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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 18, 2019 17:33:33 GMT
Because that is exactly what an innocent man would say... ...to God's ears. No wonder all the comments being made in the last few days about trump worrying about what McGahn said.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 18, 2019 17:35:14 GMT
I look surprised, right?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 18, 2019 17:35:54 GMT
Well....just reading parts of the report, redacted and all things...
It’s crystal clear that Barr GROSSLY misrepresented what was in Mueller’s report.
Dude needs to resign, step down, be impeached. He clearly is trying to protect the president.
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Post by lizacreates on Apr 18, 2019 17:37:36 GMT
Mueller: "We noted, among other things, that the President stated on more than 30 occasions that he ‘does not 'recall' or 'remember' or have an 'independent recollection' of information called for by the questions. Other answers were ‘incomplete or imprecise."
“The written responses, we informed counsel, ‘demonstrate the inadequacy of the written format, as we have had no opportunity to ask follow-up questions that would ensure complete answers and potentially refresh your client's recollection or clarify the extent or nature of his lack of recollection…”
Of course Trump’s responses (actually, his lawyers’ responses) would be inadequate. Any defense atty knows that the best answer to give in order not to implicate yourself in a 1001 charge (lying to any US jurisdiction) is: “Can’t remember.”
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Post by lizacreates on Apr 18, 2019 17:42:18 GMT
McGahn couldn’t do it no matter how hard Trump pressed. That’s why McGahn threatened to quit; he’d rather quit than lose his license.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 17:46:27 GMT
Kyle Griffin...
“Page 302: "On June 19, 2017, the President met one-on-one with Corey Lewandowski in the Oval Office and dictated a message to be delivered to Attorney General Sessions that would have had the effect of limiting the Russia investigation to future election interference only."
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Post by moodyblue on Apr 18, 2019 17:47:41 GMT
trump 15 minutes ago... ”As I have been saying all along, NO COLLUSION - NO OBSTRUCTION!” Well, he certainly tried to obstruct!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 18, 2019 17:48:34 GMT
Her 'slip of tongue' comments sure do multiply! White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders acknowledged to investigators with special counsel Robert Mueller's team that she misled reporters when she insisted in May 2017 that "countless" FBI agents had lost confidence in former Director James Comey leading up to his dismissal. The special counsel's report, released Thursday, cited Sanders’s multiple false statements to reporters as part of its review of whether President Trump obstructed justice in firing Comey. Sanders told investigators that her misstatements were a "slip of the tongue,” and that the claims were not founded on anything. ** thehill.com/homenews/administration/439554-sarah-sanders-made-false-statements-to-press-on-comey-firing-muellerDt says liars must go. He needs to start with the closest to him, even better himself!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 18, 2019 17:55:59 GMT
trump 15 minutes ago... ”As I have been saying all along, NO COLLUSION - NO OBSTRUCTION!” Well, he certainly tried to obstruct! He did obstruct but not to the level of criminal conduct. Justice handles CRIMES, Congress could handle intent (?) maybe, or the accumulated instances of obstruction(?)... ETA: Mueller on obstruction: "Unable to conclude that no criminal conduct occurred"
"Obstruction by Trump failed because others refused to 'carry out orders'"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 17:57:53 GMT
Kyle Griffin...
”Page 288: "...the evidence does indicate that a thorough FBI investigation would uncover facts about the campaign and the President personally that the President could have understood to be crimes or that would give rise to personal and political concerns."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 18:20:18 GMT
Because that is exactly what an innocent man would say... Because that is exactly what an innocent man would say... Given the entire statement vs. the single cherry picked sentence... yes, it is. "This is the end of my presidency. I'm fucked." "Everyone tells me if you get one of these independent counsels it ruins your presidency. It takes years and years and I won't be able to do anything." It's amusing how you all shout from the rooftops about context and cherry picking when it shows something negative that you don't want shown, but you all have no problem with taking things out of context and cherry picking one sentence, or 8 seconds from an entire video to make an incorrect point. Oops, your hypocrisy is showing.
