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Post by peasapie on Apr 22, 2019 0:37:51 GMT
I don’t care about race, gender or sexual orientation. I’d like a candidate with integrity and intelligence who can lead this country capably.
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Post by busy on Apr 22, 2019 0:45:59 GMT
Caring about race or gender or sexual orientation is not somehow accepting lesser candidates. It’s about recognizing that representation matters and our laws and norms should be established by a vibrant, diverse group that reflects the whole of the American experience, not by a single segment of our population.
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 22, 2019 0:49:12 GMT
Caring about race or gender or sexual orientation is not somehow accepting lesser candidates. It’s about recognizing that representation matters and our laws and norms should be established by a vibrant, diverse group that reflects the whole of the American experience, not by a single segment of our population. but it also shouldn't mean that a white male is automatically ruled out.
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Post by busy on Apr 22, 2019 0:51:59 GMT
Caring about race or gender or sexual orientation is not somehow accepting lesser candidates. It’s about recognizing that representation matters and our laws and norms should be established by a vibrant, diverse group that reflects the whole of the American experience, not by a single segment of our population. but it also shouldn't mean that a white male is automatically ruled out. I don’t think anyone said they should be.
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Post by roxley on Apr 22, 2019 1:04:03 GMT
Unfortunately, I think our media is still choosing the white man. I was so excited to see such a diverse field of candidates. But I watch several news sources, and I feel like they are giving the white male candiates way more coverage than the others. I don’t personally care about gender, race, sexual orientation, but I feel like media plays a much bigger role in who we choose than it used to. I think the media helped elect Trump with all of the coverage. They help decide whose name gets out there the most. And the names I see the most right now are Biden, Bernie, Mayor Pete and Beto. Not seeing a lot lot about the females.
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 22, 2019 1:04:35 GMT
I would love to have a female president. Having said that, I will vote for the candidate that I consider to be the best for the job. I will base this on policies, depth of knowledge,etc.
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Post by papersilly on Apr 22, 2019 1:06:47 GMT
I'm perfectly ok with a white man. My next choice would be Kamela.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 1:31:19 GMT
but it also shouldn't mean that a white male is automatically ruled out. I don’t think anyone said they should be. I think the entire point of this thread is whether or not they should be ruled out... “Should a White Man Be the Face of the Democratic Party in 2020?”
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Post by grate on Apr 22, 2019 1:33:41 GMT
I don't care what color, what religion or what sex... I just want a smart, educated, levelheaded person with experience in issues home and abroad and who is willing to surround themselves with intelligent and well qualified staff/cabinet members.
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Post by Linda on Apr 22, 2019 1:41:55 GMT
I'm not going to vote for someone based on their race, gender, religion, ethnic background, sexual orientation...I'm also not going to vote against someone based on any of those.
Would I like to see more diversity in our government? especially at the higher levels? YES, very much so. And I'm pleased to see a more diverse slate of candidates (at least on the Democratic side) at the outset of the Presidential race.
BUT in the end, I don't get to vote in the primary and I'll vote for whoever is NOT Trump in the general election. Do I hope that whoever that is ends up being a good fit for my beliefs and a good example of diversity? Sure...but I'm willing to bet that whichever candidate wins the primary is going to be an improvement over what we currently have.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 22, 2019 1:42:08 GMT
To be fair, most of the front candidates for the Democrats are well qualified. So if we are looking at the current field and willing to put one of them up against Trump without particular regard to demographics, this is not the same as supporting a circus monkey if it could beat Trump. I think she's referring to the fact that Trump got elected in the first place, lol. And I've seen a few democrats I know, that don't care for Beto calling him a "cult of personality" which quite honestly shocked me. My DD, while admitting she doesn’t know much about him, feels he is just another white guy pretending to know what other people deal with. Just another white guy saying things he think ‘we’ want to hear. Her reaction dissapointed me.
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Post by scrapngranny on Apr 22, 2019 2:13:26 GMT
I feel like the party should stay away from old white men. They are the past, we need to go towards the future. I think nominating a women just for the sake of running a woman is a mistake. Our candidate has to be electable, first and foremost. At this point I don’t have a front runner. I awaiting for the field to thin a little first.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 2:27:53 GMT
This one paragraph is why I started this thread. The question, with the diverse number of candidates and the diversity in the party, will this be the stumbling block to kicking that delusional idiot out of the White House?
“Is a white man the best face for an increasingly diverse Democratic Party in 2020? And what’s the bigger gamble: to nominate a white man and risk disappointing some of the party’s base, or nominate a minority candidate or a woman who might struggle to carry predominantly white swing states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania that both Barack Obama and President Trump won?”
