scrappinmama
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 15, 2019 23:52:12 GMT
I don't get it. Every single evangelical person I know, and I know a lot of them, think Trump is the best president we have had in a long, long time. They truly believe that Obama took the US to the brink of disaster and now Trump is saving us and solving all of the problems Obama caused. Several of them have said more than once that Trump is a gift from God.
I do NOT get it. At all. YES!! can someone explain this? I must be blocked by the political posters, because everyone skipped over my question.. I think the conservative peas don't post on political threads anymore. Some of the most rabid Trump supporters would pick fights and I think the arguing between left and right have made our rational peas stop coming to political threads.
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Post by *Shannon on Aug 16, 2019 0:16:06 GMT
What I believe my Trump voting, still Trump supporting, evangelical husband would say... he can't speak to whether Trump's a good person, but he likes what he's doing regarding conservative judges because they'll try to ban abortion and hold marriage to the Christian biblical view of one man, one woman. He thinks in the long run those issues, and others, being won over by conservatives will serve the country better.
I do not agree.
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Post by casii on Aug 16, 2019 0:27:38 GMT
I'm a Christian, might've labeled myself evangelical at one time, but now just a simple Christ follower. Trump is about as far from Christian as you can get and those who claim he's God appointed are a bunch of Pharisees. If they really think they're Christian, they'll also believe God will have something to say about who they propped up as an idol. It won't be pretty when they sit at the throne of judgement.
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Post by femalebusiness on Aug 16, 2019 0:30:39 GMT
And that's what I can not understand. Evangelicals want to force their religion and way of life on everyone else and yet they would shit a ring around themselves if they were force to live under Sharia or some other law that they are opposed to. What ever happened to do unto others? Why can't they just be thankful that they live in a country where they are free to live their lives as they wish?
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Post by RosieKat on Aug 16, 2019 0:55:47 GMT
Ya know, the other thing that pisses me off is that I am vehemently anti-religion and have no tolerance for it. However, I am a great admirer of Jesus and believe the values that he tried to teach the human race are of great value. I try to follow his teachings and I don't need to believe that he was some magic, immaculately conceived god to do that. He was a really great teacher and philosopher and that is more than enough reason to honor him. I always feel like that whole WWJD thing just really has merit, whether you're a Christian or not. At the end of the day, whether you believe in His divinity or not, He was a good person and a good role model. Our political "Christians" sure don't seem to meet that mark.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 16, 2019 1:10:02 GMT
That's my perception of how they think. Thanks for your insight!
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Post by dewryce on Aug 16, 2019 1:27:12 GMT
What I believe my Trump voting, still Trump supporting, evangelical husband would say... he can't speak to whether Trump's a good person, but he likes what he's doing regarding conservative judges because they'll try to ban abortion and hold marriage to the Christian biblical view of one man, one woman. He thinks in the long run those issues, and others, being won over by conservatives will serve the country better. I do not agree. This is a sincere question, and not meant to be snarky at all. Just hoping to get a different perspective. I’m truly curious and we are not a religious household. DH believes, but he mostly thinks religion and schools/government should be separate. And if not, then equal. Meaning, the viewpoint of all religions should be addressed if any are to be. Why does your husband feel Christ should be in the courts at all? How does that leave room for people of other religions? In school, though I don’t necessarily agree, I can see the ability of covering many religions. But I don’t see how that happens in our courts. And in that case, which religion do we choose to represent and why? Why is one more valid than another in our country?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 1:43:12 GMT
And that's what I can not understand. Evangelicals want to force their religion and way of life on everyone else and yet they would shit a ring around themselves if they were force to live under Sharia or some other law that they are opposed to. What ever happened to do unto others? Why can't they just be thankful that they live in a country where they are free to live their lives as they wish?Because god gave America to THEM - they are THE CHOSEN. Other religions can live here, but America BELONGS to CHRISTIANS and only CHRISTIAN dogma should prevail. See Netflix's 'The Family' or Dominionism or thousands of other well-documented pieces on how they think and why they will NEVER be happy while America stands as a multi-cultural nation.