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Post by lizacreates on Apr 18, 2019 18:22:45 GMT
The reason Trump failed in his attempts to obstruct the investigation is because the people around him refused to implement his orders?
Criminal obstruction does not require success in implementation. No such thing. What it requires is corrupt endeavor irrespective of how the scheme unfolded.
Funny how Barr didn’t mention this in his summary/not summary.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 18, 2019 18:23:59 GMT
I look surprised, right? I know, right!!!!
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Post by sleepingbooty on Apr 18, 2019 18:28:51 GMT
F*ck me, Andrew Torrez of the Opening Arguments podcast was right about how misleading Barr was being (he talked at length about the language Barr used) and how damning (after all) this report would be. I highly recommend listening to the new episode Opening Arguments will be dropping and their Twitter feed. Footnote 112, eep. If you aren't following their Yodel Mountain segments on the Mueller investigation yet, you've been missing out.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 18, 2019 18:29:20 GMT
Because that is exactly what an innocent man would say... Because that is exactly what an innocent man would say... Given the entire statement vs. the single cherry picked sentence... yes, it is. "This is the end of my presidency. I'm fucked." "Everyone tells me if you get one of these independent counsels it ruins your presidency. It takes years and years and I won't be able to do anything." It's amusing how you all shout from the rooftops about context and cherry picking when it shows something negative that you don't want shown, but you all have no problem with taking things out of context and cherry picking one sentence, or 8 seconds from an entire video to make an incorrect point. Oops, your hypocrisy is showing. Of course Gia is right--Because what innocent person ever makes that kind of statement.
The only hypocrite in your quoting a post, is YOU being hypocritical, being the worst of the cherry picking peas on this board! The poster you quoted DID in FACT quote the ENTIRE statement, including what you are alluding to her leaving out. She highlighted one sentence and made a very specific comment to that sentence and not the entire statement. You are such a fool. You want context Gia, READ THE PARTS OF THE REPORT THAT WERE RELEASED TODAY. Barr, at a minimum, GROSSLY MISREPRESENTED what Mueller's report stated. FACT. Given the entire read today, it is clearer than ever that trump obstruction happened. And again by Barr. It's downright HILARIOUS that you and the other trump apologists come out with such desperate measures.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 18:39:40 GMT
Caroline Orr...
”This is big: Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr was a backchannel for the White House. He apparently passed along information about the FBI investigation to White House counsel Don McGahn, who passed it along to Trump.”
“It's not exactly shocking to learn that Sen. Burr was quietly helping Trump/WH. He was a Trump campaign adviser and in the earliest days of the Russia investigation, the White House enlisted his help to call media outlets & dispute reporting on Trump-Russia connections.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 18, 2019 18:45:15 GMT
Caroline Orr... ”This is big: Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr was a backchannel for the White House. He apparently passed along information about the FBI investigation to White House counsel Don McGahn, who passed it along to Trump.” “It's not exactly shocking to learn that Sen. Burr was quietly helping Trump/WH. He was a Trump campaign adviser and in the earliest days of the Russia investigation, the White House enlisted his help to call media outlets & dispute reporting on Trump-Russia connections.” Wonder how Schiff Warner will proceed? Must be hard to know the person sitting next to you is passing all the info on.... So it was not all Nunes! Were he a true patriot, McConnell would take action against Burr.
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Post by PLurker on Apr 18, 2019 18:57:02 GMT
They say Jr didn't have the mental capacity to be held accountable. 'I-can-not-be-held-legally-responsible stupid' is the new 'affluenza'. Who is “they”? That’s not something that came up in the report, is it? sorry for not getting back to you right away and not being more clear. In and out of naps after dental procedure. It wasn't in Mueller report (to my knowledge) I don't have a link but read it more than once somewhere(s) that an insider (CIA I think) said it was probably why he wasn't charged yet. so take it with a grain of salt. I just found it an odd almost humorous way of finding no intent. stupidity.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 19:06:22 GMT
Given the entire statement vs. the single cherry picked sentence... yes, it is. "This is the end of my presidency. I'm fucked." "Everyone tells me if you get one of these independent counsels it ruins your presidency. It takes years and years and I won't be able to do anything." It's amusing how you all shout from the rooftops about context and cherry picking when it shows something negative that you don't want shown, but you all have no problem with taking things out of context and cherry picking one sentence, or 8 seconds from an entire video to make an incorrect point. Oops, your hypocrisy is showing. Of course Gia is right--Because what innocent person ever makes that kind of statement.
