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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 19:06:47 GMT
trump...
”Great news out of Turkey. News Conference shortly with @vp and @secpompeo. Thank you to @rterdogan. Millions of lives will be saved!”
“This deal could NEVER have been made 3 days ago. There needed to be some “tough” love in order to get it done. Great for everybody. Proud of all!”
”This is a great day for civilization. I am proud of the United States for sticking by me in following a necessary, but somewhat unconventional, path. People have been trying to make this “Deal” for many years. Millions of lives will be saved. Congratulations to ALL!”
To me it looks like Turkey got what they wanted at the expense of the Kurds. And I’m still not understanding how this is a “deal” the US had the authority to negotiate.
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Post by sueg on Oct 17, 2019 19:10:42 GMT
I am sure this is a typo, but it made me laugh (and want to build one a my house!)
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 17, 2019 19:28:58 GMT
Can someone explain to me how you exterminate people in a humane way? What exactly does ‘humane’ ethnic cleansing look like? Do they just tell you it’s a shower & then it’s not? I can’t wrap my brain around this, what on earth is a humane way to do ethnic cleansing? Today he said the Kurds will be safe after the formally safe area is evacuated and returned to Syria and Turkey. No one has addressed where the Kurds are supposed to go within the next 5 days.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 17, 2019 19:52:11 GMT
I don’t know but I’d refuse to go if it was held there. Who know what hidden cameras & microphones Trumps people can hide because it is his property. It’s not like he’s trustworthy or anything. THAT I hadn't thought of .!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 17, 2019 19:55:22 GMT
Can someone please explain this to someone who doesn’t know anything about the stock market? What are Sep e-minis? Off the top of my head I would say someone had inside info and bought stock at a very deflated price before the transaction of the next day. (Martha Stewart went to federal prison for insider trading.)
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Oct 17, 2019 20:14:17 GMT
Mulvaney: Now he's quoting the peas.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 20:16:39 GMT
New York Times Opinion Piece...
“Our Republic Is Under Attack From the President”
“If President Trump doesn’t demonstrate the leadership that America needs, then it is time for a new person in the Oval Office.
Last week I attended two memorable events that reminded me why we care so very much about this nation and also why our future may be in peril.
The first was a change of command ceremony for a storied Army unit in which one general officer passed authority to another. The second event was an annual gala for the Office of Strategic Services (O.S.S.) Society that recognizes past and present members of the intelligence and Special Operations community for their heroism and sacrifice to the nation. What struck me was the stark contrast between the words and deeds heralded at those events — and the words and deeds emanating from the White House.
On the parade field at Fort Bragg, N.C., where tens of thousands of soldiers have marched either preparing to go to war or returning from it, the two generals, highly decorated, impeccably dressed, cleareyed and strong of character, were humbled by the moment.
They understood the awesome responsibility that the nation had placed on their shoulders. They understood that they had an obligation to serve their soldiers and their soldiers’ families. They believed in the American values for which they had been fighting for the past three decades. They had faith that these values were worth sacrificing everything for — including, if necessary, their lives.
Having served with both officers for the past 20 years, the genuineness of their humility, their uncompromising integrity, their willingness to sacrifice all for a worthy cause, and the pride they had in their soldiers, personified all that is good and decent and honorable about the American military.
Later that week, at the O.S.S. Society dinner, there were films and testimonials to the valor of the men and women who had fought in Europe and the Pacific during World War II. We also celebrated the 75th anniversary of D-Day, recognizing those brave Americans and allies who sacrificed so much to fight Nazism and fascism. We were reminded that the Greatest Generation went to war because it believed that we were the good guys — that wherever there was oppression, tyranny or despotism, America would be there. We would be there because freedom mattered. We would be there because the world needed us and if not us, then who?
Also that evening we recognized the incredible sacrifice of a new generation of Americans: an Army Special Forces warrant officer who had been wounded three times, the most recent injury costing him his left leg above the knee. He was still in uniform and still serving. There was an intelligence officer, who embodied the remarkable traits of those men and women who had served in the O.S.S. And a retired Marine general, whose 40 years of service demonstrated all that was honorable about the Corps and public service.
But the most poignant recognition that evening was for a young female sailor who had been killed in Syria serving alongside our allies in the fight against ISIS. Her husband, a former Army Green Beret, accepted the award on her behalf. Like so many that came before her, she had answered the nation’s call and willingly put her life in harm’s way.
For everyone who ever served in uniform, or in the intelligence community, for those diplomats who voice the nation’s principles, for the first responders, for the tellers of truth and the millions of American citizens who were raised believing in American values — you would have seen your reflection in the faces of those we honored last week.