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Post by katybee on Aug 16, 2019 1:45:57 GMT
He’s not actually against abortion. 😒 Which may be the truth, BUT he is definitely not FOR a women’s right to choose. And his personal beliefs are much less important, insignificant really, compared to his public political stance which involves packing the Supreme Court with as many anti-choice judges as he can. That fact, even if he may have secretly paid for abortions in his own lifetime, may have an impact on women’s reproductive rights for generations to come. He’s for abortion when it is convenient for him. He is for abortion when it is convenient for his friends. He is for abortion when it is convenient for men. Yeah… That’s about it…
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Post by dewryce on Aug 16, 2019 1:47:41 GMT
Ya know, the other thing that pisses me off is that I am vehemently anti-religion and have no tolerance for it. However, I am a great admirer of Jesus and believe the values that he tried to teach the human race are of great value. I try to follow his teachings and I don't need to believe that he was some magic, immaculately conceived god to do that. He was a really great teacher and philosopher and that is more than enough reason to honor him. I always feel like that whole WWJD thing just really has merit, whether you're a Christian or not. At the end of the day, whether you believe in His divinity or not, He was a good person and a good role model.Our political "Christians" sure don't seem to meet that mark. As an atheist, I agree.
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Post by lisae on Aug 16, 2019 2:04:53 GMT
Today I saw a large church in our area with a sign promoting that they had a Spanish speaking minister as well as their principal pastor. I thought good for them welcoming more people into their church. And it reminded me that so many people from Mexico and South America are Catholic. They are often practicing Christians and yet so many of Trump's followers are determined to turn them away and condone the hateful things Trump says about them. The hypocrisy illuminated during the last few years isn't just bad for our civil institutions but for our religious ones as well. And I agree with femalebusiness that Trump isn't the least bit religious. I don't believe for a minute that he is pro-life either. This is all part of his sales job.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 16, 2019 2:15:44 GMT
Good people are good people whether they practice a religion or not.
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 16, 2019 2:26:36 GMT
Can anyone c/p? I can't view the article. If you can't access it because of the paywall, try this link: link
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 2:28:07 GMT
Good people are good people whether they practice a religion or not.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 16, 2019 4:29:05 GMT
So very appropriate!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 16, 2019 4:34:57 GMT
Trumpism:
THAT is pro-birth! Because he will not feed babies, help with medical care, glasses/dental care, housing or school....... PRO-BIRTH!! NOT pro-life!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 16, 2019 4:40:08 GMT
And that's what I can not understand. Evangelicals want to force their religion and way of life on everyone else and yet they would shit a ring around themselves if they were force to live under Sharia or some other law that they are opposed to. What ever happened to do unto others? Why can't they just be thankful that they live in a country where they are free to live their lives as they wish?Because god gave America to THEM - they are THE CHOSEN. Other religions can live here, but America BELONGS to CHRISTIANS and only CHRISTIAN dogma should prevail. See Netflix's 'The Family' or Dominionism or thousands of other well-documented pieces on how they think and why they will NEVER be happy while America stands as a multi-cultural nation. NO .... WE stole America from the natives!!
So say they who are criticizing Omar and Tlaib for comments against Israel!!
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Aug 16, 2019 4:43:34 GMT
@missjen , thank you for your thoughts on this. It’s an interesting take on it, but it makes sense. Saying at least he’s not...doing whatever. My thinking sometimes is vote for someone because it’s not Trump. (Other times my thinking is vote for so-and-so who is against Trump. Just to be clear that the alternative is never to vote or support Trump.)
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Post by 50offscrapper on Aug 16, 2019 5:05:07 GMT
As a Christian, all I ask is to not to judge all Christians by the actions of the fake, so called Christians. No different than thinking all Muslims are terrorists. It is beyond disgusting. I think the problem is that they lack knowledge of the word of God. Unfortunately too many churches are preaching a good feel drivel designed to make people feel they can be saved by just reciting a prayer that they don’t even mean. They need to rend their hearts and repent. In the Bible, Jesus was the harshest with the religious people and offered much grace to the sinner. Read the Bible and you will find that the principles it teaches are those of loving God and then living others.
