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Post by jayfab on Apr 23, 2019 19:39:59 GMT
Lmao. We’ve went from...’why can’t they say the word Christmas!’ to OMG they said the word ‘Easter!’ It’s almost like the outrage is not authentic. (definitelynotadistractionfrommuellerreport) Yup - Just saw a bunch of clips of Fox hosts telling their viewers to be outraged. It's a war on Christians per Newt.
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Post by busy on Apr 23, 2019 19:40:48 GMT
Lmao. We’ve went from...’why can’t they say the word Christmas!’ to OMG they said the word ‘Easter!’ It’s almost like the outrage is not authentic. (definitelynotadistractionfrommuellerreport) Yup - Just saw a bunch of clips of Fox hosts telling their viewers to be outraged. It's a war on Christians per Newt. Fox used the term themselves. Good gravy.
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 23, 2019 19:56:16 GMT
Lmao. We’ve went from...’why can’t they say the word Christmas!’ to OMG they said the word ‘Easter!’ It’s almost like the outrage is not authentic. (definitelynotadistractionfrommuellerreport) Yup - Just saw a bunch of clips of Fox hosts telling their viewers to be outraged. It's a war on Christians per Newt. Actually, yes. It is.
Are you aware of the level of violence and persecution against Christians around the world? "... violent attacks on the faithful doubled from 2017 to 2018, with approximately 11 Christians dying every day for their faith" [ Source: Washington Times]
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Post by Merge on Apr 23, 2019 20:09:56 GMT
Yup - Just saw a bunch of clips of Fox hosts telling their viewers to be outraged. It's a war on Christians per Newt. Actually, yes. It is.
Are you aware of the level of violence and persecution against Christians around the world? "... violent attacks on the faithful doubled from 2017 to 2018, with approximately 11 Christians dying every day for their faith" [ Source: Washington Times]
And this has what to do with people using the term Easter worshippers?
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 23, 2019 20:11:31 GMT
Actually, yes. It is.
Are you aware of the level of violence and persecution against Christians around the world? "... violent attacks on the faithful doubled from 2017 to 2018, with approximately 11 Christians dying every day for their faith" [ Source: Washington Times]
And this has what to do with people using the term Easter worshippers? I was responding to a very specific remark from another poster, Merge. Perhaps I skipped over "Easter" and went straight to "It's a war on Christians per Newt". My bad.
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Post by busy on Apr 23, 2019 20:11:56 GMT
Yup - Just saw a bunch of clips of Fox hosts telling their viewers to be outraged. It's a war on Christians per Newt. Actually, yes. It is.
Are you aware of the level of violence and persecution against Christians around the world? "... violent attacks on the faithful doubled from 2017 to 2018, with approximately 11 Christians dying every day for their faith" [ Source: Washington Times]
Don't be disingenuous. You know that's not what was meant. You know Newt is talking about the term "Easter worshippers" as part of the "happy holidays vs. Merry Christmas" type of war on Christians.
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Post by katiejane on Apr 23, 2019 20:12:29 GMT
We will have to differ. I have no problem with Easter worshippers rather than Christians. I think it emphasizes the fact that a particular religious holy day was chosen. Also the tourists targeted are of unknown religious status. I think tourists and Christians sounds weird. Tourists and Easter Worshippers does describe both attacked groups which is fine for me.
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Post by Merge on Apr 23, 2019 20:39:14 GMT
And this has what to do with people using the term Easter worshippers? I was responding to a very specific remark from another poster, Merge. Perhaps I skipped over "Easter" and went straight to "It's a war on Christians per Newt". My bad. OK. Well, Newt and your newspaper article notwithstanding, Muslims remain by far the largest percentage of victims of religion-related terrorism. It's not possible to say exactly what proportion of victims of religious violence belong to certain religions because these records are not kept, but we do know that a huge majority of terrorist attacks take place in countries with majority Muslim populations - often Muslims killing other Muslims for not being of the right sect or ethnic group. The data in this article is a little old, but it provides a pretty clear picture of how great the disparity is. There is not a majority-Christian country in the top 10 for terror attacks and fatalities. BBC Article
I think it's a stretch by any measure to suggest that Christians are being persecuted worldwide, given this data. While we all agree, I'm sure, that even one death is too many, I don't think it's reasonable to look at those numbers and draw the conclusion that Christians are being killed for religious reasons more than other groups. I'd encourage everyone to do some looking into the Dominionist movement in American politics and consider why folks like Newt (and Ted Cruz, and lots of others) want us to believe there is a widespread war on Christianity. Look at their end times beliefs, and consider why they'd want us to think there is a looming battle between Christians and Muslims.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 20:41:16 GMT
I find the term "Easter worshipers" strange and uncomfortable because Catholic or Evangelical - none of us worships Easter. That's just a weird way of saying it.
Catholic or Evangelical ? What about the other Christians? Not all Protestants are Evangelicals. I don't find anything strange in saying Easter worshippers. They're people who worship at a particular time - Easter. It's no different than saying Christmas shoppers. They're shopping at Christmas. They're not buying Christmas.
