peaname
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Post by peaname on Apr 24, 2019 20:47:49 GMT
If a young woman decides to have an abortion can she choose another Thirty One item of equal or lesser value?
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scrapngranny
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Post by scrapngranny on Apr 24, 2019 20:58:38 GMT
This is not something I would not be comfortable in supporting on many levels.
I’m very much pro choice, whatever choice the woman makes is the best for her.
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Post by scrapmaven on Apr 24, 2019 21:01:20 GMT
Though I am a fan of helping women in need, I wouldn't donate here. 31 benefits from this more than anyone. Even w/the consultant discount 31 is making a profit. The women who need these services need much more than a diaper bag. They need to figure out how to feed and diaper the baby. Who will buy clothes? What about medical care? Who pays for medicine and other infant needs? The reality for the women who come to this center is that they have 2 options in order to obtain services: keep the baby or give the baby up for adoption. A diaper bag is the least of their problems.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 24, 2019 22:52:48 GMT
I think you would have gotten a better response if you had posted that you were looking for donations to give to give first time parents as an incentive to attending parenting classes, not as an incentive for people to “choose life” after being preached to at an anti-abortion clinic.
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Post by myboysnme on Apr 24, 2019 22:59:43 GMT
I'll donate to planned Parenthood in honor of your birthday. Good one!! And a great way to help women, including pregnant ones. If someone would like to help women with bags, women's shelters and homeless programs like to receive purses and tote bags to give to women with feminine hygiene products, dry shampoo, sanitizers, toothbrushes and toothpaste, wet wipes and deodorant, for example, and in winter, a hat, gloves, socks, etc. For children they like to receive tote bags with some snacks, books, and other items a child might need and like to receive when they arrive at a shelter.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Apr 24, 2019 23:01:40 GMT
Good luck on your quest. I am always happy to see people trying to help those who need it. There are many ways to help many diverse organizations and people. I am glad there are people who support organizations who make a difference in someone’s life and help people who voluntarily choose to get their help. I also think that posting this thread is no different than any other thread. Some will hate it, some will love it, some will skip it, and some will read it when they should have just skipped it. What do you do? There would be very little activity on this board if people give in to the pressures of what they should or should not post. As long as it is not harming someone or overly offensive (although that is kind of subjective) I say go forth and post...but also prepare yourself for how the thread may go or the twist and turns that it may take. While my donation budget is limited and there are other organizations and causes that I am more aligned with, I commend you for trying to make a difference and hope that you can meet your goal. Very nicely said
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 1:21:50 GMT
No pregnant woman needs any type of “gospel “ Preached at them.
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Post by SockMonkey on Apr 25, 2019 1:48:57 GMT
Though I am a fan of helping women in need, I wouldn't donate here. 31 benefits from this more than anyone. Even w/the consultant discount 31 is making a profit. The women who need these services need much more than a diaper bag. They need to figure out how to feed and diaper the baby. Who will buy clothes? What about medical care? Who pays for medicine and other infant needs? The reality for the women who come to this center is that they have 2 options in order to obtain services: keep the baby or give the baby up for adoption. A diaper bag is the least of their problems. I mean, this feels like typical anti-abortion mess to me. You must have the baby, and then you're on your own, except for symbolic things or thoughts and prayers. Don't donate a bag. Support programs like affordable birth control and women's health care, affordable health care for children, daycare for all, preschool for all, guaranteed minimum income. Then we'll talk. Bags ain't it.
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Post by SockMonkey on Apr 25, 2019 1:57:52 GMT
ALSO.
Imagine this marketing. Decide to keep your baby? You get a FREE BAG!
Uhhh...That seems like one fucked up kinda coupon.
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Just T
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Post by Just T on Apr 25, 2019 2:34:39 GMT
Wow, this thread sure went off the rails real fast.
OP, I get that you want to do something sweet, and I commend you for that. Yeah, in the grand scheme of things and life, a diaper bag is pretty insignificant. I have to hope that this organization that you love and volunteer for does many other things for parents to support and care for them not only during their pregnancy but after the baby is born as well.
For the record, I am staunchly pro choice. I always have been, and I always will be. Will I donate to her cause? No, I won't. But I just don't like the way the OP has been treated by some here. She is excited to do something important to her and an organization that she is clearly passionate about.
