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Post by bc2ca on Jun 13, 2019 2:07:28 GMT
OMG I totally had to watch episode 4 as soon as I had the chance this morning. It was such a good episode! Anyone else? Yes, I just finished the 4th episode. I can't with getting on board with this Serena/June/Fred "alliance" thing. I still remember Serena beating the crap out of June in Season 1 or 2, can't remember. Fred also beat Serena and had her finger chopped out. And we are supposed to feel for Serena and Fred? Uh...no, not buying it. I really liked the Emily scenes. I was glad she had some actual happy moments since she's been in misery for the past 2 seasons. I'm much more interested in seeing Emily/Moira/Luke and everyone in Canada than the weird Serena/June/Fred story line. And I still can't believe Aunt Lydia is still alive. That lady will never die. Poor Janine! Also holding my breath for June's baby in Canada, I hope they don't bring her back to Gilead. It is only an alliance in that they are using each other, not really working to a common goal IMHO. Fred and Serena need each other to maintain status of some sort in Gilead. Women are nothing without a spouse and I think Fred will lose a lot of power if he is seen as not even being able to control his wife. June is more than willing to manipulate and use both of them. I think Fred is the weakest of the three and will be shocked to find out he was used (can't decide if he is weirdly in love with June or not). Serena is struggling with the reality of living in a society where she can comfortably sit at the top and the realization of how quickly she can be discarded. The difference between her & Fred is she knows that June wants to burn it all down.
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Post by gale w on Jun 20, 2019 7:22:39 GMT
Did anyone watch today? I'm kind of confused. Did Serena keep part of what June gave her for Luke? He obviously got the tape but was that a phone in her bag or something? I wonder why she had a change of heart-or maybe she didn't. Maybe she had that planned all along? Or maybe seeing Nichole made it easier for Fred to convince her to take action.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jun 20, 2019 13:08:52 GMT
Did anyone watch today? I'm kind of confused. Did Serena keep part of what June gave her for Luke? He obviously got the tape but was that a phone in her bag or something? I wonder why she had a change of heart-or maybe she didn't. Maybe she had that planned all along? Or maybe seeing Nichole made it easier for Fred to convince her to take action. I'm a bit confused too. But this is what I think........ (Don't read if you haven't seen Episode 5 yet) I think that the phone in Serena's bag was given to her by the Canadian official who offered to help her stay in Canada. The only thing June gave Serena to give to Luke was the tape. I still don't know how/when Luke got the tape as they didn't show it. I missed what Fred said to Serena when she got back. We googled it and Serena said "It's all over now." Then Fred said "It doesn't have to be." Bam. Just when you think Serena has a conscience, she goes and does something shitty.
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Post by Rhondito on Jun 20, 2019 16:48:57 GMT
I honestly don't understand why Serena didn't just stay in Canada. She hates her life in Gilead and she hates Fred.
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Post by Rhondito on Jun 20, 2019 16:50:54 GMT
Also, can someone refresh my memory with this? Why don't the men have sex with their wives or try to have children with them? I understand some of the wives may be too old to have children but surely some, like Serena, are capable of giving birth?
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Post by mcscrapper on Jun 20, 2019 17:50:59 GMT
Also, can someone refresh my memory with this? Why don't the men have sex with their wives or try to have children with them? I understand some of the wives may be too old to have children but surely some, like Serena, are capable of giving birth? Toxic chemicals. And Serena was shot in the abdomen so maybe that is why she can't.
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Post by dawnnikol on Jun 20, 2019 18:14:28 GMT
Also, can someone refresh my memory with this? Why don't the men have sex with their wives or try to have children with them? I understand some of the wives may be too old to have children but surely some, like Serena, are capable of giving birth? She's not. It's rare for any of the wives to be fertile, that's one of the reasons they formed Gilead the way they did. I think there's only been one wife shown to have carried her own child? (I've read the book and watched, so sometimes I blur the two)
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Post by gale w on Jun 27, 2019 16:58:40 GMT
Did anyone watch last night? I don't understand what Nick was. He's a powerful guy who was undercover as a driver?
