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Post by just PEAchy on Apr 30, 2019 20:33:29 GMT
What is your opinion of online universities, or do you have experience with one? I'm wondering if it would be a good fit for my ds. Here's a little background on him. He was diagnosed with narcolepsy his junior year of high school. He seemed to manage it pretty well, but he had us to help him out. He's very smart, but he did struggle his last few semesters and ended up with a 3.0 GPA (down from a high of 3.5). He got a 30 on his ACT, so he should have been capable of doing well in college.
Well, he's just finishing his first year of college (4 hours from here) and he's basically flunking out. His biggest problem was managing his narcolepsy. He is on medication, but his treatment also includes consistent sleep routines, diet & exercise, which is lacking-very common with first year college students. He either missed classes or fell asleep during them. He said he understood the material, but with missing so much classtime, he didn't complete assignments, take tests, etc.
He will be home in a week and I want to help him come up with a game plan for going forward. And I'm just wondering if an online school would be a good fit for him. I think he has the discipline to do the work and he can do it on his own time table when he's most awake.
Does anyone have experience with online schools or have an opinion on them? Do you think there are good job opportunities after you graduate? Also, this is a long shot, but does anyone have experience with narcolepsy-managing college and/or a job?
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Post by angieh1996 on Apr 30, 2019 20:41:21 GMT
my friend did an online university and the company she worked for paid for her entire BS degree. She loved it because she worked full time and was able to do classes around her schedule. I can't remember the name of the college she went to off the top of my head. I'd check around your area at local school or in state school and see if they offer any online degrees. Our local community college offers some online AS degrees.
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Post by christine58 on Apr 30, 2019 20:47:56 GMT
Many colleges offer online classes...maybe even the one he is enrolled it. Can't hurt. Might be better for him in the long run. I say give it a try
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Post by MaryMary on Apr 30, 2019 21:06:07 GMT
I will be finishing up my online degree soon through Western Governors University. It has overall been a positive experience. It was one of the cheapest options available to me and I love that I set my own pace and can finish classes at my own convenience.
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Post by luvnlifelady on Apr 30, 2019 21:20:26 GMT
This was some time ago but I heard that degrees from the University of Phoenix were not well respected in the job market. Perhaps a degree from a school that has a brick and mortar location with a better reputation would be a better idea.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Apr 30, 2019 21:24:18 GMT
Does the school accommodate his disability? Just another option to consider.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Apr 30, 2019 21:25:59 GMT
It's also possible he's enjoying college life and blaming his condition 😉
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Post by mom on Apr 30, 2019 21:26:14 GMT
I will be finishing up my online degree soon through Western Governors University. It has overall been a positive experience. It was one of the cheapest options available to me and I love that I set my own pace and can finish classes at my own convenience. My twin brother got his bachelors and a Masters from WGU. He loved his experience and had no trouble getting a job afterwards.
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Post by johnnysmom on Apr 30, 2019 21:32:32 GMT
I'm working on an associates degree from a community college a few hours away. All in all it's fine, but there's a couple things to be aware of:
1. If he's planning on doing classes w/ a school that isn't local make sure that the degree and the classes are 100% online (ask the advisor, don't assume it'll tell you when you enroll) . I was enrolled in another college but came across a course that required me to test onsite....kinda defeats my reason for taking online classes (flexibility). The college I'm at now wanted me to come there to do the placement testing but after talking to them I was able to do that at a closer college (the closer one didn't offer my program).
2. They are a lot of work. Right now most of my classes are only 8 weeks long, that's great but it's also twice as much work; I have to log in at least 5 days a week for 1 class and 3-4 for the other two. Granted I don't have to sit in a classroom for hours but having to check in so often can be a PITA. You have to really watch your schedule.