But, beneath the outward sense of hope and duty that I witnessed at these two events, there was an underlying current of frustration, humiliation, anger and fear that echoed across the sidelines. The America that they believed in was under attack, not from without, but from within.
These men and women, of all political persuasions, have seen the assaults on our institutions: on the intelligence and law enforcement community, the State Department and the press. They have seen our leaders stand beside despots and strongmen, preferring their government narrative to our own. They have seen us abandon our allies and have heard the shouts of betrayal from the battlefield. As I stood on the parade field at Fort Bragg, one retired four-star general, grabbed my arm, shook me and shouted, “I don’t like the Democrats, but Trump is destroying the Republic!”
Those words echoed with me throughout the week. It is easy to destroy an organization if you have no appreciation for what makes that organization great. We are not the most powerful nation in the world because of our aircraft carriers, our economy, or our seat at the United Nations Security Council. We are the most powerful nation in the world because we try to be the good guys. We are the most powerful nation in the world because our ideals of universal freedom and equality have been backed up by our belief that we were champions of justice, the protectors of the less fortunate.
But, if we don’t care about our values, if we don’t care about duty and honor, if we don’t help the weak and stand up against oppression and injustice — what will happen to the Kurds, the Iraqis, the Afghans, the Syrians, the Rohingyas, the South Sudanese and the millions of people under the boot of tyranny or left abandoned by their failing states?
If our promises are meaningless, how will our allies ever trust us? If we can’t have faith in our nation’s principles, why would the men and women of this nation join the military? And if they don’t join, who will protect us? If we are not the champions of the good and the right, then who will follow us? And if no one follows us — where will the world end up?
President Trump seems to believe that these qualities are unimportant or show weakness. He is wrong. These are the virtues that have sustained this nation for the past 243 years. If we hope to continue to lead the world and inspire a new generation of young men and women to our cause, then we must embrace these values now more than ever.
And if this president doesn’t understand their importance, if this president doesn’t demonstrate the leadership that America needs, both domestically and abroad, then it is time for a new person in the Oval Office — Republican, Democrat or independent — the sooner, the better. The fate of our Republic depends upon it.
William H. McRaven, a retired Navy admiral, is a former commander of the United States Special Operations Command and former chancellor of The University of Texas system.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 17, 2019 20:24:13 GMT
New York Times Opinion Piece... “Our Republic Is Under Attack From the President”“If President Trump doesn’t demonstrate the leadership that America needs, then it is time for a new person in the Oval Office. Last week I attended two memorable events that reminded me why we care so very much about this nation and also why our future may be in peril. The first was a change of command ceremony for a storied Army unit in which one general officer passed authority to another. The second event was an annual gala for the Office of Strategic Services (O.S.S.) Society that recognizes past and present members of the intelligence and Special Operations community for their heroism and sacrifice to the nation. What struck me was the stark contrast between the words and deeds heralded at those events — and the words and deeds emanating from the White House. On the parade field at Fort Bragg, N.C., where tens of thousands of soldiers have marched either preparing to go to war or returning from it, the two generals, highly decorated, impeccably dressed, cleareyed and strong of character, were humbled by the moment. They understood the awesome responsibility that the nation had placed on their shoulders. They understood that they had an obligation to serve their soldiers and their soldiers’ families. They believed in the American values for which they had been fighting for the past three decades. They had faith that these values were worth sacrificing everything for — including, if necessary, their lives. Having served with both officers for the past 20 years, the genuineness of their humility, their uncompromising integrity, their willingness to sacrifice all for a worthy cause, and the pride they had in their soldiers, personified all that is good and decent and honorable about the American military. Later that week, at the O.S.S. Society dinner, there were films and testimonials to the valor of the men and women who had fought in Europe and the Pacific during World War II. We also celebrated the 75th anniversary of D-Day, recognizing those brave Americans and allies who sacrificed so much to fight Nazism and fascism. We were reminded that the Greatest Generation went to war because it believed that we were the good guys — that wherever there was oppression, tyranny or despotism, America would be there. We would be there because freedom mattered. We would be