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Post by ~Zoey~ on Oct 9, 2014 12:47:44 GMT
What do you think? Do you think there was bias as the family claims? What do you think about Rev. Jackson's involvement?
From an article on CNN:
(I tried to insert the link, but it's not working for me, but here it is: www.cnn.com/2014/10/09/health/ebola-duncan-death-cause/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
Duncan received experimental medicine on October 4 -- six days after admission to the hospital. It was a far longer wait than four other Ebola patients treated in the United States. Those patients -- two each at Atlanta's Emory University Hospital and the University of Nebraska Medical Center -- got experimental medicine immediately. They're all U.S. citizens; Duncan was a Liberian. His family is claiming bias. "We feel he didn't get the medicine and treatment for the disease because he's African and they don't consider him as important as the other three," said Josephus Weeks, his nephew. Not so, the hospital says. Since the drugs are still experimental, individual hospitals have to file the paperwork with the Food and Drug Administration for permission to use them. The hospital declined to tell CNN when it filed for permission. Family believes his insurance status played a role Duncan had just arrived from Liberia to visit his girlfriend and son, and probably had no insurance. The Rev. Jesse Jackson, who's serving as a spokesman for the family, said that was a concern. "I would tend to think that those who do not have insurance, those who do not have Medicaid, do not have the same priorities as those who do," the civil rights leader said. But the hospital denied the claim. Duncan was treated like everyone else, "regardless of nationality or ability to pay for care," Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital said.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 12:51:35 GMT
I can't imagine with all the national attention focused on this story that the hospital would delay treatment because of some sort of bias.
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Post by Sarah*H on Oct 9, 2014 12:57:42 GMT
If it was my loved one, I would be asking the same questions. The camera man is getting blood serum from Kent Brantly. Was this option offered to Mr. Duncan? If the hospital would disclose when it sought permission from the FDA to administer the experimental drug, it would answer some questions.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Oct 9, 2014 13:00:02 GMT
I saw Jackson on CNN yesterday and he was clearly laying out a lawsuit for the family based on race. While I think they have a basis for a suit based on the mistake made at the hospital when Mr. Duncan went the first time and the CDC leaving the family in the apartment for five days. I think the failures were a reflection that we are not as prepared as the CDC would have us believe rather than racial bias.
I think the family will sue. I said that after hearing CNN interview the half brother last week. Jesse Jackson looks in every corner to gin up racism claims.
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Post by quiltz on Oct 9, 2014 13:03:18 GMT
If Mr. Duncan would have given the information that he had contact with a sick person (not necessarily ebola) the first time he went to the hospital, this would have given more time for him to get medication sooner.
FWIW: I am a Canadian and really do not understand the whole civil liberties and "people of influence" rushing to the side of people of who they have no relationship with and then giving interviews/information to the media.
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Post by anxiousmom on Oct 9, 2014 13:03:35 GMT
If it was my loved one, I would be asking the same questions. The camera man is getting blood serum from Kent Brantly. Was this option offered to Mr. Duncan? If the hospital would disclose when it sought permission from the FDA to administer the experimental drug, it would answer some questions. I thought I read somewhere that the blood serum was offered but they decided not to go that way because the doctors felt it wouldn't do any good. Maybe because at the point he entered the hospital for care the illness was beyond a point where they thought it would be effective? I would include a link if I remembered where I saw it...
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Oct 9, 2014 13:04:17 GMT
If it was my loved one, I would be asking the same questions. The camera man is getting blood serum from Kent Brantly. Was this option offered to Mr. Duncan? If the hospital would disclose when it sought permission from the FDA to administer the experimental drug, it would answer some questions. I am not 100% sure but I think it was reported Dr. Brantly and the Ashoka Mukpo had the same blood type.
