.
Between those years there was an 11.5 percent increase in the number of victims of anti-black hate crimes, the FBI data shows. It was rising in 2014, long before Trump. If the rise in the economy can not be contributed to Trump because it was happening under Obama, (as stated and majority agreed on this board) then it stands to reason the same rules apply to the rise in hate crimes started under Obama. Riiiiiiight.... Because the economy is EXACTLY the same as a rise in white supremacy. Good god are there stupid trump apologists out there. 😖 |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 28, 2019 17:18:23 GMT
^^^ F-word is directed at his parents, not papercrafter. 😄 I went back to reread! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 28, 2019 17:23:15 GMT
But in the three years between Trump announcing his candidacy in 2015 and the end of his first year as president in 2017, the number of black victims is on the rise again.
Between those years there was an 11.5 percent increase in the number of victims of anti-black hate crimes, the FBI data shows. It was rising in 2014, long before Trump. If the rise in the economy can not be contributed to Trump because it was happening under Obama, (as stated and majority agreed on this board) then it stands to reason the same rules apply to the rise in hate crimes started under Obama. Liar. The last 3 years of President Obama’s tenure, white supremacy violence DECREASED by 30%. SINCE trumpfuck has been in the running and cheating to steal the office, white supremacy violence has increased more than 30%. |
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