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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 6, 2019 14:41:34 GMT
Keller blames everyone else... this shooter killed HIS sister.. he had a family!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 6, 2019 15:23:15 GMT
Yes, they will. Here is Ohio GOP rep telling us all the things that lead to shootings (none of which is easy access to high magazine arms). Everyone is calling for her to resign—even Republicans. She’s now trying to suggest that maybe her Facebook post (on her own personal page) May/might have been altered but it sounds like something she may have writes!!! What the actual fuck?!?!!! Too many politicians in Ohio are like this. Our shitty governor was shouted down while he was offering up thoughts warm fuzzies and prayers at an event the other day, many in the crowd started shouting out “DO SOMETHING” and the doofus didn’t even know how to respond or anything he just stopped talking for a second then resumed his prepared speech. I think it surprised him a little that people weren’t lapping up his “deep, sincere, heartfelt, prayers thoughts” garbage.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 6, 2019 15:32:09 GMT
Yes, they will. Here is Ohio GOP rep telling us all the things that lead to shootings (none of which is easy access to high magazine arms). Everyone is calling for her to resign—even Republicans. She’s now trying to suggest that maybe her Facebook post (on her own personal page) May/might have been altered but it sounds like something she may have writes!!! What the actual fuck?!?!!! Too many politicians in Ohio are like this. Our shitty governor was shouted down while he was offering up thoughts warm fuzzies and prayers at an event the other day, many in the crowd started shouting out “DO SOMETHING” and the doofus didn’t even know how to respond or anything he just stopped talking for a second then resumed his prepared speech. I think it surprised him a little that people weren’t lapping up his “deep, sincere, heartfelt, prayers thoughts” garbage. And the bitch Keller is the same asshole who after the Parkland murders, called the survivors turned activists “dorito eating video gamers” for their protests. She also echos the idiot, callous, past senator who told the same kids protesting guns to be productive and stop with the protests and take CPR classes instead. www.newsweek.com/candice-keller-ohio-republican-stand-your-ground-gun-control-students-david-860561?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 15:34:28 GMT
Funny how other nations have had legal marijuana for DECADES and yet magically, no mass shootings.
Funny how other nations have had marriage equality long before the US and yet magically, no mass shootings.
Funny how parents who defend misbehaving students (see other thread today) are supported by the church so the impact of the "misbehaving" is as minimal as possible.
Funny how she doesn't understand that acknowledging racial injustice <> hating veterans.
Funny, huh?
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Post by Skellinton on Aug 6, 2019 15:58:22 GMT
I just saw this older quote and it is so incredibly frustratingly accurate. The Republicans are such hypocrites it makes me physically ill.
“I want any young men who buy a gun to be treated like young women who seek an abortion. Think about it: a mandatory 48-hours waiting period, written permission from a parent or a judge, a note from a doctor proving that he understands what he is about to do, time spent watching a video on individual and mass murders, travelling hundreds of miles at his own expense to the nearest gun shop, and walking through protestors holding photos of loved ones killed by guns, protestors who call him a murderer. After all, it makes more sense to do this for young men seeking guns than for young women seeking an abortion. No young woman needing reproductive freedom has ever murdered a roomful of strangers.”
I am sure it has been shared here before, but I think it bears repeating.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 6, 2019 16:28:20 GMT
Funny how other nations have had legal marijuana for DECADES and yet magically, no mass shootings. Funny how other nations have had marriage equality long before the US and yet magically, no mass shootings. Funny how parents who defend misbehaving students (see other thread today) are supported by the church so the impact of the "misbehaving" is as minimal as possible. Funny how she doesn't understand that acknowledging racial injustice <> hating veterans. Funny, huh? Yes, those Republicans have a long list of who to blame rather than accept responsibility for their own failures at actually attempting to do something. I swear they make cheat sheets and send them to every republican in the USA.
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Post by ExpatBackHome on Aug 6, 2019 17:25:08 GMT
I'm an American who lives in the . middle east. The #1 question I get asked when people from the USA find out where I live is "Are you safe?" I freaking laugh in their faces every time. Am I safe? ARE YOU SAFE?!?! In the country where I currently live, only the military has guns. I have never been afraid - ever. I don't fear sending my kids to school or to the mall or a movie theater. My poor American (but mostly raised outside the USA) kids are terrified of the USA and it breaks my heart. It breaks my heart for every family who has lost someone to gun violence. Why can we not figure this out?!? This is me exactly! When I turn on the news, I feel so thankful I don’t have to worry every morning when I send my kids to school. I too get asked all time when I visit the US over the summer (like now) if I feel safe living there. It’s not that Dubai is completely free of crime but it’s very safe.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 6, 2019 18:52:26 GMT
Gilroy food festival now DOMESTIC TERRORISM!
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 7, 2019 4:07:52 GMT
The senator from Tennessee talking about what are we going to do about video games. Video games desensitize those playing them to the violence.