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Post by ~Zoey~ on Oct 9, 2014 13:12:51 GMT
I saw Jackson on CNN yesterday and he was clearly laying out a lawsuit for the family based on race. While I think they have a basis for a suit based on the mistake made at the hospital when Mr. Duncan went the first time and the CDC leaving the family in the apartment for five days. I think the failures were a reflection that we are not as prepared as the CDC would have us believe rather than racial bias. I think the family will sue. I said that after hearing CNN interview the half brother last week. Jesse Jackson looks in every corner to gin up racism claims. I saw an interview on Monday or Tuesday with the nephew and he stated that Mr. Duncan did not live in the same house as the pregnant woman. Too bad for him that when journalists went there it was proven to be true by numerous individuals living nearby. I completely understand the anger and frustration at the outcome and how this was perceived to have been handled as I would be feeling the same. What I wouldn't be feeling, however, is the need to jump right into the "let's sue the hospital" stage. And unless there was provable gross negligence from the hospital, I wouldn't even think to sue.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 13:14:58 GMT
If Mr. Duncan would have given the information that he had contact with a sick person (not necessarily ebola) the first time he went to the hospital, this would have given more time for him to get medication sooner.
FWIW: I am a Canadian and really do not understand the whole civil liberties and "people of influence" rushing to the side of people of who they have no relationship with and then giving interviews/information to the media. Well...he did tell the hospital that he had just come from western Africa...which should've been enough to warrant him being kept.
If the information wasn't relayed that he'd come from Africa to the people that needed to see it (for whatever reason) why would information that he'd had contact with sick people in Africa been routed to the people that needed to see it?
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Post by leftturnonly on Oct 9, 2014 13:16:57 GMT
If Mr. Duncan would have given the information that he had contact with a sick person (not necessarily ebola) the first time he went to the hospital, this would have given more time for him to get medication sooner.
FWIW: I am a Canadian and really do not understand the whole civil liberties and "people of influence" rushing to the side of people of who they have no relationship with and then giving interviews/information to the media. I'm an American and really do not understand the whole civil liberties rush that Jackson and several others pursue in any other way than personal glorification. Media whores. Self-agrandizers. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my reaction every single time they rush in to be the first on the air to proclaim racism.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Oct 9, 2014 13:21:59 GMT
If Mr. Duncan would have given the information that he had contact with a sick person (not necessarily ebola) the first time he went to the hospital, this would have given more time for him to get medication sooner.
FWIW: I am a Canadian and really do not understand the whole civil liberties and "people of influence" rushing to the side of people of who they have no relationship with and then giving interviews/information to the media. I'm an American and really do not understand the whole civil liberties rush that Jackson and several others pursue in any other way than personal glorification. Media whores. Self-agrandizers. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my reaction every single time they rush in to be the first on the air to proclaim racism. It's always a race to see if Jackson or Sharpton gets there first.
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Post by ChicagoKTS on Oct 9, 2014 13:22:52 GMT
If there's a camera, there's Jesse Jackson. His passion for a cause is directly related to how much he can get screen and print time. And if he has to stir an empty pot to achieve his goals, so be it.
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Post by redayh on Oct 9, 2014 13:41:08 GMT
It would most likely be a national origin claim rather than a race-based claim.
Carry on.
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Post by whopea on Oct 9, 2014 13:49:13 GMT
I saw Jackson on CNN yesterday and he was clearly laying out a lawsuit for the family based on race. While I think they have a basis for a suit based on the mistake made at the hospital when Mr. Duncan went the first time and the CDC leaving the family in the apartment for five days. I think the failures were a reflection that we are not as prepared as the CDC would have us believe rather than racial bias. I think the family will sue. I said that after hearing CNN interview the half brother last week. Jesse Jackson looks in every corner to gin up racism claims. I'll agree that it looks to be headed in that direction. I'm not a lawyer, but I think it would be hard for a non-US citizen to file a racial bias claim. Does a non-citizen have a claim to civil rights in the US? I also heard that suing the hospital would be difficult as well. Most states have a relatively easy malpractice claim process. A lawyer I heard yesterday indicated that Texas does not. You have to be able to prove gross willful negligence in Texas and sometimes the protections do not cover ER care, only hospital care.
