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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 4, 2019 9:58:29 GMT
Except tweet out pathetic “thoughts and prayers” bullshit.
# of mass shootings per country in the calendar year 2019, including today’s shooting in El Paso, Texas
🇦🇹 0 🇩🇰 0 🇫🇮 0 🇩🇪 0 🇮🇹 0 🇮🇪 0 🇱🇺 0 🇨🇭 0 🇬🇧 0 🇭🇺 0 🇪🇸 0 🇵🇹 0 🇸🇬 0 🇸🇦 0 🇧🇪 0 🇸🇪 0 🇦🇺 0 🇫🇷 0 🇳🇿 1 🇳🇱 1 🇧🇷 1 🇨🇦 1 🇲🇽 3 🇺🇸 249
Today is the 215th day of 2019
#BanAssaultWeapons
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 4, 2019 9:59:07 GMT
Jesus Christ, another one in Dayton.
So now it’s up to 250 this year.
(Edited to correct the number)
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Post by georgiapea on Aug 4, 2019 10:07:38 GMT
I just saw about the Dayton shooting with 10 dead. Horrible.
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Post by amom23 on Aug 4, 2019 11:27:55 GMT
It doesn't matter what our skin color is or what religion we follow.....none of us our safe. If you live in the USA expect you, your family or your friend will eventually die of gun violence. Congress will at most have a moment of silence and offer their prayers. This is our new normal.
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Post by peabay on Aug 4, 2019 11:48:56 GMT
If you have not already, please join Moms Demand Action: Moms DemandIf Congress won't do anything, at least we can try to do something. This is not a mental health issue. It's a GUN issue. You can delude yourselves all you want with the mental health stuff, but massacres like this do not happen in other countries twice in 24 hours.
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Post by Kate * on Aug 4, 2019 11:58:54 GMT
Horrible horrible horrible. Agree it is a gun issue, but also a mental health issue. And don't go out into crowded public areas.
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Post by amom23 on Aug 4, 2019 12:43:38 GMT
Horrible horrible horrible. Agree it is a gun issue, but also a mental health issue. And don't go out into crowded public areas.
And don't go to church, school, a movie theatre.....
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Post by ddly on Aug 4, 2019 13:06:50 GMT
It was scary last year when our lock down drills at school became drills to train kids to fight back. What is happening to this country?!
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Post by peabay on Aug 4, 2019 13:21:39 GMT
Horrible horrible horrible. Agree it is a gun issue, but also a mental health issue. And don't go out into crowded public areas. It's only a mental health issue for those who believe the NRA that more guns are the answer. We are a nation of "fuck you, I love guns." And if that means an unstable, white young man gets his hands on one (or more), so be it. Because "fuck you, I love guns."
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 4, 2019 13:23:28 GMT
On CBS Sunday Morning, right now.... Doctors talking about gun deaths/violence!! Doctors are being told to stay in their lane ............... What do they know about guns?!?!?! In the 1950s doctors addressed ... need to stop deaths in car accdents!! In the 1980s doctors addressed ... need to stop deaths smoking! In the 1990s doctors addressed ... need to stop deaths from HIV!! WHAT is the common denominator?
DOCTORS saving lives, ALL lives!!
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Post by lesley on Aug 4, 2019 13:37:29 GMT
Horrible horrible horrible. Agree it is a gun issue, but also a mental health issue. And don't go out into crowded public areas. It's only a mental health issue for those who believe the NRA that more guns are the answer. We are a nation of "fuck you, I love guns." And if that means an unstable, white young man gets his hands on one (or more), so be it. Because "fuck you, I love guns." Absolutely this. Other countries have mentally ill people. Other countries have issues with patchy or non-existent mental healthcare. I know adult mental health services in my part of Scotland are frustratingly difficult to access. No other country has the gun issues that the USA has. It is a gun issue. You know, I love the US. I’m about to have my 21st trip there next month. For the first time ever, I’m actually worried about the possibility of gun violence affecting us. I’m spending two weeks in Orlando with my kids and their partners, and I feel it’s just a matter of time before someone shoots up one of the big theme parks. I know there is security, but security can be got around.
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Post by katybee on Aug 4, 2019 14:42:14 GMT
It’s a gun issue. It’s a mental health issue. It’s a racist issue. It’s a toxic masculinity issue. It’s a hate issue.
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 4, 2019 14:46:08 GMT
It's a gun issue. It's a gun issue. It's a gun issue. It's a gun issue. It's a gun issue.
I don't know how many times we need to fucking say it or who else needs to hear it, but it's a FUCKING GUN ISSUE.
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 4, 2019 14:53:12 GMT
I just sat at my counter and cried this morning.
I'm going to walk into school tomorrow and welcome a bunch of freshmen. And I don't know how to tell them they're safe in our school.
