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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 10, 2014 13:09:00 GMT
After practice last night my 11 year old pointed out a big bump on his shoulder. I asked what happened and he said that the coach tackled him. He says that there was no apparent reason for it. He was in the position of running back and was running away from the coach after catching the ball, and then out of the blue the coach came running and knocked him down. I'm not a football expert so my details may be off. Anyway, DH emailed the coach asking what happened, giving him the benefit of the doubt that it may have been an accident, but hasn't gotten a response yet. DS now has a huge bruise on his arm. I'm generally not one to make a big deal of things, but I am wondering how others would handle it (I tend to actually under react). I feel like there is no reason for a grown man to tackle a kid, even if he does have pads on. What do you think? These coaches are parents.
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Post by pretzels on Oct 10, 2014 13:10:47 GMT
I think it's NBD. It's football.
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Post by scrappychick on Oct 10, 2014 13:34:35 GMT
That wouldn't fly with me either. An adult has no business tackling a child.
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Post by ~Susan~ on Oct 10, 2014 13:40:08 GMT
I would definitely want get the coach's story on what happened and go from there.
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Post by blue tulip on Oct 10, 2014 13:41:50 GMT
adults on my son's rocket football team often assist in tackles and such if the situation calls for it. it's a learning experience for the kids, say if they are really fast and the other kids have a hard time tackling them, the coach will step in because that runner still needs to learn how to be tackled. also, when showing other players what and how to do. really it wouldn't even have crossed my mind to write him about it, it's football. it's rough. my 9 yr old is covered in bruises from this season, some large, some not.
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 10, 2014 13:48:54 GMT
Is the team a middle school team of mixed ages or an elementary school team? That would matter to my answer. On an elementary school team, an 11 year old would be the oldest and even then, adults shouldn't be tackling them. But by middle school, on a team comprised of 11-14 year olds, the kids love it when the coaches play. The coaches can demonstrate plays and techniques and interact a lot with the kids. Even our head varsity football coach practices with the players and DS loves it.
I'm guessing your son didn't see the coach (acting as a player) coming at him and that's why he was tackled. Now, if the coach is 250 lbs and your son is 80 lbs, I would tell the coach that it's not safe. And it could be that the coach tried to take your DS down and it just didn't go as smoothly as planned. Generally, the players try not to hurt each other in practice, even with tackling drills, but it does happen.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Oct 10, 2014 13:59:51 GMT
I would have to know how much force was used, which you'll never know. If the coach knows your son got a bruise, he's scared. I doubt he'll do it again no matter how innocently he did it in the first place. I don't see the need to go any farther with it.
I wouldn't expect an email back. That's like him giving you the noose to hang him with. He'll probably think about his story, then casually pull one of you aside when you pick your son up. "Nah, it was nothing. Bruises can happen in football. Sorry he got a bruise this time."
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Post by bc2ca on Oct 10, 2014 14:00:53 GMT
adults on my son's rocket football team often assist in tackles and such if the situation calls for it. it's a learning experience for the kids, say if they are really fast and the other kids have a hard time tackling them, the coach will step in because that runner still needs to learn how to be tackled. also, when showing other players what and how to do. really it wouldn't even have crossed my mind to write him about it, it's football. it's rough. my 9 yr old is covered in bruises from this season, some large, some not.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 10, 2014 14:06:21 GMT
This is a 5th and 6th grade team.
I'm not really sure what to make of it. DS seemed to be irritated by it and it sounded like this has not happened before, to him or anyone else.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Oct 10, 2014 14:10:53 GMT
This is a 5th and 6th grade team. I'm not really sure what to make of it. DS seemed to be irritated by it and it sounded like this has not happened before, to him or anyone else. If your son is upset by it, tell him how to approach the coach to let him know he didn't like it. Have him report back, and go from there.
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Post by Miss Ang on Oct 10, 2014 14:14:46 GMT
As a sports mom of many years, my opinion is this: It's football. It's a contact sport. It's not ballet or golf. The coaches are there to teach and train not just babysit.
Now if the coach just came out of nowhere and pile drived your son while he was taking a water break on the sidelines that would be another thing. But it sounds like this was during a practice and part of football practice is getting tackled.