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Post by busy on Apr 23, 2019 20:43:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 20:53:27 GMT
Fox News used the exact same term when talking about the Christians in France who wanted to attend Mass at Notre-Dame but couldn't due to the fire. Is that also offensive? Considering it was a repost of an Associated Press article AND they were reporting about people being upset about missing specifically the Easter Service, it's not the same thing as referring to the target... Christians as Easter worshippers. Whether you are bothered by the wording or not, those are 2 different issues and not equivalent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 21:26:59 GMT
Fox News used the exact same term when talking about the Christians in France who wanted to attend Mass at Notre-Dame but couldn't due to the fire. Is that also offensive? Considering it was a repost of an Associated Press article AND they were reporting about people being upset about missing specifically the Easter Service, it's not the same thing as referring to the target... Christians as Easter worshippers. Whether you are bothered by the wording or not, those are 2 different issues and not equivalent. Of course it's comparable. Easter worshippers couldn't worship at Notre Dame because of the fire is no different than Easter worshippers were killed in Sri Lanks because of a bomb.
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Post by chlerbie on Apr 23, 2019 21:34:27 GMT
I think it also emphasizes that it happened on one of the most holy days in the Christian religion. And that worshipers were there on EASTER. To me, I'd think an attack any day is horrific, but made more so when it is on one of the church's most important days.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 21:42:20 GMT
I think it also emphasizes that it happened on one of the most holy days in the Christian religion. And that worshipers were there on EASTER. To me, I'd think an attack any day is horrific, but made more so when it is on one of the church's most important days. It's been reported that they did it specifically in retaliation to the NZ shooting which the perpetrator then specifically chose Friday knowing that the mosque would be full for Friday prayers. In both incidents, they were after the greatest number of people in attendance at both places.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 21:46:40 GMT
Considering it was a repost of an Associated Press article AND they were reporting about people being upset about missing specifically the Easter Service, it's not the same thing as referring to the target... Christians as Easter worshippers. Whether you are bothered by the wording or not, those are 2 different issues and not equivalent. Of course it's comparable. Easter worshippers couldn't worship at Notre Dame because of the fire is no different than Easter worshippers were killed in Sri Lanks because of a bomb. Let me be clear, I think it's different because one was about not being able to worship ON Easter and one was about Christians being targeted. The other point was that Fox didn't write that headline renaming Christians to Easter worshippers, the Associated Press did.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:16:25 GMT
Of course it's comparable. Easter worshippers couldn't worship at Notre Dame because of the fire is no different than Easter worshippers were killed in Sri Lanks because of a bomb. Let me be clear, I think it's different because one was about not being able to worship ON Easter and one was about Christians being targeted. The other point was that Fox didn't write that headline renaming Christians to Easter worshippers, the Associated Press did.Well that makes it OK then doesn't it for Hillary Clinton and President Obama to use the same wording as the Associated Press did, they obviously read the AP report before hand. Solved the OP's problem with not using the word Christian in their tweets.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:33:16 GMT
Let me be clear, I think it's different because one was about not being able to worship ON Easter and one was about Christians being targeted. The other point was that Fox didn't write that headline renaming Christians to Easter worshippers, the Associated Press did.Well that makes it OK then doesn't it for Hillary Clinton and President Obama to use the same wording as the Associated Press did, they obviously read the AP report before hand. Solved the OP's problem with not using the word Christian in their tweets. I would think that for those that have a problem with renaming Christians to Easter worshippers, the fact that the Associated Press wrote it, wouldn't suddenly make it less bothersome.
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Post by busy on Apr 23, 2019 22:41:03 GMT
The other point was that Fox didn't write that headline renaming Christians to Easter worshippers, the Associated Press did. One would think that if Fox, their pundits, and their viewership were so offended by the term, they wouldn't have chosen to republish the AP story. OR, maybe, just maybe, they didn't give a flying crap about the term until Clinton and Obama said it and then they had to get their panties in a bunch about it.
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Post by jennyap on Apr 23, 2019 22:50:12 GMT
Of course it's comparable. Easter worshippers couldn't worship at Notre Dame because of the fire is no different than Easter worshippers were killed in Sri Lanks because of a bomb. Let me be clear, I think it's different because one was about not being able to worship ON Easter and one was about Christians being targeted. The other point was that Fox didn't write that headline renaming Christians to Easter worshippers, the Associated Press did. No-one is renaming Christians as anything The phrase ‘Easter worshippers’ is identifying a specific subset of Christians, namely those worshipping in the targeted churches at Easter. That’s like saying that calling Protestants Protestants is renaming Christians.
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Post by Sassenach on Apr 23, 2019 23:13:50 GMT
The OP gave two tweets from Hillary and Obama that show differences from two other tweets they made for similar events. You can either look at the differences yourself or not, but you're being dismissive to question whether she can think for herself or not. There have also been a lot of explanations that make sense, in that saying they are attacks on Easter worshippers is more specific, and does not take away from saying the word “Christian” which is what Easter worshippers are. What I said was that I hope the op IS thinking for herself and that the right wing media is not saying the same thing. Yes, I do think for myself. I'm an atheist, an independent, and I read the news from many different sources. Conservative to Left Wing and in-between. Sometimes there is a kernel of truth in what is being reported on MSNBC and sometimes the kernel of truth is coming from Fox News. And sometimes both media outlets sound insane. I don't think the left wing media is any more truthful than the right wing media. I came across these tweets on Twitter. Someone else had pointed out the different tone in the tweets from both Clinton and Obama and upon reading them for myself I agreed. Simple as that. All thoughts are my own.
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Post by jayfab on Apr 24, 2019 1:56:59 GMT
The other point was that Fox didn't write that headline renaming Christians to Easter worshippers, the Associated Press did. One would think that if Fox, their pundits, and their viewership were so offended by the term, they wouldn't have chosen to republish the AP story. OR, maybe, just maybe, they didn't give a flying crap about the term until Clinton and Obama said it and then they had to get their panties in a bunch about it.Winner winner chicken dinner.
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