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Post by gale w on Jul 23, 2019 16:18:04 GMT
There is a speech pattern that drives me nuts. The person that I first noticed it with's name is/was Loving Life's Little Blessings or something like that on YouTube. I don't mean any offense because it's probably not something they do intentionally, but sometimes things just bother you. I'm only listing her name because I'm curious if someone can listen to one of her videos and tell me what that speech pattern is and I'm not the best at giving descriptions. The best I can come up with is an over enunciation of consonants at the end of a word, usually the last word in a sentence. Nest would be nes-t-uh (the uh is throaty and depending on the person can also end in a higher pitch, too) or something close to that. I can handle the vocal fry, but this particular sound is nails on a chalkboard to me. The channel mentioned is the worst I've ever heard it and I had stumbled upon it over and over while searching for stuff in the past (predominantly PL core kit flip throughs) and I had to make a note to not click on any videos from that channel because it bothered me so much...which is why I can point to that channel as a reference whenever I think about this particular sound. There are others with the same habit, but it seems to be quieter/less noticeable or less frequent and therefore tolerable, but in cases where every sentence ends like this, it is up there in terms of sounds that I cannot stand (and I've developed a lot of issues with certain sounds in the past few years). Again, I know it sounds cruel to call someone out and I'm not meaning to, but the curiosity in me just really wants to know if there is an actual name for it so I don't have to describe it EVERY time I think of it. The description just seems like it would be something difficult to google (and my ears might not be able to tolerate listening to examples to find it, lol). I think I know what you mean. Chelsea from Teen Mom does it all the time.
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Post by riley on Jul 23, 2019 16:53:37 GMT
I know that speech pattern. I have to interact with a person with that pattern once a week. This person is also a chronic major advice giver. I wonder if the two patterns go together.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 23, 2019 17:30:17 GMT
There is a speech pattern that drives me nuts. The person that I first noticed it with's name is/was Loving Life's Little Blessings or something like that on YouTube. I don't mean any offense because it's probably not something they do intentionally, but sometimes things just bother you. I'm only listing her name because I'm curious if someone can listen to one of her videos and tell me what that speech pattern is and I'm not the best at giving descriptions. The best I can come up with is an over enunciation of consonants at the end of a word, usually the last word in a sentence. Nest would be nes-t-uh (the uh is throaty and depending on the person can also end in a higher pitch, too) or something close to that. I think I know what you mean. Chelsea from Teen Mom does it all the time. Ah, the extra schwa syndrome! We have a slightly similar phenomenon in French, especially within the Parisian crowd. Not sure if there is a term for this specific form of anaptyxis (addition of a vowel but traditionally in between consonants) but I'm also not keeping up with English language phonology news these days. Do we have any English language speech therapists in the house? It's like a very bizarre case of creating connected speech sans connection. While the extra schwa annoys me and makes me want to roll my eyes, the physical reaction I have to vocal fry is beyond my control like a case of bad chills that just gets to me, in the same fashion of hearing (literal) nails on chalkboard. I simply cannot listen to vocal fry speech for a prolonged time. I recently had to leave a talk at a convention because the (American) speaker's vocal fry was beyond what I could tolerate. I kept hoping the mic would have some problem and she'd have to speak up to be heard (which would solve most of the vocal fry issue naturally).
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Post by QueSeraSera on Jul 23, 2019 17:41:03 GMT
I had to stop watching Laura Wonsik because of her over the top vocal fry. The nasal drawl makes me irrationally angry.
ETA Ali Edwards has already been mentioned as a eardrums offender. I stopped watching her too because of vocal fry and lip smacking at the end of/between words.