3. Don't plan on being able to work very far ahead, rarely will teachers allow it. One of my classes I have a test every weekend....it opens at 5pm Friday and needs to be completed by midnight Sunday night. Blah. There's some flexibility, but not a ton just keep that in mind.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 21:39:41 GMT
What is your opinion of online universities, or do you have experience with one? I'm wondering if it would be a good fit for my ds. Here's a little background on him. He was diagnosed with narcolepsy his junior year of high school. He seemed to manage it pretty well, but he had us to help him out. He's very smart, but he did struggle his last few semesters and ended up with a 3.0 GPA (down from a high of 3.5). He got a 30 on his ACT, so he should have been capable of doing well in college. Well, he's just finishing his first year of college (4 hours from here) and he's basically flunking out. His biggest problem was managing his narcolepsy. He is on medication, but his treatment also includes consistent sleep routines, diet & exercise, which is lacking-very common with first year college students. He either missed classes or fell asleep during them. He said he understood the material, but with missing so much classtime, he didn't complete assignments, take tests, etc. He will be home in a week and I want to help him come up with a game plan for going forward. And I'm just wondering if an online school would be a good fit for him. I think he has the discipline to do the work and he can do it on his own time table when he's most awake. Does anyone have experience with online schools or have an opinion on them? Do you think there are good job opportunities after you graduate? Also, this is a long shot, but does anyone have experience with narcolepsy-managing college and/or a job? Stay away, far far away, from schools that only exist online. An online degree is only as good as the school backing it. University of Phoenix and other for profit schools avoid like they are deadly. Most state schools offer online degrees or programs that are a mix of online courses with some in class courses. I am fine with working adults doing a degree completion online while working BUT I also hold the opinion that it is not a good option for young adults just leaving home. They need to be developing the people skills that come from living with non family, learning to navigate the expectations of a schedule that they don't necessarily like because that will be the work world he will be entering. Are you really doing your son a favor by letting him "skate" out of college for living at home and doing class when he feels like it? He is going to need a sleep routine for the rest of his life. The chances of him having a job that lets him work when he feels like it instead of developing discipline that he must get his sleep is highly unlikely. Personally, instead of online school at this point in life, I would have him find a full time job and work for a year or two while he decides how important a degree is to HIM, learn how to manage his life and have him save the money to pay for his next semester so he doesn't squander it by not sleeping. I would not be enabling him with easier solutions. IMO, I think he is playing you for sympathy. You need to move out of mommy protects her baby mode and let him stumble to find his own path so he is able to deal with his adult life.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 21:42:37 GMT
I'm working on an associates degree from a community college a few hours away. All in all it's fine, but there's a couple things to be aware of: 1. If he's planning on doing classes w/ a school that isn't local make sure that the degree and the classes are 100% online (ask the advisor, don't assume it'll tell you when you enroll) . I was enrolled in another college but came across a course that required me to test onsite....kinda defeats my reason for taking online classes (flexibility). The college I'm at now wanted me to come there to do the placement testing but after talking to them I was able to do that at a closer college (the closer one didn't offer my program). 2. They are a lot of work. Right now most of my classes are only 8 weeks long, that's great but it's also twice as much work; I have to log in at least 5 days a week for 1 class and 3-4 for the other two. Granted I don't have to sit in a classroom for hours but having to check in so often can be a PITA. You have to really watch your schedule. 3. Don't plan on being able to work very far ahead, rarely will teachers allow it. One of my classes I have a test every weekend....it opens at 5pm Friday and needs to be completed by midnight Sunday night. Blah. There's some flexibility, but not a ton just keep that in mind. Not only will you meet restrictions on working ahead, but also restrictions on working too far behind. Every professor makes their own determination as to what is too far behind. He will run into situations where the system allows work to be uploaded but the teacher won't grade it because the time clock said it was late. Doesn't matter why it was late. COmputer down, system down, internet down... tobadsosad.