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Post by Peace Sign on Oct 10, 2014 14:25:33 GMT
I'm a new football mom this year. My son is 10. I'm still trying to figure out the ways of the team. They watch film but we've not been invited until last week. They do this after wins; that after losses. There are a lot of things that people just "know" and nobody has told us. We're figuring it out.
I've never seen any of our coaches tackle the kids. Show how to tackle, yes. Let the kid tackle him, yes. Generally speaking, I don't have a problem with what you mentioned BUT my kid is the smallest on the team and I have to say I would be mad if the coach tackled him.
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Post by lindas on Oct 10, 2014 14:51:11 GMT
After practice last night my 11 year old pointed out a big bump on his shoulder. I asked what happened and he said that the coach tackled him. He says that there was no apparent reason for it. He was in the position of running back and was running away from the coach after catching the ball, and then out of the blue the coach came running and knocked him down. I'm not a football expert so my details may be off. Anyway, DH emailed the coach asking what happened, giving him the benefit of the doubt that it may have been an accident, but hasn't gotten a response yet. DS now has a huge bruise on his arm. I'm generally not one to make a big deal of things, but I am wondering how others would handle it (I tend to actually under react). I feel like there is no reason for a grown man to tackle a kid, even if he does have pads on. What do you think? These coaches are parents. I think you have an 11yr old who, like most kids, has his version of what happened. First he said the coach tackled him then he ran on the field and knocked him down. He could have been running on the field shouting instructions and accidentally bumped into your son. Have you or DH ever attended a practice to see have the coaches coach? If not I would suggest that you do. How coaches react during a game is not a good indication of how they run a practice. Also, is the coach Heads Up certified through one of the USA youth football associations? That's something I would want to know.
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Post by 3dcrafter on Oct 10, 2014 15:02:07 GMT
As a sports mom of many years, my opinion is this: It's football. It's a contact sport. It's not ballet or golf. The coaches are there to teach and train not just babysit. Now if the coach just came out of nowhere and pile drived your son while he was taking a water break on the sidelines that would be another thing. But it sounds like this was during a practice and part of football practice is getting tackled. This just doesn't make sense to me I guess. I can understand being tackled by a peer who would be closer to the 11 year old's size physically, but to be tackled by a grown man who could easily be 200 pounds or more just sounds dangerous. Just as an example, there are different weight classes in other contact sports such as wrestling and boxing to even up sizes for a "fair fight", so isn't a grown man tackling an average sized 11 year old kinda of the same deal?
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Post by Miss Ang on Oct 10, 2014 15:03:48 GMT
As a sports mom of many years, my opinion is this: It's football. It's a contact sport. It's not ballet or golf. The coaches are there to teach and train not just babysit. Now if the coach just came out of nowhere and pile drived your son while he was taking a water break on the sidelines that would be another thing. But it sounds like this was during a practice and part of football practice is getting tackled. This just doesn't make sense to me I guess. I can understand being tackled by a peer who would be closer to the 11 year old's size physically, but to be tackled by a grown man who could easily be 200 pounds or more just sounds dangerous. Just as an example, there are different weight classes in other contact sports such as wrestling and boxing to even up sizes for a "fair fight", so isn't a grown man tackling an average sized 11 year old kinda of the same deal? I'm guessing (and I am only guessing ) that he isn't tackling an 11 yr. old with the same force as he would tackle another grown man. But the act of tackling in a modified way does not surprise me.
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Post by gar on Oct 10, 2014 15:20:31 GMT
As a sports mom of many years, my opinion is this: It's football. It's a contact sport. It's not ballet or golf. The coaches are there to teach and train not just babysit. Now if the coach just came out of nowhere and pile drived your son while he was taking a water break on the sidelines that would be another thing. But it sounds like this was during a practice and part of football practice is getting tackled. This just doesn't make sense to me I guess. I can understand being tackled by a peer who would be closer to the 11 year old's size physically, but to be tackled by a grown man who could easily be 200 pounds or more just sounds dangerous. Just as an example, there are different weight classes in other contact sports such as wrestling and boxing to even up sizes for a "fair fight", so isn't a grown man tackling an average sized 11 year old kinda of the same deal? Bear in mind that, with all due respect, we and mom, only have the child's version of events.