Right, it isn't the guns, it is the video games. Ffs jackass.
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Post by pyccku on Aug 7, 2019 13:04:26 GMT
es, those Republicans have a long list of who to blame rather than accept responsibility for their own failures at actually attempting to do something. Party of personal responsibility right there.
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Post by Gravity on Aug 7, 2019 14:11:35 GMT
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Post by quinlove on Aug 7, 2019 14:19:51 GMT
Well...that’s interesting. Will it change the mind set of the gun lovers ? Of course not. The only wall they’ve put up is around their brains !
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 7, 2019 18:48:49 GMT
Is this the shooter whose ex-girlfriend has been on the TV saying that they both struggled with mental health issues and he "didn't get the help he needed?" I might be getting him mixed up with the one from Ohio. Either way, I would be curious to know more about his mental health issues, what kind of help he got over the years, etc. I have clients who say people are not doing enough to help them, when they have had every service available. Sometimes they are not invested in helping themselves, which is admittedly hard to do. Other times it is that mental health treatment is not as black and white as people want it to be. There is no magic pill or magic therapy that "cures" someone of mental illness, particularly when it is a severe disorder. That does not mean that people weren't getting help or that what they were getting didn't help at all. But it might not have helped *enough*. Even before seeing this, I have been thinking about mental health and gun violence. I work in the mental health field, and have only had a few people who I think could do something like this (Based on what I know). They both have very unique thought processes in regards to logic, blame, responsibility, and perceptions. It is not easy to treat severe mental health issues, but especially personality disorders. Not to mention that unless someone is making a specific threat, there isn't much that can be done about it. We don't hospitalize people the way we used to (in regards to long term and short term care), which is both good and bad. That being said, there is more of an emphasis on early childhood mental health as well as trauma, which hopefully will help people and society more in the long run, rather than waiting until there are severe problems. Overall, I think that first line mental health care would be more of a factor in preventing suicides rather than preventing mass shootings. However, having better access to higher levels of care is important. Also, the fact that the father works in the mental health field is not a "gotcha" like is implied in this post. There are a lot of factors that could be coming into play here.
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Post by elaine on Aug 7, 2019 20:40:49 GMT
As a therapist/psychologist/psychiatrist/etc., you cannot treat your own children. Just because you are in the mental health field doesn’t mean that you are able to bypass all the baggage and emotional dynamics that happen between parents and their children. Family issues are fairly universal and counselors/therapists/psychologists send their kids to someone other than themselves if mental health intervention is warranted. And given that the shooter was 21, his parents couldn’t have forced him to participate in any therapy for years. The father is a masters level (notable that he doesn’t mention where his masters degree is from, whereas he lists where he got his bachelors) recovery/addiction counselor. Meaning he specializes in working with people who are addicts. All indications are that the El Paso shooter’s main issues were not substance abuse related. The dad being a substance abuse counselor has little connection, IMO, with whether or not his son had a mental illness.
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Post by elaine on Aug 7, 2019 20:44:06 GMT
Is this the shooter whose ex-girlfriend has been on the TV saying that they both struggled with mental health issues and he "didn't get the help he needed?" I might be getting him mixed up with the one from Ohio. Either way, I would be curious to know more about his mental health issues, what kind of help he got over the years, etc. I have clients who say people are not doing enough to help them, when they have had every service available. Sometimes they are not invested in helping themselves, which is admittedly hard to do. Other times it is that mental health treatment is not as black and white as people want it to be. There is no magic pill or magic therapy that "cures" someone of mental illness, particularly when it is a severe disorder. That does not mean that people weren't getting help or that what they were getting didn't help at all. But it might not have helped *enough*. Even before seeing this, I have been thinking about mental health and gun violence. I work in the mental health field, and have only had a few people who I think could do something like this (Based on what I know). They both have very unique thought processes in regards to logic, blame, responsibility, and perceptions. It is not easy to treat severe mental health issues, but especially personality disorders. Not to mention that unless someone is making a specific threat, there isn't much that can be done about it. We don't hospitalize people the way we used to (in regards to long term and short term care), which is both good and bad. That being said, there is more of an emphasis on early childhood mental health as well as trauma, which hopefully will help people and society more in the long run, rather than waiting until there are severe problems. Overall, I think that first line mental health care would be more of a factor in preventing suicides rather than preventing mass shootings. However, having better access to higher levels of care is important. Also, the fact that the father works in the mental health field is not a "gotcha" like is implied in this post. There are a lot of factors that could be coming into play here.
I’d go so far as to say they are unrelated. Just checking out the dad’s linked webpage gives all the information one needs to know that the dad wouldn’t have been able to work with any of the disorders that might be involved in this type of rampage, even if a parent could treat their own adult child (they can’t).
