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Post by lisae on Apr 16, 2019 12:03:15 GMT
I've said this before. The purpose of the primary is for the party to select its nominee. I don't believe in open primaries and I don't believe in switching. Pick a party that most closely aligns with your values and stick to it.
I get what you are trying to do but I agree with others that you need to help the party you prefer pick its best candidate. Unless someone with huge backing comes along to challenge Trump, he will be the Republican nominee. Facing the reality of Trump, his supporters and his way of campaigning is the only way we will help a Democrat win in 2020.
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Post by carly1030 on Apr 16, 2019 12:31:10 GMT
So you think you are the only one who is smart enough to think of that? Haha Go Creepy Joe!
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Post by jennyap on Apr 16, 2019 12:54:16 GMT
I think it's bizarre that you have to register for a particular party in the first place. Here we just vote on the day for whoever we want who is on the ballot. You can't directly compare, because the electoral systems are pretty different, but the nearest thing to this for you is the election of a party leader (Google tells me you call it a 'leadership spill').
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Post by gar on Apr 16, 2019 12:56:13 GMT
So you think you are the only one who is smart enough to think of that? Haha Go Creepy Joe! Why do you think she thinks that?
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Post by Merge on Apr 16, 2019 12:57:07 GMT
Noooooo. That's how we end up with the craziest possible Democratic opponent. There is zero chance that Weld will win the nomination as Trump for President and the RNC are now one in the same. Please don't waste your primary vote. Use it to vote for the best Democratic candidate. Really? I feel like oodles of people are SUPER PISSED about having a “President Trump” in America right now. I don’t see how knocking him out during the primary is a bad thing? Then maybe we can have a “normal” election again in this country. And then perhaps, whoever wins can actual govern and shit will get done again in the country. Hopefully for everyone’s betterment and not just the Uber wealthy. It doesn't matter how pissed people are. Trump has the financial backing of the RNC. He enjoys high approval ratings within his own party. He will be their nominee. As one of our conservative members has pointed out above, it's also possible for them to cross party lines in the primary and try to push the nomination of a Democrat who is less likely to beat Trump. They have no need to vote in their own primary because Trump's nomination is a given. We should assume that will happen and make sure we vote in sufficient numbers to dilute whatever impact cross-party sabotage voters might have. We need to make sure we are voting in our own primary for a candidate who can beat Trump. That is our best chance of winning in 2020.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 13:02:03 GMT
As one of our conservative members has pointed out above, it's also possible for them to cross party lines in the primary and try to push the nomination of a Democrat who is less likely to beat Trump. They have no need to vote in their own primary because Trump's nomination is a given. We should assume that will happen and make sure we vote in sufficient numbers to dilute whatever impact cross-party sabotage voters might have. We need to make sure we are voting in our own primary for a candidate who can beat Trump. That is our best chance of winning in 2020. Maybe. Maybe not. If tons of GOP and independents come out in the first few primaries for Weld, I can picture Trump "stepping down" due to health reasons.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Apr 16, 2019 13:04:17 GMT
How did we get here? I'm blown away that at the end of the Mueller report, we're not talking resignation or impeachment, but instead we're talking about the very real possibility of Trump being the 2020 nominee. This blows my mind sometimes.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Apr 16, 2019 13:07:20 GMT
As one of our conservative members has pointed out above, it's also possible for them to cross party lines in the primary and try to push the nomination of a Democrat who is less likely to beat Trump. They have no need to vote in their own primary because Trump's nomination is a given. We should assume that will happen and make sure we vote in sufficient numbers to dilute whatever impact cross-party sabotage voters might have. We need to make sure we are voting in our own primary for a candidate who can beat Trump. That is our best chance of winning in 2020. Maybe. Maybe not. If tons of GOP and independents come out in the first few primaries for Weld, I can picture Trump "stepping down" due to health reasons. I could never ever see him blaming his health. Maybe resigning due to the dangerous "deep state" closing in or some other nonsense, but never anything that devalues himself in any way. He's too narcissistic.
