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Post by lisacharlotte on Jul 11, 2019 16:59:27 GMT
It’s bullshit like this that perpetuates the myth that women are too sensitive and fragile to handle anything to do with the business world. And don’t fool yourself, this is business. This is their job and some of them are paid very well for the “free” content they provide.
I cannot wait until the pea holiday card exchange so I can pick which Kristina Werner card I’m going to copy “exactly”!!!
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Post by riley on Jul 11, 2019 17:06:50 GMT
It’s bullshit like this that perpetuates the myth that women are too sensitive and fragile to handle anything to do with the business world. And don’t fool yourself, this is business. This is their job and some of them are paid very well for the “free” content they provide. I cannot wait until the pea holiday card exchange so I can pick which Kristina Werner card I’m going to copy “exactly”!!! LOL couldn’t have said it better. I have never down thumbed her but I did unsub her. Something about her annoys me, just the sound of her voice. That plus half the stuff she does I couldn’t do in a million years, calligraphy no. And yeah these women need to pull up their socks.
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Post by LisaDV on Jul 11, 2019 17:10:24 GMT
I blame 14yo boys for everything that happens that I don't like on YT - that's my bias. lol)
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Post by riley on Jul 11, 2019 18:28:07 GMT
AND if Jennifer McGuire does one more fold card video I’m just going to scream. Another one today. I like her stuff but please...no more folds. Just me and no bad thumbs.
Fourteen year old boys is a good observation. As I recall 14 was the worst year for dumb stuff.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jul 11, 2019 18:52:17 GMT
Completely agree. I’m also not a Jennifer McGuire fan. It super annoys me when people defend Kristina or Jennifer by saying “look at how much work they do to give us all free content.” Um no. This is their job. J.O.B. Money honey. They make money off your views. Your clicks makes them $$$. Jennifer’s McGuire posts pictures of her at Disney and other places with captions about how hard she’s works to afford to do things like this. So no, she isn’t doing it for fun. It is not her not a hobby. She’s profiting off all of it. That makes her and everyone like her subject to feedback both good and bad. ✌️ Yeah. That!! You know how some people still watch over-the-air TV or listen to over-the-air radio "for free"!?!? Does that mean they don't get to have an opinion about a TV show or radio program? Of course not, because TV and radio aren't really "free". We "pay" by watching or listening to ads. Just like we "pay" for "free YTs" by paying slightly higher prices for goods because the goods makers give part of the purchase price to the YTers as a payment or as a free product. So, yeah. Watchers and listeners get to have an opinion, you delicate YTers. Because they're the ones who allow you to get income/free product. Just like they get to have an opinion on TV shows because they're the ones who watch and allow the show makers to get paid by advertisers. Everything has a cost. Our most limited resource is the time we have on this planet. It is finite. If we are spending our time watching something that we end up disliking, that is currency in the form of time that we cannot get back. That ought to be enough to warrant an opinion on something we invest our time into.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jul 11, 2019 18:55:56 GMT
I give out thumbs downs freely, but I do the same for thumbs ups. If the video is ok, I usually do not even rate it. It has to be noticeably great or noticeably bad. For example, I will give thumbs downs if a creator’s content is clearly lacking in comparison to their other content or if they did a noticeably bad job of getting their point across. Or if their title is clickbait and irrelevant. Or if it’s clear they haven’t prepared in the least. Lots of things can make a video pretty difficult to watch. But if a creator goes above and beyond with editing, is incredibly useful, is one of the most helpful videos on the topic I’ve seen, etc., they will totally get a thumbs up. I’m not a big Jennifer McGuire fan, but one thing I did like about her was that she isn’t into people spending all of their $$ on the newest products. She makes it clear she only has the craft room and supplies that she has because it’s her job. She doesn’t make people feel shitty about having less or being frugal. I appreciated her realism there.I think this is a reverse psychology move because the reality is, she links to everything and was reluctant to disclose they were affiliate links even though I think it's required that you disclose that type of information. She uses a stamp set essentially ONCE to promote the company and to get some sales from affiliate links. Her videos are getting longer so she can feature more new product to make viewers feel they need to own it all the while making a lot of money either by those affiliate links (she has more subscribers than most creatives out there) or because she's paid to showcase the item in addition to being given it for free.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jul 11, 2019 18:56:03 GMT