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Post by gale w on Jul 23, 2019 18:13:31 GMT
I just looked at videos from both people mentioned in the previous post. If I listen for it I can hear it. I guess it's pretty obvious. But I'm not sure I'd really notice if I was just watching a video. Maybe I will now. I think my husband actually does it a little but at the beginning of sentences rather than the end. It's almost like he's winding up to say whatever he needs to say. It does bug me once in a while but not enough to say anything and I don't think he means to do it. It's just the way he talks.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 23, 2019 18:23:02 GMT
I had to stop watching Laura Wonsik because of her over the top vocal fry. The nasal drawl makes me irrationally angry. ETA Ali Edwards has already been mentioned as a eardrums offender. I stopped watching her too because of vocal fry and lip smacking at the end of/between words. To me when people stop watching and subscribing to videos, it seems like the people would want to know in case it’s something they can or would want to change. I hate hearing people ummmm when giving talks or speeches. Since I give presentations at work I had a co-worker count my ummms since we often don’t realize we are doing that. Which is why I don’t understand why youtubers wouldn’t want to know what quirks or mannerisms are costing them viewers. I’m talking to you hand flutters, ummmers and vocal friers
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Post by cbet on Jul 23, 2019 18:24:31 GMT
I started watching a youtube video by a dermatologist - something about good skincare items at the dollar store - and had to turn it off about 2 minutes in because of the vocal fry. Normally it doesn't bother me that much, but hers was SO over the top. If she were my doctor, I'd have to find a new one; the fry gave the impression that she was completely bored by what she was doing and just barely staying awake for it.
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Post by Elsabelle on Jul 23, 2019 18:32:04 GMT
I started watching a youtube video by a dermatologist - something about good skincare items at the dollar store - and had to turn it off about 2 minutes in because of the vocal fry. Normally it doesn't bother me that much, but hers was SO over the top. If she were my doctor, I'd have to find a new one; the fry gave the impression that she was completely bored by what she was doing and just barely staying awake for it. Was it Dr. Dray?
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Post by scrappersue on Jul 23, 2019 20:22:45 GMT
I started watching a youtube video by a dermatologist - something about good skincare items at the dollar store - and had to turn it off about 2 minutes in because of the vocal fry. Normally it doesn't bother me that much, but hers was SO over the top. If she were my doctor, I'd have to find a new one; the fry gave the impression that she was completely bored by what she was doing and just barely staying awake for it. Was it Dr. Dray? This who I thought of instantly too.
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Post by cbet on Jul 24, 2019 3:24:57 GMT
Well, thanks! I didn't remember, so I searched Dr Day on youtube and listened for 3 seconds and that's who it was. Ugh.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 4:20:43 GMT
Well, thanks! I didn't remember, so I searched Dr Day on youtube and listened for 3 seconds and that's who it was. Ugh. Wowsa. Fry doesn't even bother me usually, but holy cracking vocals, Batman. That was rough.
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Post by steakgoddess on Jul 24, 2019 7:44:30 GMT
the end of a word, usually the last word in a sentence. Nest would be nes-t-uh (the uh is throaty and depending on the person can also end in a higher pitch, too) or something close to that. . Youah mustah repentah! I always think of Southern Preachers when I hear people speaking that way. Luckily, I haven’t run into any crafty YouTubers with that voice pattern.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 24, 2019 11:47:44 GMT
the end of a word, usually the last word in a sentence. Nest would be nes-t-uh (the uh is throaty and depending on the person can also end in a higher pitch, too) or something close to that. . Youah mustah repentah! I always think of Southern Preachers when I hear people speaking that way. Luckily, I haven’t run into any crafty YouTubers with that voice pattern. Preachers? Oye, it’s like a loud breath type sound at the end of every word as if the next thing out of their mouth will be dragon flames instead of words.
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Post by refugeepea on Jul 24, 2019 16:27:02 GMT
I think Ali Edwards and Julie Fei-Fan Balzer I'm not familiar with Ali Edward's speech but I have heard Julie Fei-Fan Balzer on a scrapbooking TV show quite a bit. For some reason, that does not bother me. Probably because I'm concentrating more on what she is creating.
I think my husband actually does it a little but at the beginning of sentences rather than the end. It's almost like he's winding up to say whatever he needs to say. OMG YES! Except it bugs me a lot. "Soooooooo................I was talking to my cousin..................the one who lives in Seattle...........he's coming here to visit................
