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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 13, 2019 18:59:16 GMT
I am a Christian who is surrounded by "Christian culture". I know of no movable Christians in real life. I know Christians who moved before this last election, but the ones who didn't move then, I believe they won't be moved now either. They will vote for Trump again. It makes me absolutely crazy. You need to explain or redefine your meaning of Christian. I think you will find many members here, including me, are Christian. I find no need in my life to thump my chest and announce I am Christian. I know, my friends know and I know in general what they are too. Sure, I talked about why on the catch all thread. He believes we can fight climate change without phasing out all fossil fuels. I think the term he used it’s not an either/or choice. I disagree. I give him bit of slack on that, he does live in Texas.
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Post by J u l e e on Apr 13, 2019 20:33:37 GMT
I am a Christian who is surrounded by "Christian culture". I know of no movable Christians in real life. I know Christians who moved before this last election, but the ones who didn't move then, I believe they won't be moved now either. They will vote for Trump again. It makes me absolutely crazy. You need to explain or redefine your meaning of Christian. I think you will find many members here, including me, are Christian. I find no need in my life to thump my chest and announce I am Christian. I know, my friends know and I know in general what they are too. I'm honestly not understanding your response. Is that what you think I am doing? Thumping my chest because I mentioned being a Christian? And I do know that many members here are Christian. Their posts here keep me sane. Again, not sure why you responded with that. I was talking about the Christians I know in my life. I'm not sure why I need to explain or redefine my meaning of Christian. I am honestly confused.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 21:04:07 GMT
You need to explain or redefine your meaning of Christian. I think you will find many members here, including me, are Christian. I find no need in my life to thump my chest and announce I am Christian. I know, my friends know and I know in general what they are too. I'm honestly not understanding your response. Is that what you think I am doing? Thumping my chest because I mentioned being a Christian? And I do know that many members here are Christian. Their posts here keep me sane. Again, not sure why you responded with that. I was talking about the Christians I know in my life. I'm not sure why I need to explain or redefine my meaning of Christian. I am honestly confused. What is your definition of “Christian culture?” No need to define it on my account because I don’t care. My point, there is not one pat answer that defines a Christian or “Christian culture”. So while it may mean one thing to you and those in your circle, it could and probably does mean something entirely different to others who identify as a Christians and their version of “Christian culture”. I think its problematic to use the broad stroke of the brush to describe the beliefs of all Christian as the same when in fact history has shown us otherwise. While there may be some similarities in their beliefs, there are also some differences that are not small by any means. At least that is my observation anyway.
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Post by J u l e e on Apr 13, 2019 21:15:17 GMT
Oh absolutely. My husband works for a church with dozens of staff and thousands of members. He works on the financial/business side of the ministry. I work for a Christian non-profit with eight staff members and hundreds of volunteers. We both spend the majority of our days surrounded by Christians - what I meant when I said Christian culture. I know that beliefs and values differ widely between individual people. I wasn't trying to broadly paint anybody. I was basically saying the people I know that are Christians who voted for Trump, plan to do so again. I don't know of any one of those who is movable. I was just adding a personal anecdote to the conversation of "movable" Christians, saying I didn't personally know any who were.
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 13, 2019 23:12:07 GMT
Would those “movable” Evangelicals christians be willing to vote for a gay man for President? Is that part of what makes them movable? Or would a gay candidate turn them away? I would say, some would. Sure, there will be some who won't but there has been a whole splintering of the Evangelicals over how gays are treated. Look at Jen Hatmaker after she took a stance of inclusion. There is a large number (like me and others on this board) that would vote for a gay man and not think twice as long as his policies lined up with something we could support. What makes us moveable is that in the past, we normally would be a Republican voter - even if we didn't completely support the candidate or their policies. Now that isn't an option for many of us. We are looking for a candidate that can move the US forward - and if that candidate has a D or R behind their name isn't relevant anymore. Our vote is no longer guarenteed to the Republicans. I am very happy to read this.
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Post by gale w on Apr 14, 2019 0:23:12 GMT
I have not found dirt to-date. I can’t believe how low my expectations have become in these Trumpian times. Does Mayor Pete speak in complete, lucid sentences? Yes. Is he part of a corrupt grifter dynasty? No. Good enough. If he wins the nomination I’m voting for him. We hear nothing but Buttigieg on the news (our "local" news station is in South Bend) but I don't pay much attention to the politics. But on the news stations' facebook pages people mention this a lot. www.buzzfeednews.com/article/henrygomez/mayor-pete-buttigieg-south-bend-gentrificationOther people say he's not doing enough to curb violence. South Bend is one of the worst cities in northern Indiana for crime. I'm sure someone will dig up more.