I had to check the Cathy z Stories. For someone bitching about others being negative, everything in the personal stories, NEGATIVE. A year ago she posted she was going to stop focusing on the negative comments. She needs a refresher or needs to just admit she’s a judgmental negative Nancy herself. Only it’s not directed at her friends, but at random strangers on the internet. Hmmm...just like all those strangers giving thumbs down. OMFG, Cathy Z must be the one leaving all the 👎!!!!! There, solved it.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 11, 2019 18:56:10 GMT
The thing is, mercytiara said that that's exactly what it means about the person leaving the thumbs down. SHE'S A FUCKING PSYCHIATRIST and is blanketing one action to define what someone must be like. If ANYONE should know better than to say some shit like that, it ought to be someone who spends their career delving into the complexities of the lives of people with issues (even just life problems, not necessarily mental health crises) and knows that everyone is complex and not a single action defines who they are, wouldn't you think? seriously? mercytiara is the person who said that anyone who thumbs-down a video is a miserable person? She just dropped down QUITE A FEW notches in my estimation. I don't like her video style, but honestly, the fact that someone with her education would say that bothers me WAY more than her video style EVER did.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jul 11, 2019 18:58:13 GMT
The thing is, mercytiara said that that's exactly what it means about the person leaving the thumbs down. SHE'S A FUCKING PSYCHIATRIST and is blanketing one action to define what someone must be like. If ANYONE should know better than to say some shit like that, it ought to be someone who spends their career delving into the complexities of the lives of people with issues (even just life problems, not necessarily mental health crises) and knows that everyone is complex and not a single action defines who they are, wouldn't you think? seriously? mercytiara is the person who said that anyone who thumbs-down a video is a miserable person? She just dropped down QUITE A FEW notches in my estimation. I don't like her video style, but honestly, the fact that someone with her education would say that bothers me WAY more than her video style EVER did. She actually made a video all about it because someone else she follows (don't remember anything about the person she mentioned except that it was a man) did the same and she agreed wholeheartedly about how a thumbs down 'says more about the person leaving it than it does about the content you're putting out there' and went on and on about it. It was pretty petty stuff, I tell ya.
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Post by pancakes on Jul 11, 2019 19:06:22 GMT
I give out thumbs downs freely, but I do the same for thumbs ups. If the video is ok, I usually do not even rate it. It has to be noticeably great or noticeably bad. For example, I will give thumbs downs if a creator’s content is clearly lacking in comparison to their other content or if they did a noticeably bad job of getting their point across. Or if their title is clickbait and irrelevant. Or if it’s clear they haven’t prepared in the least. Lots of things can make a video pretty difficult to watch. But if a creator goes above and beyond with editing, is incredibly useful, is one of the most helpful videos on the topic I’ve seen, etc., they will totally get a thumbs up. I’m not a big Jennifer McGuire fan, but one thing I did like about her was that she isn’t into people spending all of their $$ on the newest products. She makes it clear she only has the craft room and supplies that she has because it’s her job. She doesn’t make people feel shitty about having less or being frugal. I appreciated her realism there.I think this is a reverse psychology move because the reality is, she links to everything and was reluctant to disclose they were affiliate links even though I think it's required that you disclose that type of information. She uses a stamp set essentially ONCE to promote the company and to get some sales from affiliate links. Her videos are getting longer so she can feature more new product to make viewers feel they need to own it all the while making a lot of money either by those affiliate links (she has more subscribers than most creatives out there) or because she's paid to showcase the item in addition to being given it for free. If it were someone else, I would agree. But in what I understand about her personality, I don't think she's intentionally doing that. I think she honestly believes she's providing detailed information to help people make educated decisions on their purchases. Whether or not she's ACTUALLY doing that, though, is fair play for debate.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 11, 2019 19:25:28 GMT
where do I find Cathy Z's instagram story?? I found her instagram page, but I don't see where I go to find the 'story' (which is a video, right? I usually ignore the stories.)