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Post by izzyscraps on Apr 25, 2019 2:35:02 GMT
Oh my goodness y’all. It’s the parenting classes that they can or cannot attend that they get a free diaper bag and clothes and such to help them. It has nothing to do with whether she chooses to keep the baby or not. She doesn’t have to attend the classes. She doesn’t have to keep the baby!
This is gonna get me in trouble, but I just can’t believe the responses on asking for donations to help woman who chooses to keep the baby.
These are just mean. It’s a choice. Just like people want. A choice to abort. Or a choice to keep.
But if they choose to keep and they get a free diaper bag to help, and parenting classes to help I don’t see the problem. But of course I don’t right? I’m the horrible Christian who shouldn’t shove the gospel in people’s faces or even mention God.
Because what I believe doesn’t match what some others believe then I get berated and mean responses.
Yes there are some people who call themselves Christians that judge and look down upon. But I’m not one of them. And I guess you all don’t know that. Yes I can’t comprehend having an abortion.....but that doesn’t mean that I would judge anyone for having one.
But I’m sure all these words will be twisted and turned into something other than I meant.
I just can’t participate in this board anymore. I love the Peas and maybe I just missed it years ago, but it was a nice place to be. I miss that place.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 25, 2019 2:56:50 GMT
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 25, 2019 2:59:30 GMT
Oh my goodness y’all. It’s the parenting classes that they can or cannot attend that they get a free diaper bag and clothes and such to help them. It has nothing to do with whether she chooses to keep the baby or not. She doesn’t have to attend the classes. She doesn’t have to keep the baby! This is gonna get me in trouble, but I just can’t believe the responses on asking for donations to help woman who chooses to keep the baby. These are just mean. It’s a choice. Just like people want. A choice to abort. Or a choice to keep. But if they choose to keep and they get a free diaper bag to help, and parenting classes to help I don’t see the problem. But of course I don’t right? I’m the horrible Christian who shouldn’t shove the gospel in people’s faces or even mention God. Because what I believe doesn’t match what some others believe then I get berated and mean responses. Yes there are some people who call themselves Christians that judge and look down upon. But I’m not one of them. And I guess you all don’t know that. Yes I can’t comprehend having an abortion.....but that doesn’t mean that I would judge anyone for having one. But I’m sure all these words will be twisted and turned into something other than I meant. I just can’t participate in this board anymore. I love the Peas and maybe I just missed it years ago, but it was a nice place to be. I miss that place. I think the OP didn't accurately describe your intentions. Your post that said that the diaper bag was to give at the parenting classes gave a better picture of what was really happening. The OP made it sound like the diaper bag was something that the women got when they "chose life" (as you said). Many times, "pregnancy clinics" try to push their beliefs onto women and sway them to make the "right" choice or make them feel guilty about having/wanting an abortion. That is the reason that they "share" the Gospel and give an ultrasound. I don't know your clinic specifically, but The Daily podcast recently did two episodes on abortion. One woman that was interviewed said that at a religious clinic she told the provider (I don't know if that is the right term in that situation?) that she had too many problems (I believe drugs and mental health issues, among other things) and that she was not in a good place to care for a baby. The person told her that sometimes women just need a baby to motivate them to get their lives straight. Um....Ok. Because that always works out well. I think you have good intentions, but the reputation of these types of clinics leaves a lot to be desired, particularly among those who believe in choice. That is why you are getting the responses you are. And I do agree that some are overly harsh.
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Post by Skellinton on Apr 25, 2019 3:14:36 GMT
I agree that some responses are too harsh, but this fund raiser appears to be self serving to the 31 consultant and possibly the op if she gets a kick back from the “party”. . There are way less expensive diaper bags available and that 30 for the bag could go a lot further without benefitting a 31 consultant, I think that is part of why this post rubs people the wrong way.
You obviously have the right to your beliefs regarding abortion, as do other people. I personally would never support a clinic like the one you mention because I don’t think they do as much to help the woman and girls as you think. They are very judgemental, I don’t think they do enough to support the woman and girls after the child is born and I think they emotionally blackmail girls that are scared and have no support system.