The only hypocrite in your quoting a post, is YOU being hypocritical, being the worst of the cherry picking peas on this board! The poster you quoted DID in FACT quote the ENTIRE statement, including what you are alluding to her leaving out. She highlighted one sentence and made a very specific comment to that sentence and not the entire statement. You are such a fool. You want context Gia, READ THE PARTS OF THE REPORT THAT WERE RELEASED TODAY. Barr, at a minimum, GROSSLY MISREPRESENTED what Mueller's report stated. FACT. Given the entire read today, it is clearer than ever that trump obstruction happened. And again by Barr. It's downright HILARIOUS that you and the other trump apologists come out with such desperate measures. Rainbow, you know damn well I'm only responding to this one claim based on this single sentence. It doesn't matter that the other was included, her point was about the one single sentence that was highlighted. That's all she wanted anyone to focus on, or she would have highlighted the rest of it too and you know it, Rainbow.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 18, 2019 19:06:31 GMT
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Post by thundergal on Apr 18, 2019 19:07:43 GMT
I've never been on team "Start the Impeachment Proceedings".
Until now.
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Post by coffeetalk on Apr 18, 2019 19:17:45 GMT
Caroline Orr... ”This is big: Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr was a backchannel for the White House. He apparently passed along information about the FBI investigation to White House counsel Don McGahn, who passed it along to Trump.” “It's not exactly shocking to learn that Sen. Burr was quietly helping Trump/WH. He was a Trump campaign adviser and in the earliest days of the Russia investigation, the White House enlisted his help to call media outlets & dispute reporting on Trump-Russia connections.” Wonder how Schiff will proceed? Must be hard to know the person sitting next to you is passing all the info on.... So it was not all Nunes! Were he a true patriot, McConnell would take action against Burr. Sen. Mark Warner (vice chair) is the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee serving with Burr. I'm sure Warner is pissed!
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Post by PLurker on Apr 18, 2019 19:22:36 GMT
Given the entire statement vs. the single cherry picked sentence... yes, it is. "This is the end of my presidency. I'm fucked." "Everyone tells me if you get one of these independent counsels it ruins your presidency. It takes years and years and I won't be able to do anything." It's amusing how you all shout from the rooftops about context and cherry picking when it shows something negative that you don't want shown, but you all have no problem with taking things out of context and cherry picking one sentence, or 8 seconds from an entire video to make an incorrect point. Oops, your hypocrisy is showing. Of course Gia is right--Because what innocent person ever makes that kind of statement.
The only hypocrite in your quoting a post, is YOU being hypocritical, being the worst of the cherry picking peas on this board! The poster you quoted DID in FACT quote the ENTIRE statement, including what you are alluding to her leaving out. She highlighted one sentence and made a very specific comment to that sentence and not the entire statement. You are such a fool. You want context Gia, READ THE PARTS OF THE REPORT THAT WERE RELEASED TODAY. Barr, at a minimum, GROSSLY MISREPRESENTED what Mueller's report stated. FACT. Given the entire read today, it is clearer than ever that trump obstruction happened. And again by Barr. It's downright HILARIOUS that you and the other trump apologists come out with such desperate measures. To be clear, Colbert did the hightlighting but it was what I was commenting on. And for the record, I stand by it even including the rest of the statement. To my recollection, multiple presidencies have been under investigation for l o n g periods of time and weren't declared "fucked" and "over". I am again not linking to back it up... thus the "to my recollection." back to nap time.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 18, 2019 19:44:18 GMT
Interesting...