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Post by lizacreates on Apr 14, 2019 0:35:09 GMT
I have not found dirt to-date. I can’t believe how low my expectations have become in these Trumpian times. Does Mayor Pete speak in complete, lucid sentences? Yes. Is he part of a corrupt grifter dynasty? No. Good enough. If he wins the nomination I’m voting for him. We hear nothing but Buttigieg on the news (our "local" news station is in South Bend) but I don't pay much attention to the politics. But on the news stations' facebook pages people mention this a lot. www.buzzfeednews.com/article/henrygomez/mayor-pete-buttigieg-south-bend-gentrificationOther people say he's not doing enough to curb violence. South Bend is one of the worst cities in northern Indiana for crime. I'm sure someone will dig up more. Yes, I saw that earlier, but I also read the other side's arguments on the gentrification issue.
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Post by quinlove on Apr 14, 2019 0:52:21 GMT
Well, this just proves that you can’t please everyone.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 14, 2019 14:00:51 GMT
Better to read the whole article to the end:
** Buttigieg has acknowledged some missteps and, to the appreciation of Williams-Preston and others, made changes to make repairing houses an easier and more affordable option.
“I’m not sure we got that completely right,” Buttigieg told the Christian Science Monitor last week, specifically with regard to aggressive code enforcement. ** To the neighborhood activists, the better takeaway is that Buttigieg eventually started taking their concerns seriously. ** Odom and Williams-Preston also praise Buttigieg for making more resources and money available for low-income residents to fix up homes. In January, Buttigieg launched South Bend Repair, an initiative composed of three programs and more than $1 million in investment at the city and federal level, according to the South Bend Tribune. The effort is aimed at helping homeowners make renovations small and large. One of programs, Love Your Block, includes a $25,000 grant from the national Cities of Service nonprofit, matched by $25,000 from the city. Odom recently helped the city connect property owners with resources available from that fund. The mayor, she said, has shown an open door.
“I think he still has a ways to go,” Odom said. “But I do give Mayor Pete credit for having conversations. I’ve stopped him on the street many times. And he’ll stop and he’ll talk: ‘Call me, whatever. I’ll look into it.’” ** “There’s always someone who went to college and graduated and they have this idea of, ‘Oh, this could be so beautiful on this side of town,’” Odom said. “But they never think about the consequences. They don’t think about the people they’re hurting. And I think that the mayor, he didn’t have all of the people he needed in his ear giving him the guidance to do it the right way.”
Williams-Preston, who has developed a working relationship with Buttigieg, said the mayor has learned to call such guidance “healthy pressure.”
“You very well could be president of the United States one day,” she recalled telling Buttigieg. “And I feel like it’s the responsibility of the people of South Bend to make sure you’re prepared for that. So we are going to have to give you some battle scars.”
The way Williams-Preston sees it, there’s room for more than one hero in Buttigieg’s story.
“Some people, they’re trying to find the dirt on Pete,” she said. “I just try to encourage people. If you look at the whole story — any good story — the hero is an imperfect hero, you know what I’m saying? We don’t do everything right. The real story here is the fact that the people organized to make a change.”
ETA: Totally unrelated to the above. I think I heard Buttigieg say that 'Medicare for those who want it' could be a good option too. Which to me leaves private insurance would also be out there too as a choice.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 14, 2019 20:22:28 GMT
So he has officially announced now. A historic run.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Apr 14, 2019 20:52:00 GMT
So he has officially announced now. A historic run. I'm not even gonna lie..... I teared up when he just announced and then he & his dh hugged and kissed. Whether he becomes president of not, this is big. Huge. A gay man running for president. It gives me hope for the future of LGBTQ+ rights and acceptance. That is an important matter that affects many in my life personally.
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Post by katlady on Apr 14, 2019 21:04:45 GMT
I first really learned about him from an episode on the Daily Show. Trevor Noah started out with how to pronounce his name. Lol! But I really like what Mayor Pete is about. Although, at his age and experience, I see him more as a VP candidate right now.