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Post by 3dcrafter on Oct 10, 2014 15:28:51 GMT
This just doesn't make sense to me I guess. I can understand being tackled by a peer who would be closer to the 11 year old's size physically, but to be tackled by a grown man who could easily be 200 pounds or more just sounds dangerous. Just as an example, there are different weight classes in other contact sports such as wrestling and boxing to even up sizes for a "fair fight", so isn't a grown man tackling an average sized 11 year old kinda of the same deal? I'm guessing (and I am only guessing ) that he isn't tackling an 11 yr. old with the same force as he would tackle another grown man. But the act of tackling in a modified way does not surprise me. thanks for answering ( : I've never seen a coach do this before(not saying that isn't done;just not my experience)...but gives a new food for thought on the subject for me. ....also with the new info. from the OP that the coach had never done this before, IMO I think that he should have communicated with parents and players that he would use "modified" tackles (if that was indeed what was used), and that these types of training should be expected. As a parent, I know I would feel more trustful of the coach to have this type of info. upfront.
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Post by 3dcrafter on Oct 10, 2014 15:55:05 GMT
This just doesn't make sense to me I guess. I can understand being tackled by a peer who would be closer to the 11 year old's size physically, but to be tackled by a grown man who could easily be 200 pounds or more just sounds dangerous. Just as an example, there are different weight classes in other contact sports such as wrestling and boxing to even up sizes for a "fair fight", so isn't a grown man tackling an average sized 11 year old kinda of the same deal? Bear in mind that, with all due respect, we and mom, only have the child's version of events. True... but aren't most of the posts on here just the Posters version? I personally am not stating what happened did indeed happen(i wasn't there); my posts are geared toward IF the tackling happened then why it would happen etc.(miss ang gave me a diff. perspective which I appreciate). I wasn't sure if your post was for me or not Gar, so I thought I would clarify just in case.
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Post by gar on Oct 10, 2014 16:21:17 GMT
Bear in mind that, with all due respect, we and mom, only have the child's version of events. True... but aren't most of the posts on here just the Posters version? I personally am not stating what happened did indeed happen(i wasn't there); my posts are geared toward IF the tackling happened then why it would happen etc.(miss ang gave me a diff. perspective which I appreciate). I wasn't sure if your post was for me or not Gar, so I thought I would clarify just in case. It was in response to your post but also was just another pov . True, all we ever have here is a person's own version of something but this was a child's version and the OP's DH had emailed the coach based on that. I'm not saying the child was making it up, I'm just saying that children can misinterpret events, can miss out vital bits of info when relaying a story to their parents and can miss hearing info from teachers/coaches etc etc so it's always good to keep that in mind when asking for clarification on events from the adults involved and it sounds as though the OP's dh did that
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Post by flanz on Oct 10, 2014 16:51:36 GMT
adults on my son's rocket football team often assist in tackles and such if the situation calls for it. it's a learning experience for the kids, say if they are really fast and the other kids have a hard time tackling them, the coach will step in because that runner still needs to learn how to be tackled. also, when showing other players what and how to do. really it wouldn't even have crossed my mind to write him about it, it's football. it's rough. my 9 yr old is covered in bruises from this season, some large, some not. I didn't grow up in this country and I have a strong dislike for the sport of football. As a mom, I can't see ever wanting /allowing my kids to participate in this.
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Post by blue tulip on Oct 10, 2014 17:05:41 GMT
adults on my son's rocket football team often assist in tackles and such if the situation calls for it. it's a learning experience for the kids, say if they are really fast and the other kids have a hard time tackling them, the coach will step in because that runner still needs to learn how to be tackled. also, when showing other players what and how to do. really it wouldn't even have crossed my mind to write him about it, it's football. it's rough. my 9 yr old is covered in bruises from this season, some large, some not. I didn't grow up in this country and I have a strong dislike for the sport of football. As a mom, I can't see ever wanting /allowing my kids to participate in this. fair enough. we're not a rabid football family or anything, but we support our kids in whatever sports they want to do, and this year he wanted to try football. the concussion data and long-term effects that are becoming really known now are certainly scary, and i do worry about him if he continues to play-right now he likes it a lot, but doesn't LOVE it. but we also know that we could forbid him to play this or other full-contact sports, or keep him coddled and safe, and he could get hit by a bus crossing the street to get the mail. so we want him to live life to the fullest, whatever that means for him, and take every safety precaution we can as we learn more about them.
