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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 15:47:28 GMT
MSNBC... ”@nbcnews analysis: Starting on PDF page 419 through page 439 are the special counsel’s questions to President Trump and his written responses with his signature.” Let me summarize his answers for you "I have no recollection". Kind of like that other great paragon of US Justice, Berto Gonzalez.
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Post by dewryce on Apr 18, 2019 15:48:40 GMT
MSNBC... ”Mueller report: “We also sought a voluntary interview with the President. After more than a year of discussion, the President declined to be interviewed.” What is he hiding? That is considered full cooperation?
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Post by kmcginn on Apr 18, 2019 16:07:14 GMT
Just pre-ordered mine for my NOOK. Can't wait. It should be very interesting!
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Post by lizacreates on Apr 18, 2019 16:08:14 GMT
Barr: The Special Counsel also investigated whether any member or affiliate of the Trump campaign encouraged or otherwise played a role in these dissemination efforts. Under applicable law, publication of these types of materials would not be criminal unless the publisher also participated in the underlying hacking conspiracy. Here too, the Special Counsel's report did not find that any person associated with the Trump campaign illegally participated in the dissemination of the materials.
The president is not a journalist or publisher whose work product is protected by the First Amendment. Once you knowingly and willfully participate in any manner to further an unlawful plan, you are part of the conspiracy notwithstanding absence of any express or tacit agreement. If Barr asserts that Mueller did not find evidence of conspiracy, somebody has to explain to the public the intent behind the myriad contacts and machinations of Papadopoulos, Cohen, Kushner, Manafort, Don Jr, Flynn, Dearborn, Stone et al WITH Mifsud,Kislyak, Sater, Goldstone, Veselnitskaya, Kilimnik, Gorkov,Timofeev et al. Were all of these just coincidences? Absurd.
And I’ll have to repeat myself that obstruction is prosecuted independent of the merits of any underlying case or crime. Barr has to explain, since he seems hell-bent on explaining just about everything exculpatory of the president, exactly why he believes there is absence of corrupt intent in the firing of Comey, harassment of Sessions for recusing himself, ordering the firing of Mueller, pre-emptive obfuscation of the purpose of the Trump Tower meeting, etc. Just because an investigation was concluded without impediment does NOT prove that attempts to impede it – attempted obstruction - were not present.
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Post by PLurker on Apr 18, 2019 16:08:44 GMT
Because that is exactly what an innocent man would say...
...to God's ears.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 16:17:18 GMT
ABC News...
”NEW: Mueller report cites multiple instances of Pres. Trump speaking with then-AG Sessions about reversing his recusal to take over Russia probe “and supervise it in a way that could restrict its scope”
“MORE: “A reasonable inference from those statements and the President’s action is that an unrecused Attorney General would play a protective role and could shield the President from the ongoing Russia investigation,” the report states.”
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Post by PLurker on Apr 18, 2019 16:25:29 GMT
I didn't need a report to tell me this POTUS is a POS, yet here we are.
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Post by pierkiss on Apr 18, 2019 16:28:31 GMT
I’m pretty sure Trump is the OJ Simpson of this age. The prosecutors couldn’t put the bloody knife into Simpson’s hands, therefore he got off Scott free. The same thing is happening with Trump.
I hope Congress enacts a bunch of laws to make everything that Trump and his campaign did illegal. So that when this happens again in future elections, he won’t evade justice so easily.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 18, 2019 16:33:50 GMT
Well I have through pages 182, and Appendex A B C(?) but the rest of the pages don't show but says I have downloaded 448. I have no clue............
In essence I have intro and Collision.......
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 16:37:11 GMT
Ari Melber...
”Mueller Report: En route to LaGuardia Airport in late summer 2016, candidate Trump takes a phone call, and then tells Rick Gates "more releases of damaging information would be coming" from Wikileaks.”
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 18, 2019 16:39:49 GMT
Weaselly! 😂😂😂
I am going to use the word that word more when talking about this administration now.
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Post by dewryce on Apr 18, 2019 16:40:36 GMT
Ari Melber... ”Mueller Report: En route to LaGuardia Airport in late summer 2016, candidate Trump takes a phone call, and then tells Rick Gates "more releases of damaging information would be coming" from Wikileaks.” That’s where I’m at in the report. A LOT of info is redacted about the Trump Campaign disseminating stolen info due to “Harm to Ongoing Matter.” I’m not sure what investigation specifically they are referring to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 16:40:45 GMT
The Associated Press...
”Mueller says Trump's efforts to influence Russia investigation "were mostly unsuccessful," because the people surrounding the president "declined to carry out orders to accede to his requests."
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 18, 2019 16:41:12 GMT
Because that is exactly what an innocent man would say... ...to God's ears. And Michelle Bachmann’s.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 18, 2019 16:46:31 GMT
That’s where I’m at in the report. A LOT of info is redacted about the Trump Campaign disseminating stolen info due to “Harm to Ongoing Matter.” I’m not sure what investigation specifically they are referring to. SDNY Trump org..., maybe also campaign too dewryce Bob, Washington DC: Does Barr have any jurisdiction over the Southern District? Can he look at the cases investigating Trump world? Yes. The Attorney General is the head of the Justice Department, and the Southern District is part of the Justice Department. So Barr certainly has the ability to review and direct the Southern District in its Mueller spin-off investigations of potential campaign finance violations, the Trump Organization and the Trump inaugural committee. www.cnn.com/2019/04/16/opinions/mueller-report-five-key-words-honig/index.html
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Post by Just T on Apr 18, 2019 16:56:15 GMT
”NEW: Mueller report cites multiple instances of Pres. Trump speaking with then-AG Sessions about reversing his recusal to take over Russia probe “and supervise it in a way that could restrict its scope” Serious question from someone who isn't really up on political things but how in the heck is this NOT obstruction of justice?