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Post by riversong1963 on Jul 24, 2019 22:41:38 GMT
I think Ali Edwards and Julie Fei-Fan Balzer I'm not familiar with Ali Edward's speech but I have heard Julie Fei-Fan Balzer on a scrapbooking TV show quite a bit. For some reason, that does not bother me. Probably because I'm concentrating more on what she is creating. I don't notice it as much when she's on TV. If you listen to her podcast, "Adventures in Arting," you'll really hear it. That's why I can't listen to it anymore. Her mother, who is also her co-host, sounds as if she doesn't open her mouth when she's talking. Between the two of them, it's an assault on my ears that I just can't bear.
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Post by refugeepea on Jul 25, 2019 15:28:59 GMT
I'm not familiar with Ali Edward's speech but I have heard Julie Fei-Fan Balzer on a scrapbooking TV show quite a bit. For some reason, that does not bother me. Probably because I'm concentrating more on what she is creating. I don't notice it as much when she's on TV. If you listen to her podcast, "Adventures in Arting," you'll really hear it. That's why I can't listen to it anymore. Her mother, who is also her co-host, sounds as if she doesn't open her mouth when she's talking. Between the two of them, it's an assault on my ears that I just can't bear. I can see how it would be more noticeable on a podcast.
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Post by 950nancy on Jul 25, 2019 15:41:23 GMT
Around 0:30 she demonstrates it, and then she does it by accident a few sentences later Ah thanks. I don't think I would notice that very much. I didn't notice at all when the person in that video did it by accident. I guess if it was pronounced and done over and over I might notice. What does bother me is how some people's voices go up at the end of a sentence. Almost as if they're asking a question. Not enough to leave a comment on it and probably not enough to keep me from watching a short video with it. This drives my boss crazy. I think women do this more often than men and many YouTubers do it. I have to make an effort to make sure I don't do it. I think it happens for me more in friendly conversations.
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Post by 950nancy on Jul 25, 2019 15:43:11 GMT
I started watching a youtube video by a dermatologist - something about good skincare items at the dollar store - and had to turn it off about 2 minutes in because of the vocal fry. Normally it doesn't bother me that much, but hers was SO over the top. If she were my doctor, I'd have to find a new one; the fry gave the impression that she was completely bored by what she was doing and just barely staying awake for it. I am imagining a bad SNL skit here.
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Post by tinab on Aug 4, 2019 0:45:49 GMT
Wendy Williams=Vocal Fry.
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Post by joblackford on Aug 4, 2019 20:17:10 GMT
I don't make videos but I just realized the other day, listening to myself talk, I think I do the vocal fry thing!
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Post by cbet on Aug 5, 2019 1:32:57 GMT
I don't make videos but I just realized the other day, listening to myself talk, I think I do the vocal fry thing! I don't think it's quite as noticeable in conversation, where you have more than one person talking back and forth. But in a speech, or a monolog, where you don't get a break from it, it's easier to notice.
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Post by giatocj on Aug 5, 2019 14:55:36 GMT
seriously? mercytiara is the person who said that anyone who thumbs-down a video is a miserable person? She just dropped down QUITE A FEW notches in my estimation. I don't like her video style, but honestly, the fact that someone with her education would say that bothers me WAY more than her video style EVER did. I wanted to clarify my earlier post about someone saying that anyone who gave a thumbs down must be a miserable person. I think I must have been confusing Mercy Tiara and Janet/RTS or combining their words in my mind. What I was thinking about was Janet. She said that when a person gives negative criticism it has more to do with their character than the content and it's a thumbs down for the entire industry. Starting at 18:00. So Janet didn't say a person who gives a thumbs down is miserable. She's just questioning their character. I am SO not a fan of Janet or her channel...she talks way too fast and tends to babble. I also don't like the format of her videos where she does the layouts off camera and then just explains them. All that being said, no thumbs down from me...just an unsub and moving on. I know she has a lot of fans but I just cannot get into her type of content. I'm glad you clarified that it wasn't Tracey who made the comment about the thumbs down because I do like her, and that kind of comment from someone in her profession would be really, REALLY disappointing. .