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 27, 2019 20:10:32 GMT
Also, can someone refresh my memory with this? Why don't the men have sex with their wives or try to have children with them? I understand some of the wives may be too old to have children but surely some, like Serena, are capable of giving birth? I assume they did have sex at some point but sex for pleasure is a sin in repressive Gilead, so if the wife is deemed infertile, they may stop once a Handmaid comes into the household. I've always assume they still do continue to have sex and try for their own child though it hasn't been explicitly addressed IIRC. I wonder if Serena is fertile and think it is pretty clear that Fred is not. IIRC, one guy was promoted to Commander for getting his wife pregnant and Nick and Eden were expected to have sex.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 27, 2019 21:12:30 GMT
I assume they did have sex at some point but sex for pleasure is a sin in repressive Gilead, so if the wife is deemed infertile, they may stop once a Handmaid comes into the household. I've always assume they still do continue to have sex and try for their own child though it hasn't been explicitly addressed IIRC. I wonder if Serena is fertile and think it is pretty clear that Fred is not. IIRC, one guy was promoted to Commander for getting his wife pregnant and Nick and Eden were expected to have sex Serena is infertile because of the shooting
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Post by myshelly on Jun 27, 2019 22:38:24 GMT
I assume they did have sex at some point but sex for pleasure is a sin in repressive Gilead, so if the wife is deemed infertile, they may stop once a Handmaid comes into the household. I've always assume they still do continue to have sex and try for their own child though it hasn't been explicitly addressed IIRC. I wonder if Serena is fertile and think it is pretty clear that Fred is not. IIRC, one guy was promoted to Commander for getting his wife pregnant and Nick and Eden were expected to have sex Serena is infertile because of the shooting The show runners have repeatedly said this is not true. They have repeatedly said that she is able to bear children. They have repeatedly said that if they had known people would have interpreted her getting shot in the stomach as having anything to do with fertility, they would have had her be shot somewhere else.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 27, 2019 23:30:50 GMT
The show runners have repeatedly said this is not true. They have repeatedly said that she is able to bear children. They have repeatedly said that if they had known people would have interpreted her getting shot in the stomach as having anything to do with fertility, they would have had her be shot somewhere else. Where is your info coming from? show runners? links please.
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Post by myshelly on Jun 28, 2019 1:44:31 GMT
The show runners have repeatedly said this is not true. They have repeatedly said that she is able to bear children. They have repeatedly said that if they had known people would have interpreted her getting shot in the stomach as having anything to do with fertility, they would have had her be shot somewhere else. Where is your info coming from? show runners? links please. Is there a question mark after showrunners because you don’t know what that means? It’s in multiple interviews in the extras section on Hulu, in the videos they post to their FB page after each episode, and in interviews. Here’s one article that says it: www.google.com/amp/s/amp.insider.com/handmaids-tale-why-serena-joy-is-young-2017-4Also, in the episode Coconuts and Treason Serena talks with her secret contact about having kids of her own. She knows she’s not infertile. Fred is the infertile one. That’s why SJ knows she has to get Nick to impregnate June. Then she taunts Fred with it.
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Post by amom23 on Jun 28, 2019 16:54:23 GMT
I found a lot of this week's episode to be pretty disturbing. Question: Does the book ever say what happens to the Handmaids once they are no longer able to bear children?
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Post by craftymom101 on Jun 28, 2019 18:37:49 GMT
I think I missed something at the end of season 2/beginning of season 3.
Does Fred know that June is responsible for getting Nicole/Holly out of Gilead?
How did Nick justify keeping Fred locked in the bedroom while the escape was happening? Why wasn’t Nick hanged for those actions?
I don’t know if I believe Serena would allow June to escape with the baby. She only cares about being a mom and June took that away from her (twice... the first time when she was pregnant).
What is Nick’s role within the Gilead military? Is he a high ranking official?
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Post by gale w on Jun 28, 2019 18:42:33 GMT
I found a lot of this week's episode to be pretty disturbing. Question: Does the book ever say what happens to the Handmaids once they are no longer able to bear children? I'm pretty sure they're sent to the colonies. eta: I haven't read the books. I missed that in your post.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 28, 2019 23:00:59 GMT
I read the book a loooong time ago, but the TV series has gone beyond the story, by quite a bit, even in season 1.
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Post by annabella on Jun 29, 2019 0:07:24 GMT
The show just isn’t interesting anymore, they really only had two seasons of material but are dragging this on.
I don’t understand why June stayed in Gideon? She could be hanged or sent to the colonies. Her daughter meanwhile is being raised by an upper class family and will be in society’s Top class.
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Post by annabella on Jun 29, 2019 0:13:42 GMT
I think I missed something at the end of season 2/beginning of season 3. I don’t know if I believe Serena would allow June to escape with the baby. She only cares about being a mom and June took that away from her (twice... the first time when she was pregnant). What is Nick’s role within the Gilead military? Is he a high ranking official? I think Serena hates her life, she used to be a respectable woman with a lot of authority now she’s a housewife that has to bow down to her husband. So I think she had a brief moment when she saw the kidnapping going down she felt she could give her child a chance at freedom, the freedom she missed. But now she’s broken and missed her baby deeply, the goodbye reunion only made it worse. I think for awhile she was done with Gideon and her husband but he thought it was just about the baby so he orchestrated the reunion and now she’s back in. I mean she could have stayed in Canada but didn’t.