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Post by naby64 on Oct 10, 2014 17:08:28 GMT
My boys have been in FB since 5th grade. Started in PeeWee. AND in a league where it was ALL about FB. They would practice more than the sr high team practices now. But I don't think I ever saw an adult tackle a player. Showed the players how to do things but not do it themselves. I would like to hear the coach's version of the story. Along with witness's version of how it went down. There is going to be an 11 yr old version, a coach's version and someone who is not involved's version.
Bruises, well that is just part of it. No matter who is doing the tackling. As senior high players and both of my boys having played and playing center, there's LOTS of bruises. And jammed fingers. And ankles getting stepped on. As a PP stated, I think Miss Ang, this is a very physical game. I do like it and think they are making some changes for the good of players and some changes where it almost seems like it is not even FB. You either like the physicality of it or don't. If people don't like it, then don't want watch or have family play.
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Post by flanz on Oct 10, 2014 17:09:24 GMT
I didn't grow up in this country and I have a strong dislike for the sport of football. As a mom, I can't see ever wanting /allowing my kids to participate in this. fair enough. we're not a rabid football family or anything, but we support our kids in whatever sports they want to do, and this year he wanted to try football. the concussion data and long-term effects that are becoming really known now are certainly scary, and i do worry about him if he continues to play-right now he likes it a lot, but doesn't LOVE it. but we also know that we could forbid him to play this or other full-contact sports, or keep him coddled and safe, and he could get hit by a bus crossing the street to get the mail. so we want him to live life to the fullest, whatever that means for him, and take every safety precaution we can as we learn more about them. You sound like really great parents!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 10, 2014 23:50:18 GMT
I definitely understand that bruises are part of the game, but was just trying to show that the coach didn't just bump into him. He has a bruise the size of a baseball on his arm, which is also swollen.
As for DS telling two different versions... that isn't the case. When I used the term "knocked him down" I was referring to him being tackled (which is what DS called it) and the physical act of him going down.
I do realize that there is more than one side to the story, which is why we wanted clarification from the coach. My post was more about wondering how other parents would react to this (would you even talk to the coach or just blow it off? Would you keep pursuing an answer if the coach doesn't respond to the email, etc?).
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 10, 2014 23:53:13 GMT
Also, I found out that this coach isn't a parent, he is a 20-something guy who volunteered to help coach. I guess he played college football and DS has said before that he acts like they are college kids.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 23:55:08 GMT
Also, I found out that this coach isn't a parent, he is a 20-something guy who volunteered to help coach. I guess he played college football and DS has said before that he acts like they are college kids. What does this mean?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 11, 2014 0:14:42 GMT
Also, I found out that this coach isn't a parent, he is a 20-something guy who volunteered to help coach. I guess he played college football and DS has said before that he acts like they are college kids. What does this mean? Acting like they should know the same plays and skills as older kids. It just makes me wonder if he forgets that he is that much bigger/older than the kids are. As far as I know, DH hasn't gotten a response yet.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Oct 11, 2014 0:32:15 GMT
DS played football. Bumps and bruises are common in contact sports. I would expect it was instructional. Perhaps your husband might want to watch practice. DS loved the exercise bull in the ring. That was years ago, I've heard there is controversy on that now.
If you son is apprehensive and afraid to get hit - this isn't the sport for him.
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Post by SabrinaM on Oct 11, 2014 0:39:34 GMT
Well, you're just better than the parents in my little town, I guess. The majority of the little boys here play football. The little girls cheer. My girls read. They hate sports.
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Post by Jennifer C on Oct 11, 2014 1:12:13 GMT
How big is your son? How long has your son been playing?
My ds is 9, almost 10 and has been playing football since he was 5 (flag football.) My boy is big. BIG. He wears a size 8 men's shoe, is 5'5 and weighs 135 and fast. We've sent him to both A&M and UT summer football camps.
Everywhere he has played or participated, a coach or assistant coach has to be the one to tackle my son. He's a head taller than most of the boys in his class or team and outweighs them. They can not teach him how to be tackled. A bigger stature guy does this.
Jennifer
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