Planned Parenthood provides much more important services for girls and woman, imho.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 25, 2019 3:15:27 GMT
Do they still send new moms home from the hospital with a can of formula in a diaper bag? I got that with both of my hospital stays and that was a very standard thing at the time. at least in the US, hospitals have been moving away from the free formula giveaways (sponsored, of course, by formula companies) in favour of pushing breastfeeding. I think there are pros and cons to both approaches so not passing a value judgment but I wouldn't count on a free diaper bag at birth anymore. Granted my “baby” is almost nine, but when I had her I left the hospital with a free sling style diaper bag with a can of formula inside, a small soft sided cooler bag and reusable ice pack to transport a couple bottles of milk or formula, I’m sure samples of diapers and wipes AND a free Medela electric breast pump. So even though there is definitely more of a push toward breastfeeding, the hospitals around here try to cover all their bases. (And FWIW, the diaper bag came from Similac and had the company logo embroidered on it down in the corner.)
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 25, 2019 3:24:55 GMT
at least in the US, hospitals have been moving away from the free formula giveaways (sponsored, of course, by formula companies) in favour of pushing breastfeeding. I think there are pros and cons to both approaches so not passing a value judgment but I wouldn't count on a free diaper bag at birth anymore. Granted my “baby” is almost nine, but when I had her I left the hospital with a free sling style diaper bag with a can of formula inside, a small soft sided cooler bag and reusable ice pack to transport a couple bottles of milk or formula, I’m sure samples of diapers and wipes AND a free Medela electric breast pump. So even though there is definitely more of a push toward breastfeeding, the hospitals around here try to cover all their bases. (And FWIW, the diaper bag came from Similac and had the company logo embroidered on it down in the corner.) I feel so deprived. I didn’t get any of that when I had my kids (ranging in age from 7 to 16). Especially not a free breast pump.
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Post by jamielynn on Apr 25, 2019 3:33:57 GMT
Do they still send new moms home from the hospital with a can of formula in a diaper bag? I got that with both of my hospital stays and that was a very standard thing at the time. Nope, now if you want to use formula or a pacifier you have to ask for it, then take counseling/education on the benefits of breastfeeding, and also sign off you understood the “discussion.”
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Post by jamielynn on Apr 25, 2019 3:37:16 GMT
This sounds more like a bag party where you get free gifts for sales and the host makes money. Is she selling them at her cost, and are the freebies being donated too?
I’d go to tj maxx, and get the high quality diaper bags versus the MLM aspect.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 3:38:17 GMT
Never heard of 31.
Sounds like an MLMs that has glommed on to anti-choice as a marketing tool?
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Post by jeremysgirl on Apr 25, 2019 3:38:23 GMT
I am one of those strange prolife prochoice people. I would like to see women choose life but I understand there are a lot of obstacles in many people's way. Likewise, I think there is room for all sorts of organizations and that many of them do good.
When my children outgrew their baby things, I donated them, to Catholic Social Services. Why? Because I wanted them to go to a woman who desperately needed them. So many good things that organization does for that county I formerly lived in and grew up in and I wanted to lend my support. I also took my kids there for non-religion based counseling when the divorce happened. They offer counseling on a sliding scale, but also take insurance. So I hoped that by using my insurance, paying copays, etc I was helping to subsidize a little bit of someone else's counseling needs.
On the flip side, I have used planned Parenthood for birth control services back when I was young and had no money. I am 100% in support of birth control as a means to accomplish my goal of not having women even have to make the decision to terminate a pregnancy. I donate to them, as well because I believe in that mission and I do think they do it well.
I view this as a team effort. We need everyone working together to try to minimize abortion. We need organizations to fill the holes in our social safety net. We need to do our part to try to help these women in any way we can. That's just my opinion.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 25, 2019 3:46:25 GMT
Granted my “baby” is almost nine, but when I had her I left the hospital with a free sling style diaper bag with a can of formula inside, a small soft sided cooler bag and reusable ice pack to transport a couple bottles of milk or formula, I’m sure samples of diapers and wipes AND a free Medela electric breast pump. So even though there is definitely more of a push toward breastfeeding, the hospitals around here try to cover all their bases. (And FWIW, the diaper bag came from Similac and had the company logo embroidered on it down in the corner.) I feel so deprived. I didn’t get any of that when I had my kids (ranging in age from 7 to 16). Especially not a free breast pump. Mine might have been covered by insurance but I got it at the hospital. When my niece lived here she didn’t get one with her first kid but she did get one after her second kid. They did send her home with a hospital grade one to use for free for several months though after her first kid. She moved to Iowa and she had her third kid there three years ago and got ANOTHER pump, also for free. There is definitely a pretty good push for women to breastfeed these days.