The problem with the diversity that makes up the current Democratic Party you have a lot of mini special interest groups. Each demanding that their needs be addressed or they won’t vote. Or I’m not got to vote for the old white guy. Or i’m not voting for candidates that are too far to the left. Or I’m not voting for a woman. Or I’m not voting for a moderate. Or I’m not voting for that gay guy.
The reality is, if you are a Democrat, or left leaning independent then the messages of the candidates, so far, are checking the boxes of issues for the majority if not all the mini special interest groups. But if it’s not exactly what you want, so what? What is the alternative if you stay home?
And what is the alternative if you chose not to vote because the nominee is a moderate or is progressive or is a white guy or older then dirt guy or a gay guy or a woman or a black man or black woman or a Hispanic. Did I get them all?
My dream team at this point is Kamala Harris and Joe Kennedy as VP. But I will support and vote for whatever nominee the Democrats chose. Because this is the alternative...
trump from earlier today
”How do you impeach a Republican President for a crime that was committed by the Democrats? MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!”
This guy is just plain nuts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 2:52:56 GMT
From Vox...
”CBO: over 1 million Americans have become uninsured since 2016”
Third Way..
“➡️Democrats say reducing health care costs should be a top issue for the 2020 election ➡️Only 20% say single-payer is the way to win, according to a new poll of Democratic primary voters. thirdway.org/memo/what-do-d…”
This is what is important to most voters and every single one of the Democrats running for president is talking about this and their idea for fixing it. The Republicans are not going to talk about health care because not only don’t they have a plan they really aren’t interested in coming up with one.
Now there are two reason it shouldn't matter what Democrat goes up against trump.
1. To get rid of the idiot. 2. Health care
And here are some more reasons.. 3. Climate Change 4. The environment, yes in a lot of ways the environment is separate from climate change. 5. The realization and willingness to acknowledge the real challenges to the work force. That it’s not as simple as trump shouting JOBS JOBS JOBS 6. A fair immigration solution.
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Post by Country Ham on Apr 22, 2019 4:56:18 GMT
. My only criterion for 2020 is a candidate who can beat trump. but to me any candidate that can defeat the menace in the White House at this time is the perfect candidate. Reminds of the last election "anyone but Hillary". Living in the south I heard that so often. I don't care who's running as long as they beat her. I am still annoyed that my very first ever presidential election as a US citizen was this last one. Last time I voted third party, not sure what I will do this year. I refuse to join a or declare a party so in the foreseeable future I will not be voting in the primaries. I think anytime a person votes on a ballet it should be private. I feel I shouldn't even have to tell the registrar. I think I should be able to privately click on a button on the screen for the party I wish to vote on in the primaries.I know for some states you have to be a registered member of the party to vote in the primaries but here in my area you can ask to vote for which party you want.
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Post by gar on Apr 22, 2019 8:07:49 GMT
To be fair, most of the front candidates for the Democrats are well qualified. So if we are looking at the current field and willing to put one of them up against Trump without particular regard to demographics, this is not the same as supporting a circus monkey if it could beat Trump. I think she's referring to the fact that Trump got elected in the first place, lol. I was, thank you.
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Post by Really Red on Apr 22, 2019 11:38:42 GMT
This one paragraph is why I started this thread. The question, with the diverse number of candidates and the diversity in the party, will this be the stumbling block to kicking that delusional idiot out of the White House? “Is a white man the best face for an increasingly diverse Democratic Party in 2020? And what’s the bigger gamble: to nominate a white man and risk disappointing some of the party’s base, or nominate a minority candidate or a woman who might struggle to carry predominantly white swing states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania that both Barack Obama and President Trump won?”
The problem with the diversity that makes up the current Democratic Party you have a lot of mini special interest groups. Each demanding that their needs be addressed or they won’t vote. Or I’m not got to vote for the old white guy. Or i’m not voting for candidates that are too far to the left. Or I’m not voting for a woman. Or I’m not voting for a moderate. Or I’m not voting for that gay guy.
The reality is, if you are a Democrat, or left leaning independent then the messages of the candidates, so far, are checking the boxes of issues for the majority if not all the mini special interest groups. But if it’s not exactly what you want, so what? What is the alternative if you stay home? And what is the alternative if you chose not to vote because the nominee is a moderate or is progressive or is a white guy or older then dirt guy or a gay guy or a woman or a black man or black woman or a Hispanic. Did I get them all? My dream team at this point is Kamala Harris and Joe Kennedy as VP. But I will support and vote for whatever nominee the Democrats chose. Because this is the alternative... trump from earlier today ”How do you impeach a Republican President for a crime that was committed by the Democrats? MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!” This guy is just plain nuts. What? What on earth? Do you have facts that lead you to say this or are you just supposing? For me, I will vote for any Democrat who can beat Trump, but I prefer it to be someone who is intelligent, calm and fair and who has - as far as I am able to tell - integrity. I like all the Democratic candidates this year, but the two I prefer are both men. One is gay and the other is a Chinese immigrant's son. Does this surprise the very liberal me? Not at all. I want someone who is - dare I say? - woke. And right now, in my opinion, these are our best two choices.