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Post by katybee on Aug 4, 2019 14:56:06 GMT
It's a gun issue. It's a gun issue. It's a gun issue. It's a gun issue. It's a gun issue. I don't know how many times we need to fucking say it or who else needs to hear it, but it's a FUCKING GUN ISSUE. Listen… I am all for gun control. I’m becoming more and more in favor of very strict gun control. But I am so disturbed and saddened by the level of hate and divisiveness I am seeing in this country. And I believe it is fueled by our president. I was watching a clip from his rally… And I could not believe how much hate was being spewed not only by him… But echoed by his supporters. The things they were chanting, and the angry looks on their faces, and the way they were pumping their fists… It was truly terrifying. I do not think it is a coincidence that this latest shooting is an hour away from where Trump gave his latest hate filled rally.
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 4, 2019 15:00:30 GMT
It's a gun issue. It's a gun issue. It's a gun issue. It's a gun issue. It's a gun issue. I don't know how many times we need to fucking say it or who else needs to hear it, but it's a FUCKING GUN ISSUE. Listen… I am all for gun control. I’m becoming more and more in favor of very strict gun control. But I am so disturbed and saddened by the level of hate and divisiveness I am seeing in this country. And I believe it is fueled by our president. I was watching a clip from his rally… And I could not believe how much hate was being spewed not only by him… But echoed by his supporters. The things they were chanting, and the angry looks on their faces, and the way they were pumping their fists… It was truly terrifying. I do not think it is a coincidence that this latest shooting is an hour away from where Trump gave his latest hate filled rally. I agree with you. I posted what I did without even seeing your post that was formatted similarly, so I can understand why you might think I was responding to you directly. I agree with all of those things, but ultimately if we don't address the gun issue directly, nothing will change. But, yes, we need to address all of the things. My frustration is that all of the OTHER things become excuses to not address the gun issue. Hugs. I am sorry if you felt like I was addressing your post in particular because of formatting. I think we just must think alike in text!
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 4, 2019 15:02:25 GMT
Horrible horrible horrible. Agree it is a gun issue, but also a mental health issue. And don't go out into crowded public areas. It's only a mental health issue for those who believe the NRA that more guns are the answer. We are a nation of "fuck you, I love guns." And if that means an unstable, white young man gets his hands on one (or more), so be it. Because "fuck you, I love guns." I think it is both. I'm not saying people who would fall under a clinical definition of a mental illness, but I do believe our youth (and some adults, mainly 35 and younger) lack strong mental health. I do not think we are allowing or helping our youth grow as social and emotional members of our society. I think between smart phones and other technology there is a disconnect between some brains and human decency. That is not to say that guns aren't an issue and shouldn't be regulated, but there is a mental health issue as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 15:04:55 GMT
Dan Hodges.... 2015
”In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.”
trump is certainly playing a huge part in what is happening today in this country. But Americans ignoring gun violence in this country happened long before trump came on the scene.
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Post by BSnyder on Aug 4, 2019 15:05:59 GMT
It was scary last year when our lock down drills at school became drills to train kids to fight back. What is happening to this country?! This is terrible to say out loud, so please take it as productive. I struggle to find better words. I am relieved that these shootings are happening at typical places of gathering, rather than schools. Only because when it is a school shooting, people seem to think locking away our kids is the answer. School shootings seem to change what people consider a reasonable solution to gun violence. It is sad when children are victims, but it is equally sad when people are victims. Yes, children have a right to safety in schools, but all people have a right to safety in their world. Maybe, just maybe these recent ones will make people realize that being at any everyday place that has people gathering is a danger, which includes pretty much everywhere. There is no way around it, making guns more difficult to buy and own is a large part of the answer. Regulations should be much stricter around background checks, number of firearms, and amount of ammunition bought within a certain period, etc. Hand guns and rifles should have the same restrictions, background checks, and application wait times. I would go as far to say that all current gun owners should have to go through new application for whatever stricter laws are enacted. No “grandfather” clause. We are gun owners, we DO NOT support the NRA, and we believe there needs to be stricter laws enacted. Laws need to be the same nationwide. If that means giving up our own guns, so be it. This has been ridiculous for over 15 years now and still nothing is changing. It is not ok.if the government can track the amount of Claritin D I buy each month and deny my purchases when my allergies are severe, something more can certainly be done for guns. This is a national health crisis for all of us and it’s shameful to our nation that nothing changes.