Trump is the spawn of Satan. 2 Timothy 3:2-9 New International Version (NIV)
2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.
6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone..
So this scripture shows exactly what true Christians have to do about Trump. They should have nothing to do with him or frankly they are disobeying God’s word.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 5:48:54 GMT
As a Christian, all I ask is to not to judge all Christians by the actions of the fake, so called Christians. No different than thinking all Muslims are terrorists. It is beyond disgusting. I think the problem is that they lack knowledge of the word of God. Unfortunately too many churches are preaching a good feel drivel designed to make people feel they can be saved by just reciting a prayer that they don’t even mean. They need to rend their hearts and repent. In the Bible, Jesus was the harshest with the religious people and offered much grace to the sinner. Read the Bible and you will find that the principles it teaches are those of loving God and then living others. Trump is the spawn of Satan. 2 Timothy 3:2-9 New International Version (NIV) 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. 6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.. So this scripture shows exactly what true Christians have to do about Trump. They should have nothing to do with him or frankly they are disobeying God’s word. Not all evangelicals. But a HUGE percentage. 70% of evangelicals support Trump - the highest of any group. So, not the same as thinking all Muslims are terrorists. If 70% of Muslims were carrying out terrorist actions, that would be an equivalent situation. But 70% of Muslims do NOT carry out terrorist actions. 70% of evangelicals support Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 6:12:06 GMT
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Post by gar on Aug 16, 2019 7:37:33 GMT
I am a practicing Protestant Christian in an Evangelical tradition. I used to consider myself Politically Conservative. Now, I guess Libertarian is the closest in accuracy, but I'm almost a political agnostic. I loudly denounce Trump to both my liberal and my conservative friends. I didn't vote for him and have never defended him. So I can't speak as a first hand Trump supporter, but I think I have enough first hand knowledge of the other parts of the equation to *guess* what the mindset is. I was a teenager during the Clinton years. I think a sex scandal in the White House was a defining moment for the modern religious conservative in political activism. Focus on the Family and other conservative groups really started leaning in to "us versus them." The conservatives were the US and everyone else was a THEM. They had us convinced that liberal policies were sending America to Hell in a Handbasket, and that every new adoption of a liberal policy was an attack on "US" (the religious conservatives). Obama, in their eyes, was the liberal darling who was going to damn us all. They saw his liberal choices as an attack on them, their beliefs, and even their definition of what America represents. So now Trump comes along, and he acts like an "US." He's not pursuing liberal policies, judges, or leaders. Their conservative status quo is safe. In my understanding, it's less about what he IS doing, and more about what he's NOT doing. And support of him is really just support of themselves. When you believe the government has been out to get you and your values for the last 8 years, you feel relieved that someone isn't waging those same attacks (even if he's waging other, worse ones). I've never heard anyone I know who voted for him argue from a position that he was the most skilled or that his character is good. I only hear, "well at least he's not..." That's my perception of how they think. I left working in politics for two reasons. One was that Christians seemed more concerned with making Republicans than they were with making disciples. Christians do believe that people are in leadership of nations because God allowed it. But where some think Trump is a gift to our nation, I believe he's a judgment. ETA: In case it's not abundantly clear, I don't endorse this way of thinking. But it's my best attempt at an explanation. That’s a great explanation. As a non American ‘outsider’, that has given me the best understanding since this whole disaster of a presidency began.
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Post by RosieKat on Aug 16, 2019 15:49:36 GMT
"“ He is, without a doubt, the most biblical president I have ever seen. I’m going to repeat that: he is the most biblical president I have ever seen in what he does. His actions are remarkable and I would ask the audience to please pray for him continually.”" Oh, I do pray for him continually - just not for the reasons they want me to! This is sickening.
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Post by wallyagain on Aug 16, 2019 16:56:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 17:17:02 GMT
Brought the pic over:
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Post by wallyagain on Aug 16, 2019 18:49:18 GMT
Thanks @zingermack.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 16, 2019 19:11:23 GMT
and what is funny is that the only "god" that trump worships is money.