there because the world needed us and if not us, then who? Also that evening we recognized the incredible sacrifice of a new generation of Americans: an Army Special Forces warrant officer who had been wounded three times, the most recent injury costing him his left leg above the knee. He was still in uniform and still serving. There was an intelligence officer, who embodied the remarkable traits of those men and women who had served in the O.S.S. And a retired Marine general, whose 40 years of service demonstrated all that was honorable about the Corps and public service. But the most poignant recognition that evening was for a young female sailor who had been killed in Syria serving alongside our allies in the fight against ISIS. Her husband, a former Army Green Beret, accepted the award on her behalf. Like so many that came before her, she had answered the nation’s call and willingly put her life in harm’s way. For everyone who ever served in uniform, or in the intelligence community, for those diplomats who voice the nation’s principles, for the first responders, for the tellers of truth and the millions of American citizens who were raised believing in American values — you would have seen your reflection in the faces of those we honored last week. But, beneath the outward sense of hope and duty that I witnessed at these two events, there was an underlying current of frustration, humiliation, anger and fear that echoed across the sidelines. The America that they believed in was under attack, not from without, but from within. These men and women, of all political persuasions, have seen the assaults on our institutions: on the intelligence and law enforcement community, the State Department and the press. They have seen our leaders stand beside despots and strongmen, preferring their government narrative to our own. They have seen us abandon our allies and have heard the shouts of betrayal from the battlefield. As I stood on the parade field at Fort Bragg, one retired four-star general, grabbed my arm, shook me and shouted, “I don’t like the Democrats, but Trump is destroying the Republic!” Those words echoed with me throughout the week. It is easy to destroy an organization if you have no appreciation for what makes that organization great. We are not the most powerful nation in the world because of our aircraft carriers, our economy, or our seat at the United Nations Security Council. We are the most powerful nation in the world because we try to be the good guys. We are the most powerful nation in the world because our ideals of universal freedom and equality have been backed up by our belief that we were champions of justice, the protectors of the less fortunate. But, if we don’t care about our values, if we don’t care about duty and honor, if we don’t help the weak and stand up against oppression and injustice — what will happen to the Kurds, the Iraqis, the Afghans, the Syrians, the Rohingyas, the South Sudanese and the millions of people under the boot of tyranny or left abandoned by their failing states? If our promises are meaningless, how will our allies ever trust us? If we can’t have faith in our nation’s principles, why would the men and women of this nation join the military? And if they don’t join, who will protect us? If we are not the champions of the good and the right, then who will follow us? And if no one follows us — where will the world end up?
President Trump seems to believe that these qualities are unimportant or show weakness. He is wrong. These are the virtues that have sustained this nation for the past 243 years. If we hope to continue to lead the world and inspire a new generation of young men and women to our cause, then we must embrace these values now more than ever.And if this president doesn’t understand their importance, if this president doesn’t demonstrate the leadership that America needs, both domestically and abroad, then it is time for a new person in the Oval Office — Republican, Democrat or independent — the sooner, the better. The fate of our Republic depends upon it.William H. McRaven, a retired Navy admiral, is a former commander of the United States Special Operations Command and former chancellor of The University of Texas system.The idiot in the White House simply can not comprehend any of this. I knew that, it’s not a new part of his personality. What surprised & saddened me over the last 3 years has been how many of my fellow citizens simply can not comprehend that. Baffling to me really.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 21:49:35 GMT
I hope Congress is looking into using well-timed temper-tantrum-tweets to sway the markets and fraudently/illegally profit. Can someone please explain this to someone who doesn’t know anything about the stock market? What are Sep e-minis? Here you go, from the VF piece: "In the last 10 minutes of trading at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange on Friday, September 13, someone got very lucky. That’s when he or she, or a group of people, sold short 120,000 “S&P e-minis”— electronically traded futures contracts linked to the Standard & Poor’s 500 stock index—when the index was trading around 3010. The time was 3:50 p.m. in New York; it was nearing midnight in Tehran. A few hours later, drones attacked a large swath of Saudi Arabia’s oil infrastructure, choking off production in the country and sending oil prices soaring. By the