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jul 11, 2019 19:26:38 GMT
I think this is a reverse psychology move because the reality is, she links to everything and was reluctant to disclose they were affiliate links even though I think it's required that you disclose that type of information. She uses a stamp set essentially ONCE to promote the company and to get some sales from affiliate links. Her videos are getting longer so she can feature more new product to make viewers feel they need to own it all the while making a lot of money either by those affiliate links (she has more subscribers than most creatives out there) or because she's paid to showcase the item in addition to being given it for free. If it were someone else, I would agree. But in what I understand about her personality, I don't think she's intentionally doing that. I think she honestly believes she's providing detailed information to help people make educated decisions on their purchases. Whether or not she's ACTUALLY doing that, though, is fair play for debate. I don't think that's the case...given her being an engineer in a past career. She's smart. It could the skeptic in me, who knows...but I choose the believe she knows full well what she's doing. Agree to disagree.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jul 11, 2019 19:40:21 GMT
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 11, 2019 19:43:26 GMT
It’s bullshit like this that perpetuates the myth that women are too sensitive and fragile to handle anything to do with the business world. And don’t fool yourself, this is business. This is their job and some of them are paid very well for the “free” content they provide. I cannot wait until the pea holiday card exchange so I can pick which Kristina Werner card I’m going to copy “exactly”!!! Yep and it ticks me off!!
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 11, 2019 19:46:26 GMT
yeah, but where do I go once I'm on that page to see the story? I see 'suggested stories' on the right sidebar of my home page but that's only people I'm already following-- and if I follow CZDesigns, it still doesn't come up as a choice. (I really shouldn't care this much, I know- but I want to see and hear what she says. plus, I'm bored, lol.)
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Post by crabbycrafter on Jul 11, 2019 19:49:13 GMT
I had to check the Cathy z Stories. For someone bitching about others being negative, everything in the personal stories, NEGATIVE. A year ago she posted she was going to stop focusing on the negative comments. She needs a refresher or needs to just admit she’s a judgmental negative Nancy herself. Only it’s not directed at her friends, but at random strangers on the internet. Hmmm...just like all those strangers giving thumbs down. OMFG, Cathy Z must be the one leaving all the 👎!!!!! There, solved it. Could not agree more. “Share Handmade Kindness” is trademarked. Looks like someone trying to protect an investment instead of someone actually spreading RAK (random acts of kindness.)
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Post by Elsabelle on Jul 11, 2019 19:55:16 GMT
The thing is, mercytiara said that that's exactly what it means about the person leaving the thumbs down. SHE'S A FUCKING PSYCHIATRIST and is blanketing one action to define what someone must be like. If ANYONE should know better than to say some shit like that, it ought to be someone who spends their career delving into the complexities of the lives of people with issues (even just life problems, not necessarily mental health crises) and knows that everyone is complex and not a single action defines who they are, wouldn't you think? seriously? mercytiara is the person who said that anyone who thumbs-down a video is a miserable person? She just dropped down QUITE A FEW notches in my estimation. I don't like her video style, but honestly, the fact that someone with her education would say that bothers me WAY more than her video style EVER did. I wanted to clarify my earlier post about someone saying that anyone who gave a thumbs down must be a miserable person. I think I must have been confusing Mercy Tiara and Janet/RTS or combining their words in my mind. What I was thinking about was Janet. She said that when a person gives negative criticism it has more to do with their character than the content and it's a thumbs down for the entire industry. Starting at 18:00. So Janet didn't say a person who gives a thumbs down is miserable. She's just questioning their character.
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Post by wendifful on Jul 11, 2019 20:05:23 GMT
Could not agree more. “Share Handmade Kindness” is trademarked. Looks like someone trying to protect an investment instead of someone actually spreading RAK (random acts of kindness.) Am I the only one that finds the "Share Handmade Kindness" catchphrase to be a bit odd? I guess for me it comes down to calling your own actions kind, which seems a bit presumptuous/egotistical, I guess because to me, "kind" is an adjective usually used for someone other than yourself. Saying you're kind is like saying you're humble. If you insist on saying you're humble, you're usually not. I've never heard anyone else have this view so I think I'm the oddball, but it's bothered me ever since she launched it. I know that's not what JM intended but my very literal brain insists on interpreting it that way.