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Post by anxiousmom on Oct 9, 2014 13:52:48 GMT
It would most likely be a national origin claim rather than a race-based claim. Carry on. What is a national origin claim? I am not familiar with that term...(I am not an attorney, so my knowledge is somewhat limited. LOL) But I would love to learn something new today.
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Post by annabella on Oct 9, 2014 14:06:08 GMT
I don't care. He's lucky he got FREE medical treatment being a foreigner without medical insurance. The "experimental" medicine is really just testing drugs out on human guinea pigs, more beneficial to the pharmaceutical companies.
The family has some nerve suing anyone when he knowingly put himself at risk for ebola then came to this country.
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Post by annabella on Oct 9, 2014 14:08:32 GMT
You have to understand that Jesse Jackson was in the hotel room with MLK the day he stepped out onto the balcony and got killed. Jesse lived the civil rights movement, he was there, experienced it, and has met thousands of people who were personally discriminated against. I've lived a very comfy life and can forget we even had that period of history in this country.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 9, 2014 14:18:07 GMT
It would most likely be a national origin claim rather than a race-based claim. Carry on. What is a national origin claim? I am not familiar with that term...(I am not an attorney, so my knowledge is somewhat limited. LOL) But I would love to learn something new today. National Origin Discrimination National origin discrimination involves treating people (applicants or employees) unfavorably because they are from a particular country or part of the world, because of ethnicity or accent, or because they appear to be of a certain ethnic background (even if they are not). National origin discrimination also can involve treating people unfavorably because they are married to (or associated with) a person of a certain national origin or because of their connection with an ethnic organization or group. Discrimination can occur when the victim and the person who inflicted the discrimination are the same national origin. Source: www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/nationalorigin.cfmIt is not about the color of your skin but where you come from.
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Post by sugarmama on Oct 9, 2014 14:33:06 GMT
Well, if the family sues and wins any damages, they will then be able to pay for the treatment he received--right?
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Post by katieanna on Oct 9, 2014 14:37:43 GMT
I don't care. He's lucky he got FREE medical treatment being a foreigner without medical insurance. The "experimental" medicine is really just testing drugs out on human guinea pigs, more beneficial to the pharmaceutical companies. The family has some nerve suing anyone when he knowingly put himself at risk for ebola then came to this country.
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Post by bearmom on Oct 9, 2014 15:01:51 GMT
If it was my loved one, I would be asking the same questions. The camera man is getting blood serum from Kent Brantly. Was this option offered to Mr. Duncan? If the hospital would disclose when it sought permission from the FDA to administer the experimental drug, it would answer some questions. Another article I read indicated that Mr. Duncan and Kent Bradley didn't share blood comparability.
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Post by Nink on Oct 9, 2014 15:12:37 GMT
Anytime Jackson or Sharpton get involved in anything I immediately tune out whatever it is, even if it was something I was interested in previous to their involvement. Be it right or wrong, that's my honest answer.
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Post by *KAS* on Oct 9, 2014 15:19:46 GMT
It would most likely be a national origin claim rather than a race-based claim. Carry on. That's what I would think, too? Although I think that's a stretch too. I didn't even know that Jackson was involved now, but I generally feel that he's real fond of a camera, especially in a story that makes a lot of headlines, so I'm not shocked. But my feeling is that the hospital knows it made mistakes when they didn't keep the patient the FIRST time, and were already anticipating a lawsuit. I don't think that mistake had any basis on Mr. Duncan's nationality. I can't imagine that they then didn't do everything they could to save him, because it would lessen their own potential for a lawsuit (not that hospitals aren't already in the business of saving lives - but if the admins know they are facing a lawsuit, I'd say they wouldn't be cutting any corners....) I've seen the memes with the picture of the 2 'white' people that were saved and the 'black' man that died that says "any questions". I get what it implies, I just think it's BS and does nothing to advance this country and race relations. They received an experimental drug that worked. Mr. Duncan didn't receive it b/c there isn't any more of it. They tried something else. Unfortunately it failed. His own delay and omissions possibly hurt his chance of survival as well. It's sad. We have A LOT to learn about Ebola and treatment and containment and proper screening, etc - and we want to focus instead on claiming this hospital has a bias against Africans?!?! We're better than that. Or we should be.