BTW, did you know that James Buchanan is said to be our first gay President. He openly lived with William Rufus King (who was a VP). After King died Buchanan wrote about being alone and not being able to find another partner/companion.
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Post by SockMonkey on Apr 14, 2019 21:29:43 GMT
I like Pete. I'm willing to listen. He has a lot of charisma and is running a solid campaign (even though he JUST announced).
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Post by Skellinton on Apr 14, 2019 23:38:23 GMT
I am hopeful for him, more so then anyone else that has thrown their hat in the ring. I just want someone who can beat Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 4:36:42 GMT
Sadly, there are too many "evangelicals" like her. They prop up Trump and keep the GOP afraid to stand up to him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 16:06:57 GMT
I will be looking at him with interest. I grew up in South Bend and have a lot of family/friends there. Not everyone in South Bend is enamored with him. There are some concerns about how he has handled some police issues and businesses leaving the downtown area.
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Post by thundergal on Apr 15, 2019 17:51:03 GMT
The democrats aren't going to get the Evangelical or extreme Christian votes no matter who they put up. We need to quit worrying about that and be Democrats. I don't want to derail this thread -and I agree with you on extreme Christians - but I do think there are many Evangelical Christians who are looking to the Dems as a place to land. We know we cannot support Trump. I've realized that I will most likely have to vote Dem to keep Trump out. I've recently read that atleast 20% of Evangelical Christians are 'moveable' this Election cycle and for the Dems to ignore that 20% all together will be a costly mistake I believe. That's interesting and I hope you're right that there are more like you who want something different. And if that's true, I hope we do right by that group of people. I love Pete. And I'm struggling with that a little. I feel like it's time for a woman. But I also won't ignore a male candidate. I'm not sure if it's by my own design or if it's actually happening, but I feel like I'm seeing more of Pete and hearing more about Pete. Someone on Twitter mentioned that he is doing more interviews than the other candidates. I kind of hope that's true because I don't want to somehow have created my own little echo chamber about a candidate so early in the process. But damn. I like him so much.
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Post by annabella on Apr 15, 2019 17:56:52 GMT
I also think he's too young. But I bet with the large talented running pool we have right now he realizes he's not going to a forerunner and this run is only to raise his political profile (and sell more copies of his book)?
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Post by mom on Apr 15, 2019 17:59:25 GMT
I don't want to derail this thread -and I agree with you on extreme Christians - but I do think there are many Evangelical Christians who are looking to the Dems as a place to land. We know we cannot support Trump. I've realized that I will most likely have to vote Dem to keep Trump out. I've recently read that atleast 20% of Evangelical Christians are 'moveable' this Election cycle and for the Dems to ignore that 20% all together will be a costly mistake I believe. That's interesting and I hope you're right that there are more like you who want something different. And if that's true, I hope we do right by that group of people. I love Pete. And I'm struggling with that a little. I feel like it's time for a woman. But I also won't ignore a male candidate. I'm not sure if it's by my own design or if it's actually happening, but I feel like I'm seeing more of Pete and hearing more about Pete. Someone on Twitter mentioned that he is doing more interviews than the other candidates. I kind of hope that's true because I don't want to somehow have created my own little echo chamber about a candidate so early in the process. But damn. I like him so much. I feel the same way - but then I read something (or heard?) that Candidates like Booker are intentionally having a slow start and plan on making a big push soon. They'd rather have a slow start and finish hard, then come out hard and be wiped by the end.
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Post by peano on Apr 16, 2019 2:56:03 GMT
Just finished watching his interview on Rachel Maddow. He was so articulate, it made me want to cry, when compared to that thing currently in the WH.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 4:49:28 GMT
“A big old smack in the mouth between two men,” groused Jackson. “A normal man is disgusted by the idea of two men kissing each other on the mouth. A normal man is disgusted by that. [As a "normal woman", I am disgusted by the thought of Trump and Melania. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to have sex though] People can try to be politically correct all they want, but a normal man is disgusted by it because it is not what God made us for, it is not the way we are wired, it is not what we are made for.” “They do this publicly because they want to wear down the sense of disgust that people feel, they want to erode it,” he continued. “I don’t even want to see that. I really don’t. It’s disgusting and all the men in America, all the normal men in America, know it’s true. They know it’s true … W hen God calls it an abomination, you know what an abomination means? [Yeah, it's like eating shellfish] It means something particularly detestable and it implies that it causes you to become nauseated … This is how normal people feel and they are basically forced to suppress those feelings because of the gay mafia and the degree to which they will try to destroy anybody who won’t go along.” www.rightwingwatch.org/post/e-w-jackson-pete-buttigieg-wants-to-turn-america-into-a-homocracy/Word for the day, boys, girls and enbys: "Can everybody say HO-MO-CRACY?"