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Post by pinklady on Jul 11, 2019 20:08:44 GMT
yeah, but where do I go once I'm on that page to see the story? I see 'suggested stories' on the right sidebar of my home page but that's only people I'm already following-- and if I follow CZDesigns, it still doesn't come up as a choice. (I really shouldn't care this much, I know- but I want to see and hear what she says. plus, I'm bored, lol.) Click on her circle avatar
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 11, 2019 20:10:09 GMT
thanks for clarifying- I listened to Janet (I love her ideas and her SB style, by the way) and actually decided I had to comment on the thumbs-down thing. She says she heard that statement in some 'how to youtube' training content / class she came across.
so basically the class was trying to say, "a thumbs-down isn't about you, it's about them." Which I think is isn't a great way to say it, but if it's from the viewpoint of trying to get new youtubers, I guess *maybe* I can see the sentiment- IMO, just not the best way to say it.
ETA: Cathy Z's story about 'remove from suggestions' rather than thumbs-downing is the story I saw... still didn't see the rant. but she is condescending even in that one, I'll say.
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Post by wendifful on Jul 11, 2019 20:13:14 GMT
yeah, but where do I go once I'm on that page to see the story? I see 'suggested stories' on the right sidebar of my home page but that's only people I'm already following-- and if I follow CZDesigns, it still doesn't come up as a choice. (I really shouldn't care this much, I know- but I want to see and hear what she says. plus, I'm bored, lol.) If you click or tap on her profile picture, the stories should come up. It's been more than 24 hours so that particular story is gone from her main feed, but it looks like she saved it under her "Personal" Stories feed. (These are circle icons below her profile picture and bio.) You'll have to tap through some older stories to get to it. Also, CZ doubled down in today's stories, showing how you can tell YT that you're not interested in a particular video by using the three dots below the video and clicking "not interested." That's a technique I use often, but it's usually to get YT to stop recommending videos I have no interest in watching. If, as many have said, I'm watching a video and I don't want to see any more like it, the thumbs down is by far easier. (CZ even acknowledged this, first saying her way was easier, then backtracking and saying, well, maybe not.)
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 11, 2019 20:20:55 GMT
dang- I feel old, lol!! I don't know how to get them to play so I can hear her talking! do I tab thru the right-arrow to get to the most recent ones? when I do that, I can't hear her.
eta: but I can tell just from her facial expressions that she's being a bit@h... she looks exactly like my older sister does when she's using her 'elementary school teacher talking to you like you're a second-grader' tone of voice. BLECH.
ETA2: my last edit, lol- then I'm going to quit with her. Because ALMOST EVERY ONE of her personal stories has to do with how she wants to focus on the postive, yadda yadda yadda-- and yet, then she bitches about how someone gave her a thumbs-down on one of her card-making videos.
I used to really like her sense of humor, too- but now? she's not so humorous any more.
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Post by wendifful on Jul 11, 2019 20:31:20 GMT
dang- I feel old, lol!! I don't know how to get them to play so I can hear her talking! do I tab thru the right-arrow to get to the most recent ones? when I do that, I can't hear her. eta: but I can tell just from her facial expressions that she's being a bit@h... she looks exactly like my older sister does when she's using her 'elementary school teacher talking to you like you're a second-grader' tone of voice. BLECH. Yeah, you just keep pressing the right arrow until you see that the date at the top of the story is more recent, like 1 day ago. Sometimes when I push through stories too fast, it takes my computer/phone a while to catch up and therefore cuts out the audio, so if that's happening to you, try giving each story a little time to load before hitting the arrow.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 11, 2019 20:38:04 GMT
ETA2: my last edit, lol- then I'm going to quit with her. Because ALMOST EVERY ONE of her personal stories has to do with how she wants to focus on the postive, yadda yadda yadda-- and yet, then she bitches about how someone gave her a thumbs-down on one of her card-making videos. I used to really like her sense of humor, too- but now? she's not so humorous any more. finally figured that out, lol- and I personally think she's turned into a bitch. talk about 'Negative Nancy' that's her. And her attitude about it (the story I'm watching about her own card video is from 7 weeks ago) is just soooo condescending and superior.