time the CME next opened, for pretrading on Sunday night, the S&P index had fallen 30 points, giving that very fortunate trader, or traders, a quick $180 million profit. It was not an isolated occurrence. Three days earlier, in the last 10 minutes of trading, someone bought 82,000 S&P e-minis when the index was trading at 2969. That was nearly 4 a.m. on September 11 in Beijing, where a few hours later, the Chinese government announced that it would lift tariffs on a range of American-made products. As has been the typical reaction in the U.S. stock markets as the trade war with China chugs on without any perceptible logic, when the news about a potential resolution of it seems positive, stock markets go up, and when the news about the trade war appears negative, they go down. The news was viewed positively. The S&P index moved swiftly on September 11 to 2996, up nearly 30 points. That same day, President Donald Trump said he would postpone tariffs on some Chinese goods, and the S&P index moved to 3016, or up 47 points since the fortunate person bought the 82,000 e-minis just before the market closed on September 10. Since a one-point movement, up or down, in an e-mini contract is worth $50, a 47-point movement up in a day was worth $2,350 per contract. If you were the lucky one who bought the 82,000 e-mini contracts, well, then you were sitting on a one-day profit of roughly $190 million. A week earlier, three minutes before the CME closed on September 3, someone bought 55,000 e-mini contracts, with the index at about 2906. At around 9 p.m. in New York—9 a.m. in Hong Kong—the market started moving and kept rallying for the next six hours or so, reaching 2936. Around 2 p.m. in Hong Kong—2 a.m. in New York—Carrie Lam, the Hong Kong leader, announced that she would be withdrawing the controversial extradition bill that had been roiling the city in protest for months. Whoever bought those e-mini contracts a few hours earlier made a killing: a cool $82.5 million profit.But these wins were peanuts compared to the money made by a trader, or group of traders, who bought 420,000 September e-minis in the last 30 minutes of trading on June 28. That was some 40% of the day’s trading volume in September e-minis—making it a trade that could not easily be ignored. By then, President Trump was already in Osaka, Japan—14 hours ahead of Chicago—and on his way to a roughly hour-long meeting with China’s President Xi Jinping as part of the G20 summit. On Saturday in Osaka, after the market had closed in Chicago, Trump emerged from his meeting with Xi and announced that the intermittent trade talks were “back on track.” The following week was a good one in the stock market, thanks to the Trump announcement. On Thursday, June 27, the S&P 500 index stood at about 2915; a week or so later, it was just below 3000, a gain of 84 points, or $4,200 per e-mini contract. Whoever bought the 420,000 e-minis on June 28 had made a handsome profit of nearly $1.8 billion." Buying or shorting contracts and then using tweets (depending on if you're long or short) to manipulate the market. Sounds about Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 21:51:32 GMT
This level of hypocrisy should render the hypocrite mute.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 17, 2019 22:02:49 GMT
@zingermack, thanks for posting the info from the piece about the trading issues. I sure hope someone looks into it, and figures out who it is-- if Trump and friends are manipulating the markets and giving info to someone else to do the trading (and it sure SOUNDS suspicious-- in the last 10 MINUTES of trading?!?) then they should be FOUND OUT and PUNISHED to the fullest extent of the law.
But considering what's been found out in the last couple weeks? My cynicism says NOTHING will happen to whoever it is.
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 17, 2019 23:03:10 GMT
On a very positive note, I have found a new love this presidency. Randy Rainbow. He makes all of the things that drive me crazy more tolerable. Rudy is one of those things. www.youtube.com/watch?v=upBCQo5bkJc
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Post by casii on Oct 18, 2019 0:58:07 GMT
I feel compelled to drop this here. Fuck trump, Fuck the GOP and Fuck his supporters.
If anyone wants to help, preemptive love coalition is trying to bring as many to safety as they can. It's bad for the Kurds.
Again, Fuck trump.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 18, 2019 1:15:10 GMT
On a very positive note, I have found a new love this presidency. Randy Rainbow. He makes all of the things that drive me crazy more tolerable. Rudy is one of those things. www.youtube.com/watch?v=upBCQo5bkJcI just introduced my very non-tech sister to Randy Rainbow. She is hooked.
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Post by Merge on Oct 18, 2019 1:44:11 GMT
Meanwhile, at the rally in Texas -
I’m sure all the people in my area for whom Harvey was their third catastrophic flood in three years will be glad to know that they ‘made a fortune’ in the process.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 1:55:19 GMT
NBC News...
“I’m not just an overrated general. I’m the most overrated general," Mattis says. "I'm honored to be considered that by Donald Trump because he also called Meryl Streep an overrated actress. So I guess I'm the Meryl Streep of generals, and frankly that sounds pretty good to me."