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Post by myboysnme on Apr 25, 2019 12:15:24 GMT
Here's how that original post could have gone differently for me. "I am volunteering with a clinic that offers services to pregnant women. The clinic offers parenting classes and I would like to be able to provide a diaper bag or tote bag to each woman who attends the classes, and as the classes continue the clinic will provide items to fill it from donated items, like diapers, wipes, blankets, bibs, etc. If you would like to help with this a donation of $30 provides the diaper bag and contents."
However the OP used the post to express her prolife views, emphasize what the clinic does and for who, and really, I'm glad she did in a way so I could steer clear. I don't think she needed to hair flip because she knew from being on this board that posts like that are going to have opposition and support, not always in equal measure.
Since I steered the thread south early on, I'm just chiming back in to say what could have changed the narrative for me.
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Post by ajsweetpea on Apr 25, 2019 14:06:15 GMT
Oh my goodness y’all. It’s the parenting classes that they can or cannot attend that they get a free diaper bag and clothes and such to help them. It has nothing to do with whether she chooses to keep the baby or not. She doesn’t have to attend the classes. She doesn’t have to keep the baby! This is gonna get me in trouble, but I just can’t believe the responses on asking for donations to help woman who chooses to keep the baby. These are just mean. It’s a choice. Just like people want. A choice to abort. Or a choice to keep. But if they choose to keep and they get a free diaper bag to help, and parenting classes to help I don’t see the problem. But of course I don’t right? I’m the horrible Christian who shouldn’t shove the gospel in people’s faces or even mention God. Because what I believe doesn’t match what some others believe then I get berated and mean responses. Yes there are some people who call themselves Christians that judge and look down upon. But I’m not one of them. And I guess you all don’t know that. Yes I can’t comprehend having an abortion.....but that doesn’t mean that I would judge anyone for having one. But I’m sure all these words will be twisted and turned into something other than I meant. I just can’t participate in this board anymore. I love the Peas and maybe I just missed it years ago, but it was a nice place to be. I miss that place. You have to realize though, abortion is a highly charged issue and when you post something of this nature, people are going to respond passionately. It would be the same thing if someone posted a thread asking for donations for Planned Parenthood. I personally think people need to work towards prevention of pregnancy. Better sex education (where abstinence isn't the only thing discussed), making birth control more accessible to teens who might be embarrassed to go into a store and buy condoms and those who don't have insurance, etc. And to make teens realize they are not invincible and they CAN get pregnant/get their partner pregnant.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 25, 2019 14:14:56 GMT
I feel so deprived. I didn’t get any of that when I had my kids (ranging in age from 7 to 16). Especially not a free breast pump. Mine might have been covered by insurance but I got it at the hospital. When my niece lived here she didn’t get one with her first kid but she did get one after her second kid. They did send her home with a hospital grade one to use for free for several months though after her first kid. She moved to Iowa and she had her third kid there three years ago and got ANOTHER pump, also for free. There is definitely a pretty good push for women to breastfeed these days. I’ve had clients who got free pumps through their insurance (Medicaid) but mine unfortunately never covered it. It was actually frustrating because I have known people who were on Medicaid and didn’t actually breastfeed, so they sold their free pump. I’m glad that some insurance companies are offering it, I just wish that it was across the board. That is my gripe with the insurance system in the first place. Politicians like to say that people on Medicaid have worse coverage, but from what I have seen that is not the case. Medicare is more restrictive as far as coverage and providers, but there are many services that Medicaid covers that commercial insurance doesn’t (or at least not many). Or that one commercial plan covers but another doesn’t.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Apr 25, 2019 14:25:10 GMT
No. Just. No. This kind of set up is using the same kind of brainwashing techniques as SPUC.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 14:26:25 GMT
Here's how that original post could have gone differently for me. "I am volunteering with a clinic that offers services to pregnant women. The clinic offers parenting classes and I would like to be able to provide a diaper bag or tote bag to each woman who attends the classes, and as the classes continue the clinic will provide items to fill it from donated items, like diapers, wipes, blankets, bibs, etc. If you would like to help with this a donation of $30 provides the diaper bag and contents." However the OP used the post to express her pro life views, emphasize what the clinic does and for who, and really, I'm glad she did in a way so I could steer clear. I don't think she needed to hair flip because she knew from being on this board that posts like that are going to have opposition and support, not always in equal measure. Since I steered the thread south early on, I'm just chiming back in to say what could have changed the narrative for me. Well, it is a PRO-LIFE Diaper Bag Drive so, expressing pro-life views would go right along with that. I'm always surprised at how so many people who are pro-choice object so vehemently when other people have a different choice and express it.