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Post by PLurker on Apr 18, 2019 17:00:13 GMT
They say Jr didn't have the mental capacity to be held accountable.
'I-can-not-be-held-legally-responsible stupid' is the new 'affluenza'.
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Post by pierkiss on Apr 18, 2019 17:09:56 GMT
”NEW: Mueller report cites multiple instances of Pres. Trump speaking with then-AG Sessions about reversing his recusal to take over Russia probe “and supervise it in a way that could restrict its scope” Serious question from someone who isn't really up on political things but how in the heck is this NOT obstruction of justice? Because Sessions either refused to take action on Trumps demands/wishes, and because he didn’t actually go through with firing Mueller to stop the investigation. He didn’t actually ever cross the line. He tip-toed right up to it but didn’t cross it.
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Post by Just T on Apr 18, 2019 17:11:16 GMT
Serious question from someone who isn't really up on political things but how in the heck is this NOT obstruction of justice? Because Sessions either refused to take action on Trumps demands/wishes, and because he didn’t actually go through with firing Mueller to stop the investigation. He didn’t actually ever cross the line. He tip-toed right up to it but didn’t cross it. Oh, that makes sense. So it was attempted obstruction of justice.
Something else...if Trump did nothing wrong and it truly was a witch hunt like he has been screaming about for 2 years, why would he tell Sessions to un-recuse himself so he could limit the scope of the investigations? If you are innocent, you want a full investigation so you can prove your innocence. Not a limited investigation that is only going to invite more questions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 17:14:00 GMT
Kyle Griffin...
”P 216: "On June 17, 2017, the President called McGahn at home and directed him to call the Acting AG and say that the Special Counsel had conflicts of interest and must be removed. McGahn did not carry out the direction" fearing it'd trigger "a potential Saturday Night Massacre."
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Post by pierkiss on Apr 18, 2019 17:14:30 GMT
Because Sessions either refused to take action on Trumps demands/wishes, and because he didn’t actually go through with firing Mueller to stop the investigation. He didn’t actually ever cross the line. He tip-toed right up to it but didn’t cross it. Oh, that makes sense. So it was attempted obstruction of justice.
Something else...if Trump did nothing wrong and it truly was a witch hunt like he has been screaming about for 2 years, why would he tell Sessions to un-recuse himself so he could limit the scope of the investigations? If you are innocent, you want a full investigation so you can prove your innocence. Not a limited investigation that is only going to invite more questions.
Yep. And as far as I know it is not against the law.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 17:15:39 GMT
trump 15 minutes ago...
”As I have been saying all along, NO COLLUSION - NO OBSTRUCTION!”
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Post by lucyg on Apr 18, 2019 17:17:48 GMT
They say Jr didn't have the mental capacity to be held accountable. 'I-can-not-be-held-legally-responsible stupid' is the new 'affluenza'. Who is “they”? That’s not something that came up in the report, is it?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 17:18:35 GMT
Dan Pfeiffer..
”Large numbers of government officials including the President not being charged not because they didn't engage in wrongdoing but because the wrongdoing couldn't didn't meet a technical legal definition is not an ideal sign for the health of American democracy”
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 17:19:49 GMT
MSNBC...
”Upon learning of Special Counsel Mueller's appointment, President Trump said, "This is the end of my Presidency. I'm f***ed," according to the Mueller report.”
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Post by lucyg on Apr 18, 2019 17:21:20 GMT
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Post by lizacreates on Apr 18, 2019 17:22:42 GMT
Mueller: "While it may be more difficult to establish that public-facing acts were motivated by a corrupt intent, the President’s power to influence actions, persons, and the events is enhanced by his unique ability to attract attention through use of mass communications. And no principle of law excludes public acts from the scope of obstruction statutes. If the likely effect of the acts is to intimidate witnesses or alter their testimony, the justice system’s integrity is equally threatened.”
“The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the President's corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law.”
Mueller is not immunizing the president from obstruction of justice. In fact, he’s saying that the president’s public acts CAN be construed as obstruction due to the inherent power of the presidency, AND that Congress can actually do something about this.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 18, 2019 17:29:13 GMT
Ari Melber... ”Mueller Report: En route to LaGuardia Airport in late summer 2016, candidate Trump takes a phone call, and then tells Rick Gates "more releases of damaging information would be coming" from Wikileaks.” That’s where I’m at in the report. A LOT of info is redacted about the Trump Campaign disseminating stolen info due to “Harm to Ongoing Matter.” I’m not sure what investigation specifically they are referring to. Possibly the ongoing case against Roger Stone?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 18, 2019 17:31:04 GMT
Phillip Rucker... ”Barr says the White House and Trump's personal attorneys got an early look at the Mueller report.” That quote is extremely misleading since he conveniently fails to mention that they were given the same redacted version that will be released to congress and that Trump asserted no executive privilege to any part of the report. Desperation sure doesn’t wear well on those all in for trump.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 18, 2019 17:31:46 GMT
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