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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 0:04:23 GMT
From the CDC: "These outbreaks are linked to travelers who brought measles back from other countries such as Israel, Ukraine, and the Philippines, where large measles outbreaks are occurring."
Measles was gone in the US but after 2000 outbreaks have been on the rise. The highest was 2014 at 600+. We are currently at 90ish cases for this year so far.
So if these outbreaks are caused by international visitors who reside in a country with a huge outbreak, why in the heck does the US not require visitors to be vaccinated at least 28 days prior to travel and or have a health check?
I can't find any info on who is then sick with the measles. Adults? Children? Babies?
I ask because most adults may not be immune as their last MMR was in high school.
I have had 4 boosters in the last few years and still have 0 titters on blood work. So my body doesn't take the vaccine.
What are your thoughts on all this?
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Post by oliquig on Apr 19, 2019 0:22:33 GMT
Many of the travelers are US citizens who traveled to the foreign countries and then came home.
The outbreak in NY is based in an Orthodox Jewish enclave, and involves people of many ages.
The MMR you get as a child should be enough to protect you, but as you prove the vaccine doesn't work for everyone.
The best way to help is to get vaccinated.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Apr 19, 2019 0:24:50 GMT
From the CDC: "These outbreaks are linked to travelers who brought measles back from other countries such as Israel, Ukraine, and the Philippines, where large measles outbreaks are occurring." Measles was gone in the US but after 2000 outbreaks have been on the rise. The highest was 2014 at 600+. We are currently at 90ish cases for this year so far. So if these outbreaks are caused by international visitors who reside in a country with a huge outbreak, why in the heck does the US not require visitors to be vaccinated at least 28 days prior to travel and or have a health check? I can't find any info on who is then sick with the measles. Adults? Children? Babies? I ask because most adults may not be immune as their last MMR was in high school. I have had 4 boosters in the last few years and still have 0 titters on blood work. So my body doesn't take the vaccine. What are your thoughts on all this? They pulled the MMR vaccine in Japan while I was there and I got DS vaccinated in Canada instead.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Apr 19, 2019 0:27:58 GMT
From the CDC: "These outbreaks are linked to travelers who brought measles back from other countries such as Israel, Ukraine, and the Philippines, where large measles outbreaks are occurring." Measles was gone in the US but after 2000 outbreaks have been on the rise. The highest was 2014 at 600+. We are currently at 90ish cases for this year so far. So if these outbreaks are caused by international visitors who reside in a country with a huge outbreak, why in the heck does the US not require visitors to be vaccinated at least 28 days prior to travel and or have a health check? I can't find any info on who is then sick with the measles. Adults? Children? Babies? I ask because most adults may not be immune as their last MMR was in high school. I have had 4 boosters in the last few years and still have 0 titters on blood work. So my body doesn't take the vaccine. What are your thoughts on all this? There are actually 555 cases as of April 11, 2019, not 90ish. And your quote says people who brought it back. That means Americans who went overseas and returned home. Imposing any requirements on visitors to this country won't solve that method of contamination.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 19, 2019 0:32:03 GMT
From the CDC: "These outbreaks are linked to travelers who brought measles back from other countries such as Israel, Ukraine, and the Philippines, where large measles outbreaks are occurring." Measles was gone in the US but after 2000 outbreaks have been on the rise. The highest was 2014 at 600+. We are currently at 90ish cases for this year so far. So if these outbreaks are caused by international visitors who reside in a country with a huge outbreak, why in the heck does the US not require visitors to be vaccinated at least 28 days prior to travel and or have a health check? I can't find any info on who is then sick with the measles. Adults? Children? Babies? I ask because most adults may not be immune as their last MMR was in high school. I have had 4 boosters in the last few years and still have 0 titters on blood work. So my body doesn't take the vaccine. What are your thoughts on all this? 90 ish cases this year for what area? NYC has over 300 confirmed cases & more than 180 cases in Rockland county www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/health/officials-announce-new-measures-to-fight-new-york-measles-outbreakBTW there is also a mumps outbreak in PA ( Philly )
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 19, 2019 0:33:31 GMT
Because if people here were immunized like they should be then it wouldn't be spreading like it is. Considering the wording, it seems like it is Americans bringing it back with them or getting infected on a plane.