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Post by myboysnme on Apr 25, 2019 14:40:33 GMT
Well, it is a PRO-LIFE Diaper Bag Drive so, expressing pro-life views would go right along with that. I'm always surprised at how so many people who are pro-choice object so vehemently when other people have a different choice and express it. OK, so maybe a thread title that says, ProLIFE peas, donate to women keeping their babies." Then I can scroll by without opening it, before I get sucked into reading the whole thing and then rereading to make sure I get exactly what she is wanting. Then responding no and why. Planned Parenthood, for example, also supports women who plan to keep their babies or place them, so I think the way her thread started out it could have gone a different direction than I thought at first until I read it.
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Post by inkedup on Apr 25, 2019 14:47:30 GMT
Well, it is a PRO-LIFE Diaper Bag Drive so, expressing pro-life views would go right along with that. I'm always surprised at how so many people who are pro-choice object so vehemently when other people have a different choice and express it. OK, so maybe a thread title that says, ProLIFE peas, donate to women keeping their babies." Then I can scroll by without opening it, before I get sucked into reading the whole thing and then rereading to make sure I get exactly what she is wanting. Then responding no and why. Planned Parenthood, for example, also supports women who plan to keep their babies or place them, so I think the way her thread started out it could have gone a different direction than I thought at first until I read it. Maybe I've listened to too much Alex Jones, but I feel like the influx of "new" conservative posters is not coincidental. Remember that wonderful, kinder, more right leaning board they wouldn't stop hinting about? It almost seems like a few of those people decided to come back at the same time. Their posts all end up the same: with feverish defenses of Trump and with them crying about mean liberals and liberal hypocrisy. Much like this thread.
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Post by inkedup on Apr 25, 2019 14:50:00 GMT
Mine might have been covered by insurance but I got it at the hospital. When my niece lived here she didn’t get one with her first kid but she did get one after her second kid. They did send her home with a hospital grade one to use for free for several months though after her first kid. She moved to Iowa and she had her third kid there three years ago and got ANOTHER pump, also for free. There is definitely a pretty good push for women to breastfeed these days. I’ve had clients who got free pumps through their insurance (Medicaid) but mine unfortunately never covered it. It was actually frustrating because I have known people who were on Medicaid and didn’t actually breastfeed, so they sold their free pump. I’m glad that some insurance companies are offering it, I just wish that it was across the board. That is my gripe with the insurance system in the first place. Politicians like to say that people on Medicaid have worse coverage, but from what I have seen that is not the case. Medicare is more restrictive as far as coverage and providers, but there are many services that Medicaid covers that commercial insurance doesn’t (or at least not many). Or that one commercial plan covers but another doesn’t. I thought the ACA mandated insurance coverage of breast pumps? Maybe that's why you know people on Medicaid who received pumps while you did not.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 25, 2019 14:59:22 GMT
I’ve had clients who got free pumps through their insurance (Medicaid) but mine unfortunately never covered it. It was actually frustrating because I have known people who were on Medicaid and didn’t actually breastfeed, so they sold their free pump. I’m glad that some insurance companies are offering it, I just wish that it was across the board. That is my gripe with the insurance system in the first place. Politicians like to say that people on Medicaid have worse coverage, but from what I have seen that is not the case. Medicare is more restrictive as far as coverage and providers, but there are many services that Medicaid covers that commercial insurance doesn’t (or at least not many). Or that one commercial plan covers but another doesn’t. I thought the ACA mandated insurance coverage of breast pumps? Maybe that's why you know people on Medicaid who received pumps while you did not. I’m not sure. I think Medicaid has been providing them longer than the ACA has been around. I had a coworker who had a baby six months older than my oldest (he just turned 16) and she sold her pump that she got from Medicaid. I also knew someone who had a child about 11 years ago that got a free pump. My youngest is 7 so that would have been after the ACA was passed. Either way, it’s just one of those things that I wish was consistent among insurance plans. I exclusively pumped for a year with my oldest and breastfed my younger three for three years each (while working, so I had to pump at work). I would have appreciated not having to buy the pumps.
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