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 3, 2019 21:27:00 GMT
The show just isn’t interesting anymore, they really only had two seasons of material but are dragging this on. I don’t understand why June stayed in Gideon? She could be hanged or sent to the colonies. Her daughter meanwhile is being raised by an upper class family and will be in society’s Top class. Um, because she loves and desperately wants her DD back!!!! Because any mother would do anything to save their child. At best she would be married to someone who would rise to Commander level, but what woman would want that life for her DD if she has a chance to get her out? Her status is completely tied to her father, then husband. If either of them falls into disfavor for some reason, her best hope is to be made a Handmaid or Martha.
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Post by gale w on Jul 4, 2019 8:02:15 GMT
Did anyone watch tonight. At first I thought, for some reason, that June knew that other handmaid spilled the beans. Then at the end I realized she didn't. I thought she was going to throw her over the rail! In the "inside the episode" they explained that June thought it was the Martha's fault that Hannah's family moved. I didn't even think of that during the episode.
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Post by norcalscrapper on Jul 4, 2019 16:01:56 GMT
Did anyone watch tonight. At first I thought, for some reason, that June knew that other handmaid spilled the beans. Then at the end I realized she didn't. I thought she was going to throw her over the rail! In the "inside the episode" they explained that June thought it was the Martha's fault that Hannah's family moved. I didn't even think of that during the episode. Oh wow, I didn’t even think of that! I was wondering why she seemed so angry when she was pulling the rope. Makes sense now.
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Post by gale w on Jul 12, 2019 16:30:02 GMT
I really liked seeing Lydia's back story this episode. I had a feeling that she was eventually going to turn on the single mom. I think she was embarrassed about the date and blamed her for pretty much talking her into it.
I did not expect that scene at the grocery store. Holy crap. 😳 I was looking forward to the pregnant handmaid's story playing out.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jul 12, 2019 16:33:03 GMT
I think she was embarrassed about the date and blamed her for pretty much talking her into it. Yep, that was my thought too...but holy cheese and crackers! Lydia just went for it! Yikes! No wonder dude ran out.
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Post by gale w on Jul 12, 2019 16:36:47 GMT
I think Lydia was way more lonely than even she thought. 😂
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Jul 12, 2019 16:47:05 GMT
Anyone else surprised June is still alive? I feel like the producers are letting her skate a little too much for the realities of the show.
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Post by Basket1lady on Jul 12, 2019 17:09:09 GMT
Anyone else surprised June is still alive? I feel like the producers are letting her skate a little too much for the realities of the show. I think this every episode. At the very least, you would think she's been deported. I think the Waterfords kept quiet about her because they didn't want to get blamed because ole Fred couldn't keep his women in line. But Aunt Lydia is on to her and so are others. Why hasn't June at least been punished like other handmaids? There are lots of punishments where she could still bear children. And why does June keep antagonizing those in power? Wouldn't she be better off flying under the radar and letting another character be the defiant one? Having said all of that, I really like this show. It's the only reason I keep Hulu and I'm fascinated where the story will take us.
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Post by casii on Jul 12, 2019 17:14:57 GMT
The whole judgement chant circle with the Handmaids was insane. Like they're possessed. Same with the childbirth chanting. It's like how bizarre can they get?
And why is it that in D.C. we see glimpses of a more permissive society with dances, what may be boy toys while being more Draconian with their Handmaids? Plus, is that Commander putting the moves on Fred? Will he be outed in a crazy episode in the future? Hmm...
And yes, June is blundering her way through rebellion with no thoughtful strategy. Other Handmaids & Martha's get far worse punishments for far less.
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Post by kernriver on Jul 12, 2019 19:32:21 GMT
I’m so disappointed in the way this season got nowhere.
Eta...wait a minute...I just saw the season has 13 episodes! I thought it was done at 8. Yipppee!
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Post by amom23 on Jul 12, 2019 21:20:51 GMT
Anyone else surprised June is still alive? I feel like the producers are letting her skate a little too much for the realities of the show. I think this every episode. At the very least, you would think she's been deported. I think the Waterfords kept quiet about her because they didn't want to get blamed because ole Fred couldn't keep his women in line. But Aunt Lydia is on to her and so are others. Why hasn't June at least been punished like other handmaids? There are lots of punishments where she could still bear children. And why does June keep antagonizing those in power? Wouldn't she be better off flying under the radar and letting another character be the defiant one? Having said all of that, I really like this show. It's the only reason I keep Hulu and I'm fascinated where the story will take us.
Well the show really is about June so killing her off would be like killing off Meredith on Grey's Anatomy.
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