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Post by Country Ham on Apr 22, 2019 12:06:02 GMT
I want someone who is - dare I say? - woke I suppose I good google but what does this mean? Woke?
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Post by trollie on Apr 22, 2019 14:08:57 GMT
I will vote for the Dem that ends up with the nomination. I can get behind most of them, but quite frankly any of them will be better than the current occupant of the White House. A Harris, Butigieg ticket (either order) would be awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 14:10:06 GMT
This one paragraph is why I started this thread. The question, with the diverse number of candidates and the diversity in the party, will this be the stumbling block to kicking that delusional idiot out of the White House? “Is a white man the best face for an increasingly diverse Democratic Party in 2020? And what’s the bigger gamble: to nominate a white man and risk disappointing some of the party’s base, or nominate a minority candidate or a woman who might struggle to carry predominantly white swing states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania that both Barack Obama and President Trump won?”
The problem with the diversity that makes up the current Democratic Party you have a lot of mini special interest groups. Each demanding that their needs be addressed or they won’t vote. Or I’m not got to vote for the old white guy. Or i’m not voting for candidates that are too far to the left. Or I’m not voting for a woman. Or I’m not voting for a moderate. Or I’m not voting for that gay guy.
The reality is, if you are a Democrat, or left leaning independent then the messages of the candidates, so far, are checking the boxes of issues for the majority if not all the mini special interest groups. But if it’s not exactly what you want, so what? What is the alternative if you stay home? And what is the alternative if you chose not to vote because the nominee is a moderate or is progressive or is a white guy or older then dirt guy or a gay guy or a woman or a black man or black woman or a Hispanic. Did I get them all? My dream team at this point is Kamala Harris and Joe Kennedy as VP. But I will support and vote for whatever nominee the Democrats chose. Because this is the alternative... trump from earlier today ”How do you impeach a Republican President for a crime that was committed by the Democrats? MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!” This guy is just plain nuts. What? What on earth? Do you have facts that lead you to say this or are you just supposing? For me, I will vote for any Democrat who can beat Trump, but I prefer it to be someone who is intelligent, calm and fair and who has - as far as I am able to tell - integrity. I like all the Democratic candidates this year, but the two I prefer are both men. One is gay and the other is a Chinese immigrant's son. Does this surprise the very liberal me? Not at all. I want someone who is - dare I say? - woke. And right now, in my opinion, these are our best two choices. It is what I have observed. And some of this is pointed out in the article that started this thread. And I may have not been clear what I meant by “mini special interest groups“ they are groups that have issues specific to them. Like people of color, or uneducated white guys , or college educated white guys, or those who live in the mid west, or women etc etc. In 2016 almost 50% of registered voters did not vote. And IMO a lot had to do with the fact they felt their issues weren’t addressed. Or it was a woman. Personally I don’t care who you or anyone else votes for as long as you all show up and vote. Well, I don’t want people voting for that nut case residing in The White House. But the question is, if the Democrats nominate a white guy how many Democrats will stay home. The same question can be asked about any of the candidates running. If that person is nominated how many Democrats will stay home if their person isn’t selected? And the answer should be zero. But will it?
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Post by Anita on Apr 22, 2019 14:31:03 GMT
I will vote for the Dem that ends up with the nomination. I can get behind most of them, but quite frankly any of them will be better than the current occupant of the White House. A Harris, Butigieg ticket (either order) would be awesome. That. Male, female, young, old, human, zombie. I don't care. If they are the on D side of the ticket, I'm voting for them. Literally anything is better than the POS in there now.
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Post by bc2ca on Apr 22, 2019 19:47:02 GMT
What? What on earth? Do you have facts that lead you to say this or are you just supposing? For me, I will vote for any Democrat who can beat Trump, but I prefer it to be someone who is intelligent, calm and fair and who has - as far as I am able to tell - integrity. I like all the Democratic candidates this year, but the two I prefer are both men. One is gay and the other is a Chinese immigrant's son. Does this surprise the very liberal me? Not at all. I want someone who is - dare I say? - woke. And right now, in my opinion, these are our best two choices. It is what I have observed. And some of this is pointed out in the article that started this thread. And I may have not been clear what I meant by “mini special interest groups“ they are groups that have issues specific to them. Like people of color, or uneducated white guys , or college educated white guys, or those who live in the mid west, or women etc etc. In 2016 almost 50% of registered voters did not vote. And IMO a lot had to do with the fact they felt their issues weren’t addressed. Or it was a woman. Personally I don’t care who you or anyone else votes for as long as you all show up and vote. Well, I don’t want people voting for that nut case residing in The White House. But the question is, if the Democrats nominate a white guy how many Democrats will stay home. The same question can be asked about any of the candidates running. If that person is nominated how many Democrats will stay home if their person isn’t selected?