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Post by johnnysmom on Apr 30, 2019 22:03:25 GMT
I'm working on an associates degree from a community college a few hours away. All in all it's fine, but there's a couple things to be aware of: 1. If he's planning on doing classes w/ a school that isn't local make sure that the degree and the classes are 100% online (ask the advisor, don't assume it'll tell you when you enroll) . I was enrolled in another college but came across a course that required me to test onsite....kinda defeats my reason for taking online classes (flexibility). The college I'm at now wanted me to come there to do the placement testing but after talking to them I was able to do that at a closer college (the closer one didn't offer my program). 2. They are a lot of work. Right now most of my classes are only 8 weeks long, that's great but it's also twice as much work; I have to log in at least 5 days a week for 1 class and 3-4 for the other two. Granted I don't have to sit in a classroom for hours but having to check in so often can be a PITA. You have to really watch your schedule. 3. Don't plan on being able to work very far ahead, rarely will teachers allow it. One of my classes I have a test every weekend....it opens at 5pm Friday and needs to be completed by midnight Sunday night. Blah. There's some flexibility, but not a ton just keep that in mind. Not only will you meet restrictions on working ahead, but also restrictions on working too far behind. Every professor makes their own determination as to what is too far behind. He will run into situations where the system allows work to be uploaded but the teacher won't grade it because the time clock said it was late. Doesn't matter why it was late. COmputer down, system down, internet down... tobadsosad. Absolutely! In fact I've had courses where the first week they require you to tell them your back up plan....having access to multiple devices, ability to use a different network (library, friend's house, etc). This weekend the school's system went down at 9pm Sunday (two of my courses have multiple things due on Sundays). We were granted an extra day for that, but I honestly wasn't sure they would so I was in a bit of a panic when I went to bed (after hitting refresh for almost 2 hours straight hoping it'd be back up). Another day the power was out in my entire city for the whole day, fortunately it came back up a few hours early than expected but I was sweating that too (I doubt I would have been granted an extension for that as it wasn't the school's fault). But I have due dates that range from Tuesday night to Sunday night; the week's work opens up on Sunday or Monday (depending on the class) so no working ahead or behind. The only benefit is that I can work at 9pm and don't have to drive anywhere. One more thing I forgot about is that participation grades are HUGE in online courses. I'm pretty sure in a regular class I'd sit in the back and be invisible 80% of the time.....not a choice online; most classes require multiple posts per day/week/topic including replies to classmates and that have to be "good" posts, no "I agree"
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Post by paget on Apr 30, 2019 22:06:55 GMT
I would only pursue a school with an actual physical presence that also offers o line options. That’s what I did with my bachelors degree and masters degree (two different schools one in my state and one across the country). My oldest dd is currently getting a second BA online from Auburn university. It worked out great for me!
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Post by christine58 on Apr 30, 2019 22:10:13 GMT
This was some time ago but I heard that degrees from the University of Phoenix were not well respected in the job market. Perhaps a degree from a school that has a brick and mortar location with a better reputation would be a better idea. Many states no longer recognize any teaching degrees from there...
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Post by papersilly on Apr 30, 2019 22:18:55 GMT
This was some time ago but I heard that degrees from the University of Phoenix were not well respected in the job market. Perhaps a degree from a school that has a brick and mortar location with a better reputation would be a better idea. plus the classes are expensive! my sister took some U of P classes years ago and i was shocked how much each class cost compared to what i was paying at a state university. it was 3x more.
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Post by mustlovecats on Apr 30, 2019 22:21:27 GMT
I got my master’s degree from the online branch of a brick and mortar university. It was the right approach for my life at the time and I got a good education.
My advice is it is best for a person with good work ethic and strong motivation. You need to be able to work independently and be comfortable with a lot of reading and writing. We still did a lot of group projects and we had to do it virtually. I had to learn to use video editing and other software to make presentations.
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Post by Zee on May 1, 2019 0:27:32 GMT
I got my bachelor's online through a respected brick and mortar school with a great online presence.