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Post by tommygirl on Apr 19, 2019 0:36:27 GMT
There are currently 3 cases near us, but apparently many were exposed so we will likely see more.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 19, 2019 0:40:17 GMT
I ask because most adults may not be immune as their last MMR was in high school. My DD’s university had a free MMR clinic because of the mumps
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Post by busy on Apr 19, 2019 0:43:13 GMT
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Post by christine58 on Apr 19, 2019 0:51:08 GMT
The best way to help is to get vaccinated. Or have them! I did as a 17 year old in 1976....wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 19, 2019 1:11:38 GMT
(CNN) Fainy Sukenik believes in vaccines, and her four children are up to date on all their shots.That's why she's furious that her baby got measles. Too young to be vaccinated, 8-month-old Shira Goldschmidt developed complications from the virus and had to be hospitalized.Infectious disease experts say the cause is clear: anti-vaxers. ** But she isn't completely out of the woods. Doctors told her parents that she could still experience devastating complications of measles in the years to come. It rarely happens, but about seven to 10 years after someone has measles, they can develop subacute sclerosing panencephalitis, a disabling and deadly brain disorder, according to the CDC. ** www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/health/measles-israeli-baby-us-caution/index.html***** (CNN) An Israeli flight attendant has slipped into a coma after contracting measles, according to health officials.The 43-year-old woman has encephalitis, or inflammation of the brain, a well-known and potentially deadly complication of the virus. She was otherwise healthy before getting measles. "She's been in a deep coma for 10 days, and we're now just hoping for the best," said Dr. Itamar Grotto, associate director general of Israel's Ministry of Health. The flight attendant, who works for El Al, the Israeli national airline, might have contracted the virus in New York, in Israel or on a flight between the two, Grotto said. Health authorities do not believed that she spread the virus to anyone on the flights. ** www.cnn.com/2019/04/17/health/measles-israel-flight-attendant/index.htmlVaccines do work! *** I had measles at 20 with an 8 month old. My fever was 106 when the doctor came to the house. I was very sick. I lost a week of time, There was no vaccine back then! ** (CNN)While the US grapples with a measles outbreak unlike any we've seen in decades, Indiana University has a different problem on its hands: mumps.At least 16 cases have been reported at the Bloomington campus since February 12, IU spokesman Chuck Carney said Thursday. Nine of those cases have been linked to a single fraternity -- the patients were either members of the fraternity, or had visited the fraternity house. ** Mumps are also on the rise nationwide. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported 426 cases this year as of March 29 -- an increase of 275 cases in one month. Previously, the CDC reported 151 cases of mumps from January to the end of February. ** www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/health/indiana-university-mumps-outbreak-fraternity-trnd/index.html
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Post by BSnyder on Apr 19, 2019 1:57:20 GMT
I wonder how many of us that are vaccinated and think we are "safe" are actually not immune? Until you posted, I had never met anyone that was vaccinated, but possibly not immune. I know there is a possibility that I am not. I was fully vaccinated as a child and at my doctor's recommendation, had boosters going into college. Seven years later when I was pregnant with my daughter, I found out that I had no immunity. I was again vaccinated after giving birth. Seven years after that, when I was pregnant with my son, I again found out that I had no immunity. I was again vaccinated after I gave birth to him. I have no confidence that I am immune to measles at this time. Because there is now a small outbreak close to my area, I find myself being more aware when information about possible exposure locations are reported.
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Post by pierkiss on Apr 19, 2019 2:04:27 GMT
My thoughts are that the people in this country need to go back to vaccinating their kids and themselves against these diseases. We would not have nearly this many cases if that goddamn anti-vaxx movement wasn’t A THING. The MMR vaccine is safe (for most people) and effective AND IT DOESNT CAUSE FUCKING AUTISM!
We can not control what other people do for medical care in other countries. But in this country the vaccines are readily and easily available. Unless a kid has an actual medical reason why they cannot be vaccinated, they need to get their damn shots. I think the religious exemption is bullshit.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Apr 19, 2019 2:06:51 GMT
BTW there is also a mumps outbreak in PA ( Philly ) This has me worried because I never had the mumps as a child. I did have the measles when I was 5 though so I'm not too worried about those. I'll be talking with my doctor when I go in later this month. Since I'm in my 60's, I've been more concerned with the shingles and pneumonia vaccines. Never dreamed I'd have to be worrying about childhood diseases as well.