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 4, 2019 15:18:49 GMT
It was scary last year when our lock down drills at school became drills to train kids to fight back. What is happening to this country?! This is terrible to say out loud, so please take it as productive. I struggle to find better words. I am relieved that these shootings are happening at typical places of gathering, rather than schools. Only because when it is a school shooting, people seem to think locking away our kids is the answer. School shootings seem to change what people consider a reasonable solution to gun violence. It is sad when children are victims, but it is equally sad when people are victims. Yes, children have a right to safety in schools, but all people have a right to safety in their world. Maybe, just maybe these recent ones will make people realize that being at any everyday place that has people gathering is a danger, which includes pretty much everywhere. There is no way around it, making guns more difficult to buy and own is a large part of the answer. Regulations should be much stricter around background checks, number of firearms, and amount of ammunition bought within a certain period, etc. Hand guns and rifles should have the same restrictions, background checks, and application wait times. I would go as far to say that all current gun owners should have to go through new application for whatever stricter laws are enacted. No “grandfather” clause. We are gun owners, we DO NOT support the NRA, and we believe there needs to be stricter laws enacted. Laws need to be the same nationwide. If that means giving up our own guns, so be it. This has been ridiculous for over 15 years now and still nothing is changing. It is not ok.if the government can track the amount of Claritin D I buy each month and deny my purchases when my allergies are severe, something more can certainly be done for guns. This is a national health crisis for all of us and it’s shameful to our nation that nothing changes. I understand what you're saying. When it's a school shooting, the responses are security cameras, fences, and bulletproof backpacks instead of investigation of how to reduce the number and power of guns in our country. When it's in a public place...well, other things have to be reckoned with. I just hope that reckoning occurs (and will do my part to make sure it does).
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Post by busy on Aug 4, 2019 15:22:04 GMT
It’s a gun issue. It’s a mental health issue. It’s a racist issue. It’s a toxic masculinity issue. It’s a hate issue. It’s a gun issue. No other country has the same problem. People aren’t that different around the world, but gun accessibility is.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 4, 2019 15:24:02 GMT
Horrible horrible horrible. Agree it is a gun issue, but also a mental health issue. And don't go out into crowded public areas. I’m sorry (and I’m not picking on you) but being a white supremist, a white national, hating POC, being a neo-Nazi, is not a mental health issue—it’s a HATRED issue. I’m seeing lots of the “its a mental issue” trending now and we need to start calling it out for what it is.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 4, 2019 15:29:19 GMT
It's a gun issue. It's a gun issue. It's a gun issue. It's a gun issue. It's a gun issue. I don't know how many times we need to fucking say it or who else needs to hear it, but it's a FUCKING GUN ISSUE. Listen… I am all for gun control. I’m becoming more and more in favor of very strict gun control. But I am so disturbed and saddened by the level of hate and divisiveness I am seeing in this country. And I believe it is fueled by our president. I was watching a clip from his rally… And I could not believe how much hate was being spewed not only by him… But echoed by his supporters. The things they were chanting, and the angry looks on their faces, and the way they were pumping their fists… It was truly terrifying. I do not think it is a coincidence that this latest shooting is an hour away from where Trump gave his latest hate filled rally. Yes! And people need to start framing it that way- Headlines need to read “racist white man took it upon himself to murder 20 people with a gun that he was legally permitted to possess because he did not like people of color/ethnicity and was fueled by the rising hatred egged on by the potus”
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 4, 2019 15:29:58 GMT
Nothing will change until we do something about the gun problem in this country. And judging by the things Republicans are saying on the political shows this morning, nothing will change. They refuse to admit there is a gun problem. They refuse to acknowledge that white supremacy is a problem. They refuse to acknowledge that Trump and his rhetoric is a problem.
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Post by katybee on Aug 4, 2019 15:38:50 GMT
The more I think about it… The less I think it is actually about mental health. I think what we really need to be looking at is the radicalization of young white males in America. I think the reason we’re seeing so many more mass shootings is because hate can be disseminated so easily over the Internet. Although I know there were mass shootings before Columbine, I feel like it was the beginning of this modern era of mass shootings. It’s no coincidence that that’s when the internet was really taking off.
The way young white men in America are being radicalized is no different than the way young Muslim men are being radicalized, yet I never hear anyone refer to Muslim terrorists as “mentally ill.”
The alt-right has.MASSIVE internet presence that even includes dating apps and crowd-funding for their hate-filled projects. And, make no mistake, they are in the Whitehouse, now. (I’m looking at YOU Stephen Miller.) They are in every part of our lives now. They are being given legitimate voices by our president.
ETA: But to be clear, I also think guns are way too easy to access in this country. I support a full ban on semi automatic weapons, high-capacity magazines, bump stocks. I think that guns should only be allowed to be bought in very specialized stores – not at gun shows, not at Walmart... I think people need to have a license to have a gun. I think there should be a national registry. I think there should be a limit to how many guns you can own. I am all for gun control.
