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Post by scrapngranny on Apr 19, 2019 16:00:31 GMT
Do you feel the House should proceed with impeachment hearings against Trump or let it go, since the election could possibly take place before they complete all of their investigations?
Im of mixed emotions on this. I hate to think the POS won’t have to answer for the crap he is responsible for, but if the Senate won’t break with party lines, all of it could be for nothing. Our country deserves better.
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Post by Just T on Apr 19, 2019 16:05:33 GMT
I don't know enough to know if he should be impeached or not. But like someone said on another thread, we once had a president impeached because he lied about an intern giving him a b job, so....this surely seems so much worse.
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Post by femalebusiness on Apr 19, 2019 16:12:09 GMT
I agree with a poster on another thread, we need to gear up and put ALL energy into winning in 2020. Impeachment may fuel his trumpers. Having said that, we all know there is a very real threat of him winning in 2020. In that case I hope the Dems have all their ducks in a row to go forward with impeachment if he wins.
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Post by lisae on Apr 19, 2019 16:23:37 GMT
I think the investigation should continue. It should not become the obsession of the House to the exclusion of policy they promised voters they would work on during the mid-terms. I realize they don't have the votes in the Senate or the WH to do much themselves but they need to try. They need to bring bills to the floor that people care about and they can campaign on in 2020. For example, show us what you want healthcare legislation to look like.
The investigation may still yield a smoking gun that the president can not hide from and the results of their investigations may be key to boosting support for his challenger in 2020. In short, continue to investigate with a limited number of representatives involved and talking about it but use that as only one avenue toward ousting Trump in 2020.
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Post by lindas on Apr 19, 2019 16:27:52 GMT
Interesting fact...
Every President elected since 1980 has been the subject of at least one resolution introduced into Congress with the purpose of impeachment.
I have no doubt the democrats will try but getting 55 republicans to vote with them (it requires a 2/3 vote) would be impossible with the next election cycle only 18 months away. Congress time would be better spent on dealing with truly important issues like the border, health care, prescription drugs, infrastructure, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 19:54:20 GMT
When you read the Mueller Report it’s just pure dumb luck on trump & company’s part that they aren’t charged for collusion. Whether they intended to or not they were pretty close to crossing that line in their eagerness to get the dirt on Hillary Clinton.
As to trump and obstruction of justice, I think the only thing stopping Mueller from recommending charges be filed is that opinion that a sitting president can’t be indicted.
Which means it falls to Congress. Either we are a country of laws or we are not. As such Congress can’t ignore what is in the Mueller Report because next year is an election year.
The good news, we humans know how to multitask. Meaning in DC, Congress can move ahead with their oversight regardless of the outcome. And when they are out and about they can talk about the issues and their plans for addressing them.
Also because humans can multitask, the Democrats can do their oversight and also work on legislation that isn’t going anywhere when they are in DC.
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Post by lindas on Apr 19, 2019 20:17:11 GMT
When you read the Mueller Report it’s just pure dumb luck on trump & company’s part that they aren’t charged for collusion. Whether they intended to or not they were pretty close to crossing that line in their eagerness to get the dirt on Hillary Clinton. As to trump and obstruction of justice, I think the only thing stopping Mueller from recommending charges be filed is that opinion that a sitting president can’t be indicted. Which means it falls to Congress. Either we are a country of laws or we are not. As such Congress can’t ignore what is in the Mueller Report because next year is an election year. The good news, we humans know how to multitask. Meaning in DC, Congress can move ahead with their oversight regardless of the outcome. And when they are out and about they can talk about the issues and their plans for addressing them. Also because humans can multitask, the Democrats can do their oversight and also work on legislation that isn’t going anywhere when they are in DC. Multitask, THIS current congress.....you must be kidding. I seriously doubt most of them can walk and chew gum at the same time. The democrats have had one thing and one thing only on their minds since the day Trump took office and that was how to get rid of him. The only other thing that ranks even close to that is keeping their job. If they continue with impeachment talks those who are up for re-election in swing districts will start singing a different tune. |
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Post by lizacreates on Apr 19, 2019 20:46:34 GMT
When you read the Mueller Report it’s just pure dumb luck on trump & company’s part that they aren’t charged for collusion. Whether they intended to or not they were pretty close to crossing that line in their eagerness to get the dirt on Hillary Clinton. As to trump and obstruction of justice, I think the only thing stopping Mueller from recommending charges be filed is that opinion that a sitting president can’t be indicted. Which means it falls to Congress. Either we are a country of laws or we are not. As such Congress can’t ignore what is in the Mueller Report because next year is an election year. The good news, we humans know how to multitask. Meaning in DC, Congress can move ahead with their oversight regardless of the outcome. And when they are out and about they can talk about the issues and their plans for addressing them. Also because humans can multitask, the Democrats can do their oversight and also work on legislation that isn’t going anywhere when they are in DC. Multitask, THIS current congress.....you must be kidding. I seriously doubt most of them can walk and chew gum at the same time. The democrats have had one thing and one thing only on their minds since the day Trump took office and that was how to get rid of him. The only other thing that ranks even close to that is keeping their job. If they continue with impeachment talks those who are up for re-election in swing districts will start singing a different tune. What are you talking about? I just checked the House tracker and House Dems have already written about a dozen bills in 2019 making their way through the committees. Just late last month, they presented their bill on healthcare. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 20:54:45 GMT