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 19, 2019 2:38:40 GMT
I don’t know. I do know as a US immigrant I was required to show proof of childhood MMR. I’d had it, but I think because it was done through a school vaccination program in the 80s I had no proof, so I got it done again to get my visa.
And this was back in 2002 when measles was not the problem it is again currently.
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Post by Linda on Apr 19, 2019 2:59:46 GMT
I wonder how many of us that are vaccinated and think we are "safe" are actually not immune? Until you posted, I had never met anyone that was vaccinated, but possibly not immune. I would guess I'm one of those people. I've had chicken pox twice (no vaccine), I had whooping cough as a child (and yes, I was vaccinated against it), and I had mumps in my 30s (had an MMR at 10 when we moved to the States and again at 21 when my college made a second dose mandatory).
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Post by hop2 on Apr 19, 2019 3:02:48 GMT
BTW there is also a mumps outbreak in PA ( Philly ) This has me worried because I never had the mumps as a child. I did have the measles when I was 5 though so I'm not too worried about those. I'll be talking with my doctor when I go in later this month. Since I'm in my 60's, I've been more concerned with the shingles and pneumonia vaccines. Never dreamed I'd have to be worrying about childhood diseases as well. Here’s one article about it. It’s been connected to a couple of the universities & a high school so far www.google.com/amp/s/www.phillyvoice.com/mumps-outbreak-spreads-drexel-university-abington-senior-high-school/amp/
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Apr 19, 2019 3:28:38 GMT
I’ve never even had the chicken pox so it’s kinda scary to think about.
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Post by MichyM on Apr 19, 2019 3:43:07 GMT
I had the news on earlier. They were saying that people of a certain age (if I recall correctly it was born before 1965) were likely only immunized once, and we may want to consider talking with our GP about getting vaccinated again. Also, if you're not 100% sure that you were vaccinated as a child that you should probably discuss that as well.
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Post by gillyp on Apr 19, 2019 7:08:51 GMT
There is a country in Europe, possibly one of the Scandinavian ones I think, which will not allow children to start school unless they have been vaccinated. I think other countries need to be this proactive too. There has to be a point where parental rights are trumped by the greater good for the community as a whole.
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Post by wellway on Apr 19, 2019 8:03:32 GMT
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Post by gillyp on Apr 19, 2019 8:13:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 9:49:07 GMT
From the CDC: "These outbreaks are linked to travelers who brought measles back from other countries such as Israel, Ukraine, and the Philippines, where large measles outbreaks are occurring." Measles was gone in the US but after 2000 outbreaks have been on the rise. The highest was 2014 at 600+. We are currently at 90ish cases for this year so far. So if these outbreaks are caused by international visitors who reside in a country with a huge outbreak, why in the heck does the US not require visitors to be vaccinated at least 28 days prior to travel and or have a health check? I can't find any info on who is then sick with the measles. Adults? Children? Babies? I ask because most adults may not be immune as their last MMR was in high school. I have had 4 boosters in the last few years and still have 0 titters on blood work. So my body doesn't take the vaccine. What are your thoughts on all this? It's not necessarily the people from other countries that bring it into your own country, in this case the US. It's the US travellers that travel to the infected countries and bring it back to their own that is, more often than not, the failure of stopping the decease from spreading. Unless you have robust vaccination programmes in every country in the world or that you ( general you ) ban international travel, it will continue. Travellers to countries that have a high rate of these illnesses should, if they want to protect themselves and others in their own country, check to see if they have immunity before they travel. It's no different than making sure you have a cholera or a yellow fever injection before visiting certain countries IMO. The MMR vaccine is a mixture of live weakened viruses. Unless the vaccine you are given has been kept under strict clinical conditions then there is always the possibility that although someone has been vaccinated they are not always immune to catching the virus from others.
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Post by iluvpink on Apr 19, 2019 11:46:04 GMT
I need to find out if I have immunity. I'm 47 and at the age where some children were given one shot and some two. My parents swear I had two shots (I think they even have my shot records somewhere still) but you never know.