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Post by Just T on Oct 18, 2019 2:02:04 GMT
I know this is a comment on a WAY back post...but I cannot stand to hear Trump say "My generals." I want to scream every time he says that. They are NOT Trump's generals. UGH.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 18, 2019 2:04:29 GMT
NBC News... “I’m not just an overrated general. I’m the most overrated general," Mattis says. "I'm honored to be considered that by Donald Trump because he also called Meryl Streep an overrated actress. So I guess I'm the Meryl Streep of generals, and frankly that sounds pretty good to me." Now that he has found his voice may he never stop!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 18, 2019 2:05:34 GMT
I know this is a comment on a WAY back post...but I cannot stand to hear Trump say "My generals." I want to scream every time he says that. They are NOT Trump's generals. UGH. Agreed, but they are no more! They are gone from him! See my other response above!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 2:26:00 GMT
I feel compelled to drop this here. Fuck trump, Fuck the GOP and Fuck his supporters. If anyone wants to help, preemptive love coalition is trying to bring as many to safety as they can. It's bad for the Kurds. Again, Fuck trump.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 2:33:03 GMT
www.speaker.gov/newsroom/101719-2"Washington, D.C. – Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer issued this statement after the President reversed his decision to impose sanctions against Turkish government officials: “President Trump is flailing. The President’s decision to reverse sanctions against Turkey for brutally attacking our Kurdish partners in exchange for a sham ceasefire seriously undermines the credibility of America’s foreign policy and sends a dangerous message to our allies and adversaries alike that our word cannot be trusted. “ President Erdogan has given up nothing, and President Trump has given him everything. The Turks have stated that ‘this is not a ceasefire,’ and made clear that they ‘will pause the operation for 120 hours in order for the terrorists to leave’ – referring to the courageous Kurdish fighters who have suffered nearly 11,000 casualties in our fight to defeat ISIS. This agreement also does nothing to stop thousands of ISIS prisoners from escaping, and shows the President’s complete lack of strategy to defeat ISIS. To say that Turkey and Syria will guard the prisoners is outrageous and puts our homeland security at risk. ISIS is still a threat, certainly now more than before President Trump gave Erdogan the green light to invade Syria. “President Trump unleashed a further escalation of chaos and insecurity in Syria that has left dozens of innocent civilians dead, displaced hundreds of thousands more and invited the resurgence of ISIS. The only beneficiaries of the President’s policies are our adversaries: ISIS, Bashar al-Assad, Vladimir Putin and Iran. Today’s decision further makes the argument that President Trump doesn’t see Putin as the danger he is to our country. “Yesterday’s overwhelming bipartisan 354-60 vote in the House to oppose the President’s decision and demand a clear ISIS strategy yesterday was an important step, and the Senate should do the same immediately. Next week, the House will pass a strong, bipartisan sanctions package to work to reverse the humanitarian disaster that President Trump unleashed in Syria. Our servicemembers, our allies and our partners all suffering from the Syrian conflict deserve smart, strong and sane leadership from Washington.”"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 2:51:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 2:53:33 GMT
It's starting:
NYT: Our Republic Is Under Attack From the President
WAPO: Trump has lost Syria — and his mind
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 2:54:33 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 18, 2019 3:11:07 GMT
Get over it He says! Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff, told reporters that the Trump administration "held up the money" for Ukraine because the President wanted to investigate "corruption" in Ukraine related to a conspiracy theory involving the whereabouts of the Democratic National Committee's computer server hacked by Russians during the last presidential campaign. When pressed on whether the President sought an exchange of favors, Mulvaney said, "We do that all the time with foreign policy." It was the first time the White House acknowledged a link between the withheld aid and probes that Trump sought.
Some Republicans were deeply concerned by Mulvaney's comments.
"You don't hold up foreign aid that we had previously appropriated for a political initiative," said GOP Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska. "Period."Republican Rep. Francis Rooney of Florida called Mulvaney's acknowledgment about withholding Ukraine aid "troubling," saying it is "not a good thing" to do that in connection "with threatening foreign leaders." Rooney would not rule out the prospects of supporting impeaching the President."I'm not going to say anything about that until all the facts are in," he said. "I remember too many people saying, 'Oh, this is a witch hunt against Richard Nixon,' and come to find out it wasn't a witch hunt."** More at link and video too: www.cnn.com/2019/10/17/politics/republicans-mick-mulvaney-reaction/index.html
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 3:46:21 GMT
cal·lous adjective showing or having an insensitive and cruel disregard for others.
MSNBC...
”WATCH: President Trump on Turkey attacking the Kurds: "Sometimes you have to let them fight, like two kids in a lot. You have to let them fight, and then you pull them apart!"
As someone pointed out, that “lot” includes innocent women and children.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 4:00:52 GMT
Yamiche Alcindor...
”Mick Mulvaney said Camp David, the site of a past G7 in the U.S., was "hated" by many people.
Mulvaney claims again of Trump: "He is not making any money off of this...He doesn't need much help promoting his brand."
But Doral will get lots of publicity from the G7.”
Oh no! Those fictitious “many people” are back!
Alyssa “Merry Prankster “ Mastromonaco - Former Obama Deputy Chief of Staff.
“You know who didn’t hate Camp David? THE WORLD LEADERS WE HOSTED. Give me a fucking break.”
She posted a picture and they looked like they were genuinely having a good time watching something I guess on TV. Well maybe the guy sitting in the front was having just an ok time.
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Oct 18, 2019 4:19:06 GMT
I would hope every world leader invited to G7 would cancel and reschedule for 2021 when sanity will have returned.
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