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 4, 2019 15:41:34 GMT
The more I think about it… The less I think it is actually about mental health. I think what we really need to be looking at is the radicalization of young white males in America. I think the reason we’re seeing so many more mass shootings is because hate can be disseminated so easily over the Internet. Although I know there were mass shootings before Columbine, I feel like it was the beginning of this modern era of mass shootings. It’s no coincidence that that’s when the internet was really taking off. The way young white men in America are being radicalized is no different than the way young Muslim men are being radicalized, yet I never hear anyone refer to Muslim terrorists as “mentally ill.” The alt-right has.MASSIVE internet presence that even includes dating apps and crowd-funding for their hate-filled projects. And, make no mistake, they are in the Whitehouse, now. (I’m looking at YOU Stephen Miller.) They are in every part of our lives now. They are being given legitimate voices by our president. I agree with you. When a white person murders people, we talk about mental illness instead of calling it what it is: terrorism stemming from white supremacy. And that white supremacy is upheld and celebrated at the very highest levels of our government, including the president.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 4, 2019 15:45:39 GMT
First and foremost the USA needs gun control. Gun control needs to start happening first. Restricting access until we can put other screens in place makes the most sense to save lives and stop all these murders from happening.
Secondly, (actually this too needs to stop immediately) but the fucking potus needs to shut his fucking pie hole and stop fueling these groups, these people, the hateful divisive rhetoric that is is ramping up each and every week. I don’t give s shit if he wants to continue to be the David Duke white supremacy white nationalist that he is, but as potus he just needs to shut the ever loving fuck up about it. Hate crime and all this terrorism has increased since 2016.
Third we need to stop with the tagging on if it’s “a mental health issue” to anyone murdering others with a gun. They are not mutually hand in hand exclusive. Sure mentally ill people can murder but that is not always the case. In El Paso, the murderer was driven by hatred for a class of human beings.
Yes, I know that when the potus spews his hateful rhetoric and makes all these promises (all lies) about completely eradicating POC/ethnicity that there is a tendency for those who are mentally ill, feel they are marginalized, that trump us speaking directly to them— get attached and try to take matters into their own hands.
Pretty soon, those militia groups that we hear about in the more rural areas if Montana, Wyoming, the Dakotas, etc, won’t be so fringe anymore. They’re going to take to their own law and Justice. Vigilantes are going to be normal.
It’s going to get worse.
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Post by katybee on Aug 4, 2019 15:49:10 GMT
Listen… I am all for gun control. I’m becoming more and more in favor of very strict gun control. But I am so disturbed and saddened by the level of hate and divisiveness I am seeing in this country. And I believe it is fueled by our president. I was watching a clip from his rally… And I could not believe how much hate was being spewed not only by him… But echoed by his supporters. The things they were chanting, and the angry looks on their faces, and the way they were pumping their fists… It was truly terrifying. I do not think it is a coincidence that this latest shooting is an hour away from where Trump gave his latest hate filled rally. I agree with you. I posted what I did without even seeing your post that was formatted similarly, so I can understand why you might think I was responding to you directly. I agree with all of those things, but ultimately if we don't address the gun issue directly, nothing will change. But, yes, we need to address all of the things. My frustration is that all of the OTHER things become excuses to not address the gun issue. Hugs. I am sorry if you felt like I was addressing your post in particular because of formatting. I think we just must think alike in text! No worries! I wasn’t offended!
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Post by PLurker on Aug 4, 2019 15:52:27 GMT
It doesn't matter what our skin color is or what religion we follow.....none of us our safe. If you live in the USA expect you, your family or your friend will eventually die of gun violence. Congress will at most have a moment of silence and offer their prayers. This is our new normal. except that to a degree that is not true. None of us are safe but many of us are targeted in ways that others are not. Ironically by the ones who have declared their victims to be the "bad guys". My DD, part of the LGBTQ+ community, was home for the weekend. Back with me, the brother, the dog and the cornfields. Then this happened. I want both my kids to go live their best life, their way, fearless! but part of me wants them back home, middle of nowhere, home, safe(r). This was from my instagram nearly a year and a half ago. in many ways seems like years ago. in others, as in "same ole same ole", yesterday. http://instagr.am/p/BgzD51ujmQ9 Nothing has changed. The scared mama me still wants them home to die of old age and boredom. When the haunting memories of the kids' whining "I'm bored.....!" now sounds all too inviting.
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 4, 2019 15:54:05 GMT
It’s a gun issue. Americans don’t have a higher propensity for violence, a higher level of mental illness, a higher instance of Internet use, a higher degree of being radicalized, a higher level of hate, a higher tendency to be influenced by political rhetoric, etc. What we have is the HIGHEST number of guns owned by a civilian population. We are 5% of the world’s population, yet we own close to 50% of the world’s guns. That is the ROOT of the problem.
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