"so, you can take your lack of design know-how and shove it up your... " next story: (bitchy-face and tone of voice): "was that too aggressive? I don't know... I am 53 years old, and honestly I don't have that many <covers mouth> xxx to give." For someone who professes (loudly, and OFTEN, apparently) not to give a flying fu*k about what people think, she sure has a LOT to say about it!
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Post by hop2 on Jul 11, 2019 21:22:13 GMT
I just unfollowed both CZ accounts and JM. I'll continue to watch their videos when they look interesting. I already scroll right on by KW. I'm going to refrain from sending CZ any specific feedback. Better for me to pretend she doesn't exist right now. And although I started to write a vague bitchy thing in my own stories about negativity I decided just to post some pretty pictures instead. Yeah better idea to post pretty pictures as opposed to vague bitchy statements. I vaguebooked once on FB ( very rare moment, it’s literally just the once ) and it came up this year in my memories and I had no idea WTF I was whining about. That’ll teach me to be vague LOL.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 11, 2019 21:30:49 GMT
Honestly with that kind of open and juvenile complaining, they’re just going to open themselves up to a bunch of people thumbs downing them, because they can.
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Post by Elsabelle on Jul 11, 2019 21:45:59 GMT
It's a blue circle. There's a C with a z inside the C. If they have stories to watch there's an orange and pink circle around it.
ETA Oops! I see you got it.
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Post by curiouscrafter on Jul 11, 2019 22:10:25 GMT
I’m sick of scrap/card making celebrities complaining about thumbs down feedback on You Tube. Who cares? So what that someone didn’t like your video? Most of us get feedback in our job and it isn’t always positive. Sometimes that feedback is accurate and sometimes the person giving it is just an asshole. Whatever. If your feelings and ego are this fragile, don’t put stuff out in the universe. I haven't thumbs down anyone, but I want to when they spend the first 5 minutes just babbling about whatever. I just want to see the technique and end result, not hear you babble. Also, I want to when they are constantly talking about who's product they are using, its overkill to say the mfg name 5 times in a 10 minute video (5 minutes of it being babble). Put the name of everything in the description, but stop product endorsing in every sentence! But I don't thumbs down, because I don't want them to think I don't like the item they made.
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Post by refugeepea on Jul 11, 2019 22:41:17 GMT
I stopped watching Kristina after the video where she said people shouldn't copy her card designs directly. While on the one hand I understood what I think she was trying to say, I also felt like she didn't articulate it well and for newer card makers, made it seem like they were doing something wrong. That's not cool. I remember that! I really wanted to make some terrible cards, post them on instagram that kind of looked like hers, tagging her, and thanking her for the inspiration. Then I realized that's too much work.
Also, most of the cards I used to make were direct copies of what designers did, because for me, the joy was in the actual mechanical process of making the card, not in laying it out. If I created the card design myself, I spent forever second-guessing my placement, cardstock and ink choices and it was exhausting. When I was trying to enjoy myself, the last thing I wanted was to get anxious over more choices. This is so me! I don't want to come up with my own ideas for cards or scrapbooking. I enjoy the process, NOT trying to be creative.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 11, 2019 22:54:43 GMT
ooh, her attitude and superiority irritated me so much I posted a comment on her latest instagram post. oops. (I really should STOP thinking about her- except that the superior, smarter-and-better-than-you attitude reminds me SO much of my older sister.)
Here's the thing (I hate that phrase, by the way-- she uses it a lot)... I used to LOVE reading CZ's blog. I thought she was sort of sarcastic, but funny.
Has she changed, or is it truly a case of not being able to read 'tone' and not seeing her expression thru her writing? And now that I can see her talking (I never watched any videos of hers before), maybe I never WOULD have liked her had I heard her talking instead of just reading her writing.
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