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Post by 950nancy on Aug 16, 2019 19:31:53 GMT
I am a practicing Protestant Christian in an Evangelical tradition. I used to consider myself Politically Conservative. Now, I guess Libertarian is the closest in accuracy, but I'm almost a political agnostic. I loudly denounce Trump to both my liberal and my conservative friends. I didn't vote for him and have never defended him. So I can't speak as a first hand Trump supporter, but I think I have enough first hand knowledge of the other parts of the equation to *guess* what the mindset is. I was a teenager during the Clinton years. I think a sex scandal in the White House was a defining moment for the modern religious conservative in political activism. Focus on the Family and other conservative groups really started leaning in to "us versus them." The conservatives were the US and everyone else was a THEM. They had us convinced that liberal policies were sending America to Hell in a Handbasket, and that every new adoption of a liberal policy was an attack on "US" (the religious conservatives). Obama, in their eyes, was the liberal darling who was going to damn us all. They saw his liberal choices as an attack on them, their beliefs, and even their definition of what America represents. So now Trump comes along, and he acts like an "US." He's not pursuing liberal policies, judges, or leaders. Their conservative status quo is safe. In my understanding, it's less about what he IS doing, and more about what he's NOT doing. And support of him is really just support of themselves. When you believe the government has been out to get you and your values for the last 8 years, you feel relieved that someone isn't waging those same attacks (even if he's waging other, worse ones). I've never heard anyone I know who voted for him argue from a position that he was the most skilled or that his character is good. I only hear, "well at least he's not..." That's my perception of how they think. I left working in politics for two reasons. One was that Christians seemed more concerned with making Republicans than they were with making disciples. Christians do believe that people are in leadership of nations because God allowed it. But where some think Trump is a gift to our nation, I believe he's a judgment. I lived literally down the street from Focus on the Family for 4 years and found them to be evil that poisoned Colorado Springs: James Dobson is a poster child for everything that Jesus was against. Dobson was besties with Haggard, until the Haggard’s gay sex scandal became open knowledge. I came to hate evangelical Christianity while living in Colorado Springs and had to explain on more than one occasion to my grocery bag boys - whose families belonged to FoF, why I was Jewish and not afraid of going to hell (at the time I wore a Star of David necklace) - in addition to seeing what FoF did to influence the cadets at the Air Force Academy. There was a lot of money spent and activities aimed at roping USAFA cadets into the FoF fold. It was calculated and anything but Christ-like.
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Post by busy on Aug 16, 2019 19:46:03 GMT
As a Christian, all I ask is to not to judge all Christians by the actions of the fake, so called Christians. No different than thinking all Muslims are terrorists. It is beyond disgusting. I think the problem is that they lack knowledge of the word of God. Unfortunately too many churches are preaching a good feel drivel designed to make people feel they can be saved by just reciting a prayer that they don’t even mean. They need to rend their hearts and repent. In the Bible, Jesus was the harshest with the religious people and offered much grace to the sinner. Read the Bible and you will find that the principles it teaches are those of loving God and then living others. Trump is the spawn of Satan. 2 Timothy 3:2-9 New International Version (NIV) 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. 6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.. So this scripture shows exactly what true Christians have to do about Trump. They should have nothing to do with him or frankly they are disobeying God’s word. Not all evangelicals. But a HUGE percentage. 70% of evangelicals support Trump - the highest of any group. So, not the same as thinking all Muslims are terrorists. If 70% of Muslims were carrying out terrorist actions, that would be an equivalent situation. But 70% of Muslims do NOT carry out terrorist actions. 70% of evangelicals support Trump. I agree with you, but I also think it's important to remember that not all Christians are evangelicals. I'm an atheist personally, but was raised Lutheran and most of my family are ELCA Lutherans. They are personally liberal and the churches they attend are overwhelmingly liberal as well. It's not the only Christian denomination like this. I just don't want to see the denominations who are left-leaning lumped under the same label as evangelicals, when they are/can be allies to the cause.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 2:01:40 GMT
Trump looks skyward to acknowledge he is "the chosen one."
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