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Post by Merge on Apr 16, 2019 13:09:06 GMT
As one of our conservative members has pointed out above, it's also possible for them to cross party lines in the primary and try to push the nomination of a Democrat who is less likely to beat Trump. They have no need to vote in their own primary because Trump's nomination is a given. We should assume that will happen and make sure we vote in sufficient numbers to dilute whatever impact cross-party sabotage voters might have. We need to make sure we are voting in our own primary for a candidate who can beat Trump. That is our best chance of winning in 2020. Maybe. Maybe not. If tons of GOP and independents come out in the first few primaries for Weld, I can picture Trump "stepping down" due to health reasons. Remember: he has like 80% approval within his own party. This is not realistic IMO. The conservatives we know who are disgusted by him are a small minority. Most love him or will at least tolerate him because they like his policies. And I do not believe that a narcissist like him will step down, ever.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Apr 16, 2019 13:11:37 GMT
Maybe. Maybe not. If tons of GOP and independents come out in the first few primaries for Weld, I can picture Trump "stepping down" due to health reasons. Remember: he has like 80% approval within his own party. This is not realistic IMO. And I do not believe that a narcissist like him will step down. I actually can see him stepping down if impeachment proceedings looked promising or indictments came down in an, "I wasn't fired, I quit" move in order to save face.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 13:14:25 GMT
Maybe. Maybe not. If tons of GOP and independents come out in the first few primaries for Weld, I can picture Trump "stepping down" due to health reasons. Remember: he has like 80% approval within his own party. This is not realistic IMO. The conservatives we know who are disgusted by him are a small minority. Most love him or will at least tolerate him because they like his policies. And I do not believe that a narcissist like him will step down, ever. As I said above, that's because some GOP no longer identify as GOP but as independents due to their disgust w/Trump. He has shrunk the GOP to closer and closer to his own base only. Pushing out the moderate GOP into independents.
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Post by Merge on Apr 16, 2019 13:56:43 GMT
Remember: he has like 80% approval within his own party. This is not realistic IMO. The conservatives we know who are disgusted by him are a small minority. Most love him or will at least tolerate him because they like his policies. And I do not believe that a narcissist like him will step down, ever. As I said above, that's because some GOP no longer identify as GOP but as independents due to their disgust w/Trump. He has shrunk the GOP to closer and closer to his own base only. Pushing out the moderate GOP into independents. I think it's a little wishful thinking on our part that these people make up a large number of likely voters - especially primary voters. But time will tell.
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Post by Judie in Oz on Apr 16, 2019 14:04:02 GMT
I think it's bizarre that you have to register for a particular party in the first place. Here we just vote on the day for whoever we want who is on the ballot. You can't directly compare, because the electoral systems are pretty different, but the nearest thing to this for you is the election of a party leader (Google tells me you call it a 'leadership spill'). A leadership spill is when elected members of the party decide that they have no confidence in the incumbent. I hate that it happens while that incumbent is the Prime Minister.
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Post by pierkiss on Apr 16, 2019 14:04:30 GMT
Really? I feel like oodles of people are SUPER PISSED about having a “President Trump” in America right now. I don’t see how knocking him out during the primary is a bad thing? Then maybe we can have a “normal” election again in this country. And then perhaps, whoever wins can actual govern and shit will get done again in the country. Hopefully for everyone’s betterment and not just the Uber wealthy. It doesn't matter how pissed people are. Trump has the financial backing of the RNC. He enjoys high approval ratings within his own party. He will be their nominee. As one of our conservative members has pointed out above, it's also possible for them to cross party lines in the primary and try to push the nomination of a Democrat who is less likely to beat Trump. They have no need to vote in their own primary because Trump's nomination is a given. We should assume that will happen and make sure we vote in sufficient numbers to dilute whatever impact cross-party sabotage voters might have. We need to make sure we are voting in our own primary for a candidate who can beat Trump. That is our best chance of winning in 2020. If there is a republican challenger to Trump in the primaries, how is his nomination a given? I realize that the RNC has already stated they will back Trump, but if he loses in the primaries, that won’t really matter will it? Also the RNC started their support for him before anyone else came forward to challenge him. Maybe this will change that?
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Post by Just T on Apr 16, 2019 14:10:03 GMT
f there is a republican challenger to Trump in the primaries, how is his nomination a given? I realize that the RNC has already stated they will back Trump, but if he loses in the primaries, that won’t really matter will it? Also the RNC started their support for him before anyone else came forward to challenge him. Maybe this will change that? I think I read this somewhere not too long ago, but every time an incumbent president has been challenged in the primaries and lost to him, the person who beat the incumbent president did not win the election. Does anyone know if that is true, or did I make that up? LOL I honestly don't see anyone beating Trump in the primaries, though. Every single person I know who voted for him is more than happy with the job he is doing, and thinks he will go down as one of the greatest presidents ever. I'm sure there are those out there who are NOT happy with him and would love to have a different candidate, but I don't know if it's enough to beat out Trump. I can't even imagine who could at this point.