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 7, 2019 21:01:03 GMT
Is this the shooter whose ex-girlfriend has been on the TV saying that they both struggled with mental health issues and he "didn't get the help he needed?" I might be getting him mixed up with the one from Ohio. Either way, I would be curious to know more about his mental health issues, what kind of help he got over the years, etc. I have clients who say people are not doing enough to help them, when they have had every service available. Sometimes they are not invested in helping themselves, which is admittedly hard to do. Other times it is that mental health treatment is not as black and white as people want it to be. There is no magic pill or magic therapy that "cures" someone of mental illness, particularly when it is a severe disorder. That does not mean that people weren't getting help or that what they were getting didn't help at all. But it might not have helped *enough*. Even before seeing this, I have been thinking about mental health and gun violence. I work in the mental health field, and have only had a few people who I think could do something like this (Based on what I know). They both have very unique thought processes in regards to logic, blame, responsibility, and perceptions. It is not easy to treat severe mental health issues, but especially personality disorders. Not to mention that unless someone is making a specific threat, there isn't much that can be done about it. We don't hospitalize people the way we used to (in regards to long term and short term care), which is both good and bad. That being said, there is more of an emphasis on early childhood mental health as well as trauma, which hopefully will help people and society more in the long run, rather than waiting until there are severe problems. Overall, I think that first line mental health care would be more of a factor in preventing suicides rather than preventing mass shootings. However, having better access to higher levels of care is important. Also, the fact that the father works in the mental health field is not a "gotcha" like is implied in this post. There are a lot of factors that could be coming into play here.
I’d go so far as to say they are unrelated. Just checking out the dad’s linked webpage gives all the information one needs to know that the dad wouldn’t have been able to work with any of the disorders that might be involved in this type of rampage, even if a parent could treat their own adult child (they can’t). I think his website is a little strange, TBH. It looks like he has worked in hospitals or clinics in the past, but now focuses on "Energy healing" and focuses on PTSD and Addiction. I'm not sure how those two issues are related to energy healing more than other diagnosis? He also doesn't have a license in addiction counseling from what I can tell, and doesn't say anything about being credentialed with insurance companies. In my state, LPC is not an actual license that allows you to be credentialed by insurance but it might be in his state.
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Post by elaine on Aug 7, 2019 21:04:40 GMT
Keller blames everyone else... this shooter killed HIS sister.. he had a family! Interestingly enough, there is data to support that a large percentage of mass shootings involve a family member or romantic partner of the shooter. The following paragraph is from an interesting story written about Nancy Lanza - the mother of the Sandy Hook shooter. Nancy was the first person he killed that day, but we don’t count her among the victims of that day: www.huffpost.com/entry/the-forgotten-victim-of-the-sandy-hook-shooting_n_5852ad44e4b016e9c118ac57
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Post by elaine on Aug 7, 2019 21:11:51 GMT
I’d go so far as to say they are unrelated. Just checking out the dad’s linked webpage gives all the information one needs to know that the dad wouldn’t have been able to work with any of the disorders that might be involved in this type of rampage, even if a parent could treat their own adult child (they can’t). I think his website is a little strange, TBH. It looks like he has worked in hospitals or clinics in the past, but now focuses on "Energy healing" and focuses on PTSD and Addiction. I'm not sure how those two issues are related to energy healing more than other diagnosis? He also doesn't have a license in addiction counseling from what I can tell, and doesn't say anything about being credentialed with insurance companies. In my state, LPC is not an actual license that allows you to be credentialed by insurance but it might be in his state. Yeah, I agree. I feel like a snob, but there is *no way* I would send anyone I knew or liked to see him based on his website, let alone go there myself. It was a sickening mix of how ever many new-age buzz words he could string together that didn’t particularly mean anything in the concrete sense. I certainly wouldn’t consider him a credentialed mental health professional, either.
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Post by SAHM wannabe on Aug 11, 2019 16:00:35 GMT
If you have not already, please join Moms Demand Action: Moms DemandIf Congress won't do anything, at least we can try to do something. This is not a mental health issue. It's a GUN issue. You can delude yourselves all you want with the mental health stuff, but massacres like this do not happen in other countries twice in 24 hours. I receive emails and have donated to Moms Demand Action, but hadn't thought about attending a meeting. I clicked on the link and found there's a meeting scheduled this week that's about 15 minutes from my home. I'll be attending. I attended a Moms Demand Action meeting this past week. The room was packed! They usually have 15-20 people at their meetings. This one had over 85 in attendance, most of us were there for the first time. The audience was made up of women and men ranging in age from high school to senior citizen. It was informative and empowering. They invited attendees to participate in a way that makes sense for them. Several options are available from active participation to simply showing up for community events as a show of strength. If you have thought about becoming involved, I encourage you to attend a meeting and seeing firsthand if it's for you. There will be a rally next weekend at one of our community centers. I know I'll be there wearing my "Moms Demand Action" shirt!
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