I'm in MI and about 45 minutes from where the outbreak is. Plus the college where I work had someone visiting the campus a few weeks ago who had the measles. They were all over the campus so spreading germs everywhere.
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Post by bearmom on Apr 19, 2019 12:49:15 GMT
I need to find out if I have immunity. I'm 47 and at the age where some children were given one shot and some two. My parents swear I had two shots (I think they even have my shot records somewhere still) but you never know. I'm in MI and about 45 minutes from where the outbreak is. Plus the college where I work had someone visiting the campus a few weeks ago who had the measles. They were all over the campus so spreading germs everywhere. My dd texted me this week verifying that she was vaccinated against measles. Last year it was chicken pox (I think). Both times I reassured her she was up to date with all her vaccinations. The email from the school listed the areas the infected student had visited. Yep, pretty much where dd spends her time. I am hoping that it doesn’t make its way into the dorms - things spread like wildfire in them.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 19, 2019 13:39:41 GMT
I need to find out if I have immunity. I'm 47 and at the age where some children were given one shot and some two. My parents swear I had two shots (I think they even have my shot records somewhere still) but you never know. I'm in MI and about 45 minutes from where the outbreak is. Plus the college where I work had someone visiting the campus a few weeks ago who had the measles. They were all over the campus so spreading germs everywhere. I think they recommend boosters for everyone in that age bracket. It's typically only if you're going to an area where measles are a problem - it pisses me off that soon that recommendation will need to include the US. I'm a bit younger and they recommended boosters when we went to Africa. ETA I just looked up when they started recommending 2 shots - not until 1989. According to this article, there was a catch up program for those SOME in grade school at that time but if you're born before 1977, you probably only received one. www.scpr.org/blogs/health/2015/01/23/17845/i-ve-only-had-one-dose-of-the-measles-vaccine-what/
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Apr 19, 2019 13:47:17 GMT
Unless a kid has an actual medical reason why they cannot be vaccinated, they need to get their damn shots. I think the religious exemption is bullshit. There has to be a point where parental rights are trumped by the greater good for the community as a whole. These are my thoughts on this issue as well. 'You' (general you) don't have the 'right' to make a decision that deliberately endangers the rest of us without an irrefutable reason.
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Post by mrssmith on Apr 19, 2019 14:05:02 GMT
From the CDC: "These outbreaks are linked to travelers who brought measles back from other countries such as Israel, Ukraine, and the Philippines, where large measles outbreaks are occurring." Measles was gone in the US but after 2000 outbreaks have been on the rise. The highest was 2014 at 600+. We are currently at 90ish cases for this year so far. So if these outbreaks are caused by international visitors who reside in a country with a huge outbreak, why in the heck does the US not require visitors to be vaccinated at least 28 days prior to travel and or have a health check? I can't find any info on who is then sick with the measles. Adults? Children? Babies? I ask because most adults may not be immune as their last MMR was in high school. I have had 4 boosters in the last few years and still have 0 titters on blood work. So my body doesn't take the vaccine. What are your thoughts on all this? The rise is so disturbing. I don't know how the US would mandate some sort of check at entry from visitors. Esp. since our own citizens aren't vaccinating. I imagine it would be pretty expensive. I'm sorry to hear it doesn't seem to work for you! Measles symptoms begin 7 to 14 days after infection. I read that one of the Michigan cases, the guy had actually gone to the doctor and been misdiagnosed and sent on his merry way. If you click through the links to each outbreak site on the CDC page, some of the states have posted the age breakdown. Ages 1 - 4 rates are among the highest. The saddest thing for me is reading about the outbreak in Madagascar where over 1,200 people have died. There is also the issue of tremendous poverty there and lack of access to medical care, but vaccines would have gone a long way toward preventing that. Vaccine hesitancy/refusal is a very priveleged position to take.
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Post by gryroagain on Apr 19, 2019 15:09:07 GMT
Not really related, but I keep thinking of the fake vaccine campaign that got Bin Laden in Pakistan. And how it was a gross violation of ethics but no ones head ever rolled for it as the means apparently justified the end (not in my mind).
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