And the answer should be zero. But will it? It is a diverse party with some phenomenal candidates and tremendous overlap and appeal to special interest groups. The money and support just can't sustain all the current candidates. As the money dries up, they are going to throw their support behind someone still in the running and bring along their supporters. Bernie & his followers are the only ones I've seen walk away when they didn't win. They are not getting a 2 person race like they did in 2016. I'm not going to worry about them too much, as I'm not convinced Bernie is going to do anywhere as close to what he did in the last race. For starters, Elizabeth Warren wasn't a candidate then. I'm looking forward to seeing how it all plays out.
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Post by papersilly on Apr 22, 2019 19:59:28 GMT
I will vote for the Dem that ends up with the nomination. I can get behind most of them, but quite frankly any of them will be better than the current occupant of the White House. . i'd pretty much vote for a piece of gum stuck to the sidewalk just to oust the current occupant.
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Post by ladytrisha on Apr 22, 2019 22:15:05 GMT
Just a heads up - CNN tonight has Town Halls with an hour each of Klobuchar, Warren, Sanders, Harris and Buttigieg starting at 7pm ET. I'm recording all of them just so I can compare.
Hosted by Anderson Cooper, Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon.
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Post by AnotherPea on Apr 22, 2019 22:52:37 GMT
To echo someone upthread...
Please be careful with saying that you don't care who is on the ballot, as long as it is against Trump. That's how Trump ended up in office. Every single person I know that voted for Trump didn't want to, but did so to make sure Clinton didn't win. And it might be ego talking, but when the conversation comes up with some of them, they stand behind their decision. As cringe-worthy as Trump's actions/words are, they still believe that she would have done more damage than he has.
I'm no Trump fan and I don't want him in office for another 4 years. Ideally he won't run again. But, and read my words slowly before jumping through your screens, I do believe that there are worse people out there that could end up leading our nation. I'm shocked that Trump ended up on the ballot. If he could, then anyone could. And the next anyone could be worse. Some of you will say that no one could be worse than Trump, but I think anyone that has studied any World History knows that there is a possibility.
I never really understood how important primaries were until this last election.
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Post by littlemama on Apr 22, 2019 23:31:41 GMT
Honestly, for this next election I do not care. I want a nominee who can beat trump. That's who I'm voting for, whoever is the nominee. And I hope that Bernie does the right thing this time and asks his groupies to vote for the nominee also. My only criterion for 2020 is a candidate who can beat trump. And Im hoping Bernie does the right thing and drops out of the race. He will be nearly 80 at inauguration. That is too old for my tastes. My favorites so far (in no particular order) are Elizabeth Warren, Pete Buttigieg, and Kamala Harris. I dont mind Gillibrand, but I dont think she'll make it much longer.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Apr 23, 2019 0:00:36 GMT
Honestly, for this next election I do not care. I want a nominee who can beat trump. That's who I'm voting for, whoever is the nominee. And I hope that Bernie does the right thing this time and asks his groupies to vote for the nominee also. My only criterion for 2020 is a candidate who can beat trump. And Im hoping Bernie does the right thing and drops out of the race. He will be nearly 80 at inauguration. That is too old for my tastes. My favorites so far (in no particular order) are Elizabeth Warren, Pete Buttigieg, and Kamala Harris. I dont mind Gillibrand, but I dont think she'll make it much longer. I can't stand Bernie Sanders. I hope he drops out. I don't hold out any hope that HE'LL do the right thing and ask his followers to support the DNC, but I hope they learned from 2016 and will vote for the party's nominee.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 23, 2019 0:12:37 GMT
But, and read my words slowly before jumping through your screens, I do believe that there are worse people out there that could end up leading our nation. For my vote it would one of the mainstream ones. I am aware that there have been others joining the crowd in the last few days, not so mainstream for me. The numbers need to be cut soon to allowed voters to switch around to find their best choices.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 0:28:07 GMT
I want someone who is - dare I say? - woke I suppose I good google but what does this mean? Woke? Someone who understands we should judge people based on the content of their character and not the color of their skin, but won't vote for a white guy, because he's white. Someone who is for diversity of race, but not diversity of thought. Someone who in 2008 had no problem voting against Hillary to get Obama, but then in 2016 claimed if you don't vote for Hillary then you hate women. Someone who can differentiate between 97 different genders, but can't differentiate between legal immigrants and illegal immigrants.
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