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Post by moretimeplease on Oct 9, 2014 15:48:41 GMT
Well, if the family sues and wins any damages, they will then be able to pay for the treatment he received--right? Best comment yet. I'd say the hospital has already paid enough by providing free treatment for this man.
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Post by anxiousmom on Oct 9, 2014 16:03:41 GMT
What is a national origin claim? I am not familiar with that term...(I am not an attorney, so my knowledge is somewhat limited. LOL) But I would love to learn something new today. National Origin Discrimination National origin discrimination involves treating people (applicants or employees) unfavorably because they are from a particular country or part of the world, because of ethnicity or accent, or because they appear to be of a certain ethnic background (even if they are not). National origin discrimination also can involve treating people unfavorably because they are married to (or associated with) a person of a certain national origin or because of their connection with an ethnic organization or group. Discrimination can occur when the victim and the person who inflicted the discrimination are the same national origin. Source: www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/nationalorigin.cfmIt is not about the color of your skin but where you come from. Thank you!!
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Post by peppermintpatty on Oct 9, 2014 16:06:32 GMT
BINGO! The CDC has stated that IF he had been seen earlier and was not as ill as he was, the medication could have been administered, IF and this is a big IF, they had the medication. The meds that were given to the 2 relief workers were 2 different types and neither of them, I have heard, is available anymore. They had no idea of any of these work. Right now the best defense is a blood transfusion. According to the CDC, he was offered a transfusion but they had not heard back from the hospital in TX and then were informed that he had passed away.
Is there bias because he was not a US citizen, probably. Were mistakes made? Absolutely Should a non-US citizen be given the same priority for meds in this country as citizens? While I would like to say no, the humanitarian in me says yes.
I honestly do believe that he knew he was sick and came to this country to receive care. If that was the case then no, he should not have received it.
Where is Al Sharpton? I am sure he will be all over this.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 9, 2014 16:13:30 GMT
Why Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton or any other "media" personality, I think it is overwhelming to most normal folks to have to deal with the media on something like this. So when someone offers to help them they accept.
Imagine watching your loved one die of ebola. He got from helping a sick pregnant woman. AND having to deal with the media, and to think that the hospital messed up and could have saved them if they had acted quicker. I can't imagine how hard it is on that family.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 16:56:42 GMT
Jesse Jackson is an opportunistic media vampire.
I guarantee that if the situation had been the same but the patient was a white South African, Jesse Jackson wouldn't pay enough attention to the media coverage on it to even line the bottom of his birdcage.
He may have aligned himself with Martin Luther King Jr. and been there the day he was assassinated, but he's no Martin Luther King Jr. in any way, shape, or form.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 16:58:16 GMT
I don't care. He's lucky he got FREE medical treatment being a foreigner without medical insurance. The "experimental" medicine is really just testing drugs out on human guinea pigs, more beneficial to the pharmaceutical companies. The family has some nerve suing anyone when he knowingly put himself at risk for ebola then came to this country. There are no facts backing up that he came here knowing he had ebola. I've seen it stated over and over with nothing to show its validity. Everything I have read says he had no idea. They thought the woman had pregnancy complications. Not ebola. Jesse Jackson is a moron though.
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Post by papersilly on Oct 9, 2014 17:08:47 GMT
on a side note, a little gratitude from the family would have been nice. gratitude to the staff who took care of him. gratitude for trying to save him. uggg. I hate it when people ignore the extraordinary care and effort they gave trying to save this man and immediately play the blame game.
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