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Post by jennyap on Apr 16, 2019 14:14:19 GMT
You can't directly compare, because the electoral systems are pretty different, but the nearest thing to this for you is the election of a party leader (Google tells me you call it a 'leadership spill'). A leadership spill is when elected members of the party decide that they have no confidence in the incumbent. I hate that it happens while that incumbent is the Prime Minister. Ah ok, I misread and thought that was a leadership challenge. What do you call it when a party leader steps down and you have to choose a new one?
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Post by hop2 on Apr 16, 2019 14:48:24 GMT
I've said this before. The purpose of the primary is for the party to select its nominee. I don't believe in open primaries and I don't believe in switching. Pick a party that most closely aligns with your values and stick to it. I get what you are trying to do but I agree with others that you need to help the party you prefer pick its best candidate. Unless someone with huge backing comes along to challenge Trump, he will be the Republican nominee. Facing the reality of Trump, his supporters and his way of campaigning is the only way we will help a Democrat win in 2020. I don’t always align with the same party. I used to align more with Republicans but they have abandoned the things I value that they were supposed/used to value/lied about valuing. I can’t say I align well with Democrats but I have switched to Democrat in the past ( to vote for Lieberman of all people ) I reset to undeclared after primary day every year and I reserve the right to continue to choose whom I align best with each year/election as my state allows. I aligned most with the Republicans in 2017 for the NJ primary ( NJ Governor ) but I aligned more with the Democrats in 2018 for our primary senate race. I’m a moderate and a leading persons plans & values can sway me a little bit way or the other. Frankly I feel that the Republican party has betrayed me so I ‘had’ to switch. I can’t imagine never being allowed to switch that would be insane. I’m going to continue to align & realign myself as need be and as allowed. In the future that might be a 3rd party but right now it’s not. By the time the primary makes its way to my state my choice might not matter anyway. It rarely does. In 2016 it was still up in the air when the Primary got to NJ, maybe it will matter again in 2020? Who can say until then.
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Post by Merge on Apr 16, 2019 14:50:44 GMT
It doesn't matter how pissed people are. Trump has the financial backing of the RNC. He enjoys high approval ratings within his own party. He will be their nominee. As one of our conservative members has pointed out above, it's also possible for them to cross party lines in the primary and try to push the nomination of a Democrat who is less likely to beat Trump. They have no need to vote in their own primary because Trump's nomination is a given. We should assume that will happen and make sure we vote in sufficient numbers to dilute whatever impact cross-party sabotage voters might have. We need to make sure we are voting in our own primary for a candidate who can beat Trump. That is our best chance of winning in 2020. If there is a republican challenger to Trump in the primaries, how is his nomination a given? I realize that the RNC has already stated they will back Trump, but if he loses in the primaries, that won’t really matter will it? Also the RNC started their support for him before anyone else came forward to challenge him. Maybe this will change that? No - the Trump re-election campaign has already combined with the RNC. They will not be lending support to a challenger. www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/12/18/trump-machine-swallows-rnc-1067875
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Post by freebird on Apr 16, 2019 15:06:24 GMT
I'm already registered as a Republican. I don't like the idea of people switching parties to mess with the other party's primary.
Well... if this is the game we're going to play, then game on.
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Post by lizacreates on Apr 16, 2019 15:39:09 GMT
How can a pro-choice, pro-immigration centre-right Republican primary Trump who’s polling at 80%+ amongst registered Republicans. If it was Kasich I might believe it. But Weld? FTR, I hope he does succeed, and I hope I'm wrong. Maybe because a lot of those disgusted are no longer registered as Republicans, but now identify as "independents". Maybe a lot of them will go back to the GOP if it regains some modicum of rationality, decorum and sanity? I have to say you’ve made me think long and hard. He has a fair chance in NH because of the number of independents but not in IA, and certainly not in red states that are solidly Trump. The suburban GOP Never Trumpers along with independents gave us the House in 2018 so they might go with Weld; however, incumbency and the economy are on Trump’s side. Trump has held on tight to his base but he hasn’t grown it; however, what is Weld’s base? He’s a David Brooks/George Will/William F Buckley-type Republican. The GOP isn’t that anymore and hasn't been in a long time. They’ve shifted farther and farther to the right, and Weld is center. I hear where you’re coming from, Z, but I’m just not seeing where it’s viable. In any case, I sure do hope you're right.
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