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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 13:35:37 GMT
" Beyond the troubling human rights implications, one problem with sex-selective abortion is that it may create a self-reinforcing cycle. An excess of men tends to reinforce patriarchy. According to the psychologist Robert Epstein, when there are more men than women in a society, women are driven out of the workplace and values become more conservative and traditional, with women more likely to be forced to stay at home. Violent crimes like rape are more frequent, and a society of single men with a steadily diminishing mating pool can lead to human trafficking and prostitution. In turn, having a female baby begins to look even less appealing. India is already experiencing all of these problems, especially in northern states with particularly bad sex ratios. According to a report by the Comptroller and Auditor General of India, the female sex ratio has fallen to 896 females per 1,000 males in 2015 to 2017 from 898 in 2014 to 2016. The Wire reported that according to census data, India’s national child gender ratio fell from 945 girls to 1,000 boys in 1991 to 918 in 2011. The states of Haryana, Punjab, Jammu and Kashmir, Rajasthan, Gujarat, Uttarakhand, and Maharashtra all had a ratio even lower than 900 girls per 1,000 boys.... Given the scope of the problem, the battle against sex-selective abortion may seem impossible to win. But there are a few hopeful cases.... In the short term, government administrators like Chauhan and Kumar may be able to solve problems in their own neighborhoods. In the long term, though, the best nationwide solution lies in female education, empowerment, and participation in the workforce. In states like Kerala and the northeast Indian states where women’s education and participation in the workforce is high, sex ratios are far more equal." foreignpolicy.com/2019/08/15/a-generation-of-girls-is-missing-in-india/Sex-selective abortion is the epitome of the patriarchy. Value men over women, get men over women. And all the ills that that entails. |
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Post by ExpatBackHome on Aug 20, 2019 13:58:59 GMT
I was pregnant and gave birth while living in India. Determining the sex before birth was not an option for me (signs posted everywhere in the office). Any ultrasounds to determine the sex are being done illegally.
Also, it's definitely a patriarchal society. Boys will have more education. One reason is that when boys marry, the son and his wife live with his parents and take care of the house. When a daughter marries, she leaves home to live with her husband's family. Girls need a dowry also.
Education of girls, getting rid of the dowries and the social norm of son's and their wife living with his parents all need to be addressed.
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Post by Julie W on Aug 20, 2019 14:35:57 GMT
China is finding out that their one child policy and the resulting sex selection that came as a result of their patriarchal policies didn't work so well and are experiencing the gender imbalance much like India. There's a new documentary out detailing the aftermath. One Child Nation trailer |
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Post by Delta Dawn on Aug 20, 2019 15:12:06 GMT
We had this problem in Canada with a few certain ethnic populations aborting female foetuses so now they are not allowed to tell us the sex of unborn babies.
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Post by psiluvu on Aug 20, 2019 18:10:24 GMT
We had this problem in Canada with a few certain ethnic populations aborting female foetuses so now they are not allowed to tell us the sex of unborn babies. This is absolutely not true. There are four pregnancies in our office 3 of the 4 know the gender they are having and the 4th had to request that it be kept from them as they want the surprise. Two of these are of "advanced maternal age" so they have had several ultrasounds and found out the sex quite early. |
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Post by Delta Dawn on Aug 20, 2019 18:15:49 GMT
They would not tell me nor any of my friends the sexes of our babies. We were mid twenties. Some OBs will tell you after amniocentesis but a regular GP will not tell you.
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Post by papersilly on Aug 20, 2019 18:19:59 GMT
i remember reading an article years ago about all of the chinese girls being adopted and brought to america. for being the "unwanted" children, many of them were growing up in better conditions, receiving higher education, and becoming more successful than their male counterparts in china. it went on to say that there will be generations of chinese women raised in america who will be far better off than the male children the families chose to keep. good for them. im sure similar things are happening to indian girls adopted by americans or other foreigners.
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Post by ExpatBackHome on Aug 20, 2019 19:10:43 GMT
i remember reading an article years ago about all of the chinese girls being adopted and brought to america. for being the "unwanted" children, many of them were growing up in better conditions, receiving higher education, and becoming more successful than their male counterparts in china. it went on to say that there will be generations of chinese women raised in america who will be far better off than the male children the families chose to keep. good for them. im sure similar things are happening to indian girls adopted by americans or other foreigners. India has very strict laws on adopting. From my understanding, it’s extremely difficult for a foreigner to adopt and Indian child. |
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Post by papersilly on Aug 20, 2019 19:18:19 GMT
i remember reading an article years ago about all of the chinese girls being adopted and brought to america. for being the "unwanted" children, many of them were growing up in better conditions, receiving higher education, and becoming more successful than their male counterparts in china. it went on to say that there will be generations of chinese women raised in america who will be far better off than the male children the families chose to keep. good for them. im sure similar things are happening to indian girls adopted by americans or other foreigners. India has very strict laws on adopting. From my understanding, it’s extremely difficult for a foreigner to adopt and Indian child. wow, that's too bad for all of the girls in orphanages. i know the small couple on TLC was able to adopt their daughter from India but i didn't know it was so difficult on the whole. |
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Post by librarylady on Aug 20, 2019 21:32:40 GMT
i remember reading an article years ago about all of the chinese girls being adopted and brought to america. for being the "unwanted" children, many of them were growing up in better conditions, receiving higher education, and becoming more successful than their male counterparts in china. it went on to say that there will be generations of chinese women raised in america who will be far better off than the male children the families chose to keep. good for them. im sure similar things are happening to indian girls adopted by americans or other foreigners. India has very strict laws on adopting. From my understanding, it’s extremely difficult for a foreigner to adopt and Indian child. Sadly, in the Dallas area, and Indian couple adopted a little girl from India. The child had a disability of some kind. The adoptive father murdered her. From the court testimony, I'd say that the mother helped emotionally abuse the child before death. (left alone while everyone went to dinner....no photos of adoptive child, but plenty of natural child).
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Post by jubejubes on Aug 20, 2019 21:45:49 GMT
They would not tell me nor any of my friends the sexes of our babies. We were mid twenties. Some OBs will tell you after amniocentesis but a regular GP will not tell you. How many years ago was this? 20+ years ago? Amniocentesis is a procedure that is only when other options such as ultra sound cannot be used. Using this method for pre-birth sex determination is outdated. The procedure is medically invasive and will only be done to obtain genetic information of the fetus prior to birth. There can be many complications with amniocentesis. Yes, in 1985, the day before my c-section was done, I had an amniocentesis done to determine if the lungs of the baby were healthy enough, for the baby to be delivered. This was the absolute last resort test that was done. |
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Post by brina on Aug 21, 2019 0:13:56 GMT
I was pregnant and gave birth while living in India. Determining the sex before birth was not an option for me (signs posted everywhere in the office). Any ultrasounds to determine the sex are being done illegally. Also, it's definitely a patriarchal society. Boys will have more education. One reason is that when boys marry, the son and his wife live with his parents and take care of the house. When a daughter marries, she leaves home to live with her husband's family. Girls need a dowry also. Education of girls, getting rid of the dowries and the social norm of son's and their wife living with his parents all need to be addressed. While illegal, in Indian, China and other nations with this problem they are able to find ways around it. Often code words are used by the ultrasound tech. "Oh that is a strong looking baby," "here is the baby's pretty, delicate nose." |
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