I think the investigation should continue. It should not become the obsession of the House to the exclusion of policy they promised voters they would work on during the mid-terms. I realize they don't have the votes in the Senate or the WH to do much themselves but they need to try. They need to bring bills to the floor that people care about and they can campaign on in 2020. For example, show us what you want healthcare legislation to look like. The investigation may still yield a smoking gun that the president can not hide from and the results of their investigations may be key to boosting support for his challenger in 2020. In short, continue to investigate with a limited number of representatives involved and talking about it but use that as only one avenue toward ousting Trump in 2020. 22 months of investigation, $30 million, 2500 subpoenas issued, over 500 search warrants executed. What more do you think they'll do that they haven't already done to change the outcome of the Mueller investigation? |
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Post by samantha25 on Apr 19, 2019 20:59:17 GMT
Keep going.. there must be a hell of a lot more to investigate.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 19, 2019 21:02:36 GMT
What are you talking about? I just checked the House tracker and House Dems have already written about a dozen bills in 2019 making their way through the committees. Just late last month, they presented their bill on healthcare. And McConnell refuses to move the bills forward, whatever is the right term.. |
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Post by gale w on Apr 19, 2019 21:10:45 GMT
I don't know enough to know if he should be impeached or not. But like someone said on another thread, we once had a president impeached because he lied about an intern giving him a b job, so....this surely seems so much worse. I'm no expert in politics but he finished his term anyway, right? So if that's a possibility it seems like there's no point. Unless an impeachment would bar him from running again. |
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Post by lizacreates on Apr 19, 2019 21:13:55 GMT
What are you talking about? I just checked the House tracker and House Dems have already written about a dozen bills in 2019 making their way through the committees. Just late last month, they presented their bill on healthcare. And McConnell refuses to move the bills forward, whatever is the right term.. Yeah, but that's the Senate. There's not much we can do there because we're 45/55. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 19, 2019 21:14:15 GMT
Interesting fact... Every President elected since 1980 has been the subject of at least one resolution introduced into Congress with the purpose of impeachment. I have no doubt the democrats will try but getting 55 republicans to vote with them (it requires a 2/3 vote) would be impossible with the next election cycle only 18 months away. Congress time would be better spent on dealing with truly important issues like the border, health care, prescription drugs, infrastructure, etc. In other words... Let’s keep trump and the status quo and let him totally fuck up the American people even more. Keep out the brown people. Lock kids up in cages. Allow religious bigotry. Take away freedom of speech. Erode away more Women rights. Allow LBGTQ to be ostracized, bullied, denied, and watch them get hurt or commit suicide. Give more benefits to the rich. Hurt the poor, elderly and handy. Kill social security and Medicare. Take away healthcare, Kill the environment. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 19, 2019 21:16:02 GMT
When you read the Mueller Report it’s just pure dumb luck on trump & company’s part that they aren’t charged for collusion. Whether they intended to or not they were pretty close to crossing that line in their eagerness to get the dirt on Hillary Clinton. As to trump and obstruction of justice, I think the only thing stopping Mueller from recommending charges be filed is that opinion that a sitting president can’t be indicted. Which means it falls to Congress. Either we are a country of laws or we are not. As such Congress can’t ignore what is in the Mueller Report because next year is an election year. The good news, we humans know how to multitask. Meaning in DC, Congress can move ahead with their oversight regardless of the outcome. And when they are out and about they can talk about the issues and their plans for addressing them. Also because humans can multitask, the Democrats can do their oversight and also work on legislation that isn’t going anywhere when they are in DC. Multitask, THIS current congress.....you must be kidding. I seriously doubt most of them can walk and chew gum at the same time. The democrats have had one thing and one thing only on their minds since the day Trump took office and that was how to get rid of him. The only other thing that ranks even close to that is keeping their job. If they continue with impeachment talks those who are up for re-election in swing districts will start singing a different tune. This is an out right and bold faced lie. Good God are you lying. Democrats have not solely been focused on this. You want to give an answer on why the Republicans are intent on hurting Americans? |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 19, 2019 21:17:00 GMT
Let’s keep trump and the status quo and let him totally fuck ip the American people even more. Inflaming his base will make four years far worse! |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 19, 2019 21:17:41 GMT
Fact —-trump by far is the worst president in history.
