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Post by librarylady on Apr 17, 2019 23:36:48 GMT
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Post by leftturnonly on Apr 17, 2019 23:47:25 GMT
Would you mind summarizing what it is that you want us to see? Your link leads to a bunch of other links, and I'm just not sure what you're pointing us to. Thanks.
FWIW - I've long said on this board that the commercials are deceptive. For example, when the commercial with the guy in the lederhosen found out he wasn't German, there was no ethnicity labeled German from these tests.
The maps are where the truth ethnic value of where your ancestors were maybe 500 years ago. Even as Ancestry has been able to improve their accuracy through testing so many more people, the maps have always been good.
For finding people you are related to, it is a proven source. DNA tests are also unequaled in proving/disproving genetic heritage from a particular family.
We haven't had a good genealogy thread here in quite a while, so if anyone has any questions, this may be a good time to ask.
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Post by rodeomom on Apr 17, 2019 23:53:09 GMT
That's why they are call Ethnicity Estimate. And they WILL change over time as more people test. But yes the commercials are deceptive.
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Post by librarylady on Apr 20, 2019 13:55:25 GMT
In essence, what the video link says, is that the tests don't really tell which nation/country/area of the world you are from--but your tests match __% of the people from that area who have tested. (a subtle difference)
That is why many people got back a result 10 years ago, and now it is updated to reflect a different percentage from that area of the world.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 14:55:47 GMT
My family just does it the old fashioned way lol By going through records, newspaper articles, ect. That led us to paintings by a distant relative in France.
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Post by Restless Spirit on Apr 20, 2019 15:45:56 GMT
Interesting video. It confirms my own research about these tests.
I have been reading a lot about the accuracy/reliability of these home DNA tests. I also attended a local lecture. Across the board, the news is not good. These companies have no standards for testing, are not regulated in any way and each service uses its own proprietary database of DNA samples (often very, very small samples), looking at very selective genetic variations resulting in skewed results . Sending samples to different companies will most certainly yield different results, sometimes very, very different. Even within the same company, the results will shift has more people test or the company changes their algorithms. For example, I tested at Ancestry.com. A recent update to my test results resulted in one country increasing a lot, with 4 other areas dropping off completely. (Good bye, Italian ancestors. Ha)
Frankly, I'm surprised the government hasn't stepped in to offer some oversight and insist the tests be labeled "For Entertainment Purposes Only". Yes, they are fun to look at, but should be met with great skepticism. I'm in several FB Genealogy groups and some people have found the DNA tests to be helpful in identifying a new country or area to search for ancestors, which is helpful. Beyond that, I look at them and think "Eh. So what." Knowing what I know now, I doubt I'd spend the money on a home DNA test again.
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Post by leftturnonly on Apr 20, 2019 20:21:24 GMT
In essence, what the video link says, is that the tests don't really tell which nation/country/area of the world you are from--but your tests match __% of the people from that area who have tested. (a subtle difference) That is why many people got back a result 10 years ago, and now it is updated to reflect a different percentage from that area of the world. The mapping results have greatly improved just within the past several years as millions more people have tested. The ethnic categories were extremely misleading if you didn't open the maps to see what areas where included in a particular ethnicity. For example, you do not expect to see Swiss heritage show up as Italian/Greek as it did for a long time. BUT... if you looked at the map, Switzerland was included in that category. And some areas of the globe either weren't sampled at all or more people continue to be sampled. To be a comparison sample, a person has to have a very long, documented history to a specific area from both mother and father and all of their ancestors going back hundreds of years. Some countries, like Germany, that have seen massive changes in their population over and over and over may not have much of a sample base to compare modern results to. So... yes and no. The tests have become more ethnically specific, but they will always face a limit in what they can show. These generic ethnicity breakdowns really tell you where at least one or more of your ancestors probably were several hundred years ago. (Longer ago than most documentation.) Anyone who works with probability a lot, like a mathematician or a scientist, for example, can understand exactly what these test have always shown. But, I don't think most people typically think in those shades of grey all the time and so the constant updating appears to them to be giving much different answers than they got originally. These DNA tests are really interesting in that they are both absolute and probable at the same time. People you are closely related to match to you at such a high probability that it becomes absolute. The further the relationship between people, the less DNA they share and the more the laws of chance become apparent.
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Post by leftturnonly on Apr 20, 2019 20:48:31 GMT
For example, I tested at Ancestry.com. A recent update to my test results resulted in one country increasing a lot, with 4 other areas dropping off completely. (Good bye, Italian ancestors. Ha) Yeah, I had the same thing happen to me. <shrug> See my post above why my results are now more accurate. If you want to talk about government regulation.... eh. The commercial with the guy in the lederhosen was cute, but it really did skirt the line of being false advertising. After all, his ancestors could have been Scots that migrated to Germany, as many did, and the tests did not disprove that his ancestors had lived in Germany. A newer commercial is much more accurate to what you can find. In this one, a man had always believed himself to be Italian but learned he was Eastern European. He was then able to find a photo of an ancestor from the site that bears a very strong likeness to himself. Again, though, his ancestors could have lived in Italy for quite some time and the tests did not disprove that. These particular DNA tests are not accepted in a court of law, as there is no control over who spits into the tube, but they damn sure can prove that a person is your parent, and law enforcement has begun using them to help solve crimes. I had to explain to someone that her mother did not lie to her, that the man her mother said was her father actually IS her father based on how he matched other people who had taken the same test. (I was one he matched.) She was convinced her mother had lied because the father's surname is Polish and she showed no Polish ethnicity. <----- point of the OPI don't know anything about where the name came from or how long ago it originated, but I am 100% certain that the name is correct and that he is her father based on a lot of other data.
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Post by sues on Apr 20, 2019 23:40:58 GMT
My daughter and husband took a DNA test. We didn't expect anything but what we got, really. We're super white people that came from super white people in the UK and Europe. It was just a curiosity, I guess. I was secretly hoping there was a surprise- like Italian. But then when the tests were linked up to other family members that had also taken the test- we found out DH was the subject of a nasty bit of family gossip. We only found out because the DNA test proved the gossip wrong, and someone made an offhand remark about it. A couple of questions later, we found out about 20 years worth of really nasty accusations and speculation. His family is usually sort of fractured, but at that point, everyone was starting to come back together. (Insert sound of screeching brakes.) Not anymore. It's kind of strange that some families get thrown up for grabs when DNA tests turn out positive for a parent/child match. For DH's family, it was a weird version of the opposite.
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Post by librarylady on Apr 21, 2019 19:44:03 GMT
We did our testing at Family Tree DNA. It is a scientific project that has a goal of tracing the human migration over the planet...goal to find the real origin of man/humans.
It is interesting to see how our blood line moved over the planet.
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Post by librarylady on Apr 21, 2019 19:46:14 GMT
On a side note....Family Tree DNA testing required that we swab our inside cheek tissue with a large q-tip, pop it into the tube and mail it off. I wonder why ancestry has to have saliva.
I read that ancestry has a storage problem with all the tubes of saliva.
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