It is not easy if you're not very motivated, organized, and dedicated. I do agree with volt that it would be better for him at this point to work on developing skills to manage his condition. He'll need that even more than a degree.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 0:54:54 GMT
I will be finishing up my online degree soon through Western Governors University. It has overall been a positive experience. It was one of the cheapest options available to me and I love that I set my own pace and can finish classes at my own convenience. My twin brother got his bachelors and a Masters from WGU. He loved his experience and had no trouble getting a job afterwards. Wgu is a good school.
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Post by katlady on May 1, 2019 1:06:31 GMT
A co-worker got a bachelor degree from a school that is only on-line. It was pretty much do what you want to do when you want to. There was no schedules, no due dates, etc. The company paid for part of it, but she is now looking for a job outside the Company and many places will not recognize her Bachelor’s degree. Plus, the school is not accredited.
I would make sure the school is accredited, and I agree about doing an online program from a school that has a physical location. At the local community college they have a lot of online courses. These courses have set schedules. New lessons only open up at a certain date and old lessons close on a certain date. There is homework and quizzes that must be done by a certain date too. So you still have to do work within a set time period, you just don’t have to physically be on campus.
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Post by Gravity on May 1, 2019 1:07:30 GMT
If he isn’t disciplined enough to deal with on campus classes, he will not be successful with online classes.
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Post by gryroagain on May 1, 2019 1:47:57 GMT
My oldest dd is doing her bachelors online through a school that also has brick and mortar. She wanted to stay here in Korea, but Korean University was not what she wanted (or the Intl programs, which is a bummer because it’s super cheap!). She is a junior, and it’s been perfect for her. There are some frustrations based on the time zone issues (discussions and live lectures mostly) but most people won’t have that as bad as she does being in Asia!
But- she was home schooled and had experience with online classes and being in general a self starter. I think going online for the first time in college may be hard. Can he do a few classes part time or even just one to see how he likes it?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 1:55:30 GMT
I cannot say if online would be a good fit for your DS, but make sure that the school is aware of the situation and that he is working with the disabilities office. Every college/university is required to have one. He should be able to be accomodated for special needs, and if there are academic probation/suspension issues, or financial aid issues (like he received an F in a class, or stopped attending before the term was out, was charged in full for the class but did not earn a grade) you may be able to do an appeal when they backdate the class, he gets a W and a partial tuition refund.
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Post by 950nancy on May 1, 2019 1:59:36 GMT
This was some time ago but I heard that degrees from the University of Phoenix were not well respected in the job market. Perhaps a degree from a school that has a brick and mortar location with a better reputation would be a better idea. I think it might depend on the profession/boss. My principal rarely hired people from online universities. My Master's program was designed from a college on the East coast, but they had a small group of students that they had classes for in my city. They sent the professors to us for two weekends and we had class every three or four weekends. I loved it.
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Post by chendra on May 1, 2019 4:49:20 GMT
Also, this is a long shot, but does anyone have experience with narcolepsy-managing college and/or a job? I had undiagnosed narcolepsy in college; in fact, I wasn't officially diagnosed until about 20 years later. It was difficult to get doctors to take me seriously at that age; they all assumed I was a "typical" up all night, hard-partying college student. In fact, I slept during class, in between classes, never pulled even one all-nighter and skipped most non-required sorority activities and parties because sleeping was a gazillion times better than anything else. I sometimes look back and wonder how I graduated with double majors since all I could think about my senior year was sweet, sweet sleep. I didn't pursue grad school, which was my initial plan, because I knew I wouldn't be able to keep my eyes open and I didn't want to waste time or money. How did I manage it? Unfortunately, based on what you wrote, I don't think I have any advice that he probably hasn't heard. There were no online classes back in the 80's, so I can't speak to that, and personally, being on a computer makes me drowsy, ESPECIALLY if watching videos is involved. I slept as much as possible throughout the day (one reason I stayed in on-campus dorms all four years--sleeping convenience), but it didn't keep me from falling asleep in dimly lit lecture halls. However, I DID attend all of my classes, sleepy or not. I got to know people in every class and sat with them. They would poke me when I started nodding off, and we could compare notes. I walked everywhere, played a club sport, drank a lot of caffeine, tried not to schedule classes back to back, got an on-campus job where I had to stand and move around, and took lots of study breaks where I would take a walk or a cat nap. I also was part of student tutoring groups for a few subjects. Staying actively engaged with whatever was happening helped me, but when the wave of sleep starts to roll, it's near impossible to fight it. I wish him good luck in developing a strategy that works for him.