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Post by DEX on Apr 19, 2019 21:17:47 GMT
Interesting fact... Every President elected since 1980 has been the subject of at least one resolution introduced into Congress with the purpose of impeachment. That is indeed interesting. What is your source? |
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Post by mom on Apr 19, 2019 21:17:58 GMT
Impeaching Trump means nothing - he can (and would) run again. Hell, it doesn't even guarantee he is removed from office (though they can add a restriction to where he couldn't run again). This article explains it easily but here is the part worth reading: Impeachment itself is similar to indictment. It requires a simple majority vote in the House of Representatives. It has no direct effect by itself other than to turn the case over the Senate for trial. It’s a common mistake to use the word “impeachment” to refer to the entire process, but it’s really just the first half. After impeachment by the House, the Senate tries the case. If a 2/3 majority of the Senate votes to convict, the President is immediately removed from office (and the Vice President, or whoever is next in line if there is no VP, becomes President). The Senate may optionally impose an additional penalty: “disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States”. If the Senate convicts and chooses to impose that additional penalty, then the President cannot run for office again (or, at the very least, cannot take office even if he meaninglessly wins an election). Otherwise, he would be free to run again in 2020. (A President who has been impeached, convicted, and removed from office can still be indicted, convicted, and punished, but there is no legal or Constitutional ban on running for President after a criminal conviction. If I recall correctly, some people have run for President while serving prison terms.) ----------- IMHO by the time his impeachment hit the Senate for a vote, it would be election time. I think our country would be in a better position by focusing on the upcoming election and getting a solid candidate, than rolling in the dirt with Trump. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 19, 2019 21:37:44 GMT
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Post by lisae on Apr 19, 2019 21:53:08 GMT
I think the investigation should continue. It should not become the obsession of the House to the exclusion of policy they promised voters they would work on during the mid-terms. I realize they don't have the votes in the Senate or the WH to do much themselves but they need to try. They need to bring bills to the floor that people care about and they can campaign on in 2020. For example, show us what you want healthcare legislation to look like. The investigation may still yield a smoking gun that the president can not hide from and the results of their investigations may be key to boosting support for his challenger in 2020. In short, continue to investigate with a limited number of representatives involved and talking about it but use that as only one avenue toward ousting Trump in 2020. 22 months of investigation, $30 million, 2500 subpoenas issued, over 500 search warrants executed. What more do you think they'll do that they haven't already done to change the outcome of the Mueller investigation? You missed a few statistics: 34 people were charged with crimes - US and Russians 5 of these are Trump's business associates or members of his campaign who pleaded guilty or took a deal over $42 million - the amount of real estate and cash forfeited by Manafort who is spending the next 7 1/2 years in jail Another $2 million in asset forfeiture and fines from Michael Cohen, Trump's personal attorney, who was sentenced to 3 years in prison Mueller did not have the power that Congress has over the president. Yes, I think there is plenty more to find. Trump is a known liar. He has refused to provide his tax returns and business financial documents - a business his children continue to run while they have the highest levels of access to government information. There is plenty there to mine. And I believe there are plenty of crimes to uncover. |
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Post by Sarah*H on Apr 19, 2019 21:59:52 GMT
I have no interest in impeachment. When we vote that horrible man out of office, I want him prosecuted for every crime he has ever committed and I want him to spend the rest of his pathetic life in federal prison.