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Post by lucyg on Apr 18, 2019 5:47:20 GMT
You know what, I watched this entire clip, and I don’t think she came off nearly as awful as the headline makes her out to be. She wasn’t frothing, she was speaking fairly reasonably about what she sees as stumbling blocks to his candidacy. She specifically said the number one issue was his age, and that she didn’t see his sexuality as a major problem. OTOH, she did use some loaded language, so maybe I’m being unreasonably reasonable here. There was disagreement with her POV from the other (liberal and conservative) analysts on the panel, but it was a rational discussion overall. I just wanted to say that for those who read the tweet and move on. I think the tweet and the crooksandliars headline are misleading.
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Post by lizacreates on Apr 18, 2019 13:03:40 GMT
“A big old smack in the mouth between two men,” groused Jackson. “A normal man is disgusted by the idea of two men kissing each other on the mouth. A normal man is disgusted by that. [As a "normal woman", I am disgusted by the thought of Trump and Melania. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to have sex though] People can try to be politically correct all they want, but a normal man is disgusted by it because it is not what God made us for, it is not the way we are wired, it is not what we are made for.” “They do this publicly because they want to wear down the sense of disgust that people feel, they want to erode it,” he continued. “I don’t even want to see that. I really don’t. It’s disgusting and all the men in America, all the normal men in America, know it’s true. They know it’s true … W hen God calls it an abomination, you know what an abomination means? [Yeah, it's like eating shellfish] It means something particularly detestable and it implies that it causes you to become nauseated … This is how normal people feel and they are basically forced to suppress those feelings because of the gay mafia and the degree to which they will try to destroy anybody who won’t go along.” www.rightwingwatch.org/post/e-w-jackson-pete-buttigieg-wants-to-turn-america-into-a-homocracy/Word for the day, boys, girls and enbys: "Can everybody say HO-MO-CRACY?" It’s 2019. Seriously. If this pastor is having a fit over this, he would have had a stroke if he had seen my town’s mayor-elect – a black lesbian who on her victory day kissed her white wife on the lips. It ticks off all the boxes on any right-wing zealot’s trigger list. Some people just need to get over it and accept the fact that the pursuit of happiness is a basic, unalienable human right afforded to ALL.
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Post by Skellinton on Apr 18, 2019 13:06:04 GMT
TFS. Fortunately most Christians I know agree with Buttigieg in what Jesus is saying and how to interpret the Bible. I for one,still can’t wrap my head around how anyone claiming to be Christian can support Trump. He is the antithesis of what the Bible says a Christian is no matter what interpretation you subscribe to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 13:10:12 GMT
Randall Terry from "Operation Rescue" performed and hired actors to perform as Mayor Pete, Jesus and Satan to remind everyone that gays make his version of Jesus cry.
Terry also attended Buttigieg's 1,600-person rally on Tuesday evening in Des Moines where he yelled, "Remember Sodom and Gomorrah, Pete! Sodom and Gomorrah!"
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Post by peasapie on Apr 18, 2019 13:11:25 GMT
Once I saw Pete a few weeks ago, no other candidate came close in my mind. He’s smart, well spoken, courageous and educated. He has experience in the military and is a scholar as well. For the first time in a lonnnng time, I want to work for a candidate’s campaign.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 13:13:21 GMT
TFS. Fortunately most Christians I know agree with Buttigieg in what Jesus is saying and how to interpret the Bible. I for one,still can’t wrap my head around how anyone claiming to be Christian can support Trump. He is the antithesis of what the Bible says a Christian is no matter what interpretation you subscribe to. This is the Christ TOO MANY in America have morphed Jesus into - one who hates gay sex but couldn't give a sh#($ about human suffering. It was PAUL who said "If he not work, then he not eat". Jesus was the one always trying to find ways to shame the rich into doing more. But not in their bibles.
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