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Post by lesserknownpea on May 1, 2019 6:09:38 GMT
My DS has narcolepsy. It is a very frustrating condition. Every person has different levels of the symptoms. For DS, the cataplexy is even more debilitating than the excessive daytime sleepiness.
Anything routine can result in falling asleep. DS nods off whenever he’s on the computer, unless he’s playing some stimulating game.
Getting out and moving physically helps him get through the day, but frankly, while he is a talented and brilliant man, he is not a “success” in life. He barely makes it through each day.
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Post by gotranch on May 1, 2019 6:23:10 GMT
I personally know three people that have graduated from Western Governors University. All successfully employed in their field. One completed her student teaching in my classroom. As a cooperating teacher, I was very impressed with the professionalism and expectations that WGU had for their students.
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Post by katiejane on May 1, 2019 6:33:28 GMT
I have studied with the Open University in the UK. I am not sure the USA has an equivalent. It is well respected and held in high regard by employers. It is online, with no physical buildings or academic institution attached. Studying on line can be tough as there is not as much peer support. Mine provided books and reading lists, had monthly tutorials and a summer school (both optional) I had regular assignments with deadlines to meet. You do have to be self motivated to study and to keep on top of the work. It can really suit people, but depends on how well you do motivating yourself.
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Post by momto4kiddos on May 1, 2019 10:22:25 GMT
They can be a great way to get your degree, but I agree make sure you're looking at schools that are brick & mortar with an online program. I did a program a few years back and my ds is currently doing his Masters online (after doing his BS locally.) The concentration he wanted isn't available in the state and he works full-time so it's been a great way for him to take classes...although he'd rather be in a classroom himself.
And with that said, online classes are very different from being in a classroom. You have to be very motivated and self-disciplined. Basically assignments are set and there is a lot of reading/self teaching involved.
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Post by just PEAchy on May 1, 2019 13:38:33 GMT
Thank you all for your responses and experiences. Thank you, chendra for sharing your experience with narcolepsy and @kendramage for your advice on the disabilities office. He did take letters from his doctor to all his professors but I'm not sure if he went to the disabilities office. Whatever he ends up doing, it will be his decision. I'm not trying to enable him at all, I just want to give him suggestions. He is actually pretty independent, he graduated a semester early from HS (ironically by taking an online course that was his final required class) and moved in with some friends. He did everything himself as far as college went-he did all the paperwork, FAFSA, loan application, etc. I just gave him advice when he asked. So, I do think he's motivated, but is struggling with managing his disability and that's why I think he should either live at home or at least in the area. I agree that what may be best is working full time for at least the next year and maybe taking a class at our community college, either online or in person. Thanks again for all of your perspectives.
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Post by just PEAchy on May 1, 2019 13:41:16 GMT
My DS has narcolepsy. It is a very frustrating condition. Every person has different levels of the symptoms. For DS, the cataplexy is even more debilitating than the excessive daytime sleepiness. Anything routine can result in falling asleep. DS nods off whenever he’s on the computer, unless he’s playing some stimulating game. Getting out and moving physically helps him get through the day, but frankly, while he is a talented and brilliant man, he is not a “success” in life. He barely makes it through each day. Can I ask what your son does for a living? Did he go to college? I get what you're saying about making it through the day, I know this is going to be a life long struggle for ds.
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