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 18, 2019 19:50:35 GMT
Of course Gia is right--Because what innocent person ever makes that kind of statement.
The only hypocrite in your quoting a post, is YOU being hypocritical, being the worst of the cherry picking peas on this board! The poster you quoted DID in FACT quote the ENTIRE statement, including what you are alluding to her leaving out. She highlighted one sentence and made a very specific comment to that sentence and not the entire statement. You are such a fool. You want context Gia, READ THE PARTS OF THE REPORT THAT WERE RELEASED TODAY. Barr, at a minimum, GROSSLY MISREPRESENTED what Mueller's report stated. FACT. Given the entire read today, it is clearer than ever that trump obstruction happened. And again by Barr. It's downright HILARIOUS that you and the other trump apologists come out with such desperate measures. Rainbow, you know damn well I'm only responding to this one claim based on this single sentence. It doesn't matter that the other was included, her point was about the one single sentence that was highlighted. That's all she wanted anyone to focus on, or she would have highlighted the rest of it too and you know it, Rainbow. Her one highlight and her very specific comment to it has nothing to do what you are alluding to (cherry picking). Her comment to the highlight was specific and NOT cherry picking anything. You’re the one, in such a desperate attempt “to own the libs” is putting a square peg in a round hole. (Not a surprise of course cuz it’s what you always do as a trump apologist). Fact—Barr was in the wrong. Fact—Barr grossly misrepresented Mueller’s report. Fact—you’re desperate attempt to try to spin it any other way is pathetically sad.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 20:06:13 GMT
Her one highlight and her very specific comment to it has nothing to do what you are alluding to (cherry picking). Her comment to the highlight was specific and NOT cherry picking anything. Yes it is. But fight it to the death by yourself. Go on.
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Post by lizacreates on Apr 18, 2019 20:08:16 GMT
Barr: "The President took no act that in fact deprived the special counsel of the documents and witnesses necessary to complete his investigation."
It may be that Trump didn’t shred documents and didn't stop WH staff from testifying, but this is what he did according to Mueller: --attempted to have McFarland create a statement denying he directed Flynn’s discussion with Kislyak; --told Lewandowski to give Sessions message that Sessions should curtail the Mueller investigation; --told staff not to disclose any info about the Trump Tower meeting; --told Flynn’s lawyers to give him a “heads up” if Flynn finds out Mueller has information that implicates Trump, --pressured Sessions repeatedly to reverse his recusal; --ordered McGahn to fire Mueller and then deny he had anything to do with it; --privately sent messages of support to Cohen and told him not to contradict Trump’s assertions/not to flip; .
This sure is a far cry from that sanitized summary/not summary.
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Post by scrappinmama on Apr 18, 2019 20:50:17 GMT
So to summarize, when Trump said he could kill someone and get away with it, he wasn't far from the truth.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 18, 2019 21:01:22 GMT
Her one highlight and her very specific comment to it has nothing to do what you are alluding to (cherry picking). Her comment to the highlight was specific and NOT cherry picking anything. Yes it is. But fight it to the death by yourself. Go on. It’s you who’s “fighting to the death here” in a desperate attempt to try to prove a point that just doesn’t exist. Desperate. Pathetic. Fact—she posted the entire “context” Fact—she highlighted a sentence, then made ONE comment on THAT sentence—nothing else. Fact—YOU are the one trying to make it into something it’s not.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 21:06:03 GMT
Her 'slip of tongue' comments sure do multiply! White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders acknowledged to investigators with special counsel Robert Mueller's team that she misled reporters when she insisted in May 2017 that "countless" FBI agents had lost confidence in former Director James Comey leading up to his dismissal. The special counsel's report, released Thursday, cited Sanders’s multiple false statements to reporters as part of its review of whether President Trump obstructed justice in firing Comey. Sanders told investigators that her misstatements were a "slip of the tongue,” and that the claims were not founded on anything. ** thehill.com/homenews/administration/439554-sarah-sanders-made-false-statements-to-press-on-comey-firing-muellerDt says liars must go. He needs to start with the closest to him, even better himself!
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