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Post by joblackford on Aug 5, 2019 17:33:36 GMT
I don't make videos but I just realized the other day, listening to myself talk, I think I do the vocal fry thing! I don't think it's quite as noticeable in conversation, where you have more than one person talking back and forth. But in a speech, or a monolog, where you don't get a break from it, it's easier to notice. I guess my instinct not to talk on camera is a good one then!
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Post by Embri on Aug 5, 2019 20:34:18 GMT
Different viewers like different things. No content is going to appeal to everyone - some like the chatty style akin to sportcasting play-by-play events, others just want a simple demo with minimal chatter, others want inspiration without the tedious step by step instructions, etc. There are many different flavours of content, and just as many if not more for audiences.
The point being, there will *always* be someone who hates what you produce. It's inevitable even in small communities.
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Post by lilacgal on Aug 7, 2019 13:47:39 GMT
I don't make videos but I just realized the other day, listening to myself talk, I think I do the vocal fry thing! I’m now so worried I’m doing this too when I talk in my videos! I’ve had bronchitis five times this year and ended up coughing so much and so many sore throats with it. My speaking voice is crap right now. My singing voice isn’t as gravelly, but then I’m focusing on specific notes. Talking is different. I hope I’m not driving people crazy with my videos.
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Post by baylorgrad on Aug 7, 2019 15:47:02 GMT
My biggest pet peeve regarding watching crafters on YouTube videos -- and this may have been mentioned before -- are the ones who narrate while they're doing whatever craft they're demonstrating. It's like they're making up their script as they go along, so you get these loooong pauses and um's and camera adjustments, etc. I notice this a lot more when watching knitting or crocheting videos. Film the technique, *then* do a voiceover.
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Post by joblackford on Aug 7, 2019 15:59:38 GMT
I don't make videos but I just realized the other day, listening to myself talk, I think I do the vocal fry thing! I’m now so worried I’m doing this too when I talk in my videos! I’ve had bronchitis five times this year and ended up coughing so much and so many sore throats with it. My speaking voice is crap right now. My singing voice isn’t as gravelly, but then I’m focusing on specific notes. Talking is different. I hope I’m not driving people crazy with my videos. I wouldn't worry about it. Some people care, most people don't. I think if you try to sound peppy and smile you probably sound fine - I think I go into the vocal fry when I'm fed up with life! And I have never had a good voice anyway - I get hoarse very quickly which I've read is a sign that you're not using your voice correctly. But anyway, you can't please everybody all the time anyway, so don't stress about it. Sorry to hear you've been so sick though! Wow, 5 times? That's horrible. I hope you're better now
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Post by 950nancy on Aug 9, 2019 4:08:27 GMT
I can totally appreciate all of the different styles of videos. I have my favorites. I love the ones who do double pagers and use papers and techniques that I usually use. However... my all time favorite craft YouTuber is a very talented art teacher from Belgium (I think). She rarely talks, but she just starts with some paper and the scissors and pencil starts going and I sit there just wondering what she is going to do. She uses techniques I never use and uses a ton of pink and flowers (I shudder!). I think I just appreciate her ability to create embellishments from scratch. The only unforgivable sin for me is jazz hands.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Aug 9, 2019 14:47:13 GMT
I can totally appreciate all of the different styles of videos. I have my favorites. I love the ones who do double pagers and use papers and techniques that I usually use. However... my all time favorite craft YouTuber is a very talented art teacher from Belgium (I think). She rarely talks, but she just starts with some paper and the scissors and pencil starts going and I sit there just wondering what she is going to do. She uses techniques I never use and uses a ton of pink and flowers (I shudder!). I think I just appreciate her ability to create embellishments from scratch. The only unforgivable sin for me is jazz hands. share so we can watch too!
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Post by cristelina on Aug 9, 2019 15:12:43 GMT
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