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Post by trollie on Apr 19, 2019 22:00:38 GMT
I think the investigation should continue. It should not become the obsession of the House to the exclusion of policy they promised voters they would work on during the mid-terms. I realize they don't have the votes in the Senate or the WH to do much themselves but they need to try. They need to bring bills to the floor that people care about and they can campaign on in 2020. For example, show us what you want healthcare legislation to look like. The investigation may still yield a smoking gun that the president can not hide from and the results of their investigations may be key to boosting support for his challenger in 2020. In short, continue to investigate with a limited number of representatives involved and talking about it but use that as only one avenue toward ousting Trump in 2020. 22 months of investigation, $30 million, 2500 subpoenas issued, over 500 search warrants executed. What more do you think they'll do that they haven't already done to change the outcome of the Mueller investigation? Change the outcome? I would just like to see the outcome. Release the unredacted report. If not to the public, at least to all of our representatives!! |
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Post by dewryce on Apr 19, 2019 22:05:54 GMT
LMAO “truly important issues like...” suggests you don’t think the activities uncovered by this investigation are important. I sincerely hope that isn’t the case.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 19, 2019 22:16:49 GMT
I think the investigation should continue. It should not become the obsession of the House to the exclusion of policy they promised voters they would work on during the mid-terms. I realize they don't have the votes in the Senate or the WH to do much themselves but they need to try. They need to bring bills to the floor that people care about and they can campaign on in 2020. For example, show us what you want healthcare legislation to look like. The investigation may still yield a smoking gun that the president can not hide from and the results of their investigations may be key to boosting support for his challenger in 2020. In short, continue to investigate with a limited number of representatives involved and talking about it but use that as only one avenue toward ousting Trump in 2020. 22 months of investigation, $30 million, 2500 subpoenas issued, over 500 search warrants executed. What more do you think they'll do that they haven't already done to change the outcome of the Mueller investigation? No need to change the outcome of the investigation. Just follow up with the appropriate charging of crimes uncovered. I’m willing to wait. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 22:22:45 GMT
22 months of investigation, $30 million, 2500 subpoenas issued, over 500 search warrants executed. What more do you think they'll do that they haven't already done to change the outcome of the Mueller investigation? You missed a few statistics: 34 people were charged with crimes - US and Russians 5 of these are Trump's business associates or members of his campaign who pleaded guilty or took a deal over $42 million - the amount of real estate and cash forfeited by Manafort who is spending the next 7 1/2 years in jail Another $2 million in asset forfeiture and fines from Michael Cohen, Trump's personal attorney, who was sentenced to 3 years in prison Mueller did not have the power that Congress has over the president. Yes, I think there is plenty more to find. Trump is a known liar. He has refused to provide his tax returns and business financial documents - a business his children continue to run while they have the highest levels of access to government information. There is plenty there to mine. And I believe there are plenty of crimes to uncover. Then with a 2 year investigation that has been concluded and all that money, search warrants and subpoenas, why haven't those crimes been uncovered? Why wouldn't the investigation still be going on if there's still so much to uncover? |
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Post by samantha25 on Apr 19, 2019 22:26:51 GMT
You missed a few statistics: 34 people were charged with crimes - US and Russians 5 of these are Trump's business associates or members of his campaign who pleaded guilty or took a deal over $42 million - the amount of real estate and cash forfeited by Manafort who is spending the next 7 1/2 years in jail Another $2 million in asset forfeiture and fines from Michael Cohen, Trump's personal attorney, who was sentenced to 3 years in prison Mueller did not have the power that Congress has over the president. Yes, I think there is plenty more to find. Trump is a known liar. He has refused to provide his tax returns and business financial documents - a business his children continue to run while they have the highest levels of access to government information. There is plenty there to mine. And I believe there are plenty of crimes to uncover. Then with a 2 year investigation that has been concluded and all that money, search warrants and subpoenas, why haven't those crimes been uncovered? Why wouldn't the investigation still be going on if there's still so much to uncover? How can you be so obtuse? as said in the voice of Andy Dufresne in Shawshank Redemption |
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Post by dewryce on Apr 19, 2019 22:27:36 GMT
Many investigations are still going on. Mueller’s team uncovered information and passed it onto the appropriate authorities to investigate and prosecute. SDNY and Districy Courts in DC have most of them.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 19, 2019 22:29:44 GMT
Then with a 2 year investigation that has been concluded and all that money, search warrants and subpoenas, why haven't those crimes been uncovered? Why wouldn't the investigation still be going on if there's still so much to uncover? Because Mueller was limited in the scope of his investigation. He didn't run amuck. He stayed on track! As dewryce says Many investigations are still going on. Mueller’s team uncovered information and passed it onto the appropriate authorities to investigate and prosecute. SDNY and Districy Courts in DC have most of them. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 22:41:13 GMT
Then with a 2 year investigation that has been concluded and all that money, search warrants and subpoenas, why haven't those crimes been uncovered? Why wouldn't the investigation still be going on if there's still so much to uncover? Because Mueller was limited in the scope of his investigation. He did run amuck. He stayed on track! As dewryce says Many investigations are still going on. Mueller’s team uncovered information and passed it onto the appropriate authorities to investigate and prosecute. SDNY and Districy Courts in DC have most of them. As I said before, in agreement with Jeremysgirl, he may not have done anything criminal - according to the report, but he certainly seems to be severely lacking in the ethical department. No doubt. |
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